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McAuliffe holds double digit lead vs Brian Moran, Creigh Deeds (McDonnell Leads All)
SurveyUSA ^ | April 28, 2009 | SurveyUSA

Posted on 04/28/2009 1:48:19 PM PDT by GOPGuide

A new poll gives Terry McAuliffe a double digit lead over Brian Moran and Creigh Deeds, his Democratic rivals for Governor.

But a majority of likely Democratic voters who responded to the News7 SurveyUSA poll say they may still change their mind.

But the bad news for all of the Democrats, Republican Bob McDonnell leads each of them in general election match-ups, though Deeds is closest with a difference of five percentage points.

Here is a look at the results:

Asked of 409 likely Democratic primary voters

Margin of Sampling Error for this question = ± 4.9%

If the Democratic Primary for Virginia Governor were today, who would you vote for? (candidate names rotated) Creigh Deeds? Terry McAuliffe? Or Brian Moran?

22% Deeds 38% McAuliffe 22% Moran 18% Other / Undecided

Asked of 1396 registered voters

Margin of Sampling Error for this question = ± 2.7%

Regardless of what you told us about the June 9th primary, thinking ahead now to the GENERAL election in November... If the only two names on the ballot for Governor of Virginia were Republican Bob McDonnell and ... Democrat Creigh Deeds, who would you vote for?

44% McDonnell (R) 39% Deeds (D) 17% Undecided

Asked of 1396 registered voters

Margin of Sampling Error for this question = ± 2.7%

What if the only two names on the November ballot were ... Bob McDonnell and Democrat Terry McAuliffe?

46% McDonnell (R) 39% McAuliffe (D) 15% Undecided

Asked of 1396 registered voters

Margin of Sampling Error for this question = ± 2.7%

What if it was Bob McDonnell against Democrat Brian Moran?

46% McDonnell (R) 34% Moran (D) 19% Undecided

The three Democrats are debating at the Institute for Advanced Learning and Research in Danville Tuesday night. There's just six weeks until the June 9 primary.

News7's Joe Dashiell will have highlights from the debate in Danville on News7 at 10 & 11.


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: bobmcdonnell; mcauliffe; mcdonnell; poll; surveyusa; terrymcauliffe; va2009
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Terible Terry will go down in flames in the Olde Dominion!

We have a good shot at sweeping VA, and NJ this year.

1 posted on 04/28/2009 1:48:22 PM PDT by GOPGuide
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Shouldn’t Hussein Obama be pulling Corzine and McAuliffe towards victory?

;)


2 posted on 04/28/2009 1:49:07 PM PDT by GOPGuide
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To: GOPGuide

This guy is a rabid dog that needs to be beaten...


3 posted on 04/28/2009 2:04:55 PM PDT by jessduntno (Obama is POTUS - we all know what POS means - does the TU stand for Totally Useless?)
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To: GOPGuide

these people are not even qualified for these jobs. What is it going to take for these people to wake. the whole country is in a coma.


4 posted on 04/28/2009 2:05:26 PM PDT by genxer
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To: GOPGuide; rabscuttle385

I cannot believe VA Democrats would be that moronic to nominate the toxic McAuliffe. Deeds would be the strongest candidate for them (since he likely gets NOVA in the bag and gets some rural support, too - although Deeds lost narrowly to McDonnell in ‘05). I still worry about internecine fighting in the GOP in the Old Dominion. We have a nasty habit of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory, and if we got for a three-fer, we’re going to lose the upper hand for redistricting, and the rodents will skull-f*** us into permanent minority status after we held 2/3rds of the legislature not even a whole decade ago.

As for NJ, if Corzine continues to trail against whichever R goes up, they might have to have a “Come to Jesus” moment to clear him out in favor of Dick Codey.


5 posted on 04/28/2009 2:07:02 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: genxer

Hmm, maybe a couple of suitcase n-bombs set off by our Mohammadan terrorist friends along with a side-order of bacteriological warfare (Oink-Flu, et al). All that fun stuff. And, hey, it’ll be fantastic to see the False One huddled in a cave with yellow-stained pants clinging to TOTUS for dear life crying out to mommie.


