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Are 'No-Fail' Grading Systems Hurting or Helping Students?
FoxNews ^ | Monday, April 27, 2009 | Joshua Rhett Miller

Posted on 04/27/2009 9:40:46 AM PDT by Joiseydude

What's a kid gotta do to get an "F" these days?

At a growing number of middle schools and high schools across the country, students no longer receive failing marks when they fail. Instead, they get an "H" — for "held" — on their report cards, and they're given a chance to rectify their poor performance without tanking the entire semester.

Educators in schools from Costa Mesa, Calif., to Maynard, Mass., are also employing a policy known in school hallways as ZAP — or "Zeros Aren't Permitted" — which gives students an opportunity to finish the homework they neglected to do on time

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1 posted on 04/27/2009 9:40:46 AM PDT by Joiseydude
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To: Joiseydude

So the dummies have higher GPA’s when they drop out. Big whoop.


2 posted on 04/27/2009 9:42:29 AM PDT by gundog
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To: Joiseydude

Lower the bar and people will strive to reach it.


3 posted on 04/27/2009 9:44:02 AM PDT by umgud (I'm really happy I wasn't aborted)
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To: Joiseydude

These students who have no incentive to get a passing grade are the very ones Obama will use to makeup for the shortage in healthcare professionals and doctors.
This will be a great stimulus for the litigation profession.


4 posted on 04/27/2009 9:46:55 AM PDT by BuffaloJack (To stand up for Capitalism is to hope Teleprompter Boy fails.)
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To: Joiseydude

That depends on if they are taught anything worth learning.


5 posted on 04/27/2009 9:47:55 AM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
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To: Joiseydude

I got a daughter, 18, graduating high scool with almost a 4.0 gpa. Every single college entrance exam she takes ranks her ineligible to take college level classes and the college is forcing her to take high school level catch up courses for big $$$ in the fall.

When the scool gives out A’s, a student thinks she doesn’t have to work any harder.

My daughter is another casualty in the failed education system. If her dad holds the high school accountable and keeps her out for let’s say 8 days, they should deny her graduation based on attendance issues and make her stay for another year. She will hate and never talk to her dad again. At 18 actually, I can’t force anything.


6 posted on 04/27/2009 9:49:44 AM PDT by George from New England (escaped CT 2006; now living north of Tampa Bay)
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To: Joiseydude

Well this is one way to kill off a civilization. Eventually no one will know how anything works and those who bother to strive for a better life will just give up!


7 posted on 04/27/2009 9:50:50 AM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: Joiseydude
"Zeros Aren't Permitted" — which gives students an opportunity to finish the homework they neglected to do on time

This works in the real world too. Most fast food managers (which is who these losers will work for) don't mind at all if you don't get around to taking orders from customers in line, or if you don't bother cooking the food that people order. You can always get around to the work another day, when the mood is right.

8 posted on 04/27/2009 9:51:40 AM PDT by TurtleUp (Turtle up: cancel optional spending until 2012, and boycott TARP/stimulus companies forever!)
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To: Joiseydude

When I went to high school we were given percentage grades. If you earned a 2, that’s what you got. And the teachers weren’t bashful about it either.


9 posted on 04/27/2009 9:52:32 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (What's Black and White and Red all over?)
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To: Joiseydude

Is this a trick question?


10 posted on 04/27/2009 9:57:12 AM PDT by CanaGuy (Go Harper!)
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To: Joiseydude
Definitely, indisputably hurting. The kids know the score, whether their alleged “educators” do or not.
11 posted on 04/27/2009 10:02:45 AM PDT by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: BuffaloJack

Amen to that.


12 posted on 04/27/2009 10:06:51 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: umgud
Lower the bar and people will strive to reach it.

We are developing into the Eloi prophesied by H.G. Wells.

13 posted on 04/27/2009 10:16:23 AM PDT by rjsimmon (1-20-2013)
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To: Joiseydude

I tell my kids, that I expect them to be way ahead of the class, because they only teach to the lowest common denominator.


