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In the Beginning Was Information: The Quality and Usefulness of Information (Ch 9)
AiG ^ | April 23, 2009 | Dr. Werner Gitt

Posted on 04/25/2009 9:32:56 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts

Chapter 9: The Quality and Usefulness of Information

Shannon’s information theory can be regarded as an extension of probability theory. He takes the bit as the unit of measurement of information, and a book with 200 pages then contains twice as much information as one with 100 pages if the pages contain the same number of letters. Meaning is completely ignored. Wolfgang Feitscher gave a striking description of this situation: “When considering semantic information, we are like a chemist who can weigh substances, but cannot analyze them.” In this sense, Shannon solved the problem of weighing information, but the analysis question is still untouched. To rise above Shannon’s theory, it is necessary to define measures for semantic information which must be generally valid. We will now discuss some aspects which may pave the way for solving this difficult problem...

(Excerpt) Read more at answersingenesis.org ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: catholic; christian; corruption; creation; evolution; homeschool; homeschooler; homeschooling; intelligentdesign; moralabsolutes; science
For those who missed Chapters 1-8 of this absolutely fascinating series see:

Chapter 1: Preliminary Remarks about the Concept of Information

Chapter 2: Principles of Laws of Nature

Chapter 3: Information Is a Fundamental Entity

Chapter 4: The Five Levels of the Information Concept

Chapter 5: Delineation of the Information Concept

Chapter 6: Information in Living Organisms

Chapter 7: The Three Forms in which Information Appears

Chapter 8: Three Kinds of Transmitted Information

(Stay tuned for Chapter 10)

1 posted on 04/25/2009 9:32:56 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: Finny; vladimir998; Coyoteman; allmendream; LeGrande; GunRunner; cacoethes_resipisco; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 04/25/2009 9:33:55 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

Thanks for the ping!


3 posted on 04/25/2009 9:35:20 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: GodGunsGuts
"In the Biginning Was Information: The Quality and Usefulness of Information (Ch 9)"

I guess since Channel 9 is WGN in Chicago, the "Biginning" was the ninth in the Cubs versus Sox game last summer when the bases were loaded.....
4 posted on 04/25/2009 9:38:47 AM PDT by shibumi (" ..... then we will fight in the shade.")
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but, but, that’s impossible, information that guides the processes of the most ‘primitive’ cell and that contains tons of sophisticated info....why, it all came by random time chance and mutation...

</sarcasm>


5 posted on 04/25/2009 9:40:50 AM PDT by raygunfan
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To: Alamo-Girl; betty boop; CottShop; AndrewC

Dr. Gitt is touching on Dr. Shannon’s theory again. I know some do not agree with Gitt’s contention that Shannon’s theory doesn’t go far enough, but I figured you guys might be interested, if for no other reason, because Shannon is mentioned.

Have a great day!


6 posted on 04/25/2009 9:40:50 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: raygunfan

And yet that is their position...Amazing isn’t it?!?!?


7 posted on 04/25/2009 9:46:13 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

thanks.


8 posted on 04/25/2009 9:55:07 AM PDT by ken21 (the only thing we have to fear is fdr deja vu.)
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To: ken21

J’étais heureux de le faire :o)


9 posted on 04/25/2009 9:57:13 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

...and on the second day came spelling and all of the tools necessary to avoid the embarrassment of mis-spelling one of the most important word in the first line of Genesis...

Really, tri-G! Surely the creationism rationalism sites can do better than that!


10 posted on 04/25/2009 9:59:52 AM PDT by Buck W. (The President of the United States IS named Schickelgruber...)
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To: Buck W.

That was my mistake. And your right, I can do better! Thanks for pointing out my error :o)


11 posted on 04/25/2009 10:01:26 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: Buck W.

your=you’re

I’m batting a thousand today!


12 posted on 04/25/2009 10:03:22 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: Buck W.

Title is fixed...we can all rest easy now :o)


13 posted on 04/25/2009 10:04:06 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

btt


14 posted on 04/25/2009 10:13:17 AM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: GodGunsGuts

In an honest world the theory of evolution would have been over with, done and gone the day that the DNA/RNA system was discovered. Information codes do not just sort of happen...


15 posted on 04/25/2009 10:14:55 AM PDT by varmintman
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To: Buck W.
one of the most important word

And on the second day after morning recess some backward children were schooled in the proper use of the plural form.

16 posted on 04/25/2009 10:17:32 AM PDT by Cedric
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To: GodGunsGuts

itz their position because it has to be....


17 posted on 04/25/2009 10:42:53 AM PDT by raygunfan
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To: Cedric

Yeah—typos haven’t quite evolved out of our species yet.


