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Posted on 04/26/2009 6:03:07 AM PDT by Sub-Driver
In GOP base, a 'rebellion brewing' By: Ben Smith and Jonathan Martin April 26, 2009 07:03 AM EST
A quick tour through the weeks headlines suggests the Republican Party is beginning to come to terms with the last election and that consensus is emerging among GOP elites that the party needs to move away from discordant social issues.
There was Sen. John McCain's daughter and his campaign manager who last week demanded that their fellow Republicans embrace same-sex marriage. Utah Gov. Jon Huntsman the most devoted modernizer among the party's 2012 hopefuls won approving words from New York Times columnist Frank Rich for his call to downplay divisive values issues. The partys top elected leaders in Congress, meanwhile, spooked by being attacked as the party of no, were recasting themselves as a constructive, respectful opposition to a popular president.
But outside Washington, the reality is very different. Rank-and-file Republicans remain, by all indications, staunchly conservative, and they appear to have no desire to moderate their views. GOP activists and operatives say they hear intense anger at the White House and at the partys own leaders on familiar issues taxes, homosexuality, and immigration. Within the party, conservative groups have grown stronger absent the emergence of any organized moderate faction.
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Perverted marriage has been overwhelmingly defeated by the voters in every single state that held referendum on the issue, Including MA and CA the two most liberal states in the Union, Yet, The RINO's would have you believe we must abandon the social conservatives if we want to win another election??? PURGE the RINO's!!!
Wait, let me fix this.
.....consensus is emerging among liberal democrats that the Republican party needs to move away from discordant social issues.
I'm sorry but Megan McCain doesn't speak for anyone in the party and she is little more than a useful idiot for the left. John McCain's campaign manger has little reason to be consulted on anything political after his debacle in the last election. Why would anyone assume that these idiots ought to be party leaders?
It hardly matters how Conservative the country is or isn’t. America is being redefined by the courts. Gay marriage will soon be the norm, thanks to the courts. Liberalism is spread this way as we all know. But, we Conservatives must no longer for any reason, throw our votes and our principles out the window on election day. The Republican Party is where it is because of us doing just that. The Party and the Politicians in it HAVE to be held accountable. Voting for a RINO is no longer an option(think John McCain). We have to elect those that have the same principles as those that send them to Washington.
GOP...is that some kind of organization or something? Sounds useless whatever it is.
The problem with the GOP is the elites and people like McCain. There is no leadership and no standing up for what is right. If the GOP wants back in power, which I doubt, they need to look back to Reagan.
More like a clone of Slick Willard. Creepy little RINO termite.
Did anyone ever come up with a good explanation of how John McCain ended up with the nomination? He was tied for last choice in my book.
Orrin Hatch hearts Holder
By Michelle Malkin
January 12, 2009 02:54 PM Hes been signaling it for weeks, but now its official: GOP Sen. Orrin Hatch will support AG nominee Eric Holders nomination. The Hill reports on the embrace. Hatch explains GOP leadership at work: I like Barack Obama and I want to help him if I can.
It wasn’t Republicans opposition to illegal immigration, or sexual activism (homosexuality, abortion, etc) that loses elections. These issues if anything have kept people in the party that would otherwise have left it do to the abandonment of fiscal conservatism. The GOP has lost because of a discordant message, the lifting up of marginally conservative candidates simply because they have money to run, the lack of a clear message that speaks to the people and speaks to the heart of problems not just on wallstreet but the ones in D.C. which people are extremely frustrated with. Conservatism should be a message of hope, strength, and courage. Messages that believe that the role of the government should be small so the role of the citizen can be great. That the individual sovereignity a citizen and their exercising of their consent without intimidation or manipulation by a government grown too big should be the goal. That every child should have the hope of having a Mom and Dad and that parents should put the interests of the children before their selfish ones not for religious purposes but because it is the best option for raising stable children.
