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Obama Supporters Move to use Massachusetts as test case for gun confiscation
The Nav Log ^ | 4/25/09

Posted on 04/25/2009 4:35:52 PM PDT by pabianice

Massachusetts H 2202

o Bans ownership of any "assault weapons"

o Bans ownership of any semi-auto rifles or pistols as "machine guns;" possession/ownership of such to be punished by a minimum three years in prison

o Outlaws possession or ownership of any firearms that cannot "microstamp" cartridges

Requires:

o A complete list of every handgun owned must be supplied to your licensing authority;

o $250,000 insurance policy on every handgun to cover any harm or damage that might arise from the use;

o Places a member of Stop Handgun Violence on the state's Gun Control Advisory Board;

o Requires Owners of guns to make lost or stolen reports or face heavy fines;

o Changes the mandatory training requirements for handguns to be a minimum of 20 hours long to include four hours of "practical shooting";

o Limits purchases to One handgun a month;

o Requires solenoid use-limitation devices, voice recognition devices, and automated fingerprint systems for handguns;

o Increases the penalties for multiple unlawful sales without making a dent in illegal gun trafficking.

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STATE REPRESENTATIVE ANTONIO F. D. CABRAL

Room 466, State House, Boston, MA 02133

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E-Mail: Rep.AntonioCabral@hou.state.ma.us

Party Affiliation - DEMOCRAT

DISTRICT REPRESENTED: Thirteenth Bristol. - Consisting of precincts A, B, C, F and G of ward 4, all precincts of wards 5 and 6, of the city of New Bedford, in the county of Bristol.

EDUCATION: Bristol High School; Bristol Community College; University of Massachusetts at Dartmouth, B.A.; Brown University (graduate studies).

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PUBLIC OFFICE: Ward 5 Democratic City Committee; Mass. House (1991-Present).

Committees on which the legislator serves: House Committee on Bonding, Capital Expenditures, and State Assets, Chair

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SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE ROBERT A. DeLEO

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1 posted on 04/25/2009 4:35:52 PM PDT by pabianice
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To: pabianice

Comments? Yeah! “Go to h*ll!”


2 posted on 04/25/2009 4:38:03 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Beat a better path, and the world will build a mousetrap at your door.)
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To: pabianice

I just don’t understand how a constitutionally protected freedom can be licensed. Seriously. This would be similar to requiring training and a license before you could engage in free speech, wouldn’t it? So aren’t these restrictions blatantly unconstitutional? Not that that has ever stopped the libs before...


3 posted on 04/25/2009 4:43:38 PM PDT by CitizenUSA
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To: pabianice; LucyT; Fred Nerks

Want to see what happens when guns are taken away from the people?

Well, in Pakistan it means rule by Taliban thugs, and summary execution for adultery, as shown in this video.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newsvideo/?bcpid=4464161001&bctid=20954227001

No , you wont be disarming America, no matter what laws are passed by leftist dweebs. The only way you will get guns away from Americans is to pry them from their cold, dead fingers.


4 posted on 04/25/2009 4:47:10 PM PDT by Candor7 (The weapons of choice against fascism are ridicule, and derision. (member NRA)
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To: CitizenUSA

A license to free speech?

They’ve already thought of that. You must apply for a permit to demonstrate. Posters must be approved or they are illegal.


5 posted on 04/25/2009 4:47:46 PM PDT by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: pabianice; Kickass Conservative; stand watie; sauropod; Cacique; StarFan; nutmeg
These MORONS will never get it...it's not the law abiding citizens with registered weapons that are the problem...it's the criminal enterprises with illegal firearms that present the greatest threat to public safety. HOW ABOUT TAKING THE WEAPONS AWAY FROM THE CRIMINALS?

But as usual the LIBS take out their frustrations on the general public and put us all at risk.


