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FAA Memo: Feds Knew NYC Flyover Would Cause Panic
CBS via Drudge Report ^ | 4/28/2009

Posted on 04/28/2009 9:23:47 PM PDT by GVnana

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To: GVnana
I keep hearing and reading "Federal officials" knew. "Federal officals" threatened NYPD, Secret Service, etc. I want names! Why hasn't the media asked for names and answers. I want to see these people answer questions NOW!

"White House Office of Military Affairs"?

Yeah, right. UH-HUH! Does anyone think they could order this by themselves? I don't think BO is behind this, though I wouldn't be suprised. I think it's his handlers, the people who are REALLY running things in this country. BO is just a setup for the behind-the-scenes people who are making the decisions and then telling BO what to say, and I wouldn't be surprised if lovey-wife Michelle is at the top of this pyramid.

Even the press is covering for BO's administration mistakes, as seen by the fact that no one has been asked to answer for this idiocy yet. More than likely, the media are giving BO time to set their ducks up and get their stories straight before trotting the "story" out to the press.

Wouldn't want the pajama-majadeen to find the chinks in the armor before they can sell their "story"!!!

51 posted on 04/28/2009 10:12:32 PM PDT by jeffc (They're coming to take me away! Ha-ha, hey-hey, ho-ho!)
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To: GVnana

My second thought is that the pilots of both planes used as Air Force One are the most professional and proficient in the world. One wonders what they now know that would cause them to do something so “unprofessional”. They are obligated to follow orders. However, their professional advise and caution was not heeded. To me that means that whomever ordered this exercise was unmindful of what the consequences might be.
Sometimes following orders is what we do when the orders are so insane that we want someone to take notice of the ineptitude and incompetence of those giving them.


52 posted on 04/28/2009 10:17:15 PM PDT by madinmadtown (It is good to be right.)
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To: GVnana
There are two identical Presidential aircraft. the moniker “Air force One” is only used when the president id aboard. If the White house called it Air force One, then we must assume the President was aboard.
53 posted on 04/28/2009 10:17:43 PM PDT by BigCinBigD ('When a man believes that any stick will do, he at once picks up a boomerang,')
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To: madinmadtown
Right, and I won't fault the military who takes orders from this clown however convoluted it might seem. He's been in campaign mode ever since being Immaculated and I wouldn't put it past him or bozos like Axelrod to have dreamed this whole scenario up for a re-election campaign ad.

If he's gonna be genuinely furious, he should look the part, and not smile while he's being furious. Even the Toon was able to fake it.

54 posted on 04/28/2009 10:18:16 PM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity)
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To: GVnana

You mean the one with “I believe I can fly” and the flyover??? LOL

After 4 years of Obama it will be interesting to see how much Kool-Aid the Obama cult followers will swallow. 2012 is going to be an interesting year..end of the world or not.


55 posted on 04/28/2009 10:18:47 PM PDT by jakerobins
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To: All

Guys, I need some FREEPER advice...

sorry to use this thread, but it seemed like an appropriate one...

Ok, here’s my problem...I am somewhat “condemned” by other Christian conservatives (friends, people I go to church with, etc.)...for making fun of Obama and the dems....I am told (in not so many words)that I should pray for him (which of course I do...Good Lord!)...but they get really offended (not just at me, at others also)if we make a light hearted joke about the size of the stimulus for example...and they tend to be judgmental about it...I believe, with things being so serious that if we don’t laugh SOME...we would go nuts....

What I need is a good freeper comeback...or else I’m gonna get ticked off and spew something unchristian I am afraid...Please help...all you smart and witty freepers!


56 posted on 04/28/2009 10:20:52 PM PDT by DrewsMum (Let me get this straight--We can kill babies by mutilation, but we can't throw water on our enemies?)
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To: DrewsMum
Sounds to me like your friends may be Christian, but hardly conservative.

Sometimes you've gotta laugh to keep from crying.

57 posted on 04/28/2009 10:22:55 PM PDT by ponygirl
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To: D-fendr

No kidding for the rumored cost for this being 380K, I could do some top notch 3D CGI work give them a more versatile result. You want Air force One flying above Manhattan at night? Sure. Doing a barrel roll over the golden gate bridge? You got it.


58 posted on 04/28/2009 10:26:26 PM PDT by miliantnutcase
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To: GVnana
Next thing you know SnoBama is going to tell us that some guys in the Pentagon decided to play a prank on the White House and take Air Force One for a joyride.
59 posted on 04/28/2009 10:26:42 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Sprechen sie Austrian?)
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To: GovernmentShrinker
FAA isn't in charge of clearing military flights for air worthiness, NORAD is. This was such a total secret even Bloomberg didn't know about it until it was all over the local NYC media. Obama is currently flooding the media with a bunch of bullcrap, hoping something will stick. Meanwhile, Obama claims he is unaware of the incident and only learning it the same way we learned about it.