That doesn’t mean that we have to tear down the imperfect realities of others but we should dare not lift them up as an example which is more and more the case and it has had dangerous consequences for our nation with greater rates of single motherhood, men taking less responsibility or desiring no responsibility for their children and individuals from these broken families have a direct line not to a future but instead a prison cell. It is not just a religious issue that the unborn and the infirm should be protected it is a human issue and when we don’t we set a tone of responsibility for those who are least capable of protecting themselves we set a tone that feeds an ugliness in society that leads to modes of thinking that say “people are disposable” and “responsibility is optional”. It sets us on the road to not the eugenic indifference of the past but one that is based on personal selfishness where at least those in the past had a misguide goal for the betterment of humanity today we offer millions of babies to be burned with the trash not so unlike the sacrifices at Carthage. We dig up those small bones in horror while today we accept as normal the on going horror of today.
As for illegal immigration it is an issue that immigrants and natives should be able to understand. It has been the insistence of casting the argument as an either or proposition that either you are pro immigrant or you are a bigot. What this accomplished for the GOP in trying to steam roll the perfectly reasonable idea that the law of the land should be enforced is that it cost it votes from conservatives and drove away some legal immigrant votes. The GOP should be the party of the rule of law and not just for the sake of the law but because it is good for this country and any country that wants to maintain its internal integrity. You can not have an endless flow of individuals that do not assimilate, tax existing social resources, and take jobs that should be reserved for legal residents. It was the moderates not the conservatives that started the stupid fight over immigration.
It is they as they always do who gladly take up the banner of the left when convenient and it is their lack of unity that continues to cause us to lose because we conservatives who make up the vast core of the party are not just religious we are principled which is why we often find ourselves at odds with individuals in our own party and we believe in the founding principles of this nation. The irony is that if the founding principles had been adhered to and if we didn’t have the monster government feeding our social ills by being the premier enabling parent and substitute father for millions we could open our borders more freely without worry but in United states of today we can’t because it grows a political underclass that votes not for knowledge of freedom and dignity but out of poverty and submission and allegiance to thieves in Washington D.C.
That said I believe that most self styled moderates are not moderate in politics at all they are simply moderately immature, stupid, and or unprincipled. If they don’t hold the constitution sacrosanct, they don’t believe in a smaller more citizen driven government, and they don’t respect the natural traditional values and responsibilities of the family, and they don’t respect the laws of the land concerning immigration then I ask how are they conservative or Republican at all?
We need some leaders along the lines of....B1 Bob.
I voted for the lesser of 2 evils last election,
really voted FOR Sarah.
I won’t again. Voting ‘lesser’ got us nowhere and it’s unlikely it can get worse.
From now on I vote my conscience, conservative.
Whether that’s Repub, Libertarian, Independent, Constitution and so on.
>”the Washingtonians”—denizens of the rarefied political heights of the Capitol District where similar tenacious, ‘rat-like political mutants dwell, and where they only talk to each other. These strange creatures actually are unaware that the earth revolves around the sun, not around them.
LOL - It’s true and funny at the same time. Just look at Murtah, Frank, Pelosi, Dodd or most of Congress [republicans included].It’s the “special privilege” / “I’m your superior” attitudes that I don’t like.
>Being AGAINST same sex “marriage” is a majority position, a winning issue, everywhere (including California!) that it has been subjected to a vote.
>How is moving to the losing side of an issue good advice for a party which is trying to GAIN rather than LOSE votes?
A very good point you bring up. I’m thinking it’s the idea of “repeat a big enough lie often enough and it becomes the truth” idea applied, not to reality, but in the assumptions that are presented.
Denial among Democrats is crass but not unexpected. For Republican "leaders" to be similarly in denial is mind-boggling.
This is just some more "manufactured consensus." And seemingly centered on the poly-marriage, flying against a tide of evidence to the contrary, we're supposed to believe the position held by Barack Obama is the "divisive cultural issue" that keeps people from voting for Republcans?
Hogwash, pure and simple Barbara Streisand.
Someone had dropped a bankroll in the fringe Log Cabin coffers, I will bet you.
Because this is just flat-earth nonsense.
Agreed. Very agreed.
I'm a programmer, so I'm kind of big on the ideas of justice & logic: if you feed the same inputs to a function, you get the same results. Too much of government seems run not by justice, the "law"* /constitution, but by "feelings", populism, power-lust, and the whims of the bureaucrats.
* I say law in quotes because, as some have pointed out, Judges are no longer content to be referees applying the [same] law justly, evenly to all; but instead want to selectively apply the laws or redefine the meanings of words to suit their own policies.
