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Is The Beltway GOP Irrelevant?
Rasmussen Reports ^ | April 28, 2009 | Scott rasmussen

Posted on 04/28/2009 9:05:33 AM PDT by Al B.

To be relevant in politics, you need either formal power or a lot of people willing to follow your lead. The governing Republicans in the nation's capital have lost both on their continuing path to irrelevance.

The disconnect between D.C. Republicans and Republicans throughout the country has been growing for nearly 20 years, but it became more intense and noticeable during the waning years of the Bush administration.

Perhaps the final straw was the $700 billion bank bailout plan pushed through Congress last fall despite strong voter opposition. For all the furor unleashed this spring by congressional Republicans about President Obama's $787 billion stimulus plan, the Bush-era bailouts last fall were approved with virtually no advance notice and no guidelines as to how the money would be spent. Looking back, most voters and nearly eight-out-of-10 Republicans now believe the bailouts were a bad idea .

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The disconnect between the Republican base and Beltway Republicans also can be seen in the recent history of presidential nominations. In the 2008 campaign, Barack Obama, the Democratic candidate, was seen by voters as more likely to deliver tax cuts than Republican nominee John McCain. By the way, Bill Clinton's victories in the 1990s also followed a belief that he was more likely to deliver tax cuts than his GOP opponent. It's hard to imagine how the party of Ronald Reagan could let that happen, but it did.

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Look for the Republican Party to sink further into irrelevancy as long as its key players insist on hanging around Congress or K Street for their ideas. The future for the GOP is beyond the Beltway.

(Excerpt) Read more at rasmussenreports.getmobile.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: beltway; gop

1 posted on 04/28/2009 9:05:33 AM PDT by Al B.
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To: Al B.

Washington DC should be treated like the swine flu (apologies to pigs).


2 posted on 04/28/2009 9:07:39 AM PDT by lormand ("Janet Napolitano should resign or be fired." - Congressman John Carter - My Congresscritter)
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To: Al B.

“The future for the GOP is beyond the Beltway.”

I know of a certain governor in the far north who holds the future of the GOP of their hands....


3 posted on 04/28/2009 9:07:39 AM PDT by wk4bush2004 (PALIN-BACHMANN, 2012......."GIVE ESTROGEN A CHANCE!!!!")
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To: Al B.

I think there was a ‘disconnect’ from 2002 to 2008.

Now that most of the ‘leaders’ like Hastert, DeLay, Stevens in the Senate are now gone, a new era is upon us, led by pols in the GOP that actually ‘listen’ to those of us that don’t live inside the Beltway.


4 posted on 04/28/2009 9:07:50 AM PDT by Badeye (There are no 'great moments' in Moderate Political History. Only losses.)
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To: Al B.

***CORRECTION*******

“Holds the future of the GOP IN their hands.” lol


5 posted on 04/28/2009 9:08:28 AM PDT by wk4bush2004 (PALIN-BACHMANN, 2012......."GIVE ESTROGEN A CHANCE!!!!")
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To: Al B.

Yes, the Beltway GOP is sad and irrelevant.


6 posted on 04/28/2009 9:09:05 AM PDT by Retired Greyhound
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To: wk4bush2004

I know of another one in the South that is more electable.


7 posted on 04/28/2009 9:12:19 AM PDT by fightinbluhen51 ("MOLON LABE")
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To: Al B.

“It’s hard to imagine how the party of Ronald Reagan could let that happen, but it did.”
A few of the culprits:
George HW Bush
Bob Dole
Goerge W Bush
John McCain
Lindsey Graham
....


8 posted on 04/28/2009 9:13:22 AM PDT by US Navy Vet
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To: lormand

Republicans got lost on their way to acceptance, as a minority of course, inside the Beltway. They are victims of their own cowardice and lack of principles. Their own excessive deficts(tax cuts without spending cuts) made them look like exactly what they are, spineless.


9 posted on 04/28/2009 9:20:29 AM PDT by easttennesseejohn
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To: Al B.
This column is proof that Rasmussen lurks on FR.

Michael Steele should do so as well.

10 posted on 04/28/2009 9:35:21 AM PDT by Night Hides Not (Don't blame me...I voted for Palin!)
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To: Retired Greyhound

And very destructive and dangerous to America and the Party.


11 posted on 04/28/2009 9:36:42 AM PDT by mulligan (A)
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To: Al B.
The governing Republicans in the nation's capital have lost both on their continuing path to irrelevance.

