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Posted on 04/26/2009 8:19:09 AM PDT by Lloyd Marcus

As in the Civil War, the Obama administration is straining relationships. Here is my letter to Al (not his real name) a fellow black, long time friend and mentor. Dear Al, I didn't pick up when you called because I don't know how you will re-act to what is going on in my life. I've become famous for my “American Tea Party Anthem” which opposes the policies of Obama. I know you're a HUGE Obama fan and believe ALL who oppose him are evil. So, you can understand how I find myself in an awkward position. I'm totally accepting of your feelings of support for the president. Can you accept my disapproval of his policies which I believe to be wrong for America? As friends of 30 years, can we agree to disagree? God bless, Lloyd

Folks, are you finding yourselves in similar situations? How are you dealing with it?

Lloyd Marcus


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As in the Civil War, the Obama administration is straining relationships. Here is my letter to Al (not his real name) a fellow black, long time friend and mentor. Dear Al, I didn't pick up when you called because I don't know how you will re-act to what is going on in my life. I've become famous for my “American Tea Party Anthem” which opposes the policies of Obama. I know you're a HUGE Obama fan and believe ALL who oppose him are evil. So, you can understand how I find myself in an awkward position. I'm totally accepting of your feelings of support for the president. Can you accept my disapproval of his policies which I believe to be wrong for America? As friends of 30 years, can we agree to disagree? God bless, Lloyd

Folks, are you finding yourselves in similar situations? How are you dealing with it?

Lloyd Marcus

1 posted on 04/26/2009 8:19:10 AM PDT by Lloyd Marcus
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To: Lloyd Marcus

You are lucky it’s only a friend. My mom had an obama sign in her yard, thinks abortion is OK and blames Pres. Bush for the trillions of dollars of government waste. We just don’t talk about politics at all to save our family relationship.


2 posted on 04/26/2009 8:23:37 AM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like what you say))
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To: freeangel

I am in the same situation with my brother. We usually have a great time talking about the politics of the day, but now we do not talk about it.


3 posted on 04/26/2009 8:26:31 AM PDT by waxer1 ( "The Bible is the rock on which our republic rests." -Andrew Jackson)
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To: freeangel
I feel for you,or anyone, who has a family member who thinks it is fine to kill babies.

I seem to remember that Jesus said brother would be against brother because of Him.

4 posted on 04/26/2009 8:28:44 AM PDT by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a credit card?)
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To: Lloyd Marcus

Lloyd, I really like your TEA Party anthem.

That being said, I haven’t lost any long term friendships over this, but have had heated disagreements with a potential son-in-law over Obama.

We haven’t spoken since the election when he couldn’t wait to gloat over the results.

At the time, he said he couldn’t wait for his personal comp plans to thrive again, now that Obama was elected.

I’m sitting back quietly waiting for his admission that his selection was due to ‘white guilt’ and that he, like the main media, never looked into what Obama stood for.

It may never come, but I bet those “personal comp plans” have yet to “thrive.”

With the desire to prosecute the last administration, I’m afraid this straining of America is only going to get worse.

This is not a racial matter and the turning it into one is contributing to the straining.

Obama is not a uniter but a divider.


5 posted on 04/26/2009 8:30:03 AM PDT by DakotaRed (Don't you wish you had supported a conservative when you had the chance?)
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To: Lloyd Marcus

My recommendation.............don’t even talk politics with your close friends. I have a good friend of over 40 years. We have never talked politics and never will. I don’t even know where he stands on anything political. Our friendship is to important to get into a disagreement over something that will change in time. If you really value that friendship, let politics go by the wayside and talk about the weather, talk about his health, talk about the up coming State Fair. Enjoy that friendship because one of these days, one of you will be gone and the memories will last forever.


6 posted on 04/26/2009 8:31:37 AM PDT by RC2 (FREEDOM)
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To: Lloyd Marcus

Socialists in my life know to shut their mouths around me. I make sure there is a price to pay for bothering me with their religion.


