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Lord Of The Flies Savages: Gang of Children Stripped, Beat And Tortured Boy, 15, Before....
Dail Mail (UK) ^ | April 28, 2009

Posted on 04/27/2009 11:06:16 PM PDT by Steelfish

Lord Of The Flies Savages: Gang of Children Stripped, Beat And Tortured Boy, 15, Before Leaving Him For Dead In A Shallow Grave

By CHRIS BROOKE 28th April 2009.

Four children stripped and whipped a teenager before dumping him unconscious in a shallow grave in a scene reminiscent of the novel Lord of the Flies.

The 15-year-old victim, who has a mental age of seven, was hit with planks and had lit cigarettes forced up his nose.

He begged for mercy from his tormentors - a girl of 14, two boys aged 11 and another boy of 13. The girl had lured him to a woodland lair where the others punched him, kicked him and stamped on his head.

Making death threats, the gang lashed him with branches and spat and urinated on him.

Prosecutor James Keeley told Leeds Crown Court: 'The gang showed him no pity and told him to shut up, otherwise they were going to kill him. They placed him in a ditch with pieces of wood over him as perhaps a makeshift grave.'

Shaking uncontrollably, the victim crawled free after the attack and was found back on his home estate by a family friend.

He was taken to casualty with facial burns and multiple cuts and bruises to his body and genitals. His liver was haemorrhaging.

All four children admitted attempting to cause grievous bodily harm with intent.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: culturalentropy; failbritannia; gangs; lordoftheflies; rousseau

1 posted on 04/27/2009 11:06:16 PM PDT by Steelfish
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To: Steelfish
"His liver was haemorrhaging."

Britain.

The US and Australia are the only civilized countries left, and we are fading fast.

2 posted on 04/27/2009 11:09:26 PM PDT by ChicagahAl (Don't blame me. I voted for Sarah.)
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In similarity with “Lord of the Flies,” no parents seemed present on the island…


3 posted on 04/27/2009 11:16:08 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Steelfish

Children are born savage, selfish and evil. I am not a Christian but the Bible got original sin dead on. We are not civilizing our children, and then stand back in shock when they turn out to be uncivilized.

Who coulda predicted that, huh?


4 posted on 04/27/2009 11:16:47 PM PDT by Sharrukin
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To: ChicagahAl

“Back to the Future”- nations of Barbarians, indeed worse, a Satanic ring of fire to cultures that birthed the Age of Enlightenment.


5 posted on 04/27/2009 11:20:12 PM PDT by Steelfish
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To: Steelfish

Well I differ with the judge. This case is simple. Exterminate the little blighters and be done with it. Civilization will be all that much better off.

There are some things that can’t be undone. These kids will be trouble for the rest of their days, and ours.


6 posted on 04/27/2009 11:24:48 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Pres__ent Obama's own grandmother says he was born in Kenya. She was there.)
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To: Sharrukin

My first wife used to spout that kids were born perfect and then we screw them up. I never bought into that. Kids left to their own devices are capable of just about anything.

I guess that’s why adults raise them, not the other way around. Go figure...


7 posted on 04/27/2009 11:26:36 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Pres__ent Obama's own grandmother says he was born in Kenya. She was there.)
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To: Steelfish

“...The girl, now 15, was given 15 months of detention and the 13-year-old locked up for 12 months. The two younger children, now aged 12, were handed two-year supervision orders with a three-month curfew.”

Well, that’ll show ‘em!

/major sarc.


8 posted on 04/27/2009 11:28:31 PM PDT by DemforBush (Somebody wake me when sanity has returned to the nation.)
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To: DoughtyOne

The UK has no corner on parents who expect children to raise themselves.


9 posted on 04/27/2009 11:30:09 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: DoughtyOne
My first wife used to spout that kids were born perfect and then we screw them up. I never bought into that. Kids left to their own devices are capable of just about anything.

The leftists and radical Libertarians buy into that idea of a possible utopian society where our 'good nature' is brought out by social engineering. Never works out and these young savages are the unsurprising result.

