Skip to comments.FAA Memo: Feds Knew NYC Flyover Would Cause Panic
Posted on 04/28/2009 9:23:47 PM PDT by GVnana
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I am not a pilot, but I play one on tv. Seriously, a flight like this required LOTS of preplanning and LOTS of people involved. You cannot take a cessna up without lots of paperwork and such. What really bugs me is the fact that this was done. Who in the world wouldn’t know that this would absolutely freak the New Yorkers out. This admin is a combination of incompetence and out right evil. It’s just hard to tell when either is at play.
Also, do not count on the media getting to the bottom of this issue. obambi will make a pronouncement and it will be so. Same ol Same ol.
Very good point! The only time we've seen that before was in the Harrison Ford film.
So was this for a film or (as you say) a thrill ride?
What is the signficance? Google 187th Fighter Wing of the Alabama Air National Guard...
So what, you say??
One word: Tuskegee
Got the picture yet??
Bull! Now they have "new" photographs that "prove" Obomas friends weren't responsible for 9/11 - Bush blew up the towers!
They have a plane, NY buildings, and a panicked population.
Brace yourselves. These "Newly released 9/11 pictures" will be hitting the Internet soon.
see my post above.... make any sense yet?
The Friends, during their obligatory 100 Days Celebration (yipee!), are still covering this story and playing the 911 calls all morning.
BLOOMBERG KNEW! Fake outrage from the Mayor yesterday, claiming he wasn't informed.
Remember "Turk 182", anyone? Let's just paraphrase:
"OBAMA FLEW, AND BLOOMBERG KNEW!"
New York voted for him.
My thoughts exactly. That plane was not empty.
This was a test. 0bama wanted to see if it would get any reaction and would use that in saying the country is safe now that he is in charge. NOT!
Michelle and the kids.
I have a hard time believing that with the current pair of VC-25’S, having been in service since 1990, they have never taken the opportunity of shooting them over lower Manhattan and S.O.L. before now.
I talked to my brother who is a pilot and has quite a few opinions concerning the FAA none of them very good.
He told me he believes that it never would have occurred to the FAA to tell local authorities to keep the flyover a secret .That they are so absorbed in there own self importance that worrying about the little people is not something their minds are capable of.
No, in NY—Union Square.
Obama looks more and more like a coke headed drunk who caught a buzz and wanted to cruise the hood in his pimped out jet. At hangover central the next day he has to deal with the panic he stirred up on top of a bad head. No wonder he is angry.
arrogant, selfish, narcissistical, retards.
You beat me to it by seven and a half hours.
You’re misinterpeting a lot of things here. Nobody said anything about the FAA “clearing military flights for air worthiness”. The FAA absolutely needs to be told and was told about these flights because the FAA is in charge of managing the incredibly crowded airspace around NYC, but they were probably not clear on just how close to buildings the planes would be flying.
And nobody said anything about President Obama being “kept out of the loop” for any reason, and certainly not because the flight was “so highly classified”. You can be sure that President Bush (or possibly Clinton, whoever was President at the time) had no clue about the details or timing of the AF1 flight that took the pictures of AF1 flying over Mount Rushmore — the picture that the new Statute of Liberty picture was intended to replace. In the normal course of events, publicity photos of Presidential hardware is trivia that the President doesn’t need or want to know about, so of course he wouldn’t have known about this one, other than perhaps to have approved the general idea of a photo of AF1 with the Stature of Liberty in the background to replace the Mount Rushmore photo (which was some sort of official publicity photo of AF1).
If some White House PR dude suggests to the President that the AF1-Rushmore photo be replaced with an AF1-Statue of Liberty, the normal repsonse from any President would be “Yeah, sure Joe, that sounds like a nice idea, go ahead and do it.” The President is not going to assume that the US Air Force requires supervision to accomplish this task — he probably wouldn’t even trouble himself to consider whether the photo would be shot directly or Photoshopped, much less how close to the Statue of Liberty the plane might fly if the photo was taken directly. It’s not his job. He has discovered the hard way, that one or more people in charge of things like military flights and AF1 are nowhere near as competent as he might have assumed (and remember, there’s no evidence that anyone directly involved with executing this “mission” is an Obama appointee — senior military personnel don’t change with administrations, and President Obama has even retained President Bush’s Secretary of Defense). Louis Caldera presumably made the same assumptions when he approved the photo-taking flights — again, he was almost certainly approving it in a very general way, reasonably assuming that the people who’ve been operating AF1 and fighter jets for many years, would continue to do so in a sane and rational manner.
What’s pretty clear is that there were communication failures at various levels, including within the NYC government. The people in Mayor Blooomberg’s administration who got the notification and didn’t bother to mention it to the Mayor, assumed that the flights were to be carried out in a way that wouldn’t cause any public alarm beyond a handful of people calling 911 for reassurance when they saw a jumbo jet being tailed by a fighter jet somewhere off in the distance. They very reasonably didn’t imagine that the planned flights were going to go unreasonably close to buildings in a way that was guaranteed to cause mass panic — they assumed the US military knows what the he!! it’s doing and wouldn’t do something colossally stupid. Somewhere up in the military, presumably somebody had planned the flight in detail, but then somewhere between that person and the person directly notifying the FAA, local governments, etc, there was a miscommunication about the specifics of the flight and thus about the need to either suubstantially modify it or do a large-scale advance public announcement about it. Again, there’s no evidence that any Obama appointees were involved in this chain of miscommunication. We won’t help avert future incidents like this, by pointing fingers at the wrong people.