Oh really? I thought it was just a few rag-tag extremists according to the MSM.
I have to agree with you.
Rather than religion, I’d rather conservative focus on key moral issues, such as personal responsibility, truthfulness, integrity.
Any RINO who thinks Conservatism is an 'excess' will earn my vocal and undying opposition.
We tried the McVain, 'moderate' way, republicanism once. How did that work out for ya ?.... idiots.
If the party goes that way once more, I will quit.
We need to get rid of as much of government as possible and reverse the Socialism that has crept into the system.
Forget religous issues. Its has been our doom.
Honestly, I have to agree with you. We need to take baby steps to get it back. I have many conservative friends that are pro-choice. They vote Republican every time, but many feel this issue is hurting the party. To halt the attack on religion we have to get back in the game. If we keep this up, we never will. Get in the game, then start repairing.
You’re making the mistake of confusing moral absolutes with religious hegemony.
That is exactly what the left and the Godless media would like you to do.
Being against illegitimacy, homosexual marriage, killing babies en utero, hard drug use etc has nothing to do with my Christianity other than that they do dovetail. Decent folks regardless of their religion know bad things when they see them...or they ought to.
Nor is being pro-gun, pro-war hawk, anti-Islamist, anti-envirowacko, anti-race/gender politics etc have anything to do with religion either.
BTW...Barry..bless his heart moved very much to the center as he aged....unfortunately
Totally agree. The values issues belong at the local level. That is the way our country was founded.
The anger at Washington right now is because of spending. Now the "moderate" GOP wants to spend more? Go to hell, guys.
Right now we need to focus on less government, less government, and less government, in that order.
Excellant point...unfortunately the prevailing mood among the DC Republican class is that YOU, me and the rest of the base are just a bunch of hayseeds that only need to coddled every election cycle. For years the base has been screaming but to no avail. The Republican in DC party and get their pics taken with the likes of Kennedy(surely a felony to most conservatives). Now a large portion of the base is staying home rather than support RINO scum.....just look at the results from the NC races. Dole was tossed out and soon the weasel lil dickie burr will be looking for a new job.
It’s time for a new day within the Republican party
Actually, we tried it with Gerald Ford, George Bush I (in his re-election campaign), Bob Dole and John McCain plus Bush II tinkled away most of his term trying to be civil and reaching out to the opposition who, to show their gratitude, sandbagged him at every turn.
MODERATES? What the heck is that? People with no values or ideas? People with no principles? We need to clean house. I don’t need to be led by people who disagree with me.
He was a useless pro-abort. His first wife, Peggy, was a long-time (35 years or more) national director of Planned Barrenhood (as was Bush I's mother). Barry bragged about taking his daughter Susan to abort her child. To a very large extent, Goldwater was a brain dead knee jerk libertarian and in his last term a not very honest one.
He was in love with the notion of letting his descendants (several of them) feel free to practice lavenderism and mouth off in favor of it publicly.
He stabbed Ronaldus Maximus in 1968 and again in 1976.
I am ashamed to admit that Goldwater made me a Republican when I was a gullible teenager. I recovered soon enough and realized that Reagan was by far a better man and leader.
We have long since kissed (kicked?) dead Barry goodbye and good riddance. Materialist obsession with money is not a cause particularly worth fighting for much less "the one issue and one only." Fiscal tightwadism is an acceptable part of a broader coalition but not in the absence of a far more essential dedication to innocent human life, marriage, morality, a militant military policy, etc.
Goldwaterism is dead as a doornail and a good thing too.
Politico calls the Utah Governor the “most devoted modernizer” among the party’s 2012 hopefuls. Modernization sounds so wonderful. Everything and everybody should be modernized!
But in fact RINO Huntsman and his new buddy Frank Rich are promoting social decay and decadence and redefining male-female marriage into oblivion.
Lenin and Stalin were modernizers. In the name of scientific Marxism, he tore down backward churches and ripped up Russian society by the roots.
Spare us from the modernizers!
The problem is that these guys are humanists and materialists. Those guys all believe in what a famous Vietnam-era Democrat in the Johnson Administration said,
"When you've got them by the [expletive deleted], their hearts and minds will follow."