10 posted on 04/27/2009 11:35:15 PM PDT by Sharrukin
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To: Sharrukin

Yes, I agree. I think we would all like to believe that children were born perfect and would remain perfect if left to their own devices. As you state, it never works out.

If you’ve got several children, it won’t take long for you to realize how bad things can go at times. Children need supervision.

Sadly the left just doesn’t get it, or doesn’t want to get it.


11 posted on 04/27/2009 11:39:15 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Pres__ent Obama's own grandmother says he was born in Kenya. She was there.)
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To: DoughtyOne
If you’ve got several children, it won’t take long for you to realize how bad things can go at times. Children need supervision.

I suspect that is partially why single women seem more willing to vote for fools like Obama and married women tend to vote Republican. When you have only yourself to worry about you can believe in foolishness that you wouldn't expose a child to.

12 posted on 04/27/2009 11:42:54 PM PDT by Sharrukin
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To: Sharrukin

Yes, that holds up if you’re single. Many of these women have substituted the government for a husband. It gets even worse when they have children. I have known women who thought society owed it to them, to pay their bills while they went to school. The government was supposed to pay for housing, school, food, childcare, and cash to boot.

Asked if they thought it was right that I should have to pay, they thought it was a great idea.

I’m telling you (as if you didn’t already know), these women are delusional to the max.


13 posted on 04/27/2009 11:51:19 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Pres__ent Obama's own grandmother says he was born in Kenya. She was there.)
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To: DoughtyOne

I sure agree with you. They are worthless.


14 posted on 04/27/2009 11:54:33 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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To: Steelfish

Iron Maiden - Lord of the Flies

I don’t care for this world anymore
I just want to live my own fantasy
Fate has brought us to these shores
What was meant to be is now happening

I’ve found that I like this living in danger
Living on the edge it makes feel as one
Who cares what’s right or wrong,
it’s reality
Killing so we survive
Wherever we may roam
Wherever we may hide
gotta get away!

I don’t want existence to end
We must prepare ourselves for the elements
I just want to feel like we’re strong
We don’t need a code of morality

I like all the mixed emotion and anger
It brings out the animal the power you can feel
And feeling so high with this much adrenaline
Excited but scary to believe what we’ve become

Saints and sinners
Something within us
We are lord of the flies

Saints and sinners
Something within us
To be lord of the flies

Saints and sinners
Something willing us
We are lord of the flies

Saints and sinners
Something within us
To be lord of the flies


15 posted on 04/27/2009 11:59:43 PM PDT by wastedyears (Iron Maiden's gonna get ya, no matter how far!)
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To: DoughtyOne

I guess that’s why she was your first wife.


16 posted on 04/28/2009 12:02:20 AM PDT by wastedyears (Iron Maiden's gonna get ya, no matter how far!)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

I agree.


17 posted on 04/28/2009 12:14:17 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Pres__ent Obama's own grandmother says he was born in Kenya. She was there.)
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To: wastedyears

Partially. ;-) Not all her fault either...


18 posted on 04/28/2009 12:15:05 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Pres__ent Obama's own grandmother says he was born in Kenya. She was there.)
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To: freekitty

Sad isn’t it.


19 posted on 04/28/2009 12:15:25 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Pres__ent Obama's own grandmother says he was born in Kenya. She was there.)
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To: DoughtyOne

It really is and more so that it is allowed to happen by a perverted society.


20 posted on 04/28/2009 12:34:26 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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To: freekitty

The kid will carry this with him for a long time. And so the perps get a year or so of grief over it. They’ll be out there screwing some other kid over while this other kid is still waking up in cold sweats. Can’t tell you how that gripes me.

Yes, the perverted society, digs it’s own grave doesn’t it.

You take care.


21 posted on 04/28/2009 12:37:38 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Pres__ent Obama's own grandmother says he was born in Kenya. She was there.)
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To: ChicagahAl

I bet I could provide at least a dozen links to equally sick or worse crimes committed by kids in the US from the past couple of years....


22 posted on 04/28/2009 12:52:18 AM PDT by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: ChicagahAl
"His liver was haemorrhaging."