7 posted on 04/26/2009 8:34:27 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: Lloyd Marcus

You, sir, are a courageous human being.


8 posted on 04/26/2009 8:34:59 AM PDT by lady lawyer
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To: Lloyd Marcus
My wife an I got into it during a Thanksgiving family meal with one of her sister's husband. He was startled by our forceful arguments and views against BO. Am looking forward to the July Fourth family BBQ.

We are not going to be quiet anymore! We are not letting anti-American, anti-Military, anti-Right comments go unchallenged!

Bring it on. We have been quiet to long.

9 posted on 04/26/2009 8:41:03 AM PDT by richiep (Richie)
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To: hoosierham

The really sad part is that she is a “catholic” who raised 6 kids. And I remember her distress at finding out whe was pregnant with my youngest sister. I’ve often wanted to ask her which one of us she would have aborted, but at least, until now have held my tongue.


10 posted on 04/26/2009 8:43:15 AM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like what you say))
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To: Lloyd Marcus

My boss is an Obama supporter. We really only talk about work or the weather these days.


11 posted on 04/26/2009 8:44:23 AM PDT by trimom
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To: Lloyd Marcus
We just don't talk politics, or at least avoid it, but in candid, close friendships it's practically impossible not to slip sometimes, especially for liberals ... but it's an elephant in the room. Some very close friends we love very much, and it's mutual, are typical Republican Derangement Syndrome liberals. They read the LA Times, watch CNN and MSNBC, and seriously think they're informed. They are totally uncritical of their news sources and think Fox and its viewers are tools of facism.

Lloyd, the saddest part is that no matter how much we pretend the tension isn't there, it's always right at the edge. We pretend to be easy in our friendship ... but mutual contempt is never far from the surface. The saddest, hardest, worst part is that our leftist friends, like your very appropriate comparision to the Civil War days, are putting themselves in the way of being our enemies, threatening our lives and freedom, if not directly, then indirectly by siding with or reporting to oppressive government authorities their suspicions. Brother against brother, friend against friend. That, for me, is the most difficult aspect to anticipate.

I guess all we can do is wait for those friends to "come home," grieve if they choose to remain in the wrong, and pray for guidance in how we deal with new enemies who have been old friends.

12 posted on 04/26/2009 8:46:01 AM PDT by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent.)
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To: Lloyd Marcus

I’ve never bought into the whole “agree to disagree” thing.


13 posted on 04/26/2009 8:47:22 AM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: freeangel

My mom, a conservative all her life, was convinced by my sister to vote obama, she still thinks he’s a wonderful man
but the other day she started telling me how she had heard
on the news about some threat to the second amendment and
that,”but, isn’t that unconstitutional?”, I told her,
“Mom, I tried to warn you.”


14 posted on 04/26/2009 8:50:41 AM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Lloyd Marcus
No, I am not in your situation.

I may have to work with liberals/socialists, may have some as relatives, but they are DEFINITELY not my friends.

For me, friends must share the most or all of my values. I am polite to liberals/socialists, but it is only a facade. I will not be friends with someone who supports abortion on demand, government control over our businesses and lives, gun control, is anti-Constitution, and believes we “owe” more taxes to support people who birth children out of wedlock, refuse free education, etc etc.

15 posted on 04/26/2009 8:52:00 AM PDT by Tahoe3002 (Politicians = Proof Positive that Crime does Pay.)
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To: Lloyd Marcus

I stopped “backing-off to be polite and avoid confrontation” about 2 years ago. I don’t let any liberal statement made in my presence go without my comment. I’ve found that if you speak up with some conviction and force in your voice, the other side will back-off.

In addition to not having to say to yourself later that you wished you would have spoken up, there’s a self-satisifying smugness that comes over you when the other side shuts up.


