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DR. LAURA GETS IT WRONG ( "clueless" )
Catholic League ^ | April 27, 2009 | staff

Posted on 04/27/2009 10:02:46 AM PDT by kellynla

On her radio show of April 24, Dr. Laura Schlessinger engaged a caller on the subject of priestly sexual abuse. Dr. Laura said she was “stunned” that the penalties for abuse “were not more severe.” She continued by saying, “So because of that I no longer, you have not heard me in all these years tell anybody to send their kids to Catholic school, where in the past I did that all the time.”

Catholic League president Bill Donohue commented as follows:

“I will not lose faith in Dr. Laura simply because she is not up to speed on this issue, but I cannot sit back and indulge her cluelessness. Quite frankly, as anyone who has read the John Jay Reports on this subject knows, the vast majority of abuse took place between the mid-1960s and the mid-1980s, at the height of the sexual revolution. The bill may have come due in 2002—the year the Boston Globe exposed the Boston Archdiocese as the epicenter of the problem—but this hardly justifies the conclusion that nothing has been done to correct the situation in recent times.

“Indeed, I would challenge Dr. Laura to name a single institution—private or public—that has instituted a ‘zero tolerance’ policy, save for the Catholic Church. Every staff person and volunteer who works for the Church has had to undergo the most rigorous training seminars on the subject of the sexual abuse of minors, something unmatched by any other organization. Indeed, if Dr. Laura wants to know which institution is responsible for the lion’s share of this problem today, she needs to take a serious look at the public schools. And then she might investigate why so little reform has been instituted. I can save her the time—it’s called the teachers unions.

“Here’s the number of credible accusations made against the over 40,000 priests in the last few years: 2008 (10); 2007 (4); 2006 (14); 2005 (9).

“Dr. Laura’s moral compass remains one of the finest indices of sanity in the nation. Indeed, we are big fans of hers. But she does need to correct the record.”


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: billdonohue; catholic; catholicbashing; catholicleague; lauraschlessinger; naughtyteacherslist; priests
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and lets set the record straight...She calls herself Dr. Laura. But, according to the California Board of Behavioral Science Examiners, "Nobody is allowed to use 'Doctor' unless they are a medical doctor or ... a professor in the psychological field with a clinical license." Schlessinger has a Ph.D., but it isn't in psychology --- it's in physiology. Her doctorate was entitled "Effects of Insulin on 3-0 Methylglucose Transport in Isolated Rat Adipocytes." According to one of her professors, she spent most of her doctoral training time "pulling fat pads off rat testicles."
1 posted on 04/27/2009 10:02:46 AM PDT by kellynla
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To: Salvation; NYer; narses; A.A. Cunningham

ping


2 posted on 04/27/2009 10:03:16 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla

So “Doctor” Laura is advising parents to not send their kids to Catholic school for fear of molestation.

She needs to bone up on the Naughty Teachers List. Plenty of molestation and corruption withing the public/pubic school systems.

But that is treated like 10,000 isolated incidents and not something that stinks from the top down.


3 posted on 04/27/2009 10:05:55 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (IRONY - we know more about the First Dog's historical papers than we do of President Barack.)
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To: kellynla
You're telling me you'd send your kid to a school system that has a DECADES long pattern of covering up sexual molestation of children?

Dr Laura, you're clearly out of your mind you non-doctor you. *Cough* stupid *cough*

4 posted on 04/27/2009 10:06:47 AM PDT by SwankyC (Please stand by - The Patriot Act can and will be used against all of you right wing extremists.)
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To: kellynla

So in California he isn’t Doctor Kissinger? I addressed all my Ph.D. teachers in high school as Doctor __, even though they were Ph.D. Ed.


5 posted on 04/27/2009 10:07:22 AM PDT by Procyon (To the global warming fanatics the problem is too many people and the solution is genocide.)
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To: kellynla

So what? I fail to see that what you posted has anything to do with the story. So you don’t like Dr. Laura, do we care?


6 posted on 04/27/2009 10:08:19 AM PDT by fish hawk (The trouble with Socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples money.)
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To: kellynla

So, what’s your point? I work with physicians and doctoral level psychologists every day, and some are the most idiotic people I’ve ever met. An acedemic degree does not a wise person make!