It's a complete steaming pile of bullcrap we've come to expect from this incompetent bunch. I cannot believe for one millisecond that this was so highly classified that even the president was kept out of the loop.

60 posted on 04/28/2009 10:27:47 PM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity)
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To: ponygirl

Thank you. It is quite frustrating. It’s like they want everyone to just be quiet and pretend that the obvious isn’t happening. They are conservative, but I don’t think they realize just how much ANTI-CONSERVATIVE that he is...


61 posted on 04/28/2009 10:28:35 PM PDT by DrewsMum (Let me get this straight--We can kill babies by mutilation, but we can't throw water on our enemies?)
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To: GVnana
I'm not going to believe this was a photoshoot until I see the bloody GD photos.

And as another FReeper pointed out, who's going to use a single-seat F-16 as a camera platform?!?

Here's the scenario - Mr. Red-Tail Fighter Pilot is going :

Yeah, right. What utter BS. Unless I see the shots, I'm calling this one a joyride for an arrogant VIP.

62 posted on 04/28/2009 10:30:08 PM PDT by Yossarian (Everyday, somewhere on the globe, somebody is pushing the frontier of stupidity...)
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To: DrewsMum
The problem isn't with him being Anti-Conservative. It's his Anti-Americanism that rubs me the wrong way.

That, and his horse-faced wife.

63 posted on 04/28/2009 10:30:41 PM PDT by ponygirl
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To: VeniVidiVici

That or he’ll start dumping all over the Air Force for creating such utter chaos and panic. He takes great joy in dumping on the military as it is.


64 posted on 04/28/2009 10:31:11 PM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity)
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham

From Wikipedia: Louis Caldera (born April 1, 1956) served as United States Secretary of the Army from July 2, 1998–January 20, 2001, the 17th man to hold that office. He is currently serving in the Obama administration as Director of the White House Military Office, responsible for all military support for White House operations.


65 posted on 04/28/2009 10:31:29 PM PDT by zot
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To: kennyboy509
"Fighters can photograph but the quality sucks. There are better platforms to take pictures from. I submit to you that da bigg 0 loaned AF1 to one or more of his buddies for a fly-by and he will soon be outed."

You may be right, maybe there was another photo plane? The fighter is tailing AF-One. That would be a crappy shot. .

Somehow the photo-op story just seems odd to me.

66 posted on 04/28/2009 10:31:51 PM PDT by cookcounty (Late-term abortion advocate Barack Obama preaching about torture. How stupid can you get?)
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To: Yossarian
Yeah, right. What utter BS. Unless I see the shots, I'm calling this one a joyride for an arrogant VIP.

Guess AF-1 is the new Lincoln Bedroom... if the price is right.

67 posted on 04/28/2009 10:32:06 PM PDT by ponygirl
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To: tet68

Where was Obama during the duration of the flight? Where was Michelle?

Why do WE have to think up the questions for our lazy press corps?


68 posted on 04/28/2009 10:37:00 PM PDT by cookcounty (Late-term abortion advocate Barack Obama preaching about torture. How stupid can you get?)
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To: CondorFlight

soros?


69 posted on 04/28/2009 10:41:01 PM PDT by Senormechanico
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To: GVnana

At the moment of the impact, suicide pilot Steve “X” is NOT kenyan. He has a british passport and the name is “Hussein Obama II”.
*** HORRIBLE TRUTH *** about ‘Obama’ overflying New York and “Human Cattle” freaking out
1. Search for Obama here:
http://engforum.pravda.ru/showthread.php?t=248354

2. Do not click the first result below, before you got what is explained in step 1.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=suicide+obomber


70 posted on 04/28/2009 10:45:45 PM PDT by VlPu
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To: miliantnutcase

Obama pimps his ride.


71 posted on 04/28/2009 10:50:33 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: DrewsMum

Take them to Romans 13 and then inform them we live in a democracy, not a monarchy or a Roman Empire. In a Democracy a citizen, if he is a good citizen, is OBLIGATED to make his opinions known to both the authorities and the electorate. To fail in this is to allow others, by default, to oppress others.

Explain to them that silent obedient types made Hitler possible.


72 posted on 04/28/2009 10:51:14 PM PDT by cookcounty (Late-term abortion advocate Barack Obama preaching about torture. How stupid can you get?)
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To: True Republican Patriot
"THIS was an Act of TERROR WROUGHT on ALL NEW YORKERS BY ZERO, HIMSELF! "

AMEN! Are you idiot New Yorkers gonna vote for this muslim again?

