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In GOP base, a 'rebellion brewing'
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Posted on 04/26/2009 6:03:07 AM PDT by Sub-Driver

In GOP base, a 'rebellion brewing' By: Ben Smith and Jonathan Martin April 26, 2009 07:03 AM EST

A quick tour through the week’s headlines suggests the Republican Party is beginning to come to terms with the last election and that consensus is emerging among GOP elites that the party needs to move away from discordant social issues.

There was Sen. John McCain's daughter and his campaign manager who last week demanded that their fellow Republicans embrace same-sex marriage. Utah Gov. Jon Huntsman – the most devoted modernizer among the party's 2012 hopefuls – won approving words from New York Times columnist Frank Rich for his call to downplay divisive values issues. The party’s top elected leaders in Congress, meanwhile, spooked by being attacked as the “party of no,” were recasting themselves as a constructive, respectful opposition to a popular president.

But outside Washington, the reality is very different. Rank-and-file Republicans remain, by all indications, staunchly conservative, and they appear to have no desire to moderate their views. GOP activists and operatives say they hear intense anger at the White House and at the party’s own leaders on familiar issues – taxes, homosexuality, and immigration. Within the party, conservative groups have grown stronger absent the emergence of any organized moderate faction.

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1 posted on 04/26/2009 6:03:07 AM PDT by Sub-Driver
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To: Sub-Driver
There was Sen. John McCain's daughter and his campaign manager who last week demanded that their fellow Republicans embrace same-sex marriage. Utah Gov. Jon Huntsman – the most devoted modernizer among the party's 2012 hopefuls – won approving words from New York Times columnist Frank Rich for his call to downplay divisive values issues.

In other words the GOP has learned NOTHING.

2 posted on 04/26/2009 6:08:35 AM PDT by YankeeReb
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To: Sub-Driver
In GOP base, a 'rebellion brewing'

I'd say they are a few election cycles behind...we've been in rebellion for quite some time now.

3 posted on 04/26/2009 6:10:07 AM PDT by rightwingextremist1776
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To: Sub-Driver

“.....consensus is emerging among GOP elites that the party needs to move away from discordant social issues.”

....and that is exactly why so many of us feel the GOP has lost it’s balls.


4 posted on 04/26/2009 6:11:03 AM PDT by STONEWALLS
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To: Sub-Driver
have no desire to moderate their views

Trouble is the Republican Party doesn't realize this.

5 posted on 04/26/2009 6:11:35 AM PDT by From The Deer Stand
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To: Sub-Driver
The problem with today's GOP leadership is that they hate Ronald reagan, HATE the 1994 Congress, and LOVE Nelson Rockefeller, Gerald ford and Bob Michel.

Ronaldus Magnus was the only resaon the GOP didn't become an irrelevant 3rd Party behind the Libertarians in the 1970's. The Tea Parties are only a tip of the iceberg for those of us Conservatives who believe the GOP is turning into Democrat-lite, who'll take away our freedom just a little big slower.

6 posted on 04/26/2009 6:12:55 AM PDT by MuttTheHoople
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To: Sub-Driver

Ha ha! Watch the GOP continue to blindly stumble its way into irrelevance.


7 posted on 04/26/2009 6:13:16 AM PDT by thecabal (Hey Obama, when you gonna start sharin' the sacrifice?)
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To: YankeeReb

No, In other words the GOP leadership has learned nothing


8 posted on 04/26/2009 6:15:47 AM PDT by ragman (Have fun - Do Good Philippians 4:)
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To: Sub-Driver

It’s dead, Jim.


9 posted on 04/26/2009 6:16:02 AM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: Sub-Driver
There was Sen. John McCain's daughter and his campaign manager who last week demanded that their fellow Republicans embrace same-sex marriage

This is very curious.

Being AGAINST same sex "marriage" is a majority position, a winning issue, everywhere (including California!) that it has been subjected to a vote.

How is moving to the losing side of an issue good advice for a party which is trying to GAIN rather than LOSE votes?

10 posted on 04/26/2009 6:16:09 AM PDT by Jim Noble (They are willing to kill for socialism...but not to die for it.)
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To: Sub-Driver

The elites are getting just the wrong message from the past election, which demonstrated that John McCain’s hands-across-the-aisle, softpedal conservative social and economic priniciples does NOT work, and that what we need are Republicans that will strongly voice conservative principles regardless and act as a voice of opposition to Obama’s socialist tendencies.


11 posted on 04/26/2009 6:16:35 AM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: Sub-Driver

Conservatives were duped by GWB and Mike Duncan. We’re mad and we’re coming back to take it over!