I’ll vouch for Dr. Laura’s wisdom and common sense any day of the week.

Militant


7 posted on 04/27/2009 10:08:53 AM PDT by militant2 (President George W. Bush: "No child left behind"; obama: "No child left alive!")
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To: kellynla

“Nobody is allowed to use ‘Doctor’ unless they are a medical doctor or ... a professor in the psychological field with a clinical license.”

Somebody better tell Dr. Dre.

But I doubt that is a real law. And a PhD IS a doctor.

Not defending Laura necessarily. She gets it right sometimes, and wrong sometimes. But the whole “she isn’t a real doctor” is not only misinformed but irrelevant to most particular criticisms of her.


8 posted on 04/27/2009 10:10:02 AM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: kellynla
Dr. Laura said she was “stunned” that the penalties for abuse “were not more severe.”

I'm stunned also that penalties are not more severe. What is wrong with parents that they do not teach their children to report these crimes immediately? I know what the decisive, community-imposed penalty for a priest sexually abusing a young boy would have been 100 years ago, and I don't know why it's different today.

... Every staff person and volunteer who works for the Church has had to undergo the most rigorous training seminars on the subject of the sexual abuse of minors, something unmatched by any other organization.

Training? "Now, Father, remember, priests are not supposed to have gay sex with young children." I don't think that training is the answer. My vote is for monitoring and swift consequences.

9 posted on 04/27/2009 10:12:04 AM PDT by TurtleUp (Turtle up: cancel optional spending until 2012, and boycott TARP/stimulus companies forever!)
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To: Larry Lucido

Ah, a little sanity on his goofy thread...

Be Ever Vigilant!


10 posted on 04/27/2009 10:17:20 AM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: blackie; kellynla

Technically, Jesus said not to call anybody “Father.” But we know there is some wiggle room there, don’t we, Kelly? :-)


11 posted on 04/27/2009 10:28:30 AM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: kellynla

I have listened to her show twice...and it took all i had to stop the urge to projectile vomit all over my vehicle....she is basically an idiot ( not as bad as pat buchanan, but getting close )


12 posted on 04/27/2009 10:30:05 AM PDT by joe fonebone (When you ask God for help, sometimes he sends the Marines.)
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To: kellynla

Well, I think Donahue is taking the right approach on this. Dr. Laura isn’t a bigot. She just needs a little educating on this issue—which you won’t get from the media or the establishment.

Instead of insulting her, convert her, and then you’ve got one more spokesperson out there helping to spread the truth, or at least not continuing to spread lies with the rest of the MSM.

As for calling herself “doctor,” that’s commonplace with PhDs. She doesn’t pretend to be a medical doctor that I’ve ever heard of.


13 posted on 04/27/2009 10:32:10 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: kellynla

I don’t care if her background was in plumbing, frankly. People don’t listen to her because she calls herself a doctor.


14 posted on 04/27/2009 10:32:56 AM PDT by Lizavetta (Politicians: When they're not lying, they're stealing.)
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To: kellynla

“Nobody is allowed to use ‘Doctor’ unless they are a medical doctor or ... a professor in the psychological field with a clinical license.”


That is a stupid remark. A “Doctor” is aa title given to someone who has mastered some field of knowledge and demonstrated it by doing research which adds to that field of knowledge. The rules are bent a little to give that title to physicians who have not done research.
(That may be a little harsh, but you get the idea.)


15 posted on 04/27/2009 10:34:15 AM PDT by broncobilly
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To: kellynla

you have not heard me in all these years tell anybody to send their kids to Catholic school


As I understand, even at the worst of it, the rate of abuses at Catholic schools were exceeded by the rate of abuses at public schools.


16 posted on 04/27/2009 10:35:11 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Typical "Rightwing Extremist")
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To: kellynla
The media has been so successful in painting this as a “Catholic” problem instead of a homosexual predator problem. I'm always shocked at the number of really smart people who don't recognize the difference.
17 posted on 04/27/2009 10:35:28 AM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: Larry Lucido
A Real Doctor (He went to Evil Medical School)
18 posted on 04/27/2009 10:35:49 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Competent small-government conservative = close enough for government work)
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To: kellynla

I’m a lawyer. I have a JD, a Juris Doctor. If I was a particularly jerky individual, I could rightfully insist I be addressed as ‘Dr. Grant.’