We all saw how well that worked out.
But that's how things always work out with people who don't believe anything. They can never get their arms around the idea that other people might actually believe things, and be willing to live and die by their beliefs.
You err, friend. You imagine they care about messages. They don't.
You smell more than that from them. You should have listened as their swinish talking-head ripped up Sarah Palin after her debate. I've got five bucks says the guy was (is) homosexual. The fiercest Bush-bashers usually were. One guy on FR did a lot of Googling on the names of rabid Bush bashers a few years ago and bracketed the names with "gay" in his search. He found tons of references to their being actually gay. Mystery solved.
A docent who once led a museum tour of a celebrated exhibition from ancient Carthage showed us some of the remains from the Tophet, the place where the child-immolations occurred and the children's bones were buried after they'd been sacrificed to Melqart. She said that the little public area they had come from, on the Byrsa near the temple complex, was "the saddest place on earth."
Wonder if she got it?
The GOP is doomed unless it expels the RINOs that have crippled it.
the mccains sux. sic.
Goldwater's exculpation and defense of his homosexual relatives didn't occur until later. If they'd been gay before he ran for President, Lyndon Johnson would have made sure that every deacon and tent-preacher in America knew about it -- he once told John Connally and the rest of his staff (as Robert Caro tells us) to circulate the rumor that senatorial primary campaign opponent "Coke" Stevenson was a pedophile. Big John bridled, "Lyndon, you know that isn't true!" "I know," replied Lyndon, getting a hateful, cynical-clever look on his ugly face, "I just want to hear him say it."
LBJ would have advertised Goldwater's relatives to the four corners of the earth. Goldwater, on the other hand, when LBJ aide Walter Jenkins was caught cruising in a D.C. men's room, wouldn't touch it. He took the high road and passed up a good opportunity to perforate LBJ's holier-than-thou, above-the-battle posture.
Social conservatives, btw, trace their involvement with the GOP back to a speech Goldwater made in May, 1964, during the primary campaign about what is called today the "family values" cluster.
So Goldwater was indeed a libertarian, as you say, but he also had a socially-conservative message that was at odds with what the selective "economic conservative" RiNO"s of today propagate as "the message" of the GOP.
Moral issues are taught in the home and church and are not the domain of government or to be concerned with by politicians.
The ONLY issues we have that we need to address is runaway socialism, government spending, immigration and protecting the country.
Leave what belongs to God to God.
poor argument..we legislate all sorts of behavior, we have to
all civilizations have
otherwise it would be pandemonium
why have laws then?, let the church teach folks not to steal or murder...shucks that will stop it
*non- Randian ...obviously right?
Looks like some Republicans would rather tell someone how to run their life then protect the constitution.
Enjoy Obama. He will be just the first to come if its not stopped begining in 2010.
Within the party, conservative groups have grown stronger absent the emergence of any organized moderate faction.”
This is a good sign, and indicative of rallying the base in the way Reagan did. Who will step up nationally to do so? 2010 comes first however.
“Just imagine what we could do if we had a leader”
Yes, we need leadership, but I do like what people were talking about at the Deleware state level races, in terms of developing new political blood through pro baseball’s farm teams concept. We need to build the conservative movement state by state. True leaders will emerge from this just like stars emerge in baseball. We can’t just sit back and wish and hope and pray that someone will lead us out of the wilderness. I know all of us are doing what we can locally. In my view, that is the long term battleground - and yet we all face the near term battles of 2010 and 2012 also.
A rebellion? I would hope so.
Since 2006 I have not given a dime to the GOP in any fashion, either thru the RNC or contributions to any republican candidates. But I am still on all the mailing lists and always return any postage paid envelopes empty.
The GOP and the Republican party are dead to me. Worthless, useless, gutless, having no discernable principles, and no spine to stand for any even if they did.
If Conservatives reassert themselves and take control, and the McCain/Specter/Snowe disease is purged from the party, then I may reconsider.
Who do they think is RUNNING the party?
Read the rest of the article.
Again, read the rest of the article.
READ THE ARTICLE!!!!
There was a very good reason Newt was able to toss Bob Michael out on his ear, and a very bad reason Bob liked things just the way they were...how did Newt forget that?