12 posted on 04/26/2009 6:17:00 AM PDT by AmericanGirlRising (I'm a Christian, and I pray for Janet Napalotano. Yes, it's as hard to do as you might think it is.)
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To: Sub-Driver
Will the RINO’s define the GOP, or will the base stand up and eject the ‘moderates’ who so desperately want to become the democrat-lite party?

The very robust turnouts and enthusiasm for Mrs. Palin would lead me to believe that the Republicans would do themselves a favor to follow her lead.

13 posted on 04/26/2009 6:19:52 AM PDT by Pox
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To: Sub-Driver
Why should we have to compromise or "moderate" our views all the time? It's utter garbage. Liberals and GOP elitists just don't get it when it comes to understanding conservatives. We don't march lockstep with party bosses for convenience. There's simply no moderate stand on abortion. You either believe in killing babies or you don't. I guess you can support the federalism view on abortion and remove all tax funding from it, but Dems won't even support that. Ditto for homo marriage. Conservatives are just supposed to support it and let judges run amok? I smell desperation from the Politico.
14 posted on 04/26/2009 6:21:33 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist ("President Obama, your agenda is not new, it's not change, and it's not hope" - Rush Limbaugh 02/28)
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To: Sub-Driver

“Rank-and-file Republicans remain, by all indications, staunchly conservative,.................”
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Actually, the majority of Americans are conservative on a variety of issues. Especially those that we apply on a daily basis. (moral values, finances, ethics, etc.) That is why true conservatives (Reagan) win huge cross-over voters (Reagan Democrats) in elections.

What we are now seeing in Washington are charlotans (both sides of the isle) living for themselves and not us. As time goes on, they will continue to not represent us and even insult us. Their policies and laws do not represent what is best for us and America but what is best for big goverment and centralized control by un-elected bureaucrats.

The time is now to stop them.


15 posted on 04/26/2009 6:22:04 AM PDT by TMA62 (TMA62)
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To: Sub-Driver

There can be no change until dormant Republican primary voters bring such at the primary level. Most primary voters lack knowledge but pride themselves on the recognition of the names of “friendly” (that is, people spending their tax money) incumbents.


16 posted on 04/26/2009 6:23:08 AM PDT by Theodore R. (GWB is gone: Now the American sheeple can sleep at night!)
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To: Sub-Driver
Is Huntsman a Log Cabin Repub?


17 posted on 04/26/2009 6:23:39 AM PDT by nhwingut
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To: Sub-Driver

Who is this Jon Huntsman? Is he some kind of clone of Orrin G. Hatch, who started out as a real conservative?


18 posted on 04/26/2009 6:25:02 AM PDT by Theodore R. (GWB is gone: Now the American sheeple can sleep at night!)
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To: Sub-Driver

Idiots. As soon at the GOP is for same sex marriage, it will become the party that is AGAINST pedophilia, and the whole process will begin anew, another wrung down on the ladder.


19 posted on 04/26/2009 6:25:17 AM PDT by SampleMan (Socialism enslaves you & kills your soul.)
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To: Pox
Will the RINO’s define the GOP, or will the base stand up and eject the ‘moderates’ who so desperately want to become the democrat-lite party?

The real question is how long before the conservative base starts literally chucking bricks and molotov cocktails through the windows of the local GOP offices?

Once that starts happening, we'll know the real direction the party will take.

20 posted on 04/26/2009 6:26:28 AM PDT by Turbo Pig (...to close with and destroy the enemy...)
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To: Sub-Driver

Just imagine what we could do if we had a leader


21 posted on 04/26/2009 6:27:33 AM PDT by silverleaf (We live in interesting times: now the entire IRS works for a tax evader)
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To: Sub-Driver

The GOP elitists are going to be dragged kicking and screaming to where America is.

Pray for America and Our Troops


22 posted on 04/26/2009 6:29:06 AM PDT by bray (Throw the Crooks Out!)
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To: Sub-Driver

The GOP has run up the white flag and sent the message to the Dems that they’re ready for permanent minority status. It’s time for a third party.


23 posted on 04/26/2009 6:30:28 AM PDT by saganite (What would Sully do?)
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To: Jim Noble
Being AGAINST same sex "marriage" is a majority position, a winning issue, everywhere (including California!) that it has been subjected to a vote. How is moving to the losing side of an issue good advice for a party which is trying to GAIN rather than LOSE votes?

Well said.

It's the same as the "torture" issue. Most Americans, in every poll I've seen, believe "enhanced interogations" should be used against Muslim fanatics. But the media spins it the other way.
24 posted on 04/26/2009 6:30:34 AM PDT by nhwingut
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To: Sub-Driver

They are just figuring out that the base is ‘still’ conservative? This says it all about the RINOs in Washington.


25 posted on 04/26/2009 6:40:53 AM PDT by devane617 (Republicans first strategy should be taking over the MSM. Without it we are doomed.)
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To: SampleMan
As soon at the GOP is for same sex marriage, it will become the party that is AGAINST pedophilia...

