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To: SampleMan
So if they are just planning the attack

If they are planning an attack, then they are criminals. If they happen to have talked to someone who shares a religion or political ideology with some planning an attack, that's different.

So people dedicated to freedom are zealots if they are serious about it? Again, think about that.

Strawman.

"Feel" isn't proof. There was absolute proof that the USSR was actively putting together fifth columns world wide and in the United States. Many of these people had already committed treason. There was a clear and purposeful threat to overthrow the Constitution.

We destroyed communism in the USSR with effective foreign policy. But we also destroyed communism in the USSR with blue jeans and rock and roll. The HUAC did nothing to fight communism. And neither did McCarthy's witch hunt.

We fought WARS against communism and it did nothing to slow it down. We embargoed communist countries, and those countries are still communist. Capitalism works. Communism does not. That's how you defeat communism. Not with statism.
33 posted on 04/26/2009 4:40:20 PM PDT by mysterio
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To: mysterio
If they are planning an attack, then they are criminals. If they happen to have talked to someone who shares a religion or political ideology with some planning an attack, that's different.

So billions of foreign dollars brought in to create Wahibism and to fight a propaganda war against our Republican form of government doesn't concern you. I don't share your view. When the entire underlying philosophy is to crush our system, then the entire philosophy is open to examination and at the very least deserves to be put before the public. People who simply supply the money or make the excuses are still part of the movement.

It is possible for a country to protect itself without being a police state.

We destroyed communism in the USSR with effective foreign policy. But we also destroyed communism in the USSR with blue jeans and rock and roll. The HUAC did nothing to fight communism. And neither did McCarthy's witch hunt.

Not quite, but let's run with it. McCarthy cleansed the State Department of a large number of communists set on subversively defeating our foreign policy. Read up on it.

We fought WARS against communism and it did nothing to slow it down.

Wrong. It stopped its spread. The dominoes in fact were held up and didn't continue to fall. We gave ground, but those wars in Korea, Vietnam, Africa, and Central America all served to hold the line. Based on the same lack of total victory, would you say that the wars against Islam did nothing to protect Europe?

Capitalism works. Communism does not. That's how you defeat communism. Not with statism.

If what worked won out of its own merit, we wouldn't be in the fight we are in now for this country. The idea that we need not concern ourselves with subversive movements that seek to derail our institutions and destroy us from within is a bit naive.

35 posted on 04/27/2009 5:52:25 AM PDT by SampleMan (Socialism enslaves you & kills your soul.)
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