Skip to comments.The Torture Controversy
Posted on 04/27/2009 2:04:24 AM PDT by Scanian
Amidst the huge controversy surrounding the story on the so-called torture memos, the bedrock issues are being almost entirely ignored in favor of political theater. And the potential for harm is enormous.
After promising not to indulge in revenge politics like some downscale banana republic after a change in leadership, President Obama suddenly decided to do exactly that, opening the way for prosecution of Bush Administration officials based on the release of some previously classified memos regarding what are referred to as 'enhanced interrogation techniques' like waterboarding.
This is something new in American politics, something we haven't seen before. Even after the Civil War and Lincoln's assassination, Jefferson Davis was never tried for treason and got off with a short spell of imprisonment at Fort Monroe. Former Union Army officers who fought on the rebel side like Robert E. Lee or James Longstreet were never even tried or imprisoned at all, and even a revenge crazed Congress under control of the Radical Republicans never considered it.
A responsible Chief Executive with an honest disagreement on a previous national security policy would have issued confidential guidelines to the agencies concerned about changes he wanted implemented. But Obama obviously has decided to throw some red meat to his angry left base in the form of a few Bush Administration Justice department lawyers and functionaries.
I'm not sure he realizes that the witch-hunt can hardly stop there. What about the senior members of the Bush Administration who knew what was going on? For that matter, what about Ex-President and ex-Vice president Bush and Cheney? Are we going to haul them into court?
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Obama is doubtless giving a lot of more moderate Democrats an apoplexy with this sop to the Huffington Post, Daily Kos and Democratic Underground. There’s no way he can get off this tiger without it eating him and those around him.
Oh and I’m waiting for someone to call this Torturegate.
WEEKLY STANDARD.com: "PREENING & POSTURING Throwing those who guard us while we sleep to the wolves." by William Kristol (SNIPPET: "The dark and painful chapter we have to fear is rather the one President Obama may be ushering in. This would be a chapter in which politicians preen moralistically as they throw patriotic officials, who helped keep this country safe, to the wolves, and in which national leaders posture politically while endangering the nation's security. The preening is ridiculous, even by the standards of contemporary American politics and American liberalism. Obama fatuously asserts there are no real choices in the real world, just "false choices" that he can magically resolve. He foolishly suggests that even in war we would never have to do anything disagreeable for the sake of our security. He talks baby talk to intelligence officers: "Don't be discouraged that we have to acknowledge potentially we've made some mistakes. Thats how we learn."") (May 4, 2009 Issue)
WEEKLY STANDARD.com - blog: "GOSS: OBAMA DECISION "CROSSED A RED LINE"" -Posted by Stephen F. Hayes (SNIPPET: "Porter Goss, former CIA Director and past chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, blasted the Obama administration for releasing Justice Department memos on harsh interrogation techniques. "For the first time in my experience we've crossed the red line of properly protecting our national security in order to gain partisan political advantage," Goss said in an interview.") (April 23, 2009, 1:53 pm)
CNN.com: Washington - "EX-CIA CHIEF: OBAMA RISKS NATIONAL SECURITY" (SNIPPET: "A former head of the CIA slammed President Obama on Sunday for releasing four Bush-era memos, saying the new president has compromised national security.") (Updated April 19, 2009, 7:44 p.m. EDT)
Online.WSJ.com: "THE PRESIDENT TIES HIS OWN HANDS ON TERROR The point of interrogation is intelligence, not confession." by Michael Hayden and Michael B. Mukasey (April 17, 2009)
CIA.gov: "MESSAGE FROM THE DIRECTOR: RELEASE OF DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE OPINIONS Statement to Employees by Director of the Central Intelligence Agency Leon E. Panetta on the Release of Department of Justice Opinions" (April 16, 2009)
FOX NEWS.com: "EX-CIA CHIEF CRITICIZES RELEASE OF INTERROGATION MEMOS Former CIA Director Michael Hayden says release of the memos will give terrorists a precise guide for what to expect in a CIA interrogation if those methods are ever approved for use again" (April 16, 2009)
FOX NEWS.com: "OBAMA MAY RELEASE DETAILS OF CIA's INTERROGATION METHODS USED ON TERROR SUSPECTS" by Brit Hume (SNIPPET: "The president's decision will tell us much about him.") (April 15, 2009)
This is so disgusting.
I hope Cheney gets his request and the fuller picture brought to the public eye.
Even without those numbers it is glaringly obvious that the worst “torture” was intensely focused upon a handful (3) of Gitmo prisoners who had every reason to expect it and could have easily avoided it either by truly telling all or by clamming up from the getgo. They bragged of broad knowledge of vaster plans than 9/11, then smirked. It was soak, wring, rinse, repeat with these guys, while our spies busily ferreted out the new links.
I’m tempted to say that the Obamanoids should bring on the show trials because they’ll be shown to be the petty, vindictive twits that we conservatives know they are. But the trials would distract the public from all the destructive economic and social legislation that the administration will work overtime to sneak through Congress while the the people’s attention is otherwise occupied.
Most of this spending won’t kick in for years and could be conceivably backed out by a 2010 Congress. The torture tiger, on the other hand, is getting hungry and it moves quickly. I say let’s put the spotlight on the tiger.
Mention is made of this tactic of harassing former leaders in the manner of a third world country.
Check out Obama. he is a third world President. His background in Indonesia and his birth in Kenya . Obama isnt an American president.His only connection to America is through a white American socialist mother who was checking out the rumor that black men were heavy hung.
What more can you expect but third world tactics, from a third world President.
I agree with you. Let’s spotlight this investigation. When the public sees how fairly suspects were treated, and how much valuable information was obtained, it will be a huge boost for the Republicans.
The dems are making it sound like Bush/Cheney were breaking the law and then trying to cover it up by classifying all information about the program. Let the truth shine forth—it will make those who love America proud.
We came closer than many remember. I'm not up on the details of the moment, but it reached the point that U.S. Grant travelled to Washington and told the radicals that he would resign from the army and oppose them in the political arena if they proceeded with treason trials.
The immediate issue was that Lee and the other senior ANV officers had signed Grant's parole, which stipulated that they could return home and live undisturbed by federal authorities as long as they obeyed the law. Any action against Lee, et.al, would be a repudiation of Grant's articles of surrender, and Grant found that intolerable. And as a practical matter, if the radicals couldn't prosecute Lee, they couldn't prosecute any of the lesser rebels, which is why Jefferson Davis is the only Confederate leader who was in jeopardy.
“white American socialist mother who was checking out the rumor that black men were heavy hung”
I love it! An ineligible commie prez who is the product of bed-hopping by a Beat Generation red-diaper airhead with jungle fever.
You have collected a lot of great headlines. Thanks for your work and yes, post it every where it fits. People need to know.
If anything could make me actually feel sorry for Nancy Pelosi, this is it.