I understand your point, but MAN that didn't sound right the first couple times I read it.

26 posted on 04/26/2009 6:41:36 AM PDT by infidel29 (BARACkarl OBAmarx)
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To: Sub-Driver

I for one am not about to accept the GOP treating me like the Dems treat their many “groups”. Lip service and lies. Steele is a disaster. I will not buy the good cop bad cop routine again. In fact two GOP donation requests have been sent to the round file already this week.


27 posted on 04/26/2009 6:43:17 AM PDT by screaminsunshine (!!)
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To: Sub-Driver
Thanks for your concern, Politico, but I do not wish to continue losing elections by joining the party of Meghan McCain and Frank Rich. Knew you'd understand.
28 posted on 04/26/2009 6:44:29 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Sub-Driver
But do conservatives know how to rebel? Rebelling means NOT voting for the "lesser of two evils".

Some people here rebelled in the last election....and got slammed for doing it.
29 posted on 04/26/2009 6:47:22 AM PDT by Arkinsaw
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To: Sub-Driver
There was Sen. John McCain's daughter

FAT LITTLE RICH GIRL WHO SUPPORT KERRY AND GORE !

I am so sick of the idiots that keep throwing the fat girl up as some kind of GOP spokesman.

Steele needs to call and tell those LOSERS to shut up!

30 posted on 04/26/2009 6:48:16 AM PDT by sausageseller (http://coolblue.typepad.com/the_cool_blue_blog/)
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To: MuttTheHoople

Excellent post Mutt

Go Florida beat Mississippi State for goodness sakes, Please.


31 posted on 04/26/2009 6:49:16 AM PDT by Joe Boucher (yEP,i)
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To: Jim Noble
How is moving to the losing side of an issue good advice for a party which is trying to GAIN rather than LOSE votes?

because the beltway GOP have become what Rush aptly calls "the Washingtonians"--denizens of the rarefied political heights of the Capitol District where similar tenacious, 'rat-like political mutants dwell, and where they only talk to each other. These strange creatures actually are unaware that the earth revolves around the sun, not around them.

32 posted on 04/26/2009 6:50:22 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Sub-Driver; All
Asked about how a presidential candidate urging the party toward the middle on cultural issues would fare, Scheffler said flatly: “They’re not gonna go anywhere.”

Amen.

And in other news:

Sarah Palin Puts the Smackdown on Obama

33 posted on 04/26/2009 6:52:50 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin is a smart missile aimed at the heart of the left!)
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To: Sub-Driver

GoP elites.. hardly,, more like liberals masquerading as republicans


34 posted on 04/26/2009 6:58:23 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed.)
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To: Sub-Driver
What the Leftist GOP is forgetting is, that we are barely 100 days into the Obama disaster.

They keep saying how widely “popular” he is among the ignorant lazy masses, thanks to the incredible lies and one track bias from the MSM.

Given the reality of what Obama has done to this economy and the Constitution, the USA is nothing more than a Dead Man Walking. It's like a healthy man, suddenly exposed to a deadly dose of radiation. they still feel fine and look fine, but will soon be dead.

Add to that, the sweeping laws being passed, will forever change this country towards Socialism. A capitalism based economy, and the resulting economic giant it created, will quickly collapse and there will be unemployment over 20%, runaway inflation due to the drunken spending of Congress and even worse, stagflation and eventually deflation. And industry will no longer exist that carried this country through hard times in the past.

During the ‘30’s we had an industrial economy that was production based. it was over 85% production based and only 15% service based. This is how we recovered so quickly after WW2. Those factories put millions to work over night; Literally.

today, we are less than 25% production based and over 75% service based. Which means, there will be no chance for a quick recovery for hundereds of millions of workers. When services halt, they are easily picked up from another source overseas.

This is why we are in such a mess this time around, but few actually realize it. Especially the GOP! Which is why we need to revive Conservatism. The more the better!

35 posted on 04/26/2009 7:00:16 AM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (Give me LIBERTY or give me an M-24A2!)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

The elites that are currently running the Republican party have made their decision.

They would rather remain ruling a minority party than serve in a majority party.

Better to rule in hell than serve in Heaven.


36 posted on 04/26/2009 7:04:36 AM PDT by american_ranger (Never ever use DirecTV)
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To: Unam Sanctam

Well, it’s obvious that John McCain hasn’t come to terms with the last election. He is so freaking arrogant he can’t admitt it was him and his luke warm message that was at fault. I wish he would just retire and go leave us all alone.


37 posted on 04/26/2009 7:22:11 AM PDT by SaintDismas
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To: Sub-Driver

Republican moderates? Hey, there as common as Iranian “moderates” or Taliban “moderates” or hen’s teeth or unicorn. There is no organized Unicorn faction in the Repuplican Party.