The ‘Dr’ title is no big deal.


19 posted on 04/27/2009 10:35:49 AM PDT by Ted Grant
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To: kellynla
And a PhD IS a doctor.

I'll take the "Doctor of Democracy" every time!

20 posted on 04/27/2009 10:37:48 AM PDT by Don Corleone (Leave the gun..take the cannoli now reads "Oil the gun..eat the cannolis.")
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To: kellynla
and lets set the record straight...She calls herself Dr. Laura. But, according to the California Board of Behavioral Science Examiners, "Nobody is allowed to use 'Doctor' unless they are a medical doctor or ... a professor in the psychological field with a clinical license."

What bull. Dentists, Psychologists, even Chiropractors are called Doctor. The only group with legitimate Doctor Degrees who are not called doctor are Attorneys with Juris Doctor Degrees.

21 posted on 04/27/2009 10:41:01 AM PDT by Prokopton
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To: kellynla

I think Schlesinger will be apologizing for this in a future show. Whoever, the Catholic Church would do a world of good to winnow the fags from its ranks.


22 posted on 04/27/2009 10:47:47 AM PDT by FreepShop1 (www.FreepShop.com)
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To: kellynla

I think Schlesinger will be apologizing for this in a future show. However, the Catholic Church would do a world of good to winnow the fags from its ranks.


23 posted on 04/27/2009 10:48:04 AM PDT by FreepShop1 (www.FreepShop.com)
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To: kellynla

Funny.

I am nearly Fifty years old and I have heard PHD’s called doctor for all of my life.

Did it ever occur to you to perhaps read an actual diploma and see what that letter D stands for? You might do with some education yourself.

There were Zero tolerance poliocies for pedophelia at most institutions up until the gay sexual revolution got going in the 1970s. Most small churches are still that way.

If you aren’t going to research before posting your screed, at least talk to some older people about things before you claim they do not and never have existed.


24 posted on 04/27/2009 10:48:13 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Beelzebubba
As I understand, even at the worst of it, the rate of abuses at Catholic schools were exceeded by the rate of abuses at public schools.

I haven't listened to Dr Laura in years, but I think we can assume that she hasn't become a public school cheerleader because she no longer recommends Catholic schools.

25 posted on 04/27/2009 10:48:18 AM PDT by Dianna (Obama Barbie: Governing is hard.)
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To: Beelzebubba
As I understand, even at the worst of it, the rate of abuses at Catholic schools were exceeded by the rate of abuses at public schools.

And the rate of abuses by the Nazis were exceeded by those of Stalin, Whos abuses were exceeded by those of Mao.

Where did you come up with the idea that one makes the other okay?

26 posted on 04/27/2009 10:55:49 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: kellynla

“Nobody is allowed to use ‘Doctor’ unless they are a medical doctor or ... a professor in the psychological field with a clinical license.”

This is pure “BS”. Sorry to be blunt, but you’re wrong, and should correct your statement.

Anyone, with a PhD can use the term “Doctor” at the front of their name. This business of saying that only MD’s or clinical psychologists can represent themselves as a doctor is just flat incorrect. Consider, a university that had 1000 PhD’s employed (that’s high, but it makes the numbers easier). Suppose that there are only 10 clinical psychologists in the psych department. Does this mean that the other 990 PhD’s are prohibited by state law from calling themselves Doctor?

You see my point.

Now representing yourself as an MD when you have an honorary doctorate from Notre Dame? That is quite a different thing and I suspect that is more along the lines of what you are trying to say. If you had said something like that, I would certainly agree.


27 posted on 04/27/2009 10:59:20 AM PDT by Habibi ("We gladly feast on those who would subdue us". Not just pretty words........)
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To: Cicero
“As for calling herself “doctor,” that’s commonplace with PhDs. She doesn’t pretend to be a medical doctor that I’ve ever heard of.”

nooooooooooo...she has used her “dr” like she has some kind of academic expertise in what she is doing; WHICH SHE DOES NOT!