6 posted on 04/25/2009 4:54:07 PM PDT by KLT (A damn Yankee, from the great state of Mississippi....Go Freepers GO!)
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To: pabianice

Communist summbitches, IMO. This is a clear, blatant attack on the Second Amendment of the US Constitution.

If it’s a trial balloon for the 0bama administration, then it should be shot out of the sky, immediately.

It’s time to take back the country.


7 posted on 04/25/2009 4:54:36 PM PDT by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. 01-20-2013: Change we can look forward to.)
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To: pabianice

Note to self: Don’t move to MA.

Oh, yeah. Like that place was on my short list of places to move to, let alone visit before I die. *SMIRK*

However, WI is becoming ‘MA Lite.’ *SIGH*


8 posted on 04/25/2009 4:54:47 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: CitizenUSA

Well, Heller was very vague, and did not as far as I know touch on whether the Second Amendment requires “strict scrutiny.”

I suspect if this is passed, it will be before the Court fairly quickly, to determine just that point.

If the Court decides that strict scrutiny is required, anything that imposes an “undue burden” would be unconstitional. Things like microstamping would likely fall into this category.


9 posted on 04/25/2009 4:55:37 PM PDT by B Knotts (Calvin Coolidge Republican)
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To: pabianice

Democrat majorities and RKBA are not compatible. They cannot coexist. Vote for one and lose the other.


10 posted on 04/25/2009 4:56:36 PM PDT by umgud (I'm really happy I wasn't aborted)
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To: CitizenUSA
I just don’t understand how a constitutionally protected freedom can be licensed.

One major reason is that you are one of the few people who correctly identify it as a constitutionally protected freedom. Mostly what you hear is, "My constitutional right to bear arms" or "my second amendment right." That means, of course, that the right to bear arms is not part of the natural right to life that we are endowed with by God and includes protecting that life, but rather the right to bear arms comes from the Constitution and therefore is subject to the whims of government. That erroneous thinking causes a lot of problems.

11 posted on 04/25/2009 4:59:20 PM PDT by Dahoser (The missus and I joined the NRA. Who says Obama can't inspire conservatives?)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

>>Comments? Yeah! “Go to h*ll!”<<

Sir, you are so much more polite than I would ever be. Suffice it to say, that if I wrote here my exact feelings, I would be banned for life.

So, I will only say “I REFUSE TO OBEY!”.


12 posted on 04/25/2009 5:00:21 PM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners.)
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To: pabianice

Confiscation of firearms must take place if the “messiah” and his D’rats are going to succeed with their agenda. Without firearm confiscation, the Obama regime will fail.


13 posted on 04/25/2009 5:00:26 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Proud charter member of Napolitano's rightwing, nutcase American, watch list.)
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To: pabianice

Like Charlton Heston said - “Only from my cold and dead fingers”.......


14 posted on 04/25/2009 5:00:44 PM PDT by NeverForgetBataan
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To: B Knotts

Heller has to be incorporated against Mass before it can be used against Mass.

That is the first order of business.

9th circuit has incorporated, but they only cover the west.


15 posted on 04/25/2009 5:01:55 PM PDT by CurlyDave
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To: pabianice

I have been warning about this for a while now...

Obama will seek these 4 elements in a gun bill

1. An expanded HR 45, gun owner licensing. All gun owners will have to have these licenses, even owners of facilimie weapons (AKA Airsoft and BB). Licenses will only be granted if the records of the applicant are clean (This includes misdemeanors from decades ago). Licenses will have high renewal fees ($100-300/yr). Licensees will be required to hold $1 million in liability insurance. Possession of otherwise permitted weapons (See #3) without license is a felony.