16 posted on 04/26/2009 8:52:15 AM PDT by black_diamond
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To: Tahoe3002
I may have to work with liberals/socialists, may have some as relatives, but they are DEFINITELY not my friends. For me, friends must share the most or all of my values. I am polite to liberals/socialists, but it is only a facade. I will not be friends with someone who supports abortion on demand, government control over our businesses and lives, gun control, is anti-Constitution, and believes we “owe” more taxes to support people who birth children out of wedlock, refuse free education, etc etc.

I think that in times to come, more and more of us are going to have to face up to the truth of what you say. The Civil War sadly proved that just because someone is or has been a social friend or is a relative, doesn't preclude them from being enemies who must be defeated. I think you're right about the wisdom of tightening standards for "friends." More and more, I think so.

17 posted on 04/26/2009 8:56:52 AM PDT by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent.)
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To: black_diamond

I support the Constitution, as written. Therefore, I support the First Amendment guarantee of Free Speech. BUT there is no guarantee to a Free Audience.
(I strongly disagree that Flag burning is an expression of Free Speech.)

I usually warn people not to bring up the subject of politics, as I am %^%*^*&&^ mad with both the democrats and republican parties.


18 posted on 04/26/2009 8:59:29 AM PDT by Tahoe3002 (Politicians = Proof Positive that Crime does Pay.)
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To: Tahoe3002
I will not be friends with someone who supports abortion on demand, government control over our businesses and lives, gun control, is anti-Constitution, and believes we “owe” more taxes to support people who birth children out of wedlock, refuse free education, etc etc.

Hell yeah!! Nobody who is a liberal is capable of really being a friend anyway, IMHO. They really are psychotic. Mike Savage is right - liberalism IS a mental disorder.

19 posted on 04/26/2009 8:59:34 AM PDT by Hardastarboard (I long for the days when advertisers didn't constantly ask about the health of my genital organs.)
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To: richiep
Bring it on. We have been quiet too long.

Agreed. That's why I've altered my business website to reflect my values. Silence now is death later.

I've had complaints and kudos alike. I had one guy say that he'd do business with me because he was glad to see someone stand up for America.

20 posted on 04/26/2009 9:12:56 AM PDT by Noumenon (As long as I have a rifle, I STILL have a vote...)
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To: Lloyd Marcus

A liberal friend of mine found something wrong with everything George Bush did for eight solid years. Not only did he disagree with every single thing President Bush said, he insulted him personally as well. Now the worm has turned and I don’t intend to miss a chance to do the same for the next four years. Every dog has his (or her) day.


21 posted on 04/26/2009 9:14:13 AM PDT by KarinG1 (You're just jealous because the voices don't talk to you.)
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To: Lloyd Marcus
God bless you for your work, your commitment and for your resolve. You are most definitely NOT alone.

See my business website. It's cost me some business, but it's also brought me some as well.

22 posted on 04/26/2009 9:15:28 AM PDT by Noumenon (As long as I have a rifle, I STILL have a vote...)
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To: Noumenon

What a guy, what a website! You’ve got real guts. My favorite line: “Silence now is death later.”


23 posted on 04/26/2009 9:31:07 AM PDT by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent.)
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To: Finny

It’s not so much a matter of guts but a sense of self-preservation. If we don’t draw that line in the sand and stick to it, the alternative won’t be pleasant. History is my witness.


24 posted on 04/26/2009 9:45:43 AM PDT by Noumenon (As long as I have a rifle, I STILL have a vote...)
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To: Tahoe3002

I agree. I could never be a friend to a Nazi who supported killing of the Jews. Most Nazis never killed Jews but supported it.


25 posted on 04/26/2009 9:47:59 AM PDT by rcofdayton
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To: black_diamond
I stopped “backing-off to be polite and avoid confrontation” about 2 years ago. I don’t let any liberal statement made in my presence go without my comment. I’ve found that if you speak up with some conviction and force in your voice, the other side will back-off. In addition to not having to say to yourself later that you wished you would have spoken up, there’s a self-satisifying smugness that comes over you when the other side shuts up.