Nothing news worthy about that!

12 posted on 04/28/2009 9:36:53 AM PDT by org.whodat (Auto unions bad: Machinists union good=Hypocrisy)
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To: US Navy Vet
Yep.

However, we have been down this road before. In 1976 we lost to Carter. In 1978 we purged the Rino's. Think Cliff Case in NJ, et al. And in 1980, up from the grass roots came Reagan. Who incidentally, beat GHWB.

Clean out the stables and take back congress in 2010 and Sarah Palin in 2012.

Spector is a traitor and good riddance.

13 posted on 04/28/2009 9:38:26 AM PDT by mick (Central Banker Capitalism is NOT Free Enterprise)
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To: Al B.

The party got a little better today.


14 posted on 04/28/2009 9:43:17 AM PDT by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: Al B.
Wow! Rasmussen gets it!

Which is truly profound since he's primarily a pollster.

15 posted on 04/28/2009 9:45:25 AM PDT by rhinohunter
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To: Al B.
Another good one Al.

The author is right. Reminds me of the late seventies. All the GOP whores in DC are doomed but the retaking will require slogging through the primaries one state at a time in 2010. And then the big battle in 2012 for Sarah.

16 posted on 04/28/2009 9:50:49 AM PDT by mick (Central Banker Capitalism is NOT Free Enterprise)
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To: mick
mick, I keep going back to what Gov. Palin said to Fred Barnes last Oct.:
Palin remains skeptical of Republicans. "I would love to promote the party ideals if we're going to live out the ideals and maybe allow other American voters to understand what the principles of the party are," she says. "We've got to be assured we have enough people in the party who will live out those ideals and it's not just rhetoric. Otherwise, I'd be wasting my time. There are a lot of things I would and should be doing."
She was right then and she's dead right to be distancing herself further from the mess that is the GOP establishment by moving SarahPAC to Alaska and not being part of that NRSC/NRCC fundraising stuff. She gets it.

BTW, that book I recently read by John O'Sullivan, "The President, the Pope, and the Prime Minister: Three Who Changed the World" draws some eerie parallels to the late '70s period that you mentioned. Very similar times. Check it out if you have the time.

17 posted on 04/28/2009 9:56:38 AM PDT by Al B.
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To: mick
The difference between then and now is that Reagan purposefully cultivated his ideology and base for 16 years prior to his election. There is no GOP savior in the ranks at this time. Palin could be the one eight years out if she does not die the death of a thousand cuts at the hands of the DNC and MSM.
18 posted on 04/28/2009 9:58:56 AM PDT by buckalfa (confused and bewildered)
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To: easttennesseejohn
deficits(tax cuts without spending cuts)

That's the Dem way of looking at it.

Revenues increased after the tax cuts, as they did under Kennedy and Reagan. Tax cuts were not part of the deficit problem, they were as close to being part of the solution as they could be.

The problem was, is, and will continue to be out of control spending.
19 posted on 04/28/2009 10:01:50 AM PDT by Phlyer
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To: mick

Palin is Bush redux.


20 posted on 04/28/2009 10:07:57 AM PDT by donna (Sarah Palin: " ...all of us, who consider ourselves progressive...")
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To: donna

That’s a serious charge. Please explain what you mean and what is your evidence.


21 posted on 04/28/2009 10:11:19 AM PDT by mick (Central Banker Capitalism is NOT Free Enterprise)
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To: mick

A possibility if not for the fact amnesty is practically assured now, and the Dems will have millions of new voters by 2010 and 2012.


22 posted on 04/28/2009 10:15:05 AM PDT by DangerZone
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To: mick

Her first big spending program is based on her own family’s problems. That’s a hint of the future for sure:

Oct. 24, 2008:
In her first policy address since joining the Republican ticket, Sarah Palin called for parents of special needs children to use federal funding to pick the school of their choice...

Palin also called for full federal funding of the Individuals with Disabilities Education Act, phasing in an additional $15 billion in funding over five years.

As opposed to President Reagan:
During the 1980 presidential campaign, Ronald Reagan dubbed the fledgling Department of Education “President Carter’s new bureaucratic boondoggle.”


23 posted on 04/28/2009 10:52:29 AM PDT by donna (Sarah Palin: " ...all of us, who consider ourselves progressive...")
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To: Al B.