2. Ammunition accountability... All ammo will be required to be microstamped and will be taxed $1/round. All non stamped ammo will be required to be turned in or thrown away. Possession of non-marked ammo is a felony. This part of the act also bans “Cop Killer” bullets. Furthermore, this will require the gun to leave a microstamp of its own on the ammo. (BTW, this will also affect law enforcement and military ammunition stocks, as they will be required to have stamps of their own)

3. Expanded “Assault Weapons” ban— This includes most all semiauto rifles, anything that can be “Bump Fired”, Semiauto handguns, and Semi-auto shotguns. It also includes pump-action shotguns and “Sniper Rifles” AKA your deer rifle. The AWB will also require people with “Prebans” to register their guns as Machine Guns, and that the tax stamp will go up to $10,000 per weapon. If you can’t afford this, you have to turn the weapon in without compensation...

4. Expansion of the Lautenberg amendment: Removes “Domestic Violence” as disqualifier to gun ownership, inserts any misdemeanor as disqualifer... Anyone with a misdemeanor on their record will be prohibited from owning a firearm. This includes DUI and traffic offenses, and offenses decades ago.

Finally, all CCW permits will be voided. Also, all gun and ammo imports will be banned.


16 posted on 04/25/2009 5:09:32 PM PDT by Thunder90
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To: pabianice

Don’t they realize....

This will mean war.


17 posted on 04/25/2009 5:12:21 PM PDT by xmission (www.iwilldefendtheconstitution.com)
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To: B Knotts

B Knotts: “If the Court decides that strict scrutiny is required, anything that imposes an “undue burden” would be unconstitional.”

Does strict scrutiny apply to other rights in the Bill of Rights? If so, why would the right to arms be any different? Again, I know the court can make it up as they go, but I just don’t see how a constitutionally protected right can be restricted beyond strict scrutiny. Placing all sorts of restrictions on gun ownership is not similar to allowable limits on free speech, i.e. “shouting fire in a crowded theater.”


18 posted on 04/25/2009 5:12:43 PM PDT by CitizenUSA
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To: CitizenUSA

I see you’re under the mistaken impression that the Constitutional contract between We The People and the federal oligarchy is still valid. It isn’t. The appointment of affirmative action O bow ma in disregard for the Constitutional requirement of proven eligibility has voided the contract via abrogation by the subpreme court and our elected representatives. The democraps are free to do as they please now. Be a good serf and just keep your mouth shut.


19 posted on 04/25/2009 5:15:43 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: CitizenUSA; CurlyDave

In my opinion, you’re right. But, like you said, who knows what the courts will do.

CurlyDave points out correctly that Heller has not yet been incorporated nationwide, and that would need to happen first.


20 posted on 04/25/2009 5:16:10 PM PDT by B Knotts (Calvin Coolidge Republican)
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To: Thunder90

It took just the AWB to bring in Bush. Does Obama want to see once more how a Rat government can become a GOP government overnight? Bill Clinton could tell him.


21 posted on 04/25/2009 5:19:43 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Beat a better path, and the world will build a mousetrap at your door.)
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To: NTHockey

I think FReepers should remember this is a public board, and the owners would be required to reveal user information to the authorities in an investigation. This also happens to be a very popular board with a well known reputation for being very conservative. In other words, this is one of the first places Janet Napolitano’s minions would look.


22 posted on 04/25/2009 5:22:25 PM PDT by CitizenUSA
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To: pabianice

Dispite what most Democrats say during the campaign you can always count on this: “If their mouth is moving, they are lying!”

I would be remiss if I did not give credit the few conservative Democrats who are not intoxicate by money and power bur still care about this country.


23 posted on 04/25/2009 5:24:09 PM PDT by antidemoncrat
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To: CitizenUSA

Let her come we will sit down and discuss things before she is escorted off the property. Is that not the O way “Talk”.


24 posted on 04/25/2009 5:28:59 PM PDT by jafojeffsurf (Return to the Constitution.)
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To: CitizenUSA
I just don’t understand how a (GOD GIVEN) constitutionally protected freedom can be licensed
25 posted on 04/25/2009 5:33:30 PM PDT by Revelation 911 (How many 100's of 1000's of our servicemen died so we would never bow to a king?" -freeper pnh102)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Confiscation of firearms must take place if the “messiah” and his D’rats are going to succeed with their agenda. Without firearm confiscation, the Obama regime will fail.
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Exactly right. They can’t complete the subjugation without it—and they know it. They are going to push this for the next 4 years every chance they get, they have no choice.