6 posted on 04/28/2009 2:09:34 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

King Corzine is an egomaniac who will never give up the nomination, especially when you consider he can sefl finance till the cows come home.

Of course this is NJ, and it is possible the Dems will call in a Tony Soprano type to explain to Corzine the facts of life, but still, Corzine is powerful and selfish enough that he has the nomination.


7 posted on 04/28/2009 2:10:23 PM PDT by GOPGuide
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To: GOPGuide

Torricelli was an even bigger egomaniac and they got him out of the way. They’ll find a way to get Corzine out of the way if necessary. People like him have skeletons, they all do. The rodents are always better at taking out their tainted people a lot better than we are. For a party that has absolutely no sense of morality or ethics, it’s a lot easier for ‘em.


8 posted on 04/28/2009 2:15:08 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: fieldmarshaldj
Deeds would probably be the strongest because he's the most moderate/conservative of the three. He's from Bath County, and he would compete very well with 2nd Amendment supporters and rural voters. The good news is that he will never raise the money necessary to beat either Moran or McCauliffe. I think McDonnell could take all three, but I'd much rather run against Moran or McCauliffe than Deeds.
9 posted on 04/28/2009 2:15:48 PM PDT by moose2004 (Stand up, speak out and help stop Obamacare and GE)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

“and they got him out of the way.”

Oh yeah, I forgot about the Torch.

Those guys at “waste management” are pretty persuasive, huh?


10 posted on 04/28/2009 2:18:04 PM PDT by GOPGuide
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Who do you think is weaker, McCauliffe or Moran?

I think McAuliffe because he was a Clinton money bagman and who knows how many skeletons he’s got in the closet.


11 posted on 04/28/2009 2:19:16 PM PDT by GOPGuide
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To: GOPGuide

George Allen was way ahead of Jim Webb. VA is going to be tight and tough. Clinton and Obama will be campaigning heavily here. Gov Kaine is the current DNC chair. If anything, the Reps are the underdogs, given the massive influence of Fairfax County and the rest of Northern VA.


12 posted on 04/28/2009 2:19:27 PM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar

George Allen was way ahead of Jim Webb.

Yes but still don’t think VA is THAT Democrat, Allen lost in a wave election.

2006 and 2008 were just terrible years for every Republican in the country.


13 posted on 04/28/2009 2:20:40 PM PDT by GOPGuide
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To: fieldmarshaldj

“VA Democrats would be that moronic to nominate the toxic McAuliffe.”

VA Democrats have LITTLE to do with it...

It’s the power of the Thunder Road Group and it’s associated Orgs and PACS like Morons.Org, Center For American Progress that are pushing McCauliffe forward.

He’s another Democrat that “Magicly” got filthy stinkin’ rich by “Serving” on a variety of cash-cow PAC boards, and made a mint while Global Crossing was ripping off it’s investors with cooked books.


14 posted on 04/28/2009 2:21:41 PM PDT by tcrlaf ("Hope" is the most Evil of all Evils"-Neitzsche)
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To: moose2004

Oh, exactly. I’m just saying if the Dems REALLY want to win this, they need to go with a home-grown candidate. McAuliffe is a world-class wackjob and carpetbagger. Moran isn’t much better, though.


15 posted on 04/28/2009 2:22:40 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: GOPGuide

GLOBAL CROSSING

keep up the mantra


16 posted on 04/28/2009 2:24:30 PM PDT by silverleaf (We live in interesting times: now the entire IRS works for a tax evader)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Torricelli was under a federal investigation (from CNN.com):

“Torricelli’s race had once been viewed as an easy win for his party, but Republicans have successfully made the incumbent’s ethics troubles — stemming from illegal 1996 campaign donations and questionable gifts — a campaign issue this year.”

“The Torch” was damaged goods, Corzine is not the subject of any federal investigation, he’s just a liberal idiot who happens to be the worst public speaker and debater I’ve ever seen. Go Chris Christie!!!