I am with you. I take it even further -- I think we have a duty to speak out. Loudly. So that others gain courage to speak out themselves -- so many have been duped by the media illusion that Obama supporters aren't the minority, when they are: Democrats have to cheat to win (multiple voting, registering mentally ill, elderly, and felons and "helping" them vote for the Democrat, manipulative redistricting to ensure Democrat representation that would probably not occur otherwise, for example) because they wouldn't get enough votes otherwise.

Mainstream culture and media have the right so convinced that they're not the majority that they meekly submit and grumble, "Well, I guess enough stupid people voted for Obama ...." when NO, enough failed to materialize -- it's why the Dems had to and have to cheat. Al Franken, anyone?

THEREFORE, it is our patriotic duty as Americans to speak up loudly in, say, the grocery store or a coffee shop, when someone makes a liberal statement. We must reveal the real dynamics as opposed to the false image presented by the media. We are the majority. Today, silence may very well be more cowardice than prudence; we remain politely silent at our peril. People gain courage and strength in numbers.

I'm with you. It's time to SPEAK OUT when the challenge presents itself.

26 posted on 04/26/2009 9:51:12 AM PDT by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent.)
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To: Finny
I take it even further -- I think we have a duty to speak out. Loudly.

Been there. Done that. Even since before I signed up here. It's even been why I've occasionally gotten side-lined for bucking the Party line when it strays off message.

We KNOW what's Right. We should never be afraid to STAND OUR GROUND and defend it.

If you cant' defend your stance, then maybe you need to check your principles. I check mine quite often to make sure I'm still "calibrated" and in-line with the Founding Fathers vision of what our Country could be...

27 posted on 04/26/2009 10:02:21 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (III)
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To: Lloyd Marcus

I just ask them how that “Hope and Change” is working out for everyone they know? It usually stops the conversation...which is the best you can hope for.

Last week I sat through a online social media marketing presentation with the featured speaker being a gal hugely responsible for the execution of Obama’s online social media strategies.

McCain did not have a chance because first of all who he is, but second, because Obama’s social media strategy was from a marketing perspective so well executed.

The thing that came through more than anything was just how absolutely craven (tell them whatever they want to hear) Obama’s politically savvy tactics were with whatever demographic someone fit into. He is continuing that tactic today. They were and are still banking on friendly support from the media to give them “air cover.” They understood that without that air cover their “be all things to all people” tactic would not work.


28 posted on 04/26/2009 10:05:56 AM PDT by kimoajax (Rack'em & Stack'em)
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To: Lloyd Marcus

Good for you, Lloyd. Btw, your song is wonderful. Keep up your good work for America.


29 posted on 04/26/2009 10:17:29 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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To: Noumenon
"See my business website. It's cost me some business, but it's also brought me some as well.

OUTSTANDING!

30 posted on 04/26/2009 10:29:42 AM PDT by Desron13 (If you constantly vote between the lesser of two evils then evil is your ultimate destination.)
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To: kimoajax
kimoajax said: "McCain did not have a chance because first of all who he is, but second, because Obama’s social media strategy was from a marketing perspective so well executed."

If by "well executed" you mean through lies of omission and misrepresentation, then I agree.

One of the prime examples was the media portraying Obama as a supporter of the Second Amendment. This was a useful political lie, but a lie nonetheless. If Obama could eliminate the Second Amendment, he would in a heartbeat.

31 posted on 04/26/2009 10:33:04 AM PDT by William Tell
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To: Noumenon
That's why I've altered my business website to reflect my values.

Wow! My hat is off to you sir!