73 posted on 04/28/2009 10:51:32 PM PDT by matthew fuller (BHO- The new Jim Jones. USA- The new Jonestown.)
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To: ponygirl
"That’s it! I’d bet a whole bucket of chicken and waffles it was either Fidel or Chavez!"

I'll call that bet and raise you two watermelons and a gallon of ice cream and say that it was George Soros.

74 posted on 04/28/2009 10:58:40 PM PDT by matthew fuller (BHO- The new Jim Jones. USA- The new Jonestown.)
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To: BigSkyFreeper

He’d throw anyone under the bus to save his hide...look at what he did to dear old Grandma, the white racist.

I think some VIP tourists were on that plane. I bet the line of thinking was, “Hey, they’ve used the plane for photo ops before, let’s do that and we’ll put so-and-so on for the ride!”

Once they get in the air, somebody with enough pull to put the pilot’s butt in a sling if there was a refusal, “requests” that they do some sightseeing.

A quick google image search shows pictures of AF1 going past Mt. Rushmore, but I couldn’t find any credit for the photo, as you would expect to see if it was DOD...in fact, I saw at least one site selling the image.

It might be public domain, or it might have been taken by Boeing before they handed it the aircraft over...it would be very interesting to get the particulars behind that Mt. Rushmore photo op. When was it taken? Were there fighter escorts then? Who took the pictures, and from what aircraft?

Someone with some knowledge of who owns the pictures should be able to shed a lot of light on how and why they are taken.

It would also be interesting to see if the schedules for Dem VIPs can be checked to see if any of them were free for the time that the flight took place...


75 posted on 04/28/2009 10:58:55 PM PDT by M1911A1
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To: GVnana

This whole story doesn’t pass the smell test. I am a commercially licensed pilot but I don’t know the procedures with Air force one in such airspace. normally an aircraft would be under the control of the ATC Center. There should be a recording of the transmissions between the center and the aircraft. I would sure like to hear these tapes. If they refer to the plane as “Air Force One” then it would mean that the President was aboard. If the F-16’s where there to take photos then why were they in trail? What about the steep bank angles? It looked more like they were turning on a point. Any commercial/military pilots out there who know more about these procedures?


77 posted on 04/28/2009 11:08:08 PM PDT by kik5150
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To: DrewsMum
"if we make a light hearted joke about the size of the stimulus for example."

So far, his stimulus appears to be HUGH!

78 posted on 04/28/2009 11:13:34 PM PDT by matthew fuller (BHO- The new Jim Jones. USA- The new Jonestown.)
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To: ponygirl
"That, and his horse-faced wife. "

That, and his bow-legged horse-faced terrorist wife. amendment 1.

79 posted on 04/28/2009 11:19:38 PM PDT by matthew fuller (BHO- The new Jim Jones. USA- The new Jonestown.)
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To: GovernmentShrinker

AF1 doesn’t need a fighter escort. It’s capable of defending itself if it comes under attack.


80 posted on 04/28/2009 11:22:08 PM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity)
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To: ak267

Another one for the “What if Bush had done it?” file, right next to the “What if Sarah had said it?” file. Both getting rather thick since this dingaling took office.


81 posted on 04/28/2009 11:26:30 PM PDT by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order.)
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To: cookcounty

but, Romans 13 says that if you don’t honor the govt then you don’t honor God...ick...


82 posted on 04/28/2009 11:29:24 PM PDT by DrewsMum (Let me get this straight--We can kill babies by mutilation, but we can't throw water on our enemies?)
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To: ponygirl
That, and his horse-faced wife.

..why the long face Michelle, can't find a belt to go with that sweater?

83 posted on 04/28/2009 11:38:04 PM PDT by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: DrewsMum

They get offended if you joke about the size of the stimulus package?

Do they think no one should question the actions of the U.S. government and leaders? Just let the politicians do whatever they want to do??

Now that is a joke! Surely, your friends have more sense than that.


84 posted on 04/28/2009 11:46:25 PM PDT by Cedar
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To: Cedar

acquaintances mostly really... and I would not count on them having more sense than that...


85 posted on 04/29/2009 12:01:26 AM PDT by DrewsMum (Let me get this straight--We can kill babies by mutilation, but we can't throw water on our enemies?)
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To: DrewsMum

How about Matthew 21:12, John the Baptist.. and how often do you read.. “Jesus turned and rebuked them.” ? But then again not all Christians aspire to be Christ-like. Too many believe that we should be “nice” to everyone.