17 posted on 04/28/2009 2:25:07 PM PDT by moose2004 (Stand up, speak out and help stop Obamacare and GE)
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To: GOPGuide

Deeds is strongest, Moran after that (but I think he’d be a turn-off outside NOVA), and McAuliffe the most toxic and divisive. Anyone that ran the DNC in the last few decades is inherently corrupt. Look what they did to Ron Brown when he decided he wasn’t going to go to jail for that honkey Bubba.


18 posted on 04/28/2009 2:25:11 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: tcrlaf
In other words, he's a good Democrat. ;-)
19 posted on 04/28/2009 2:26:23 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

In the end McCauliffe will probably buy the nomination, although it will probably be close between him and Moran. I can’t wait for the carpetbagger from Rochester, NY to debate McDonnell. Go Bob!!!


20 posted on 04/28/2009 2:27:28 PM PDT by moose2004 (Stand up, speak out and help stop Obamacare and GE)
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To: moose2004

I can’t support Christie at all, he’s as bad as the last Governor with that name. The man is another cog in the liberal RINO machine that is killing the NJ GOP at warp speed. An apologist for illegals. He’ll be a predictable disaster as Governor.


21 posted on 04/28/2009 2:28:56 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: GOPGuide
Yes but still don’t think VA is THAT Democrat, Allen lost in a wave election.

The demographics of VA are chainging. When Kerry won Fairfax County in 2004, the first Dem to do that in 40 years, it was a harbinger of things to come. One third of the state's population now lives NoVa and it is becoming heavily Democrat. 27% of Fairfax County is foreign born. 20% of the state population is black, Asian 4.7% and Hispanic 6.3%.

Many of us conservatives are very upset with the Rep elites pushing Jeff Frederick out as a party chairman after we, the grassroots elected him at last year's convention. I expect a big food fight at this year's convention at the end of the month. A number of us are considering possible alternatives to express our dissatisfaction with the party. McDonnell is part of the problem and the one who institigated Jeff's removal. I know that many of us will not vote for him, preferring to leave the office blank. It was hard enough to hold our noses to vote for McCain. This time we are not going to be suckered into voting for RINOs.

22 posted on 04/28/2009 2:37:10 PM PDT by kabar
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To: fieldmarshaldj

The only reason I support Christie is because he’s probably the only Repub who could win. Ocean County would vote for a true conservative, but the rest of the State will want a moderate. While I don’t agree with him on some issues, I do agree with his call for fiscal restraint, smaller government and lower income and property taxes. Plus he’s a great debater (he’s a litergator) who will shred Corzine when they meet. Basically I support anyone who has a credible chance to beat Corzine.


23 posted on 04/28/2009 2:37:54 PM PDT by moose2004 (Stand up, speak out and help stop Obamacare and GE)
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To: fieldmarshaldj
Don't kid yourself. McAuliffe can win here. Obama and Bill Clinton will be providing lots of support and can mobilize the Dems with their star power along with reenergizing the huge grassroots effort that took VA in 2008.

We had a conversation prior to the 2008 election where I said that Obama would win VA given his strong grassroot organization [and money] that set up offices in 62 VA counties compared to McCain's 10. This is going to be a very, very tough race for the Reps to win. It is possible, but make no mistake about it, we are the underdogs.

24 posted on 04/28/2009 2:42:31 PM PDT by kabar
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To: fieldmarshaldj
I cannot believe VA Democrats would be that moronic to nominate the toxic McAuliffe.

Government check recipients (both "pay" checks and welfare checks) are now the majority in VA.That officially makes them a RAT state.So of course they'd nominate a scumbag like McAullife.Just think Barney Frank and Ted Kennedy if you need help understanding.Today's RAT "true believers"...which are the ones who donate and vote in primaries...are utterly amoral.It's that simple.

25 posted on 04/28/2009 3:10:50 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Christian+Veteran=Terrorist)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

“I cannot believe VA Democrats would be that moronic to nominate the toxic McAuliffe.”

I wish I had the ability to disbelieve anything these clowns could do...there is nothing impossible fo them to do no matter how far fetched or stupid...