Britain.

The US and Australia are the only civilized countries left, and we are fading fast.

Are you really saying that you can't imagine an indident like this happening in the US or Australia, let alone Britain at any time in the past? If you really believe that, then, if you'll forgive me saying so, you must have been fortunate in living a life sheltered from what, as a number of other posters on this thread have ponted out, is the pretty well universal capacity of children to regress to a feral condition.

23 posted on 04/28/2009 1:45:42 AM PDT by Winniesboy
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To: D-fendr
In similarity with “Lord of the Flies,” no parents seemed present on the island…

If memory serves, it was Jack, leader of the boys choir, that used the specter of "the beast" (read Devil) from which he promised to protect his flock if they would bow to his "leadership." It was this primitive religion that destroyed the island habitat by burning it, whilst murdering an innocent boy. Power lust begins early and so does the urge for some to surrender autonomy to others for the sake of security. It was Ralph (and for awhile, Piggy) that attempted to reason things out but was soon outnumbered by Jack's savages.

24 posted on 04/28/2009 1:51:26 AM PDT by Misterioso (The emperor has no brain.)
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To: ChicagahAl

I don’t think civilized people put

traitors from hell at their helm.


25 posted on 04/28/2009 2:46:29 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: ChicagahAl

Oh please.

Britain violent, but America isnt?.


26 posted on 04/28/2009 2:47:38 AM PDT by the scotsman
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To: Sharrukin

Children are born savage, selfish and evil. I am not a Christian but the Bible got original sin dead on. We are not civilizing our children, and then stand back in shock when they turn out to be uncivilized.

Who coulda predicted that, huh?


Very well put.

Phil Zimbardo who did the famous prison experiments with students . . . and had to stop the 2 week planned experiment after a number of days because of the cruelty . . . noted in one preface to his intro to psych text . . . my paraphrase . . . pretty close to his words . . .

“If the monsters are OUT THERE—it’s not a big problem. We can gang up on them. It’s a much bigger problem if the monster is within each of us.”

What was the difference . . . after a huge battery of psych tests and structured interviews . . . what was the difference between the officials and guards of the death camps in WWII and average German citizens? Or average citizens around the world?

. . .

. . .

. . .

. . .

not a blessed thing.

. . .

sobering . . .

. . .

as we ponder the rumors of our military being questioned in training in boot camp and Iraq . . . about whether they as individuals would be willing and able to shoot their parents, brothers, sisters . . . . if ordered to.

. . .

. . .

. . .

and the rumors about several hundred death camps already set-up and waiting . . . within our borders.

. . .

. . .

. . .

for those patriots that engineered plagues leave behind?

. . .

. . .

MARANATHA!

The only ONE with a true solution to the sin problem.

At His own supreme cost.


27 posted on 04/28/2009 2:51:45 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: DoughtyOne

My first wife used to spout that kids were born perfect and then we screw them up. I never bought into that. Kids left to their own devices are capable of just about anything.

I guess that’s why adults raise them, not the other way around. Go figure...


WELL PUT.

Scripture doesn’t agree with your wife, either.

Scripture says that rebellion is bound up in the heart of a child but the rod of correction will drive it far from him.

However, DISCIPLINE WITHOUT RELATIONSHIP PRODUCES REBELLION.


28 posted on 04/28/2009 2:54:36 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: DoughtyOne
However,
DISCIPLINE
WITHOUT
SUFFICIENT RELATIONSHIP
PRODUCES REBELLION.

29 posted on 04/28/2009 2:56:31 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: DoughtyOne

these women are delusional to the max.


YUP

And trained to be that way by skillful mass brainwashing of the oligarchy.


30 posted on 04/28/2009 2:58:35 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: the scotsman
Britain violent, but America isnt?.

At least we can still defend ourself.........for now.

31 posted on 04/28/2009 3:41:07 AM PDT by 03A3
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To: ChicagahAl

“The US and Australia are the only civilized countries left, and we are fading fast.”

Where did you dream up that little tidbit?