86 posted on 04/29/2009 12:05:51 AM PDT by usar91B (Mossberg 590 A1.)
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To: GVnana

It was a “photo op” of Air Force One ordered by the White House for purely patriotic and essential reasons.

It had nothing to do with politics and Zer0 knew nothing about it, because obviously he does not care about politics and only cares about the people.

That’s why it was kept secret under penalty of prosecution.

Make sense?


87 posted on 04/29/2009 12:09:55 AM PDT by angkor
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To: ak267

If Bush had done it in his first term, he would never have gotten reelected. Period.


88 posted on 04/29/2009 12:18:28 AM PDT by TheThinker (America doesn't have a president. It has a usurper.)
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To: kik5150
What about the steep bank angles? It looked more like they were turning on a point.

Didn't the planes on 9/11 do steep bank angles as you call them. It's almost as if it's mimicking that fateful day.

Just chilling.

89 posted on 04/29/2009 12:51:30 AM PDT by TheThinker (America doesn't have a president. It has a usurper.)
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To: JennysCool

Maybe Georgie Soros was on board....the real Prez


90 posted on 04/29/2009 1:08:32 AM PDT by tina07 (In loving memory of my father,WWII Vet. CBI 10/16/42-12/17/45, d. 11/1/85 -Happy B'day Daddy 2/20/23)
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To: ccmay

Bush and Sarah would NEVER have done this, period.


91 posted on 04/29/2009 1:14:24 AM PDT by tina07 (In loving memory of my father,WWII Vet. CBI 10/16/42-12/17/45, d. 11/1/85 -Happy B'day Daddy 2/20/23)
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To: DrewsMum

Well, as a Christian, you know that we aren’t suppose to judge. However, we are commanded to resist and confront evil. If your Christian friends can’t tell the difference, then I wouldn’t bother discussing the matter with them.

I don’t have to tell you that a lot of Christians have lost their way. The Scriptures are clear and Jesus’ teachings are precise. But, we do have free will.


92 posted on 04/29/2009 1:22:08 AM PDT by BlessingsofLiberty
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To: DrewsMum; All

“Ok, here’s my problem...I am somewhat “condemned” by other Christian conservatives (friends, people I go to church with, etc.)...for making fun of Obama and the dems....I am told (in not so many words)that I should pray for him (which of course I do...Good Lord!)...”

You are better than I. I don’t pray for them, as they are destroying the country intentionally.

I hear what you are saying. However, we must be in the world but not of it. We must render Ceasar his due—which is not only money. Christ turned over the tables and called out those who use the temple eggregiously and selfishly. We have regligious reasons to argue and complain about. We also have a country we love and wish to protect. Fighting comes in many forms. David used a slingshot. Joshua actually fought. And Moses, well, you know that story.

The Commandments speak of what not to do to your neighbor. 0bama is not our neighbor. We are Christian soldiers, fighting here all the same—with words here, and laws. Shall we wait to fight until there is no country left? This may well turn into the Last Crusade for Christ.

My opinion only.


93 posted on 04/29/2009 1:47:25 AM PDT by combat_boots (When the government controls the captial, all that is left is tyranny. Tagline by Redwarning.)
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham

threatened federal sanctions

.
add to that, Just who is threatened federal sanctions?


94 posted on 04/29/2009 2:49:18 AM PDT by Son House (Make A Bad Situation Worse, Raise Taxes, Increase Government Spending, Thanks Øbama)
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To: 444Flyer

A way they can mock Capitalist Americans together


95 posted on 04/29/2009 2:51:33 AM PDT by Son House (Make A Bad Situation Worse, Raise Taxes, Increase Government Spending, Thanks Øbama)
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To: Do the math

Zero and his buddies have no respect for the value of a tax dollar

point


96 posted on 04/29/2009 2:53:12 AM PDT by Son House (Make A Bad Situation Worse, Raise Taxes, Increase Government Spending, Thanks Øbama)
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To: GVnana
FAA Memo: Feds Knew NYC Flyover Would Cause Panic

Fo' shizzle...

97 posted on 04/29/2009 3:00:19 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: kennyboy509

Where were Michelle and Oprah?


98 posted on 04/29/2009 3:12:18 AM PDT by NoExpectations
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To: GVnana
***A furious President Barack Obama ordered an internal review of Monday's low-flying photo op over the Statue of Liberty.***

Heck, why should Obama be furious since his whole existence is just one photo op after another.

99 posted on 04/29/2009 3:23:35 AM PDT by tobyhill ("Hope and Change" is so overrated!)
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To: ak267
If this was done under the Bush Adm, the MSM would be going Ape Sh*t 24/7.

This story is not going away. We all need to see to that.

100 posted on 04/29/2009 3:35:06 AM PDT by jersey117
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