14 posted on 04/27/2009 10:18:38 AM PDT by dfwgator (1996 2006 2008 - Good Things Come in Threes)
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To: DustyMoment
We faced the "No Fail" policy in Montgomery County Maryland. After 5 years of being unable to read, we confronted Montgomery schools yet again. They informed us of the "No Fail" policy and we asked if Matthew would graduate without being able to Read? They said they would put him in "Remedial Reading" and we reminded them that, that was what they said for the last three years and that it didn't help. We asked what they would do differently and they just quoted the "No Fail" policy like Automatons.

My wife left nursing to home school our son and he came up 5 reading levels (Tested by Standards) in one year.

Note: The same school system said he would never go to college.

After moving to Cherokee County Georgia he enrolled in the ROTC program and through that into Valley Forge Military College and graduated with a degree in Criminal Justice.

Folks, if you are in a "No Fail" state or county, get your kids out as soon as possible. It's your responsibility and their future is at stake. The Liberals/Progressives don't want your kids to read. Leave NOW!

15 posted on 04/27/2009 10:21:23 AM PDT by sr4402
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To: Joiseydude
Well, let's see. They can get out of school with a diploma yet know little to nothing. They will be unprepared to become a productive member of society.

Does that sound helpful to you?

I am speaking to the article author, not you.

16 posted on 04/27/2009 10:23:02 AM PDT by 5thGenTexan
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To: 5thGenTexan

The Universtiy of WA Law school, is now a NO FAIL program.

They have abandoned the study of precedent, in favor of a sort of on the job training, where the students write reports of what goes on in court and are graded on that. The lowest grade that a student can get is a B+.

I was told this by a young student at the law school. She has yet to pass the bar exam, though. She now says that she doesn’t really need it to do civil rights law or work in Indian Court.


17 posted on 04/27/2009 10:29:25 AM PDT by Eva (union motto - Aim for mediocrity, it's only fair.)
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To: Joiseydude

As a person who used to hire people, I know that the no-fail policies are a disaster.

It brings a person into the working world with absolutely no incentive to do well or to find their potential.
They have been indoctrinated with the idea that they CANNOT fail at ANYTHING and they are a nightmare and totally useless for an employer.

I was interviewing candidates for a payroll assistant job: Inputting names, soc sec #’s, and other data.

One candidate interviewed and stated on her application that she had attended 3 (THREE!!) business schools.
Not only was her handwriting completely awful-—she spelled business wrong in 4 different places on her application.

I rejected her.
Her “handler” who was a head hunter called right after her departure, and couldn’t understand why I had rejected the applicant.
The head hunter could not understand why spelling was a mandatory requirement on payroll records!!

I told the woman that I sincerely hoped that all the paperwork of her entire working life was correctly filled out so that when she retired and asked for her social security, there would be no problems with lost data.

She just didn’t get it, and neither did the applicant.
That was years ago, and it has only gotten worse. Today’s employee thinks that because he/she has a cell phone or blackberry, that that allows them to spend their time at the job using those items.


18 posted on 04/27/2009 10:34:22 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: Eva

They have abandoned the study of precedent, in favor of a sort of on the job training”””

Isn’t the fact that the Oval Office is occupied by a person who is precticing ‘on the job training’ enough of a sample of the disaster this country is facing?

We are heading for the old Feudal system where the royals didn’t want the sers to have any education.


19 posted on 04/27/2009 10:37:47 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: Eva

I was told this by a young student at the law school. She has yet to pass the bar exam, though. She now says that she doesn’t really need it to do civil rights law or work in Indian Court.”

The Indians get screwed once again by the white man.......


20 posted on 04/27/2009 10:39:10 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: George from New England

Just the opposite here in Southern Illinois (rural) I’m amazed at how tough it is to get an “A” When I was in school it was 90% or better on a paper or test. My ten year old twins are required to get a 95% or better. And the slightest defect can cost you that 5%.