26 posted on 04/28/2009 4:02:59 PM PDT by jessduntno (Obama is POTUS - we all know what POS means - does the TU stand for Totally Useless?)
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To: moose2004

The only thing you’ll get with Christie is a Massachusetts-style GOP (in other words, a totally dead party). Liberal Republicans are less than useless (reference Arlen Specter and the Maine Twins).


27 posted on 04/29/2009 10:24:40 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: kabar

I disagree on one point, it’s ours to lose. No polling data I’ve seen shows McDonnell losing this race. Even in rodent-leaning states, we often have an easier time winning Governorships than federal races (and vice-versa with Dems winning heavily GOP states). It’s odd, but it’s true.


28 posted on 04/29/2009 10:27:04 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: fieldmarshaldj
Until the Democrats come up with a named candidate, the polls are not that meaningful. Deeds is actually doing the best now, but the nominee will be either McAuliffe or Moran.

McDonnell is not that strong a candidate. He reminds me a lot of Kilgore. What I have seen and heard at various Rep functions that had McDonnell as a speaker are not encouraging. He is trying to be more of a moderate Republican hoping to cut into the Dems stronghold in NoVA. He is weak on immigration issues. He sided with the elites of the party on removing Jeff Frederick, which has angered many of us conservatives. We are holding rump meetings now to develop a strategy for the convention to show our displeasure. Many, including myself, will probably not vote for him. There is talk of a third party conservative candidate running. This would drain votes from McDonnell.

We have lost the governorship the last two times. During that period the Dems have taken over the Senate and we are holding on barely to the House of Delegates. The state is definitely shifting from red to blue.

I can't emphasize enough the role demographics is playing. For example, in Fairfax County where I live the population increased from 818,584 in 1990 to 1,006,576 in 2007. In 1990, whites were 665,399; blacks 63,325, Asians 69,338, and Hispanics 51,874. In 2007, whites were 681,130 ; blacks 93,658, Asians 158,666; and Hispanics 133,548.

As you can see, the 25% increase in population was essentially minorities. Blacks increased by 50%, Asians by more than 100%, and Hispanics almost tripled. The number of whites remained essentially the same. 278,498 or 27.7% of the county's population is foreign born. Similar changes are being experienced in neighboring counties.

29 posted on 04/29/2009 11:26:51 AM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar
"Until the Democrats come up with a named candidate, the polls are not that meaningful. Deeds is actually doing the best now, but the nominee will be either McAuliffe or Moran."

I think we're seeing a pattern. The Dems have a problem that they don't have a first-tier candidate right off the bat. We do.

"McDonnell is not that strong a candidate. He reminds me a lot of Kilgore. What I have seen and heard at various Rep functions that had McDonnell as a speaker are not encouraging. He is trying to be more of a moderate Republican hoping to cut into the Dems stronghold in NoVA. He is weak on immigration issues."

I doubt he's anything like Chris Christie.

"He sided with the elites of the party on removing Jeff Frederick, which has angered many of us conservatives."

I've heard differing accounts on the removal of Frederick, the least of which had to do with ideology and more to do with competence. I've seen lots of folks that are decent Conservatives, but only a rare few are fit to serve in an outright leadership capacity.

"We are holding rump meetings now to develop a strategy for the convention to show our displeasure. Many, including myself, will probably not vote for him. There is talk of a third party conservative candidate running. This would drain votes from McDonnell."

I'm going to tell you straight out that if you do this something like that, and McDonnell loses by a narrow margin, you will guarantee the VA GOP becomes the minority party for the forseeable future. I'm trusting you aren't that petty and vindictive. We need a GOP Governor there to preside over redistricting. You get a Governor McAuliffe in there and a narrow Dem majority in 2011, and you'll be lucky to squeeze 2 or 3 House seats and maybe 1/3rd of the legislature after 2012. Is that what you want ?

"We have lost the governorship the last two times. During that period the Dems have taken over the Senate and we are holding on barely to the House of Delegates."

We lost the Governorship three times during the '80s and early '90s (1981, 1985, 1989).

