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Possibility of Bio-Terrorism in Swine Flu Outbreak
April 25, 2007 | freedomfighter1013

Posted on 04/25/2009 5:51:39 AM PDT by FreedomFighter1013

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To: Sherman Logan

“If we get slammed with a major flu pandemic, things will get nasty quickly.”

Not all that long ago, we were seeing a lot of PSAs being run regarding a flu pandemic. They were produced in such a manner that they were scary to kids and the adults were wondering why the need for such drama as opposed to just stating facts in a non-dramatic way. Did anyone else see them? I haven’t seen them run lately but then again, I’ve been staying away from the television.


101 posted on 04/25/2009 7:51:59 AM PDT by JavaJumpy
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To: FreedomFighter1013

It could be another Baptism - of TERRORISM.....!


102 posted on 04/25/2009 7:52:19 AM PDT by 2harddrive (...House a TOTAL Loss.....)
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To: FreedomFighter1013

Ping for later


103 posted on 04/25/2009 7:52:35 AM PDT by JesusBmyGod (Baruch HaBa B'Shem Adonai)
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To: romanesq

I didn’t care for the movie much either, but Brad Pitt cracked me up doing his nut case schtick.


104 posted on 04/25/2009 7:55:19 AM PDT by 3catsanadog (I plan to give the new President the same respect and dignity the other side gave Bush.)
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To: 3catsanadog

You are probably right, and the vaccine given to them would just be wasted, in the process diverted from someone it might actually help.

Vaccines merely activate the immune system. HIV/AIDS people essentially have no immune system to activate.


105 posted on 04/25/2009 7:59:12 AM PDT by Sherman Logan (Everyone has a right to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.)
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To: SolidWood

Paraphrasing from one of the many articles about concerns of security at bio-labs throughout the world

It is worrying that WHO & CDC cannot account for whereabouts of live virus samples within and outside the US. Chances of virus ending up in hands of terrorists or just simply incompetants is troubling.


106 posted on 04/25/2009 8:00:04 AM PDT by Cold Heart
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To: Sherman Logan

So, what are you saying, we shouldn’t be concerned? At all? I’m not saying panic, just saying it might be man-made. This virus has mutated in a very deadly way at least twice before, 1918 and 1976.


107 posted on 04/25/2009 8:02:38 AM PDT by FreedomFighter1013 (Obama is Weakening America for Partisan Gain: Change, Big-Time)
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Bump to myself


108 posted on 04/25/2009 8:02:42 AM PDT by Judith Anne
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To: battletank

I read in another related article somewhere that some of those NY school kids were in Mexico for Spring Break.

_______________________

There were warnings everywhere not to go to Mexico. Maybe if the media had done their job instead of fawning over Obama for (pick a reason), those warnings might have been better received.


109 posted on 04/25/2009 8:07:40 AM PDT by JavaJumpy
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To: truthandlife

Here’s some proof:

On antigenic drift, from Wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antigenic_drift

“As in all RNA viruses, mutations in influenza occur frequently because the virus’ RNA polymerase has no proofreading mechanism, providing a strong source of mutations. Mutations in the surface proteins allow the virus to elude some host immunity, and the numbers and locations of these mutations that confer the greatest amount of immune escape has been an important topic of study for over a decade[3][4][5].

Antigenic drift has been responsible for heavier-than-normal flu seasons in the past, like the outbreak of influenza H3N2 variant A/Fujian/411/2002 in the 2003 - 2004 flu season. All influenza viruses experience some form of antigenic drift, but it is most pronounced in the influenza A virus.

Antigenic drift should not be confused with antigenic shift, which refers to reassorment of the virus’ gene segments. As well, it is different from random genetic drift which is a very different but important process in population genetics.”

“In the influenza virus, the two relevant genes are the surface proteins, hemagglutinin and neuraminidase. The hemagglutinin is responsible for entry into host epithelial cells while the neuraminidase is involved in the process of new virions budding out of host cells. The host immune response to viral infection is largely determined by the immune system’s recognition of these influenza antigens. Vaccine mismatch is a potentially serious problem. Antigenic Drift is the continuous process of genetic and antigenic change among flu strains.?


