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In GOP base, a 'rebellion brewing'
The Politico ^

Posted on 04/26/2009 6:03:07 AM PDT by Sub-Driver

In GOP base, a 'rebellion brewing' By: Ben Smith and Jonathan Martin April 26, 2009 07:03 AM EST

A quick tour through the week’s headlines suggests the Republican Party is beginning to come to terms with the last election and that consensus is emerging among GOP elites that the party needs to move away from discordant social issues.

There was Sen. John McCain's daughter and his campaign manager who last week demanded that their fellow Republicans embrace same-sex marriage. Utah Gov. Jon Huntsman – the most devoted modernizer among the party's 2012 hopefuls – won approving words from New York Times columnist Frank Rich for his call to downplay divisive values issues. The party’s top elected leaders in Congress, meanwhile, spooked by being attacked as the “party of no,” were recasting themselves as a constructive, respectful opposition to a popular president.

But outside Washington, the reality is very different. Rank-and-file Republicans remain, by all indications, staunchly conservative, and they appear to have no desire to moderate their views. GOP activists and operatives say they hear intense anger at the White House and at the party’s own leaders on familiar issues – taxes, homosexuality, and immigration. Within the party, conservative groups have grown stronger absent the emergence of any organized moderate faction.

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TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
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To: Sub-Driver

We need some leaders along the lines of....B1 Bob.

I voted for the lesser of 2 evils last election,
really voted FOR Sarah.

I won’t again. Voting ‘lesser’ got us nowhere and it’s unlikely it can get worse.

From now on I vote my conscience, conservative.
Whether that’s Repub, Libertarian, Independent, Constitution and so on.

61 posted on 04/26/2009 10:25:58 AM PDT by Vinnie (You're Nobody 'Til Somebody Jihads You)
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To: hinckley buzzard

>”the Washingtonians”—denizens of the rarefied political heights of the Capitol District where similar tenacious, ‘rat-like political mutants dwell, and where they only talk to each other. These strange creatures actually are unaware that the earth revolves around the sun, not around them.

LOL - It’s true and funny at the same time. Just look at Murtah, Frank, Pelosi, Dodd or most of Congress [republicans included].It’s the “special privilege” / “I’m your superior” attitudes that I don’t like.

62 posted on 04/26/2009 10:36:39 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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"....and that is exactly why so many of us feel the GOP has lost it’s balls."<./b>
They had any?? There has not been a determined conservative mindset in the GOP since Ronald Reagan - remember how much of a trouncing he heaped upon the Dems in his second election? What was it...all but ONE state? I AM SICK AND TIRED OF HAVING TO ACCEPT THE LESSER OF TWO EVILS!!!

63 posted on 04/26/2009 10:37:50 AM PDT by Spacetrucker (I know who John Galt is...)
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To: Jim Noble

>Being AGAINST same sex “marriage” is a majority position, a winning issue, everywhere (including California!) that it has been subjected to a vote.
>How is moving to the losing side of an issue good advice for a party which is trying to GAIN rather than LOSE votes?

A very good point you bring up. I’m thinking it’s the idea of “repeat a big enough lie often enough and it becomes the truth” idea applied, not to reality, but in the assumptions that are presented.

64 posted on 04/26/2009 10:39:34 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: nhwingut
I doubt a million people know who Stacey is, but while Mark Levin is hardly a household name he's sold a million copies of Liberty and Tyranny (and counting) and the Legacy Media universally ignores this.

Denial among Democrats is crass but not unexpected. For Republican "leaders" to be similarly in denial is mind-boggling.

This is just some more "manufactured consensus." And seemingly centered on the poly-marriage, flying against a tide of evidence to the contrary, we're supposed to believe the position held by Barack Obama is the "divisive cultural issue" that keeps people from voting for Republcans?

Hogwash, pure and simple Barbara Streisand.

Someone had dropped a bankroll in the fringe Log Cabin coffers, I will bet you.

Because this is just flat-earth nonsense.

65 posted on 04/26/2009 10:50:22 AM PDT by Prospero (non est ad astra mollis e terris via)
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To: Spacetrucker

Agreed. Very agreed.

I'm a programmer, so I'm kind of big on the ideas of justice & logic: if you feed the same inputs to a function, you get the same results. Too much of government seems run not by justice, the "law"* /constitution, but by "feelings", populism, power-lust, and the whims of the bureaucrats.

* I say law in quotes because, as some have pointed out, Judges are no longer content to be referees applying the [same] law justly, evenly to all; but instead want to selectively apply the laws or redefine the meanings of words to suit their own policies.

66 posted on 04/26/2009 10:55:02 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Sub-Driver
"There is a sense of rebellion brewing," said Katon Dawson, the outgoing South Carolina Republican Party chairman, who cited unexpectedly high attendance at anti-tax “tea parties” last week.

Oh really? I thought it was just a few rag-tag extremists according to the MSM.

67 posted on 04/26/2009 11:18:25 AM PDT by Lorianne
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To: Diggity

I have to agree with you.

Rather than religion, I’d rather conservative focus on key moral issues, such as personal responsibility, truthfulness, integrity.

68 posted on 04/26/2009 11:22:44 AM PDT by Lorianne
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To: Sub-Driver to effectively channel the deep emotion of the base while tamping down its excesses.

Any RINO who thinks Conservatism is an 'excess' will earn my vocal and undying opposition.

We tried the McVain, 'moderate' way, republicanism once. How did that work out for ya ?.... idiots.

If the party goes that way once more, I will quit.

Nam Vet

69 posted on 04/26/2009 11:36:11 AM PDT by Nam Vet ("Any fool can make a rule, and any fool will mind it." .... Henry David Thoreau)
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To: Diggity

We need to get rid of as much of government as possible and reverse the Socialism that has crept into the system.