As for the demographics, the GOP better start to do what it should've been doing all along, aggressively selling our policies to non-Whites. Putting all your eggs in one racial basket can be a recipe for disaster in a state that ain't all White.

30 posted on 04/29/2009 12:15:37 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: Corin Stormhands

Did you want to comment on this thread and post #29 ?


31 posted on 04/29/2009 12:16:23 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: fieldmarshaldj; kabar; EDINVA; iceskater; xyz123; Corin Stormhands; jla; Flora McDonald; ...
Did you want to comment on this thread and post #29 ?

Well, not really, but I will take a stab at this...

"We are holding rump meetings now to develop a strategy for the convention to show our displeasure. Many, including myself, will probably not vote for him. There is talk of a third party conservative candidate running. This would drain votes from McDonnell."

This has to be the most stupidest, head-up-the-buttedness, moronic idea I've heard.

YES, the whole Frederick Affair disgusted me. It was mishandled from the get go. But Frederick is also a buffoon.

If he, or his followers try to upset the convention they will indeed doom Virginia to another four years. But this time it will be Terry McAuliffe who wins. Because Terry-Mac is going to buy the nomination. It's that simple.

So, if in all your ideological pureness you can stand the thoughts of Governor McAuliffe and daily visits from Bill Clinton, Paul Begala and James Carville, and if you want to validate the legacy of the Eyebrow ...then go ahead and stage your little hissy-fit.

McDonnell is not perfect. I am not incredibly enthusiastic about him or his candidacy. But is hs mostly solid on the issues.

But this is bigger than petty disagreements and intra-party squabbles.

32 posted on 04/29/2009 12:44:53 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands ("Failed Obama Administration" (TM))
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To: Corin Stormhands

I.can’t.take.it.anymore. All of them are as stupid as a box of rocks.

If McDonnell fails to look at the Tea Parties and what they really mean, then he deserves to lose.


33 posted on 04/29/2009 1:03:09 PM PDT by iceskater (Increased taxation and government spending is NOT the way to prosperity.)
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To: moose2004

>I can’t wait for the carpetbagger from Rochester, NY to debate McDonnell. Go Bob!!!<

Be very, very careful with the “carpetbagger from New York” message. That’s one of the mistakes that got Virgil Goode, one of Congress’ most conservative members, ousted by the unknown Tom Perriello this past November. Goode kept hammering home that Perriello was a “New York lawyer”, which was debunked by Perriello’s parents, speaking out with obvious Virginia accents.


34 posted on 04/29/2009 1:10:32 PM PDT by Darnright (There can never be a complete confidence in a power which is excessive. - Tacitus)
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To: Darnright; moose2004

Yeah, but McAuliffe has already stuck his foot in his mouth with a being from the “real New York.”


35 posted on 04/29/2009 1:15:00 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands ("Failed Obama Administration" (TM))
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To: Corin Stormhands

Thank you. Well put.


36 posted on 04/29/2009 1:15:39 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

It sorta struck a nerve.


37 posted on 04/29/2009 1:16:57 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands ("Failed Obama Administration" (TM))
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To: fieldmarshaldj
I've heard differing accounts on the removal of Frederick, the least of which had to do with ideology and more to do with competence. I've seen lots of folks that are decent Conservatives, but only a rare few are fit to serve in an outright leadership capacity.

I have been intimately involved with this issue. It had more to do with ideology than anything else. As a delegate to last year's RPV Convention, I was among the 60% of the voters who elected Jeff to be the new chairman, the first such chairman in 12 years to win election at a convention and the first in 16 years to win a contested convention.

This is clearly a putsch by the fossilized elites of the party who are trying to regain power using trumped up charges and less than democratic means to do so. Clearly, Jeff Frederick and people like him represent the future of this party. He is energetic, tech savvy, and committed to Conservative values and principles. This is about the grassroots versus the elites.

I'm going to tell you straight out that if you do this something like that, and McDonnell loses by a narrow margin, you will guarantee the VA GOP becomes the minority party for the forseeable future. I'm trusting you aren't that petty and vindictive. We need a GOP Governor there to preside over redistricting. You get a Governor McAuliffe in there and a narrow Dem majority in 2011, and you'll be lucky to squeeze 2 or 3 House seats and maybe 1/3rd of the legislature after 2012. Is that what you want ?