110 posted on 04/25/2009 8:08:28 AM PDT by FreedomFighter1013 (Obama is Weakening America for Partisan Gain: Change, Big-Time)
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To: Truth29

F*ck the bozos!

111 posted on 04/25/2009 8:08:30 AM PDT by rintense (Go Israel!)
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To: Tamatoa

You are right; he earned a PHD in Biology in the early 1980’s and constantly talked about the subject yesterday on his show. Says that the BORDERS should have been closed immediately.


112 posted on 04/25/2009 8:12:02 AM PDT by spiderfern
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To: wtc911
WHO and CDC know more than they are saying.

I don't recall such urgent statements about crossover viruses in the past.

113 posted on 04/25/2009 8:14:53 AM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (What did Obama's Teleprompter know, and when did it know it...)
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To: FreedomFighter1013

Of course we should be concerned. I was merely pointing out that a random mutation does not have a 50% chance of making the disease more deadly to humans. I don’t know what the numbers are, but the chance is a great deal lower than that. The reason pandemics are rare is that only an occasional mutation is able to easily infect people.

Flu is a poor choice for a bio-weapon, since it mutates so readily. You could come up with a highly efficient killer and it promptly mutates to relative harmlessness when released.

An efficient bio-weapon would lock in the deadly characteristics. There are a great many other organisms that are more likely as a basis for such a weapon.


114 posted on 04/25/2009 8:16:45 AM PDT by Sherman Logan (Everyone has a right to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.)
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To: FreedomFighter1013
Update: doctor friend also says that what is also unusual is that this type/combination virus is the based on the same strain as in the 1918 Spanish flu virus (H1N1) outbreak (extremely deadly, 25 million dead in 25 weeks; total dead 50-100 million dead; 2.5%-5% of the world population). This makes the virus extremely deadly. The likelihood that this combination with the most deadly strain would happen naturally is very, very low.

Holy crap!

115 posted on 04/25/2009 8:16:46 AM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (What did Obama's Teleprompter know, and when did it know it...)
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To: DogBarkTree; All

“Interesting perspective but it looks like there is only a 2% mortality rate so far. I would think a bio terrorist bug would kill more people. Unless of course this is just a test run.”

Even if it isn’t an attack or a test run for an attack — terrorists have been given yet another bright idea for attacking us...and for doing so in a way that doesn’t require passports or going through U.S. background checks.


116 posted on 04/25/2009 8:17:05 AM PDT by quesney
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To: FreedomFighter1013
1. Impeach Obama, Biden, and on down the line until we get to Sarah Palin as President.

2. Seal the Mexican border.

3. Nuke Beijing and Tehran.

4. Waterboard Immelt and a few of the other "free traitors"; follow up with Predator strikes on Soros and a couple of others.

5. Cancel the H1-B and L1 visa programs.

6. Stealth bomber strikes on the U.N. building.

7. Ann Coulter, Mark Levin, Robert Bork on the Supreme Court.

8. Rush Limbaugh as the Presidential Press Secretary.

9. Lock Jack Kevorkian and Ted Kennedy in a room together. Sell the video feed on pay-per-view.

10. Repeal the 13th Amendment.

11. Vote Massachusetts, Vermont, and the San Franciso-to-Seattle portion of the Northwest out of the Union: cede them to Canada.

12. Abolish Roe v. Wade by Executive Order.

/sarc>

(Hey, if the left can take advantage of a crisis, so can we!)

117 posted on 04/25/2009 8:17:35 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: homegroan

I had scarlet fever as a child as well. Nasty stuff, isn’t it? I remember hallucinating for days and people’s voices sounded like that teacher on Charlie Brown..’Wha..wha wha’.


118 posted on 04/25/2009 8:20:07 AM PDT by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: RoseofTexas

Well, it’s probably border AND boarder.