Forget religous issues. Its has been our doom.
Honestly, I have to agree with you. We need to take baby steps to get it back. I have many conservative friends that are pro-choice. They vote Republican every time, but many feel this issue is hurting the party. To halt the attack on religion we have to get back in the game. If we keep this up, we never will. Get in the game, then start repairing.

70 posted on 04/26/2009 11:36:28 AM PDT by mojitojoe ( Idiots elected a Marxist ideologue with narcissistic personality disorder & America is dying.)
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To: Sub-Driver
McCain's daughter is certainly not the spokesperson for the rank and file GOP members. How ridiculous. The MSM is trying to make her in the voice of the party. Certain groups are trying to hijack the party into what they think it should be.
71 posted on 04/26/2009 11:39:36 AM PDT by Uncle Hal
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To: Diggity

You’re making the mistake of confusing moral absolutes with religious hegemony.

That is exactly what the left and the Godless media would like you to do.

Being against illegitimacy, homosexual marriage, killing babies en utero, hard drug use etc has nothing to do with my Christianity other than that they do dovetail. Decent folks regardless of their religion know bad things when they see them...or they ought to.

Nor is being pro-gun, pro-war hawk, anti-Islamist, anti-envirowacko, anti-race/gender politics etc have anything to do with religion either.

BTW...Barry..bless his heart moved very much to the center as he aged....unfortunately

72 posted on 04/26/2009 11:50:01 AM PDT by wardaddy (You will not destroy our country without a fight replete with horror your naive ass cannot imagine)
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To: Diggity

Totally agree. The values issues belong at the local level. That is the way our country was founded.

73 posted on 04/26/2009 12:16:51 PM PDT by littlehouse36 (Obamanomics: Chains you can believe in.)
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To: Sub-Driver
We had eight years of moderation. His name is Bush. While Bush was good when it came to life issues, and slightly to the right of me on the gay issues, he was a liberal on fiscal issues outside of tax cuts. I supported tax cuts, but only with spending decreases.

The anger at Washington right now is because of spending. Now the "moderate" GOP wants to spend more? Go to hell, guys.

Right now we need to focus on less government, less government, and less government, in that order.

74 posted on 04/26/2009 12:29:48 PM PDT by Darren McCarty (Buckley, Brooks, Parker - You supported Obama, so shut up and take your screwing)
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To: Darren McCarty

Excellant point...unfortunately the prevailing mood among the DC Republican class is that YOU, me and the rest of the base are just a bunch of hayseeds that only need to coddled every election cycle. For years the base has been screaming but to no avail. The Republican in DC party and get their pics taken with the likes of Kennedy(surely a felony to most conservatives). Now a large portion of the base is staying home rather than support RINO scum.....just look at the results from the NC races. Dole was tossed out and soon the weasel lil dickie burr will be looking for a new job.

It’s time for a new day within the Republican party

75 posted on 04/26/2009 12:56:27 PM PDT by rrrod
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To: Nam Vet
We tried the McVain, 'moderate' way, republicanism once.

Actually, we tried it with Gerald Ford, George Bush I (in his re-election campaign), Bob Dole and John McCain plus Bush II tinkled away most of his term trying to be civil and reaching out to the opposition who, to show their gratitude, sandbagged him at every turn.

76 posted on 04/26/2009 1:03:35 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or, are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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To: Sub-Driver

MODERATES? What the heck is that? People with no values or ideas? People with no principles? We need to clean house. I don’t need to be led by people who disagree with me.

77 posted on 04/26/2009 1:32:40 PM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: Diggity
Barry Goldwater????

He was a useless pro-abort. His first wife, Peggy, was a long-time (35 years or more) national director of Planned Barrenhood (as was Bush I's mother). Barry bragged about taking his daughter Susan to abort her child. To a very large extent, Goldwater was a brain dead knee jerk libertarian and in his last term a not very honest one.

He was in love with the notion of letting his descendants (several of them) feel free to practice lavenderism and mouth off in favor of it publicly.

He stabbed Ronaldus Maximus in 1968 and again in 1976.

I am ashamed to admit that Goldwater made me a Republican when I was a gullible teenager. I recovered soon enough and realized that Reagan was by far a better man and leader.

We have long since kissed (kicked?) dead Barry goodbye and good riddance. Materialist obsession with money is not a cause particularly worth fighting for much less "the one issue and one only." Fiscal tightwadism is an acceptable part of a broader coalition but not in the absence of a far more essential dedication to innocent human life, marriage, morality, a militant military policy, etc.

Goldwaterism is dead as a doornail and a good thing too.

78 posted on 04/26/2009 2:05:49 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: YankeeReb

Politico calls the Utah Governor the “most devoted modernizer” among the party’s 2012 hopefuls. Modernization sounds so wonderful. Everything and everybody should be modernized!

But in fact RINO Huntsman and his new buddy Frank Rich are promoting social decay and decadence and redefining male-female marriage into oblivion.

Lenin and Stalin were modernizers. In the name of scientific Marxism, he tore down backward churches and ripped up Russian society by the roots.

Spare us from the modernizers!

79 posted on 04/26/2009 2:33:04 PM PDT by heye2monn
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To: From The Deer Stand
Trouble is the Republican Party doesn't realize this.

The problem is that these guys are humanists and materialists. Those guys all believe in what a famous Vietnam-era Democrat in the Johnson Administration said,

"When you've got them by the [expletive deleted], their hearts and minds will follow."

We all saw how well that worked out.

But that's how things always work out with people who don't believe anything. They can never get their arms around the idea that other people might actually believe things, and be willing to live and die by their beliefs.

80 posted on 04/26/2009 2:51:43 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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