What a way to avoid saying what everyone knows...I WAS AIR FORCE ONE fercryinoutloud!
All in the OBVIOUS attempt to avoid the TOTUS association.
George Orwell would be proud of this media.
note; yes. yes I know that unless the TOTUS in on board it isn't technically “air force one”. But come off it...ask any person to name that plane when they see a photo of it and they'll call it that too. So before the technicality nannies get all over my case, I thought I'd throw that note in.
That’s why I don’t buy this “photo op” cover...we could have easily paid a pro photoshopper $10,000 to doctor up some really good photos of the presidential plane with iconic scenery in the background, come out ahead financially, and not caused a panic.
There’s more to it than what they’re letting on. My theory is that they wanted to see how the public would react, as a sort of study. Why else would they have chosen to do so when people were just getting to work? They wanted it to feel just like it did 7 1/2 years ago...
sounds like a legalistic liberal church.
Search through Proverbs.
There are many nuggets of truth that will support your desire for wisdom and speaking the truth.
...or find a grace filled conservative church.
But whatever you do, do NOT give then free rent inside your head.
This story tells me there’s more about this incident than we’re hearing even now.
I'm pretty sure Bush ordered the stunt on Jan 19th, just to set Obama up for embarrassment!
Who else but a SADIST
(who employed "gallows humor" on 60 Minutes in front of millions of newly-impoverished Americans)
allows a pilot to slowly fly a 747 at a *dangerously* low altitude over the NY skyline?
When he said “the White House has it right” he was responding to the post that stated “they think they’re playing many of us for fools.”
This sentence is where the warning flag pops up. We MUST stop the total control of our lives by the centerlized government in Washington D.C.
Apologize to horses everywhere NOW. She is Aunt Ester from Sanford and son.
Hey, there's an idea. Perhaps the Obama administration should consider nationalizing the media, to ensure unbiased, truthful reporting.
. . . Is a sarcasm tag needed here?
If Obama is surprised this happened, the only explanation is a HIJACKED AF-ONE! Too bad the MSM has drank all the kool-aid. Maybe we should email the UK news and ask them to get to the bottom of this or Canada...
Not at all. That's why I'd like to see the FAA memo. CBS has a history with memos. ;)
Does anyone know if the memo is online somewhere?
This link explains the act of Federal Terrorism against the people of NYC.
FAA Memo: Feds Knew NYC Flyover Would Cause Panic
Threatened Federal Sanctions Against NYPD, Secret Service, FBI & Mayor’s Office If Secret Ever Got Out
Furious Obama Apologizes: “It Will Never Happen Again”
Excerpted go to the link for full story:
I’m sure there’s a whole series of memos and e-mails. Locating the exact source of the screw-up will be a challenge. My best guess is that there was just a disconnect between the people who knew the precise plan for the flights and the people farther down who were responsible for getting needed notifications out. It’s probably very standard procedure for any planned AF1 flights to be kept classified, except when it’s a flight involving a publicly-announced trip with POTUS, in which case a whole different set of policies and security measures are in place. Somebody near the end of the communication line probably did not have precise info about the unusual flight plan (i.e. that it involved locations and maneuvers likely to cause full-scale public panic if not publicly announced in advance), and applied the standard classification policy because doing so is clearly required unless a very clear exception has been ordered. Somebody higher up the line who did know the precise flight plans probably assumed it was so obvious that this required public notification, that he assumed that would be taken care of by people further down the line. Somehow, the info “this is exactly what the planes will do” got separated from the line of communication in which somebody orders somebody to order somebody to order somebody to make the proper notifications.
Yes, but I'm looking for the memo specifically mentioned in the article.
Democrat talking heads and politicians accused President Bush of being a cowboy, among other things. They squealed about his use of AF1 on September 11, 2001, for starters.
He would no more dream of sending his 747 with a military jet escort to buzz Manhattan and Jersey, than he would think of doing any of the other catastrophic changes that the Obama admin is perpetrating on the country.
This did not result in death, that we know of, like the invasion of the Branch Davidian complex did, but it is on the same order of arrogance.
Has Michelle’s whereabouts been verified for tht time period of the flight? She said she likes to “slip out” and do “fun” things. I’m inclined to believe that someone important was on the plane.
“sounds like a legalistic liberal church.”
Oh no, quite the contrary. Just a small percentage of ignorant people...I only mentioned church, because I do go to church with SOME of them...there are others...it seems to be some of the Christians’(in general, not one church) mindsets out there. I think my church is wonderful, please do not misunderstand. I have been to bbbbbaaaaddddd ones before.
And don’t worry about me getting persuaded to that way of thinking....I’m a tough nut to crack. ;0) “strong-willed” is what my mother calls it....hahahah...
Freepers said this monday.. I am just shocked the memo got out!! WOW
Hmmmm, photo-op vs psy-op
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