119 posted on 04/25/2009 8:20:17 AM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (What did Obama's Teleprompter know, and when did it know it...)
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To: HospiceNurse; FreedomFighter1013
Mutation is neutral, that means that 50% will be more deadly and 50% less deadly, but at a mutation rate of 1.5/10,000 per per nucleotide per infectious cycle, 50% of these mutation will be more deadly. And, since this virus has already mutated to become extremely deadly (i.e., 1918), the possibility of this super, possibly human-engineered, 4-virus combination (strain) to become extremely deadly again is greater than 0. How much greater, we don’t know with current information.

No offense intended but I doubt your assumption regarding mutation is quite all that simple (and I’d like to see a source for it). And it’s way too early to know that this flu is “extremely deadly (i.e., 1918)” or that it is “human-engineered”.

First of all flu viruses mutate all the time without any human engineering. That’s why a new flu shot is developed each year for the strain predicted to be the predominate one.

And the mutations mean, if that mutation results in human to human transmission, that a human host may be more vulnerable to catching the flu but does not necessarily equate with the deadliness of that strain over previous ones. It that was the case we’d be extinct as a species by now.

And the avian and swine to human disease vectors are nothing new. That one could make an avian to swine to human vector is not all that surprising.

Secondly, engineering a deadly flu is not as easy as it sounds. And there are more effective biological warfare diseases than the flu.

With all that said, this certainly bares watching. I am concerned that this strain seems so far to infect the younger and healthier like the 1918 strain and is breaking during a time of year not the typical flu season. But what is unknown at this time is if all the reported deaths in Mexico are from this flu strain, or if the deaths were from secondary infections and or as a result of poor or non-existent medical care as so far the few confirmed cases in the US have not resulted in any deaths.

Until more is known, I’m keeping my tinfoil handy but only for wrapping leftovers.
120 posted on 04/25/2009 8:20:46 AM PDT by Caramelgal (When the past no longer illuminates the future, the spirit walks in darkness.)
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To: Sherman Logan
It just means that Japan must have sourced the antiviral in question from Red China.

/sarc>??

Cheers!

121 posted on 04/25/2009 8:21:31 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: kittymyrib

no, she will say it is Canada.


122 posted on 04/25/2009 8:22:09 AM PDT by dila813
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To: SE Mom
I have a feeling fears of a pandemic are being greatly exaggerated to get our attention off the egregious activity being done to us by our Leftist Government and nationalized financial institutions that are hell bent on robbing us of our Liberties and our money. May 1st the Communist holiday will have the streets full of illegal’s protesting for instant citizenship and communism for the USA, the country they are attempting to steal. That should be our single focus. May 1st protest demands
"We want full amnesty, full legalization for anybody who is here (illegally)," Rodriguez said. "That is the message that is going to be played out across the country on May 1."

Only one problem many of these protesters could be infected with the Swine flu and it will spread like wildfire among them!

123 posted on 04/25/2009 8:25:35 AM PDT by BellStar (Buy Gold/lead and head for the hills please God give us another chance!)
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To: verity

“Have you placed a call to Jack Bauer yet?”

Don’t you know Jack is sick????


124 posted on 04/25/2009 8:25:56 AM PDT by M0sby (T)
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To: YellowRoseofTx
They reported this morning, not this, but they have NO plan to close the border.

They're far too busy investigating religious, gun loving, constitution abiding, America loving, right wing extremists (i.e. the majority of the population).

125 posted on 04/25/2009 8:27:08 AM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (What did Obama's Teleprompter know, and when did it know it...)
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To: FreedomFighter1013

Sounds like a previous season of “24.”


126 posted on 04/25/2009 8:27:14 AM PDT by rabidralph
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To: Sherman Logan

But, because influenza is airborne it spreads more efficiently, i.e., it is highly contagious. Also, the terrorists (man-made disaster agents) could vaccinate their people before hand. Just thinking....