32 posted on 04/26/2009 10:46:22 AM PDT by houeto (Defang the FEDGOV. Repeal the 17th!)
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To: Lloyd Marcus

Lose one false friend and find 100 true friends ... right here on Free Republic! :)


33 posted on 04/26/2009 10:55:22 AM PDT by The Duke (I have met the enemy, and he is named 'Apathy'!)
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To: black_diamond
I’ve found that if you speak up with some conviction and force in your voice, the other side will back-off.

Yeah, that's something I've noticed also - they fold like a tent when confronted. I think they've gotten used to conservatives being so browbeaten that they are shocked into silence when somebody mentions the emperor has no clothes.

34 posted on 04/26/2009 11:03:16 AM PDT by Oatka ("A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." –Bertrand de Jouvenel)
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To: Lloyd Marcus

My relationship with my entire extended family has become strained since GW first ran for the presidency, and I made it clear to everyone that I was done voting for Democrats.

Through the eight years of George Bush, it became worse and worse, though we never completely cut communications with each other.

However, the ‘08 presidential campaign was finally “the straw that broke the camel’s back” for them (and for myself, somewhat). Our philosophical divisions have become so great that they now supersede our blood ties.

I’ve finally been relegated to “crazy old uncle” status, or something like that. I’m fairly ostracized from the clan at this point. Some of my familial connections are entirely broken, while others are diminished to the very infrequent and meaningless email.

They see me now as a traitor to my race, and as someone who’s fallen prey to the “haters” and “right-wing extremists”. I’m now in the “enemy” camp, as far as they’re concerned.

For my part, I view them the exact same way, except that I realize that they only bear allegiance to the left because of their lifelong indoctrination and steady ingestion of leftist misinformation. I feel sorry for them, more than anything else.


35 posted on 04/26/2009 1:38:06 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Tahoe3002

Amen! That makes 2 of us.


36 posted on 04/26/2009 3:28:04 PM PDT by grovelandgal
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To: Lloyd Marcus

In the last few weeks, I’ve started completely avoiding discussing such things with loved ones who are of differing opinions. Should they start going on about emperor bammy, it’s time to change the subject or more likely, leave.

We’re facing the ever increasing possibility of seeing brother against brother and it makes me sick just thinking about it.


37 posted on 04/26/2009 3:42:55 PM PDT by Dr.Zoidberg (Warning: Sarcasm/humor is always engaged. Failure to recognize this may lead to misunderstandings.)
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To: Lloyd Marcus
You'll appreciate this one:

Got a call from a man who had seen my website and liked it. He's one of those North Idaho snowbirds - likes to pack up the RV and head for AZ in the winter. Owned a grocery and liquor store in Priest Lake for the last 27 years. Nice guy.

He had contacted a StarBand dealer in AZ to get service down there and for some additional gear for installation up here. The AZ dealer found my business website while she was searching for a local dealer to do an install. Well, she told my customer that, "He's an Obama hater - don't do business with him!"

He had a good chuckle over that, and told me that he was going to do business with me because he liked the fact that I was standing up for America.

A few days later, he called back, gave me the business and said that he had canceled the deal with the AZ Obama-lover. When he told the AZ Obamunist that he was going with my outfit, she flipped out and screamed that I was a racist.

To which he responded, "No - I think he's an American." And hung up on her.

38 posted on 05/01/2009 5:14:37 AM PDT by Noumenon (As long as I have a rifle, I STILL have a vote...)
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To: Dr.Zoidberg

The battle lines will run through people’s living rooms - just as they did during our last Civil War.

And that war is coming. Make no mistake about it.


39 posted on 05/01/2009 5:16:14 AM PDT by Noumenon (As long as I have a rifle, I STILL have a vote...)
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To: Noumenon

usff.com


40 posted on 05/01/2009 5:19:58 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Nemo me impune lacessit)
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To: mad_as_he$$

Well done. Timeless wisdom. Unfortunately, we are going to have to fight another Civil War to re-establish it.


41 posted on 05/01/2009 5:37:24 AM PDT by Noumenon (As long as I have a rifle, I STILL have a vote...)
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