You have to be willing to lose in order to win. I heard this same BS about the need to support McCain. I did and I regret it. I worked the phones, handed out sample ballots at early voting and on election day. I contributed money. Never again will I support a RINO using such fallacious reasoning. If the Reps continue to just be another wing of the Dem party, it won't matter who is governor.

As for the demographics, the GOP better start to do what it should've been doing all along, aggressively selling our policies to non-Whites. Putting all your eggs in one racial basket can be a recipe for disaster in a state that ain't all White.

More moderate Rep garbage. There is no special appeal to minorities unless you want to imitate the Democrats and adopt their policies. Our appeal needs to be universal, not one taliored to playing identity politics. Reps must be willing to take a principled stand on issues even if it means polarization, being the object of demagoguery, and short-term losses. Unless Republicans redefine the battlefield and terms of engagement, they will continue to lose the war.

The Republican Party has failed miserably to counter the Democrat political strategy on the issue of immigration. They have been cowed and intimidated fearing that unless they adapt to the new demographic reality forged by mass immigration over the past 45 years, the GOP will become politically irrelevant and powerless. These fears resulted in the nomination of Presidential candidate John McCain, a self-described maverick who supported amnesty and pandered to extremist groups like the National Council of La Raza (The Race). On the issue of immigration, the American people were offered an echo, not a choice in 2008 with both Obama and McCain holding the same views.

FYI: In 2008, if John McCain had received 60 percent [vice 55 percent] of the white vote, he would have won even if Barack Obama had received the entire Hispanic vote. Credible surveys indicate that the major policy concerns of Hispanics/Latinos were no different than the concerns of non-Hispanics/Latinos. The economy and jobs topped the list.

There is little evidence that immigration policy was an influential factor in Hispanics’/Latinos’ choice between the two candidates once basic party predispositions are taken into account. The size of the Latino voting population should be kept in perspective alongside other subsets of the electorate. An estimated 11.8 million voters were of Latino ancestry, compared with 17 million African Americans, 19.7 million veterans, 23.6 million young people, 45 million conservatives, and 34 million born-again white Christians.

FYI:

38 posted on 04/29/2009 1:24:58 PM PDT by kabar
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To: Darnright

“Goode kept hammering home that Perriello was a “New York lawyer”, which was debunked by Perriello’s parents, speaking out with obvious Virginia accents.”

Terry McCauliffe is an anti - 2nd Amendment big government tax and spend liberal from upstate New York who has already publicly discussed his roots. Nothing he can hide here. But the real issues will be McCauliffe’s support for restrictions on the 2nd Amendment, higher taxes, out of control spending and his irrational exuberant support for Obama’s big government plans.


39 posted on 04/29/2009 1:25:53 PM PDT by moose2004 (Stand up, speak out and help stop Obamacare and GE)
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To: moose2004

>the real issues will be McCauliffe’s support for restrictions on the 2nd Amendment, higher taxes, out of control spending and his irrational exuberant support for Obama’s big government plans.<

Isn’t that the truth!


40 posted on 04/29/2009 1:32:06 PM PDT by Darnright (There can never be a complete confidence in a power which is excessive. - Tacitus)
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To: Corin Stormhands
YES, the whole Frederick Affair disgusted me. It was mishandled from the get go. But Frederick is also a buffoon.

You are the buffoon. Frederick was elected by 60% of the convention vote. If he is to be removed, let the grassroots do it, not some central committee of elitists. I bet if Jeff were to run at the end of May, he would be reelected. I sat in on a Prince William County GOP meeting that passed a resolution unanimously that Jeff should be retained as chairman. You sound like a Specter Republican who cannot believe that someone would even consider running against him in the primary. Don't the grassroots have a right to express their opinions and select their party chairman?