127 posted on 04/25/2009 8:27:58 AM PDT by FreedomFighter1013 (Obama is Weakening America for Partisan Gain: Change, Big-Time)
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To: FreedomFighter1013

Hey, Messyco, do you still think terrorists are only a threat to the gringos, hmmm?


128 posted on 04/25/2009 8:28:18 AM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: TornadoAlley3
Tamiflu was prescribed for our sons a couple of months ago when they had the flu. One of the side effects is possible psychotropic reactions. We didn't give it to them for that reason.

People with the flu, particularly children and adolescents, may be at an increased risk of self injury and confusion shortly after taking TAMIFLU and should be closely monitored for signs of unusual behavior. A healthcare professional should be contacted immediately if the patient taking TAMIFLU shows any signs of unusual behavior. The most common side effects are mild to moderate nausea and vomiting. From the manufacturer's site....

129 posted on 04/25/2009 8:30:34 AM PDT by raybbr (It's going to get a lot worse now that the anchor babies are voting!)
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To: HospiceNurse

I think you are thinking about Theraflu.

Theraflu is just a bunch of OTC drugs that mask sysmptoms. Tamiflu is an anti-viral.


130 posted on 04/25/2009 8:31:54 AM PDT by Drill Thrawl (Taxation with representation ain't so hot either.)
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To: RaceBannon
I just had that conversation with a friend 5 minutes ago about our next terrorist attack. It will be blamed on us, not the Muslims The MSM and educational system have had eight years to brainwash the population that 9-11 and other such punishments were (or will be) visited upon us because of our past and continuing oppressive hegemonic racist behavior.
131 posted on 04/25/2009 8:33:53 AM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (What did Obama's Teleprompter know, and when did it know it...)
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To: RaceBannon
I just had that conversation with a friend 5 minutes ago about our next terrorist attack. It will be blamed on us, not the Muslims The Democrats, MSM, and educational system have had eight years to brainwash the population that 9-11 and other such punishments were (or will be) visited upon us because of our past and continuing oppressive hegemonic racist behavior.
132 posted on 04/25/2009 8:34:29 AM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (What did Obama's Teleprompter know, and when did it know it...)
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To: HospiceNurse

But if you are a big pharmaceutical company with huge stores of tamiflu you need to get rid of and make some profit, why, how convenient


133 posted on 04/25/2009 8:38:30 AM PDT by 1000 silverlings (Everything that deceives also enchants: Plato)
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To: 1000 silverlings

M.O.O.N. that spells SCARY.


134 posted on 04/25/2009 8:39:47 AM PDT by desertsolitaire (M.O.O.N. that spells SCARY.)
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To: FreedomFighter1013

FYI, I have a friend who has a doctorate in biochemistry. She was fairly high up in the team that sequenced the human genome.

She says that bioweapons are several orders of magnitude lower than nukes in the resources required to develop them, both as far as physical plant and finances. The primary resource is intellectual, not physical.

Give her $10M, 10000 SF of working space, a few competent assistants and she could develop an efficient bio-weapon in a few months. The scary part is that the “cost of entry” is going down all the time.


135 posted on 04/25/2009 8:40:47 AM PDT by Sherman Logan (Everyone has a right to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.)
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To: M0sby
"Don’t you know Jack is sick????"

We are so screwed.;-)

136 posted on 04/25/2009 8:42:16 AM PDT by verity ("Lord, what fools we mortals be!")
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To: FreedomFighter1013

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qJQCJp4ehc


137 posted on 04/25/2009 8:45:49 AM PDT by Raebie (~Never go down with a loaded gun~)
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To: FreedomFighter1013

This has gotta be 0bama’s fault . . .


138 posted on 04/25/2009 8:46:52 AM PDT by Petruchio (Democrats are like Slinkies... Not good for anything, but it's fun pushing 'em down the stairs.)
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To: desertsolitaire

google Baxter shipped live virus to 18 countries


139 posted on 04/25/2009 8:50:40 AM PDT by 1000 silverlings (Everything that deceives also enchants: Plato)
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To: desertsolitaire
the stand
140 posted on 04/25/2009 8:54:38 AM PDT by ladyvet (WOLVERINES!!!!!)
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To: Tucker822

Interesting, huh?