18 posted on 04/25/2009 12:14:38 PM PDT by Buck W. (The President of the United States IS named Schickelgruber...)
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To: varmintman

You’re rationalizing. A bit of research on the esteemed Dr. Gitt is in order.

Evolution and Christianity are perfectly compatible.


19 posted on 04/25/2009 12:16:27 PM PDT by Buck W. (The President of the United States IS named Schickelgruber...)
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To: Buck W.

Really?

Explain 1 Corinthians 15:39.


20 posted on 04/25/2009 12:46:12 PM PDT by Cedric
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To: Cedric

Christian faith is not dependent on adherence to the literal inerrancy of the bible.


21 posted on 04/25/2009 1:35:37 PM PDT by Buck W. (The President of the United States IS named Schickelgruber...)
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To: GodGunsGuts

bookmark for later-


22 posted on 04/25/2009 2:47:16 PM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: GodGunsGuts

[[your=you’re

I’m batting a thousand today!]]

Yes, yuo really should wokr on you’re spelling- it:s attrocuiso


23 posted on 04/25/2009 2:49:12 PM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: GodGunsGuts
"And your right"

Or was it his left?

24 posted on 04/25/2009 3:47:51 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: varmintman
"Information codes do not just sort of happen."

Do organized tables of complicated yet related properties NOT just sort of happen? Actually they do ... via star and planetary formation ...


25 posted on 04/27/2009 6:48:18 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear (The cosmos is about the smallest hole a man can stick his head in. - Chesterton)
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To: Cedric
"Explain 1 Corinthians 15:39"

All flesh is not the same flesh: but one is the flesh of men, another of beasts, another of birds, another of fishes.

If I try to get specific scientific information from this verse then I might be led to the following reasonable conclusions:

1. There are only four types of living creatures on earth: men, beasts, birds, and fish. What about insects? What about amphibians?
2. Fish and birds are not beasts.
3. The flesh of beasts is all the same: from the fur of bears to the scales of snakes.

Whether or not evolution is correct, a person would be really silly to try to get any valuable scientific insights from 1 Corinthians 15:39.

26 posted on 04/27/2009 6:55:16 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear (The cosmos is about the smallest hole a man can stick his head in. - Chesterton)
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To: raygunfan
"came by random time chance and mutation"

There are no completely random events in the universe. Everything is bounded by the laws of physics which impose some ... or rather a very large amount ... of order on the universe.

It is very likely that God set up the laws of physics, but those are all you need to get from the Big Bang to humans accusing each other of apostasy because of varying views on how we got here.

The basic particles and forces give you photons, atoms, etc. And not just any atoms, but only those with self-consistent properties.

The expression of those basic forces at a higher level give you molecules ... and not just any molecules ... but those where the binding forces between the atoms are consistent with the laws of physics.

The expression of those basic forces at a higher level give you more complicated molecules such as proteins, which leads to RNA which leads to DNA, which leads to mankind.

This is not a completely random process. There are probabilistic elements to it, but everything is guided to the conclusion that God wanted.

I can't tell you what the next number will be to come up on a particular roulette wheel in Vegas. But I am certain that you will lose money if you play that wheel for an extended period of time.

I can't tell you what will come in the future, but I can assure you that because we exist in a universe that appears to be guided by fixed physical rules that it will not be a purely random reorientation of mass and energy.

Increase in complexity on earth is consistent with billions of years of net mass/energy gain due to sunlight, meteor/asteroid impacts, etc.

27 posted on 04/27/2009 7:10:14 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear (The cosmos is about the smallest hole a man can stick his head in. - Chesterton)
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To: who_would_fardels_bear
What is with you evos?

A guy made a statement about Christianity.

I responded with a scripture reference.

You tried to drag it into the realm of “science”.

Then you upbraided me for what you did.

Duh.

28 posted on 04/28/2009 6:13:28 AM PDT by Cedric
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To: Cedric
Buck W wrote that evolution and Christianity are compatible.

You responded glibly with a Bible verse.

I read the verse and interpreted your glib reply as meaning that the world as described in the Bible verse was incompatible with the world described through evolutionary theory.

I then basically said the obvious: the verse is not meant to be interpreted as a description of the world in the same way as evolutionary theory describes the world.

Sorry that I seem to have misinterpreted your "argument", but if you had taken the time to make a reasoned response then you might have not been misinterpreted.

29 posted on 04/28/2009 9:03:03 AM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear (The cosmos is about the smallest hole a man can stick his head in. - Chesterton)
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