If its not, it should be.

The only way the GOP can kick out the DemoCommies is by OPPOSING THEM. And the GOP National Leadership has demonstrated AGAIN AND AGAIN that they are spineless, gutless CAPONS.


24 posted on 04/28/2009 11:15:52 AM PDT by ZULU (Obamanation of Desolation is President. Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam.)
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To: Badeye

Until people like Michael Steele and the people who put him into his position are gone, I’m not holding out any sort of hope.


25 posted on 04/28/2009 11:20:21 AM PDT by mountainbunny (Mitt Romney: Collect the whole set!)
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To: donna; Al B.
Thank you. I will take your word for these being Sarah Palin's positions. I really don't know. And if true would not be something I would support. But , frankly, in context I think it is small potatoes. And as far as RR slamming the DOE, you are right. And he also promised to eliminate it. And as you know he didn't. Again, small potatoes.

On the big issues, like Individual Liberty, Small Government, Free Enterprise, RR had it right. IMO so does SP. In contrast to GWB who sold out every one of those principles in the end. I can not see SP ever saying, "I had to violate Free Market principles in order to save it".

I just don't think you have made the case for us fearing SP becoming Bush3.

26 posted on 04/28/2009 11:20:35 AM PDT by mick (Central Banker Capitalism is NOT Free Enterprise)
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To: Badeye

I hope you are right, but until people like Michael Steele and the people who put him into his position are gone, I’m not holding out any sort of hope.


27 posted on 04/28/2009 11:22:04 AM PDT by mountainbunny (Mitt Romney: Collect the whole set!)
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To: mick
Sarah Palin supported McCain's positions during the campaign, gave their speeches and even wore their clothes. They got a lot more loyalty from her than they deserved.

I think I'll wait until I hear post-election what her position is on additional Fed help for special-needs kids even though it is certainly, as you say, small potatoes compared to issues such as the return to founding principles and the pursuit of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness -- issues which she talked so eloquently and movingly about in Evansville.

28 posted on 04/28/2009 11:37:42 AM PDT by Al B.
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To: donna
I am also not comfortable with her past support of the Law of the Sea Treaty. It would help me to breath a little easier if I knew that she has repudiated that nonsense. I know the group "America’s Survival" sent her a letter asking that she "examine the facts concerning the U.N.’s Law of the Sea treaty". The last I heard, she had not answered them.

She has charisma and the potential to reach out to the public and inspire them but I can not support someone who would get behind something like L.O.S.T. I hope that she has reconsidered as I like her a lot.
29 posted on 04/28/2009 12:02:08 PM PDT by rob777 (Personal Responsibility is the Price of Freedom)
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To: mick
On the big issues, like Individual Liberty, Small Government, Free Enterprise, RR had it right. IMO so does SP

See, this is what I don't understand. You agree that you don't like the evidence I presented and then you ignored the evidence. Bush redux. In fact, that's the same way Obama got elected.

30 posted on 04/28/2009 12:13:16 PM PDT by donna (Sarah Palin: " ...all of us, who consider ourselves progressive...")
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To: Al B.
"I think I'll wait until I hear post-election what her position is on additional Fed help for special-needs kids even though it is certainly, as you say, small potatoes compared to issues such as the return to founding principles and the pursuit of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness -- issues which she talked so eloquently and movingly about in Evansville. "


I am more concerned that she did not reverse her support for the $700 Billion Wall Street bailout when she was prompted in a post election interview with Human Events political editor John Gizzi. She claimed that she was misled and that she did not have enough information, but basically defended her support for the bailout. She could have easily consulted the House Republicans who rejected the bill and offered a free market alternative, but she did not. This is NOT the behavior of someone poised to lead the conservative movement.
31 posted on 04/28/2009 12:26:53 PM PDT by rob777 (Personal Responsibility is the Price of Freedom)
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To: donna; Al B.
No. I didn't ignore the evidence. I tried to place the evidence you presented into context. I said I couldn't support the positions you mentioned.

But like Al B said, she was following the party ( MAC ) line.

And I tried to bring in RR to also lend a little perspective into the argument. No one expects to agree on every issue. But there are Big issues and Small issues. You are nit picking on what I consider small issues. Maybe they are Big issues to you. That's fine. But you are not giving us your criteria. I did.