So, if in all your ideological pureness you can stand the thoughts of Governor McAuliffe and daily visits from Bill Clinton, Paul Begala and James Carville, and if you want to validate the legacy of the Eyebrow ...then go ahead and stage your little hissy-fit.

Call it what you want, but to us it is a matter of principle. I could care less about the results if the Rep party becomes another wing of the Dem party. McDonnell is not perfect. I am not incredibly enthusiastic about him or his candidacy. But is hs mostly solid on the issues. But this is bigger than petty disagreements and intra-party squabbles.

We heard this same BS as to why we should support McCain. McDonnell supported the putsch against Jeff. He and his ilk started this food fight in the run up to this campaign where Reps have a golden opportunity to win. Instead, they decide to divide the party among elites and the grassroots. Et tu, Brute?

41 posted on 04/29/2009 1:34:37 PM PDT by kabar
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To: Darnright

I hope McCauliffe or Moran is the nominee, I think Deeds would give McDonnell the toughest fight.


42 posted on 04/29/2009 1:35:39 PM PDT by moose2004 (Stand up, speak out and help stop Obamacare and GE)
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To: moose2004

Warner and Kaine are carpetbaggers and they did fine. It plays well in NoVA, where one-third of the voters live.


43 posted on 04/29/2009 1:36:59 PM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar
You sound like a Specter Republican...

That's all I need to read. You're not worth arguing with.

44 posted on 04/29/2009 1:37:44 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands ("Failed Obama Administration" (TM))
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To: kabar

But they don’t have a Rochester accent like Terry, and they aren’t on video saying they’re from the “real New York” (upstate).


45 posted on 04/29/2009 1:43:18 PM PDT by moose2004 (Stand up, speak out and help stop Obamacare and GE)
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>I hope McCauliffe or Moran is the nominee, I think Deeds would give McDonnell the toughest fight.<

I have far less problem with Deeds than I do the others. McCauliffe is the most likely to pull out every dirty trick in the book to win and we’ve got to be on our toes to beat him. Chain the cemetary gates shut if Terry gets the Democratic nod.


46 posted on 04/29/2009 1:47:47 PM PDT by Darnright (There can never be a complete confidence in a power which is excessive. - Tacitus)
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To: Darnright

McCauliffe can also raise all the money he’ll need and then some.


47 posted on 04/29/2009 1:49:49 PM PDT by moose2004 (Stand up, speak out and help stop Obamacare and GE)
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To: kabar

If you can’t distinguish between getting 85% of what we want or the alternative is slicing our own throat, I don’t know what to tell you. But you pull that 3rd party crap, Hoss, and as far as I and the rest of us are concerned, you’re working for McAuliffe’s election.

It was already stated Frederick was removed due to incompetence. I said already that being a Conservative alone doesn’t automatically qualify you to lead a party. You seem to think it does. What you need in VA is someone successful like SC’s Katon Dawson, probably the best state party chairman in the country.

And if you think I’m about selling out Conservative positions to mimic Democrats, I submit my 8 years of posts here to disavow you of that right off the bat. I LIVE next door to that “illegal” problem, and you’d better believe they don’t come much more unapologetic on that issue than I.

I’ll reiterate to you again, this party has done a HORRIBLE job at selling its message outside of the post-1960s constituencies (and it ain’t exactly doing a bang-up job with the ones that are). They don’t go into the Black/LEGAL Hispanic communities, they don’t walk the streets, they don’t actively recruit or FUND the candidates, and they sure as hell don’t even ASK for their votes. And we act surprised when their votes go overwhelming for the rodents. When it comes to politics, just like it comes to clothes and education, one size does NOT fit all. And you’re not going to be able to pull off a racial appeal to White people, either, because Whites don’t vote as a bloc (nor should we be about appealing “exclusively” to White voters).


48 posted on 04/29/2009 1:59:11 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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And you are not worth listening to. You don’t know sh*t from shinola, which is why the Rep Party has become the stupid party.


49 posted on 04/29/2009 2:01:29 PM PDT by kabar
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To: moose2004

Kaine has a upper midwestern accent.


50 posted on 04/29/2009 2:02:14 PM PDT by kabar
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