28 posted on 04/27/2009 11:00:13 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: Larry Lucido
It's called discernment, which is the Achilles' heel of linguistic literalists.
29 posted on 04/27/2009 11:01:54 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: MrEdd
Where did you come up with the idea that one makes the other okay?

Where did you come up with the idea that that was being done, public school?

30 posted on 04/27/2009 11:04:46 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: a fool in paradise

I don’t listen to her often, but I do listen to Dr. Laura enough to know that she also recommends taking your kids out of the failing public school system(which we had already done)...so no, she’s not endorsing the public schools.


31 posted on 04/27/2009 11:06:28 AM PDT by SoCalHobbit
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To: broncobilly; Procyon; Larry Lucido; Ted Grant; Don Corleone; Prokopton
“California Board of Behavioral Science Examiners, “Nobody is allowed to use ‘Doctor’ unless they are a medical doctor or ... a professor in the psychological field with a clinical license.”

I'm talking about medicine and/or behavioral science not those who have a doctorate in law, education or whatever else and Schlessinger has been "playing" her audience like she is some kind of "educated professional" in the field of behavioral science WHICH SHE IS NOT!..................gezzzzzzzzzzzzzz

32 posted on 04/27/2009 11:08:48 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: TurtleUp

What is wrong with parents who take the issue to a priest or bishop instead of to the police?


33 posted on 04/27/2009 11:13:15 AM PDT by csmusaret (http://www.aipnews.com/)
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To: kellynla

PhDs had the title of doctor well before any formal MD program was ever instituted. In medical schools everywhere, the PhDs on the faculty are typically held in more respect, even by the MDs in the program. An established senior PhD pretty much has the final word when it comes to being an authority on a subject.


34 posted on 04/27/2009 11:18:04 AM PDT by Kirkwood
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To: kellynla
Laura is not trying to be a physician. She is not trying to be a psychiatrist.
Psychology and family counseling are behavioral sciences. She has been trained in both of these areas. I believe she did graduate counseling studies at USC. That is what she is practicing. And she has the credentials. Get over it.

I dislike her style and never listen to her except out of an occasional curiosity. I think she shoots from the hip some times and I think she is rude. But that is another matter.

35 posted on 04/27/2009 11:21:48 AM PDT by broncobilly
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To: A.A. Cunningham

Tell that to Kelly. :-)


36 posted on 04/27/2009 11:21:59 AM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: kellynla
Another fake Dr.

37 posted on 04/27/2009 11:22:18 AM PDT by Slicksadick (Go out on a limb........Its where the fruit is.)
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To: kellynla

I’ve lost all respect for “Dr. Laura”. She used to give intelligent advice and commentary. But all I’ve heard for years on the 2 minute blurbs every morning at 6:50 AM is caustic crap and lousy advice.

A situation where I agree with her commentary is unfortunately extremely rare.

Sounds like she blew it again.


38 posted on 04/27/2009 11:25:08 AM PDT by jimt
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To: Kirkwood; Prokopton; Don Corleone; MrEdd; Habibi
I've already addressed this issue on on post 32...don't intend to keep repeating myself...

But since you didn't get it the first or the second time...here it is again

I'm talking about medicine and/or behavioral science not those who have a doctorate in law, education or whatever else and Schlessinger has been “playing” her audience like she is some kind of “educated professional” in the field of behavioral science WHICH SHE IS NOT!..................gezzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Now if you still don't understand, then I can't help you!LOL

39 posted on 04/27/2009 11:29:11 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla

As soon as you say, “California Board of ...” You need to stop reading. You immediately know you are encountering a group on clueless, self serving idiots.
I live in California, incidentally.


40 posted on 04/27/2009 11:35:26 AM PDT by broncobilly
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To: MrEdd

Where did you come up with the idea that one makes the other okay?


Please spare me your ridiculous straw man rhetoric. I excused nothing.

I pointed out that public schools are probably worse than Catholic schools for abuse rate, and this makes Dr. Laura’s non-endorsement of the Catholic school option irrational.