I gave you the issues I consider critical for conservatives. If you show me where she has been in violation of those :ie: Individual Liberty,Small Government, and Free Enterprise.....AS HER OWN POSITIONS AND NOT PART OF HER LOYALTY TO THE TICKET IN 2008, then maybe you can make the claim that she is a potential Bush redux.

Otherwise, I think simple fairness requires you to hold your fire until she is out on her own running for President.

32 posted on 04/28/2009 12:28:16 PM PDT by mick (Central Banker Capitalism is NOT Free Enterprise)
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To: mick

Bush redux.


33 posted on 04/28/2009 12:49:06 PM PDT by donna (Sarah Palin: " ...all of us, who consider ourselves progressive...")
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To: rob777
She claimed that she was misled and that she did not have enough information, but basically defended her support for the bailout.

She defended it because it was the McCain position and because of what she was told, which was that it was a rescue. Nowhere in that interview did she say she supported TARP in the form that it took immediately after it passed. Period. She blasted "Bernanke and the others" for changing the rules right away after it was passed. She also said she fully supported the Republican opposition to the auto bailout.

Since then, she has opposed the stimulus and the other spending crap that has come out of Congress. Her fiscal year 2010 budget in Alaska has a 16% REAL reduction in outlays so far and she hasn't finished with the veto pen yet.

If you're trying to make the case that she's not a limited- government fiscal conservative, you're just flat wrong.

34 posted on 04/28/2009 12:53:11 PM PDT by Al B.
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To: mountainbunny

No endying Steele has been underwhelming.


35 posted on 04/28/2009 12:54:07 PM PDT by Badeye (There are no 'great moments' in Moderate Political History. Only losses.)
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To: Al B.
"She defended it because it was the McCain position and because of what she was told, which was that it was a rescue."


There was plenty of information available that indicated it would be a disaster. Numerous free market economists came out against it, as did the GOP House members, who even offered a free market alternative of tax cuts and deregulation. I do not fault Sarah for not bucking the McCain position, but I would like to see her admit that it was the wrong position now that the campaign is over. This would be less of an issue for me if she was not also on record as supporting the Law of the Sea Treaty, or L.O.S.T. Governor Palin seems a little inconsistent when it comes to supporting limited government. That may change with time, but for now I am a little wary. She has time to address these issues in a more consistent way should she decide to run in 2012. I will pay more attention to these things after the 2010 elections are over. For now that is what concerns me more.
36 posted on 04/28/2009 1:24:10 PM PDT by rob777 (Personal Responsibility is the Price of Freedom)
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To: rob777
I understand your concern on the L.O.S.T. situation. If she takes a position as a national candidate contrary to the interests of U.S. sovereignty, that would be a major problem for me. I don't think she will but will keep an eye on it.

If we can't change Congress in 2010 and get Obama out of the White House in 2012, none of it may matter anyway. And as Scott Rasmussen says in this article (and I agree completely with him), the GOP leadership is utterly lost right now.

37 posted on 04/28/2009 1:35:43 PM PDT by Al B.
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To: Al B.
"GOP leadership is utterly lost right now."


Sad, but true.
38 posted on 04/28/2009 2:04:29 PM PDT by rob777 (Personal Responsibility is the Price of Freedom)
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To: US Navy Vet
“It’s hard to imagine how the party of Ronald Reagan could let that happen, but it did.” A few of the culprits: George HW Bush

I hate to tell you this, but Ronald Reagan picked GH Bush as his vice president, which was the springboard for him to become president and was also how GW Bush became president.

39 posted on 04/28/2009 3:44:11 PM PDT by staytrue
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To: staytrue

“hate to tell you this” Don’t EVER talk down to me again! Where were YOU in 1980?! I was at the Iowa Caucus for Ronald Reagan. Bush would have NEVER been anything w/out Reagan!


40 posted on 04/28/2009 3:46:47 PM PDT by US Navy Vet
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To: Phlyer

Well said.


41 posted on 04/28/2009 5:42:18 PM PDT by 1035rep ("The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.")
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To: Badeye
a new era is upon us, led by pols in the GOP that actually ‘listen’ to those of us that don’t live inside the Beltway

Is that right. Just who might those be?

42 posted on 04/28/2009 7:37:16 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: hinckley buzzard

Boehner comes to mind first.


43 posted on 04/29/2009 10:34:03 AM PDT by Badeye (There are no 'great moments' in Moderate Political History. Only losses.)
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