I’m happy about it though, tougher is always better in the long run.


21 posted on 04/27/2009 10:40:13 AM PDT by traderrob6
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To: Joiseydude
What's a kid gotta do to get an "F" these days?

Just become an illegitimate TPOTUS!

22 posted on 04/27/2009 10:46:08 AM PDT by Don Corleone (Leave the gun..take the cannoli now reads "Oil the gun..eat the cannolis.")
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To: Joiseydude

I believe this is done so that we can’t evaluate the teachers.


23 posted on 04/27/2009 10:53:11 AM PDT by Jack Wilson
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To: Joiseydude

There probably is a way to get an “F” in such a grading regime.
Dipute global warming/anthropogenic climate change.
Objectively compare free markets with socialism.
Point out how multiculturalism is an oppressive system emphasize collective thought over the individual


24 posted on 04/27/2009 10:59:24 AM PDT by Fred Hayek (Leftism is a mental disorder.)
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To: Eva
She now says that she doesn’t really need it to do civil rights law or work in Indian Court.
Or be a 'Community Organizer' I bet...
25 posted on 04/27/2009 11:03:42 AM PDT by 5thGenTexan
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To: ridesthemiles

Hey, the Indians don’t need to hire her. Besides, she’s an Hispanic white person, an affirmative action student.


26 posted on 04/27/2009 11:23:23 AM PDT by Eva (union motto - Aim for mediocrity, it's only fair.)
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To: George from New England

If your daughter doesn’t do well on standardized college entrance exam, try a SAT prep class. Many students don’t do well on these types of tests. You actually have to learn how to take them successfully sometimes.

It may be the school, but there is a chance that she may be prepared for college, but just not good at these types of tests. My daughter has major test anxiety and we had to put her into one of those test prep courses. It raised her SAT score by 300 points.


27 posted on 04/27/2009 11:24:27 AM PDT by ga medic
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To: ridesthemiles
It's not exactly that they don't want the serfs to have an education, they want them to have an equal education, and in order to do that, they have to redefine the term, education.

The motto is, Aim for mediocrity, it's only fair.

28 posted on 04/27/2009 11:25:51 AM PDT by Eva (union motto - Aim for mediocrity, it's only fair.)
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To: rjsimmon
We are developing into the Eloi prophesied by H.G. Wells.

Or the Idiocracy prophesied by Mike Judge

29 posted on 04/27/2009 11:26:34 AM PDT by dfwgator (1996 2006 2008 - Good Things Come in Threes)
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To: dfwgator

Whats a lowest common denominator?


30 posted on 04/27/2009 11:30:27 AM PDT by Walkingfeather
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To: Walkingfeather
Whats a lowest common denominator

Whatever it takes so that no student feels bad. Can't shame people into actually trying to study harder, don'cha know.

31 posted on 04/27/2009 11:33:39 AM PDT by dfwgator (1996 2006 2008 - Good Things Come in Threes)
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To: dfwgator

Some kids are just losers, and no matter how much attention/tutoring they are given, will never learn the lessons presented. I personally think it would be better if we just got them out into society so they could begin training in the field they will be relegated to for the rest of their life: flipping burgers.

Wasting time and effort does nothing except cost taxpayer money and create a poor learning environment for children who can, and are willing to absorb the material. Give it an “X”, pass it to the next grade, and process the unit. If the unit is defective, its quality control statement (GPA) will indicate it as such, and further refinement (College) will be skipped. The world needs ditch diggers too.

Of course the joke would be these idiots that are being churned out by the “everyone gets a trophy” schools finally figure out that a sense of entitlement and a handful of tears mean you get to vote in the biggest embarrassment of a president the US has ever seen.


32 posted on 04/27/2009 2:25:00 PM PDT by Sinschild (I'm for anything that punishes the weak and stupid for being weak and stupid.)
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