26 posted on 04/25/2009 5:37:50 PM PDT by lp boonie (Good judgment comes from experience, and a lot of that comes from bad judgment)
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To: CitizenUSA
I just don’t understand how a constitutionally protected freedom can be licensed. Seriously.

Ever heard of campaign finance reform.

27 posted on 04/25/2009 5:40:43 PM PDT by ALPAPilot
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To: CurlyDave

Geez, I never thought I’d be happy to live in the Ninth Circus.


28 posted on 04/25/2009 5:42:11 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
It took just the AWB to bring in Bush.

If that's the case, why did Clintoon win in '96? The AWB is widely credited on both sides of the aisle with giving Congress to the GOP in '94 for the first time in four decades, probably with some merit, but I don't think it caused the election of Bush. Gore was just too much of a wingnut, and Bush was not quite as bad.

29 posted on 04/25/2009 5:45:16 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: xmission
Don’t they realize.... This will mean war.

Yes they realize it but they have the mistaken belief that the patriotic members of the US Armed Forces will be on their side.

30 posted on 04/25/2009 5:50:33 PM PDT by Jeff Gordon (I don't trust Obama with my country. Do you?)
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To: CitizenUSA

Amendments:

1. Free speech - campaign finance reform

2 Gun rights - gun control

3. I actually wouldn’t mind having soldiers at the house, though to be fair they’ve never made me.

4. Search and Seizure - Income tax returns, IRS and Swiss bank accounts

5. Compensation - they aren’t planning to pay you for confiscated guns

That’s only the first five.


31 posted on 04/25/2009 5:52:18 PM PDT by ALPAPilot
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To: Jeff Gordon

Not only do they think the military is on their side but...

“Though this nation has proudly thought of itself as an ethnic melting pot, in things racial we have always been and I believe continue to be, in too many ways, essentially a nation of cowards,” said Holder, nation’s first black attorney general


32 posted on 04/25/2009 5:53:48 PM PDT by Voter62vb
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To: Jeff Gordon

I hope they’ll get to bring the goodies with them...


33 posted on 04/25/2009 5:58:08 PM PDT by xmission (www.iwilldefendtheconstitution.com)
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To: pabianice

Comments?

Read the freakin’ Constitution!


34 posted on 04/25/2009 5:58:50 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (If guns cause crime, then all of mine are defective.)
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To: CitizenUSA

GOOD. STUFF IT, NAPOLITANO.


35 posted on 04/25/2009 5:59:05 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Beat a better path, and the world will build a mousetrap at your door.)
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To: pabianice; All

Imagine these same rules applying to voting:

Requires:

o A complete list of every vote ever cast must be supplied to your licensing authority;


36 posted on 04/25/2009 6:02:15 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (If guns cause crime, then all of mine are defective.)
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I am very seriously curious about just how many gun owning Americans will actually take a do or die stand and shoot any thug who attempts to take their guns away?

I am very deadly serious about this. I will willingly shoot to kill, and thus be willing to die fighting for my freedom, anybody who tries to take my guns. What percentage of the gun owners in this country are actually willing to kill and die when that day comes? Oh, and if this puts me on a list, then so be it!


37 posted on 04/25/2009 6:02:31 PM PDT by mtdrake
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To: pabianice
If you read the link - the list you've posted above combines the language from 2 bills - H2202 and H.2287.

H.2202, Automatic Weapons Bill or General Gun Ban?