Plus - is anyone asking where the heck are our so-called leaders? Why no statements? I sure to miss having a president who would at least give a reassuring word.

Has anyone wondered why CDC nor WHO doesn’t seem to have a plan? Oh, one reason is that they were expecting this to come out of Asia so they expected to have 3 months headstart. Also WHO, is like the UN. Lots of talk, little substance. Margaret Chan (director-general, WHO): “It has pandemic potential. It is infecting people.” DUH

Bottom line - if a pandemic or any other disaster ever does come to this country we are on our own. Government does not have stocked up all that we will need (not for each person) At the very least folks need 30 days food, water, medicine. 3 months is better because that is the length of one pandemic wave. And you won’t want to be out in public during a bad pandemic. Just my .02.


141 posted on 04/25/2009 8:55:17 AM PDT by justsaynomore
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To: IndianPrincessOK

ping


142 posted on 04/25/2009 8:55:24 AM PDT by sarasota
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To: EQAndyBuzz
Ever hear the term, “When Pigs Fly”?

Pig "flew"

143 posted on 04/25/2009 8:59:06 AM PDT by muggs (If Obama is the answer, it must have been a stupid question)
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To: silverleaf
"unless there is a plausible reason for it to appear in 4 different parts in Mexico among people with no known risk factors for exposure to combined livestock, and that it kills adults in prime age (such as military men)"

I love a good conspiracy theory, but viruses routinely combine genes. One farm with both poultry and pigs (and Mexico is stuffed with them, as is China) is the only petri dish needed. Human-to-human transmission will take it from there.

Viruses such as SARS and many flus also routinely take down people in their prime. They are basically killed by their own immune system.

Stay healthy, folks, but let's not bark at shadows. This does not seem to be a bioengineered bug quite yet.
144 posted on 04/25/2009 8:59:06 AM PDT by RightOnTheLeftCoast (1st call: Abbas. 1st interview: Al Arabiya. 1st energy decision: halt drilling in UT. Arabs 1st!)
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To: FreedomFighter1013

“People treated for bird flu hop on one foot and jump off balconies”.


That’s nothing compared to what I did when I was vaccinated against Swine Flu....


145 posted on 04/25/2009 9:00:16 AM PDT by perchprism
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To: justsaynomore

He’ll start the panic during his ‘Sweeps Week Address’.


146 posted on 04/25/2009 9:00:57 AM PDT by Raebie (~Never go down with a loaded gun~)
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To: Caramelgal
this strain seems so far to infect the younger and healthier

Why do you think this is? Perhaps it's striking the working ages who tend to be out in public areas and have more person to person contact. I suspect we'll start seeing it move into the elderly and children before too long.

147 posted on 04/25/2009 9:01:41 AM PDT by bgill (The evidence simply does not support the official position of the Obama administration)
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To: FreedomFighter1013

I certainly hope the Pentagon is weighing its options, even if Hussein isn’t. If the US is under some kind of massive attack designed to kill off large segments of our population, we must respond in kind, I don’t care what the democrats are prattling on about.


148 posted on 04/25/2009 9:03:32 AM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: Graymatter

My theory is people contract a lot more “deadly” disease than they’ll ever know. It’s just that they have the proper genetic makeup to survive it. We only hear encephalitis deaths. It probably strikes a large portion of the population but most survive. I was probably close to death in college one time when I got something and was deathly ill for a month. Like you say, eventually it wrapped up and I went on with my life.


149 posted on 04/25/2009 9:04:30 AM PDT by kinghorse (I'm not saying. I'm just saying.)
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To: JavaJumpy

My doctors office has a poster in every examining room I have been in regarding a pandemic and what people should do, in advance, to prepare.


150 posted on 04/25/2009 9:04:53 AM PDT by muggs (If Obama is the answer, it must have been a stupid question)
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