41 posted on 04/27/2009 11:37:15 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Typical "Rightwing Extremist")
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To: Slicksadick; Larry Lucido
More fake Doctors...


42 posted on 04/27/2009 11:44:39 AM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: broncobilly

Like I said earlier, if you STILL don’t get my point, then I can’ help you... but you & Ms. wannabe, have a good day! LOL


43 posted on 04/27/2009 11:46:30 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla

We got your point. You don’t like Laura. Neither do I. But I don’t think you realize, even with your restatement, you are still presenting your point improperly.


44 posted on 04/27/2009 12:02:16 PM PDT by broncobilly
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To: broncobilly

not a matter of “liking” her...I don’t waste my time
“listening” to those who are not trained and/or educated in what they pass themselves off as being an authority ...bottom line, I don’t take personal advice from bartenders, auto repairmen, grocery clerks or talk radio clowns. LMAO


45 posted on 04/27/2009 12:09:18 PM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: Beelzebubba
I pointed out that public schools are probably worse than Catholic schools for abuse rate, and this makes Dr. Laura’s non-endorsement of the Catholic school option irrational.

How does sexual abuse in the public school make a long time proponent of home schooling and private schools irrational? You do realize that is what she has advocated for decades, right? She has dropped her endorsement of catholic schools, but that hardly means that she will suddenly reverse her decades long support for home schooling to support the socialist publik skrools.

She isn't right on a lot of issues, but your ill formed claim that she public schools is laughable.

46 posted on 04/27/2009 12:16:12 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: All

She is the most ignorant and rude person on radio. People who listen to her must have serious dependency and esteem problems...either that or they are deeply into humiliation and S&M.

Laura is useless to most and destructive to the weak.


47 posted on 04/27/2009 12:24:39 PM PDT by rbmillerjr ("We Are All Socialists Now"........not me, not now, not ever)
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To: kellynla

Could you point to where the California Board of Behavioral Science Examiners says this? Colleges and universities bestow the title of doctor”, not the California Board of Behavioral Science Examiners.

According to what you’ve posted, Dentists, who are not a “medical doctor or ... a professor in the psychological field with a clinical license.” wouldn’t be doctors. That simply is not correct. Nor would lawyers, who are also Doctors.

I have a family full of PhDs, all of whom are referred to as “Doctor” in their professional life, some of whom use it personally (on their checks or formal invitations, for example). They’ve earned it every bit as much as any medical doctor.

As to Dr Laura’s comments: Catholic Schools aren’t magic places where children are better off than public school “just because”. It depends on a number of factors as to whether the school is better or not. God didn’t give us children to raise so that we could turn them over to any school, Catholic or not, without supervision and our direct, constant interaction.

The Church spent a very long time doing all of the wrong things in regard to childhood sexual abuse, and IMO, they still a ways to do before they get it 100% right.

If the reputations of Catholic schools now have to live with the consequences of bad decisions and worse, that’s part of the penalty for doing wrong.

I’m a devout Roman Catholic. I do not make excuses for the past mistakes and lies of some sick people in the hierarchy of the Church in the same way that I don’t make excuses for sin anywhere else.

The Church is better than that. It’s strong enough to withstand getting rid of every last rotten apple in the bunch.


48 posted on 04/27/2009 12:31:51 PM PDT by mountainbunny (Mitt Romney: Collect the whole set!)
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To: mountainbunny

“According to what you’ve posted, Dentists, who are not a “medical doctor or ... a professor in the psychological field with a clinical license.” wouldn’t be doctors. That simply is not correct. Nor would lawyers, who are also Doctors.”

already posted a reponse to this twice...I’m done repeating myself....

gezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz


49 posted on 04/27/2009 12:44:17 PM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: MrEdd

You’re trying too hard for an argument. Dr. Laura seems to assume that the Catholic option is more susceptible to abuse than other options. I don’t see the evidence to support that.

If homeschooling is safer, great. And if Dr. Laura expressed that when non-endorsing the Catholic option, then I’m wrong.


50 posted on 04/27/2009 12:50:41 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Typical "Rightwing Extremist")
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