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Will Your Flu Shot Protect You Against Swine Flu?
ScienceNOW Daily News ^ | 28 April 2009 | Jon Cohen

Posted on 04/29/2009 11:03:48 PM PDT by neverdem

The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention strongly doubts that this year's flu vaccine will offer people any protection from the swine flu. "We don't think that any of the existing vaccines are effective," acting CDC Director Richard Besser said yesterday at a press conference.

But some flu vaccine researchers and public health experts say the jury is still out. "If I hadn't already had the vaccine, I'd take it," says Robert Webster, a flu guru and vaccinemaker at St. Jude Children's Research Hospital in Memphis, Tennessee.

CDC's Daniel Jernigan says experiments with ferrets done there suggest that the current vaccine has no power against the H1N1 strain of swine flu now circulating the globe. CDC researchers took ferrets never infected with an influenza virus and injected them with this year's vaccine, which has an H1N1 component of human, not swine, origin. They then tested the ferrets' blood sera, the part that contains antibodies triggered by the vaccine, against the swine H1N1 from the outbreak. "The sera do not provide any protection," says Jernigan.

Then again, as Jernigan acknowledges, antibodies provide only one type of immunity triggered by the vaccine.

The vaccine can also stimulate the cell-mediated arm of the immune system, the part that clears infected cells from the blood. The ferret model did not further test the possibility that vaccination leads to milder disease. And many elderly people may also have some immunity from previous infections with similar influenza viruses or previous vaccinations. "There's a lot of information that we don't have," says Jernigan.

Julio Frenk, dean of Harvard School of Public Health in Boston and the former secretary of health in Mexico, like Webster, suspects that the vaccine may do some good. Frenk notes that Mexico has excellent vaccine coverage of children under 5 years old and the elderly, the two groups that have been spared in this outbreak. "There's a likelihood that there's at least partial protection," says Frenk, who was in Mexico City at the time.

Webster, who says he wouldn't expect much from the current vaccine because the H1N1 in it differs markedly from the new strain, still says it may make the difference between developing a mild illness and death.

You can find our full coverage of swine flu--including breaking news on the latest developments--here.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Testing
KEYWORDS: ah1n1; flu; health; influenza; medicine; swineflu

1 posted on 04/29/2009 11:03:50 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: Mother Abigail; EBH; vetvetdoug; Smokin' Joe; Global2010; Battle Axe; null and void; ...

micro ping


2 posted on 04/29/2009 11:05:34 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: neverdem

probably not. Since it doesn’t even work for any other flu either.


3 posted on 04/29/2009 11:06:33 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: neverdem

Hey, am I the only one who finds the incessant coverage of a flu outbreak concurrent with the just-now-emerging effort to push Obama’s “health care” plan, well, a little bit too much coincidence?


4 posted on 04/29/2009 11:06:37 PM PDT by advance_copy (Stand for life or nothing at all)
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To: neverdem

Google “influenza vitamin d” or read this http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/51913.php


5 posted on 04/29/2009 11:07:08 PM PDT by orlop9
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To: advance_copy

Yep, I think that you’re right on... This seems to be just another fortunate red light opportunity for him. I do think that this is a bit overblown - but what do I know. If this actually does become a problem, I will be one of the few who are saying - whatever... Sorry, but it seems that these kind of scares only happen when needed...(and this is a long way from an actual scary flu epidemic)...


6 posted on 04/29/2009 11:12:34 PM PDT by Deagle
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To: advance_copy

You’re not the only one.


7 posted on 04/29/2009 11:22:26 PM PDT by donna (Air Force One: WHO WAS ON THE PLANE? WHO ORDERED THE FLIGHT?)
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To: neverdem

Wash your friggin’ hands and walk away from anyone sneezing or hacking. No flu shot necessary.


8 posted on 04/29/2009 11:23:22 PM PDT by Chet 99
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To: orlop9

Thanks for the link.