38 posted on 04/26/2009 7:25:11 AM PDT by Jabba the Nutt (Obama, the American Allende.)
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To: STONEWALLS

“...move away from discordant social issues.” In other words, hide under their desks unless forced to take a stand and then, join the democrats. Gee, beats me how McCain could have lost!


39 posted on 04/26/2009 7:47:31 AM PDT by Oldpuppymax (AGENDA OF THE LEFT EXPOSED)
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To: Pox

I cannot wait for Gov. Palin to endorse Juan McCain’s Republican opponent in the 2010 race. J.D. Hayworth, John Shadegg, Chris Simcox would all be better than the McCain.


40 posted on 04/26/2009 7:56:52 AM PDT by Tucson Jim
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To: YankeeReb

Bwahahahaha! I knew this was coming! The GOP lost because it was supposedly “too conservative”-What a joke!


41 posted on 04/26/2009 7:58:22 AM PDT by icwhatudo
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To: Jim Noble

How did a lame-brain twit being a daughter of a very unpopular RINO and loser mclame get any traction from Conservatives? I think not, only within the circle of RINOs, libdems and MSM trying to rescue their RINO friends.


42 posted on 04/26/2009 8:09:44 AM PDT by dusttoyou (Remember the Alamo - Tea Party2 4th of July)
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To: Sub-Driver

So, Pilate like, it seems like it boils down to choosing social gay and abortion advocates or selecting conservatives who are Democrat families with union members [also known as Reagan Democrats].

Obviously the good GOP supporter will choose the one most likely to export jobs.


43 posted on 04/26/2009 8:09:55 AM PDT by ex-snook ("Above all things, truth beareth away the victory.")
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To: MuttTheHoople
The Tea Parties are only a tip of the iceberg for those of us Conservatives who believe KNOW the GOP is turning HAS TURNED into Democrat-lite

There, fixed it..

44 posted on 04/26/2009 8:13:25 AM PDT by GeorgiaDawg32 (Winners develop habits losers want nothing to do with..)
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To: Sub-Driver
...consensus is emerging among GOP elites...
...defeatism is emerging among GOP elites...
45 posted on 04/26/2009 8:14:00 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: YankeeReb

Social issues are not my #1 issues. I am first and foremost fiscal conservatism. That said, the idea that the GOP is wrong by having the same position as the majority of Americans on same sex marriage is crazy. California is off the cliff politically...the GOP is dead out there. That said, the majority of CA residents voted against same sex marriage. Anyone who debates that is is social issues as the central problem in the GOP is dishonest. The problem lies in the GOP spending foolishly and growing government when they had power, and ceding the advantage on a number of fiscal issues to the Democrats. They let a central planner get elected as a tax cutter.


46 posted on 04/26/2009 8:26:00 AM PDT by ilgipper
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To: YankeeReb
In other words the GOP has learned NOTHING

You mean , GOP leaders--- and not all of them, just the ones the MSM touts.

Don't worry, somebody will emerge who will Folllow the base.

I remember 1980 when the media tried to play up Reagan's "senility" (he was 69) and try to push that weenie Bush on us, but then Reagan had that famous moment at one of those debates and sealed the deal, despite the workings of the miserable MSM. I doubt conservatives will be denied this time around, despite their best efforts

47 posted on 04/26/2009 8:29:33 AM PDT by Nonstatist
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To: Sub-Driver

Barry Goldwater warned that if the Republican party ever turns into a Religous organzation(which it has) then you can kiss the party good bye.

We need to have one issue and one only and that is fixing the budget and the excesses in government.

We need to get rid of as much of government as possible and reverse the Socialism that has crept into the system.

Forget religous issues. Its has been our doom.

John

““ When you say “radical right” today, I think of these moneymaking ventures by fellows like Pat Robertson and others who are trying to take the Republican party and make a religious organization out of it. If that ever happens, kiss politics goodbye.[40]”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Goldwater


48 posted on 04/26/2009 8:49:47 AM PDT by Diggity
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“a respectful opposition to a popular president”? If im reading this now, the opposition needs to be *respectful and constructive*? Oh, and for some reason that has never been *at all* been clear to me, Meghan McCain needs to be listened to?

Hell, even AlGores daughter got a law degree before she started spouting her nonsense. Whats the McCain twit ever done?


49 posted on 04/26/2009 8:50:32 AM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs earn the title of "man's best friend", Muslims hate dogs,,add that up.)
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To: Sub-Driver

Only the headline was correct,,,there is indeed a rebellion brewing, just not the one they think/wish.


50 posted on 04/26/2009 8:51:46 AM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs earn the title of "man's best friend", Muslims hate dogs,,add that up.)
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