32 posted on 04/28/2009 4:05:04 AM PDT by caver (Obama's first goals: allow more killing of innocents and allow the killers of innocents to go free.)
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To: DoughtyOne
Children, particular males, if left on their own without strong parenting, will devolve into little more than pack animals by adolecence far more often than not.

In the inner city, you see evidence of this daily in nearly ever major city as countless boys grow up without fathers.. In Africa you see it in elephant herd left without elders See Here.. This is the nature of things when parents do not parent.

33 posted on 04/28/2009 4:24:42 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: Steelfish

I am reasonably sure things like this have happened through out history on every Continent to every racial group.

In the past, the people would have administered justice and only locals would have known. Now, we have the MSM and our “wonderful” Court system.


34 posted on 04/28/2009 6:19:16 AM PDT by seemoAR
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To: ChicagahAl

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_murder_rate

The murder rate in the US is almost six times as high as in most western and central European countries. Just as an example (not to mention general violence, the homeless on the streets, the druggies, etc.).

Perhaps your definition of “civilized” differs from the accepted norm?


35 posted on 04/28/2009 6:35:33 AM PDT by Moltke
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To: Moltke
Perhaps if you factored out all non Caucasians, the murder rate in the US would be equal or be less than most western and central European countries.
36 posted on 04/28/2009 8:01:08 AM PDT by seemoAR
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To: seemoAR

Yes, perhaps it would. And perhaps if you took out those European murders by muzzies, Russian mafiosi, ex-Balkan types etc. the numbers for western/central Europe would be still lower.

And while it must be noted that the numbers for the UK are much worse than for the other western Euro countries (thereby bringing up the average), I think the statement of the original post I replied to doesn’t hold too much water.

Cheers.


37 posted on 04/28/2009 9:11:59 AM PDT by Moltke
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To: Moltke

Maybe so, maybe not.


38 posted on 04/28/2009 9:39:12 AM PDT by seemoAR
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To: DoughtyOne
The kid will carry this with him for a long time.

Yes he will.

My niece and her friend were beaten up by a gang of kids when they were about the age of this young man.

They both ended up dropping out of school, although they were at the top of their class and neither continued formal education, although they got their GEDs.

This happened over a decade ago, and they reconnected recently and talked about the devastating effect this had on their lives.

Both eventually went on to live fulfilling lives, as a result of the strength of their families. They just took a different path.

39 posted on 04/28/2009 9:58:17 AM PDT by happygrl (Hope and Change or Rope and Chains?)
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To: wastedyears

Doesn’t count as Iron Maiden, Bruce Didn’t sing it.


40 posted on 04/28/2009 1:45:34 PM PDT by John Will
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To: John Will

They played it on the 2003-2004 Death On The Road tour.


41 posted on 04/28/2009 2:26:29 PM PDT by wastedyears (Iron Maiden's gonna get ya, no matter how far!)
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To: Moltke
"The murder rate in the US is almost six times as high as in most western and central European countries"

Yes, unfortunately, that is true.

While not wanting to overly parse statistics, please keep a few points in mind. The story was about young children attempting to murder another young child. This was preceded by a somewhat similar recent incident in the UK. The parents who were interviewed and their lifestyles seem to be a major part of the problem. The ethnic background of the people involved was not disclosed, so I cannot address that issue, but it would be interesting to know. The appallingly modest punishment meted out is also a factor that argues for similar incidents in the future.

There are people in America who are not Americans, who do not consider themselves Americans, who do not conduct themselves as Americans and who will never be Americans. The black crime rate, for example, is ten times that of Caucasians and Asians, while the Hispanic crime rate is also significantly higher, especially for illegal immigrants. Given the number that you quoted, I think that would indicate that people of European or Asian ancestry, in America, have a lower crime rate than Europeans in Europe.