9 posted on 04/29/2009 11:25:09 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: orlop9

What an interesting article. I won’t get it then, because I take Vitamin D.


10 posted on 04/29/2009 11:31:13 PM PDT by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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To: neverdem

Rumor: If muslims die of Swine Flu they cannot enter heaven...


12 posted on 04/29/2009 11:34:54 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: pissant
probably not. Since it doesn’t even work for any other flu either.

I've taken the flu shot twice -- and got sick both times. No more!

13 posted on 04/29/2009 11:48:38 PM PDT by calcowgirl (RECALL Abel Maldonado! - NO on Props 1A 1B 1C 1D 1E 1F)
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To: calcowgirl

A few years back our company paid for all of us to get a flu shot (there was an especially rough flu season anticipated). I was one of two in the office that declined. I did not get the flu, but nearly everyone else did.


14 posted on 04/29/2009 11:58:06 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: orlop9

Excellent article. I’ve been taking 2000 IU/day for a couple of years, since reading about the same phenomenon in Life Extension Magazine.

I had no flu shot this year, and didn’t get sick (though I did get sick and tired of my wife bitching at me to get the shot). I will most likely double the dose to 4,000 IU as a preventative measure, and get the wife and kids on it as well. I’m also emailing that article to everyone I know, with instructions to forward it to their contact list. Everyone reading this ought to do the same, ensuring that word of this spreads quickly.

The best thing about Vitamin D (and it is really D3, which almost all formulations use, and which is very easily and completely absorbed) is that it is dirt cheap. At Sam’s club I paid about $8 for a bottle of 400 2000 IU pills. Beats the crap out of the vaccine (which, of course, didn’t help with this strain) on several fronts (cost, pain, effectiveness), and definitely beats Tamiflu (something like $90 a dose recently, plus you need to be sick to get it. I’m sure that the drug industry would like to ban Vitamin D, except in its own patented formulations.


15 posted on 04/30/2009 12:10:35 AM PDT by Ancesthntr (Tyrant: "Spartans, lay down your weapons." Free man: "Persian, come and get them!")
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To: pissant

I took it under similar arrangements — at work. They were right downstairs and charged $5, I think. I thought, what the heck?

I thought it was a fluke the first time I got sick, so I did it again a couple years later.

I may change my mind when I’m older but for now, as long as I’m in good health, they can keep their syringes to themselves.


16 posted on 04/30/2009 12:11:27 AM PDT by calcowgirl (RECALL Abel Maldonado! - NO on Props 1A 1B 1C 1D 1E 1F)
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To: neverdem
No ....
The best thing to do is keep your immune system healthy.
Does that DanActive really work in keeping your immune system healthy ?
17 posted on 04/30/2009 12:35:09 AM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM .53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart, there is no GOD.)
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To: Ancesthntr

I think the word is getting around, the Wally World here just put up a display with Vitamin D3 on sale 2 for 1.


18 posted on 04/30/2009 12:40:59 AM PDT by orlop9
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To: calcowgirl
I've taken the flu shot twice -- and got sick both times. No more!

I've had almost every Flu imaginable. No shots for me either.
I'm not bullet proof, but my immune system is working perfectly.

God Bless.

19 posted on 04/30/2009 12:46:09 AM PDT by MaxMax (America's population is 304-Million. Obama must punish America for the other 4.7 Billion)
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To: orlop9

Thanks for the post. I’m going to send it to my e-mail list.


20 posted on 04/30/2009 1:32:52 AM PDT by beaversmom
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To: Ancesthntr

I take vitamin D also, but nowhere near 2000 IU. Is there ever a danger of taking too much vitamin D?


21 posted on 04/30/2009 2:15:39 AM PDT by Mila
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To: advance_copy

-no, you aren’t.
It’s a very convenient “crisis”
-and after nothing happens, they can claim they averted a pandemic.