Recently GOAL obtained a copy of H.2202 "An Act to Close the Automatic Weapon Loophole" bill. The legislation was filed by Representative Antonio Cabral of New Bedford. The bill appears to have no cosponsors. At first glance one would logically come to the conclusion that the bill has something to do with machineguns. Unfortunately, you would be wrong. It is actually a potential ban on everything other than automatic firearms.

The very first section of the bill changes the Commonwealth's definition of "Assault Weapon" by deleting the exemptions that exist for manual action guns. The proposed change also does away with an important exemption that GOAL had put into law in our 2004 reform bill (Chapter 150 of the Acts of 2004).

The exemption was Appendix A of 18 U.S.C. 922, part of the federal assault weapons ban laws that were set to expire in 2004. The Appendix contained a list of hundreds of guns that could legally never be considered as "assault weapons".

Some examples of the guns on the list are Ruger Red Label Shotgun, Perrazi Sporting Classic O/U Shotgun, Browning Citori O/U Shotgun, Remington 870 Youth Model, Ancshutz Match Rifle, Thompson/Center Contender Carbine. Knowing the federal ban was set to expire and the Massachusetts ban was not, GOAL successfully worked to permanently attach Appendix A to the Massachusetts exemptions. H.2202 proposes to do away with that exemption.

The next two sections of the bill inserts language into the license to carry law (Chapter 140, Section 131) essentially banning the purchase, renting, leasing, borrowing, possession and carrying of assault weapons.

Section four of the bill is more than a little confusing as it deals with club licenses. The language removes an exemption in the law that currently allows the removal of large capacity weapons or large capacity feeding devices from the premises (club) for the purpose of "hunting in accordance with the provisions of chapter 131."

The bill then moves to change the minimum sentencing for possession firearm (handgun), rifle or shotgun form 2 ½ years to "not less than three years." The minimum sentencing for drug and violent crimes in conjunction with gun crimes is increased from three years to a minimum of five years. It also intends to do away with the ability to serve concurrent sentences for certain crimes.

The bill clearly has nothing to do with machineguns (automatic weapons), but rather is intended to ban certain semi-automatic guns (assault weapons). Perhaps even more sinister is that by proposing to remove the crucial exemptions in the legal definition of "assault weapon" it is intentionally opening the door to label most any gun an assault weapon and thus potentially banning anything. If this is not the intention, then why remove the exemptions?

H.2202 is currently within the Joint Committee on Public Safety and Homeland Security. We urge our members to contact the Committee members and ask them to oppose this blatant attempt to open the door for banning the possession of guns by lawful citizens.

H.2287 the Anti RKBA Buffet

H.2287 "An Act Relative to Firearms in the Commonwealth" is a re-file from the last legislative session. As stated in my title, it is a virtual buffet of anti RKBA legislation. Rather than taking up a lot of space with detailed explanations, I'll simply give a bullet point list of the proposals in the bill:

A complete list of every handgun owned must be supplied to your licensing authority;
· $250,000 insurance policy on every handgun to cover any harm or damage that might arise from the use;
· Place a member of Stop Handgun Violence on the state's Gun Control Advisory Board;
· Owners of guns to make lost or stolen reports or face heavy fines;
· Changing the mandatory training requirements for handguns to be a minimum of 20 hours long to include four hours of "practical shooting";
· One handgun a month;
· Solenoid use-limitation devices, voice recognition devices, automated fingerprint systems for handguns;
· Increasing the penalties for multiple unlawful sales.

38 posted on 04/25/2009 6:05:13 PM PDT by 2nd amendment mama ( www.2asisters.org | Self defense is a basic human right!)
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To: KLT

Oh....they “get it” allright. The commie DemRats get it perfectly. It’s you that doesn’t get it.....apparently.


39 posted on 04/25/2009 6:05:30 PM PDT by XenaLee
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To: pabianice

The first one started in Massachusetts back in the mid 18th century, so I suppose it would be as good a place as any to begin the second one in the early 21st.