The nutbag Left has made inroads into every country in the world, so no place is as peaceful and safe as it should be. We in America, cannot fight the barbarians of the world alone. We need other countries to be willing to step up and fight along with us. We have been able to count on the UK and Australia, more than anyone else. Australia seems to be taking a stand, of sorts, against being taken over by third world immigrants. While many of the news reports we read from the UK are worrisome. If the news can be believed, it would seem that the UK is slowly sinking under the weight of third world immigrants, who have even had success in causing British politicians to consider allowing Sharia Law. We read of homeowners being imprisoned for defending themselves from intruders. While the UK doesn't yet have a thousand automobiles burned every night, like France, it appears the UK is headed in that direction.

Here in the US, we recently had protests across the country, regarding excessive taxation, and against a dearth of personal responsibility. To my knowledge, there were no arrests, no vandalism, no violence, and no uncivilized behavior of any kind, to report.

The entire world is less civilized than it used to be, certainly. But some countries are slipping away faster than others. Preteens attempting murder for sport, portends poorly for the future.

42 posted on 04/28/2009 11:55:05 PM PDT by ChicagahAl (Don't blame me. I voted for Sarah.)
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To: ChicagahAl

Well, as I’ve intimated earlier, we both could probably spend all day “tweaking numbers” - who contributes how much to what statistic etc. - but that really isn’t my main point. Yep, there’s a deplorable culture of youth binge drinking and associated violence (and violence in general) in the UK these days, but don’t extend this to the rest of Europe (somehow this always happens here: something goes awry in one European country and suddenly all of Europe is lost?).

And there are many who take a stand against being “taken over by immigrants” in Europe - but sensationalist reporting seldom dwells on that fact, and, lets face it, there are many FReepers who just love to bash Europe (somehow it’s like calling your own mother a bitch, so go figure...).

Since you mention Australia - you may have missed reports about middle-eastern immigrant youths gang-raping Aussie chicks as a pastime, as well as mass gang fights etc. They have enough muzzie problems of their own and still let them in.

Cheers


43 posted on 04/29/2009 4:47:08 AM PDT by Moltke
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To: Moltke
So, we just ignore the main causes of the crime. Europe can bash us as much as they want and we are supposed to shut up and take it. We “bash Europe” if we point out their problems. Funny how that works. ;0)
44 posted on 04/29/2009 5:48:04 AM PDT by seemoAR
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To: DoughtyOne

Hell, if you pay me I would think that it is a great idea also.


45 posted on 04/29/2009 5:53:34 AM PDT by sport
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To: sport

No you wouldn’t. It would bother you. If you’ve got character, you couldn’t do this.

When I was a nineteen year old kid, I became eligible for unemployment. I took one check, and refused to pick up any further. I knew I could go out and find a job, and I wouldn’t take it. I hadn’t worked in the system very long, and it just wasn’t right.


46 posted on 04/29/2009 10:29:32 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Pres__ent Obama's own grandmother says he was born in Kenya. She was there.)
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To: seemoAR

No need to ignore anything. And no need imply that Europe bashes the US but the US cannot bash Europe. I’ve lived double-digit years both in the US and Europe. Americans and Europeans are not enemies but friends (for the most part, at least). Don’t fall for agenda-driven propaganda.

Cheers.


47 posted on 04/29/2009 11:01:26 AM PDT by Moltke
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To: DoughtyOne

I still subscribe to the blank slate theory. The problem is that the world is so full of insanity and evil that they corrupt very quickly without proper guidance.


48 posted on 05/01/2009 6:37:57 PM PDT by Soothesayer (The United States of America Rest in Peace November 4 2008)
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To: Soothesayer

My take on it is that youth corrupt with no outside influence. That doesn’t mean that they have evil intent. It just means that like you said, they need to have adult supervision until they grow old enough to understand right from wrong.

They do have a blank slate, but even natural curiosity presents them with so many poor choices, that without adult supervision, children would grow up to be quite evil indeed.

It would be evil born of innocence, but evil none the less.

You don’t need to be exposed to the world at large, to be selfish, to covet the possessions of others. It’s a natural instinct, and one that needs course correction along the way. This is only one example of a natural urge that needs to be molded into something healthy.

This is only my take on it, so take it for what it is.


49 posted on 05/02/2009 9:29:40 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Pres__ent Obama's own grandmother says he was born in Kenya. She was there.)
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