40 posted on 04/25/2009 6:09:16 PM PDT by Nik Naym (Everyone has a right to my opinion.)
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To: mtdrake

I pray every day that I do not have to make a desiccion like that but I think I will do what I have to do if they come to my door. If I know there coming I’ll have more options though.


41 posted on 04/25/2009 6:12:13 PM PDT by jafojeffsurf (Return to the Constitution.)
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To: mtdrake

mtdrake: “I am very seriously curious about just how many gun owning Americans will actually take a do or die stand and shoot any thug who attempts to take their guns away?”

Excellent question. I’m a Christian, so I believe I’m supposed to obey the laws of the land. There are exceptions, like a law that would require me to violate God’s laws, but I would comply with gun control.

However, I wonder how many other folks would do or die over gun control. I suspect most Americans would either turn in their guns or hide them. If someone resisted a search, it would be their family against legions of law enforcement officers. I just don’t think that many folks would sacrifice themselves and their families in such circumstances.


42 posted on 04/25/2009 6:16:31 PM PDT by CitizenUSA
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To: pabianice

There will be a revolution should confiscation ever be attempted. Count on it. There is a reason for the ammo shortage. Only half of America are Obamabots, the rest of us are old fashioned Americans who know what The Constitution says. Laws that are unConstitutional are null and void and illegal.


43 posted on 04/25/2009 6:24:07 PM PDT by TheConservativeParty ("Government is not reason, it is not eloquence, it is force." George Washington)
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To: CurlyDave

The Heller decision left plenty of room to restrict firearms in multiple ways. Incorporation doesn’t prohibit that. It merely states the municipalities and states cannot restrict your right to keep and bear arms. However, Heller leaves plenty of running room to say how those firearms and ammunition can be regulated.


44 posted on 04/25/2009 6:27:23 PM PDT by saganite (What would Sully do?)
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To: Travis McGee
ping...
45 posted on 04/25/2009 6:35:20 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - Obama is basically Jim Jones with a teleprompter)
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To: CitizenUSA

CitizenUSA, I too consider myself a Christian. I too am concerned for my family (I do not have children), as well as everyone’s family. My question really boils down to this: How many Americans, gun owners or not, would be willing to allow their government to take away their God given and constitutionally gauranteed rights? How many Americans are willing to live under a tyranical government? I am not, not under any circumstance. I consider it my duty to fight and even die protecting our freedoms if they are taken from us. I firmly do not believe that being a Christian precludes anyone from fighting for their freedom.

First and foremost I pray that the day never comes when I will need to take this stand. Not for myself, but for my country’s sake. If and when that day does come I then pray that there will be enough Americans who will be willing to kill and die standing and fighting rather than live under tyrany.


46 posted on 04/25/2009 6:36:49 PM PDT by mtdrake
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To: mtdrake
I am very deadly serious about this. I will willingly shoot to kill, and thus be willing to die fighting for my freedom, anybody who tries to take my guns.

Maybe lots of folks will decide we shouldn't wait to shoot those who come to take the guns, just actively hunt the bastards who pass the bill.

47 posted on 04/25/2009 6:43:41 PM PDT by badgerlandjim (Hillary Clinton is to politics as Helen Thomas is to beauty.)
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To: pabianice

48 posted on 04/25/2009 6:48:57 PM PDT by ConservaTexan (February 6, 1911)
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To: CitizenUSA
Make a felon out of me with draconian unConstitutional laws.

See what happens!

49 posted on 04/25/2009 6:51:54 PM PDT by TigersEye (Cloward-Piven Strategy)
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To: B Knotts
I suspect if this is passed, it will be before the Court fairly quickly

a few million bucks and twenty yrs later, wake me for the ruling...

on the bright side, shortly, a few million bucks will be pocket money, and might even buy a tank of gas...

50 posted on 04/25/2009 6:54:18 PM PDT by Gilbo_3 ("JesusChrist 08"...Trust in the Lord......=...LiveFReeOr Die...)
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