22 posted on 04/30/2009 2:37:17 AM PDT by FBD (My carbon footprint is bigger then yours)
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To: neverdem

???

http://gunnyg.wordpress.com/2009/04/29/re-germ-warfare-biowar-etc/


23 posted on 04/30/2009 2:45:41 AM PDT by gunnyg
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To: Mila

To my undertanding, you get about 10,000 IU from less than a half hour of full body sun exposure, so 2,000 IU doesn’t sound particularly problematic.

I know Vitamin C is water soluble, and dosage is to tolerance, meaning if you start having digestive issues, back off the daily intake until you no longer have problems.


24 posted on 04/30/2009 2:50:09 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: Mila

Check here http://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/vitamind.asp


25 posted on 04/30/2009 3:37:00 AM PDT by orlop9
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To: 2ndreconmarine; Fitzcarraldo; Covenantor; Mother Abigail; EBH; Dog Gone; ...

Ping! (Thanks, neverdem!)


26 posted on 04/30/2009 7:26:23 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: neverdem

What about people who got the swine flu vaccine from 30 years ago?


27 posted on 04/30/2009 8:47:37 AM PDT by GOPJ (We sleep safe..because rough men stand ready..to visit violence on those who would do us harm-Orwell)
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To: neverdem
I want to know if my Pneumonia shot will protect me against the pneumonia from the swine flu?

sw

28 posted on 04/30/2009 8:50:09 AM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife)
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To: pissant
Since it doesn’t even work for any other flu either.

Completely false.
29 posted on 04/30/2009 8:52:47 AM PDT by mysterio
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To: GOPJ
What about people who got the swine flu vaccine from 30 years ago?

If I got the flu last year, will I have immunity against the flu this year?

In general, a person who is infected with an influenza virus one year will have some immunity to closely related viruses that may persist for one or more years. For example, if someone was infected with the A/New Caledonia/20/99-like strain of H1N1 that predominated during the 2006-07 season, they are likely to have some immunity that will protect them if they are exposed to that strain or a closely related strain again during the 2007-08 season. The degree of protection depends on the health of the person involved. Young and healthy people with normal immune systems will likely have good immunity against the same or closely related strains of virus from one year to the next. However, people with weakened immune systems are less likely to have immunity that carries over in other years. It's important to remember that influenza viruses are constantly changing so antibody made against one strain will become less effective against new strains as influenza strains evolve over time. In addition, there are different types of influenza viruses circulating and different variants within virus types, and the same type of flu virus does not necessarily circulate each year. For instance, during the 2006-07 flu season, influenza A (H1N1) viruses predominated; however, infection with an influenza A (H1N1) virus (and subsequent antibodies protecting against re-infection with the same virus) would not provide protection against influenza B or influenza A (H3N2) viruses.

30 posted on 04/30/2009 8:54:54 AM PDT by mysterio
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To: RegulatorCountry; orlop9

Many, many thanks to both of you kind Freepers for the good information.


31 posted on 04/30/2009 9:52:48 AM PDT by Mila
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To: neverdem

Where do I go to get a vaccine against all the Obamabullshite?


32 posted on 04/30/2009 9:54:54 AM PDT by GOYAKLA (My Tee shirt for 2009-2012:" I voted FRED don't you wish you did")
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To: hosepipe

If a Muslim contracts the “Swine” flu the he is an infidel and must be killed by true believers. It’s in the Ko-ran. /sarc. ???


33 posted on 04/30/2009 9:59:29 AM PDT by GOYAKLA (My Tee shirt for 2009-2012:" I voted FRED don't you wish you did")
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To: spectre

The pneumonia shot is for Pneumococcal pneumonia (aka Streptococcus Pneumoniae), so it would help to head off a pneumococcal pneumonia, but not a pneumonia caused by a different kind of bacteria. Bottom line: it helps, but won’t totally protect, as there are many different organisms which cause pneumonia (although Pneumococcal is one of the most common AND most deadly; it’s what killed Jim Henson).


34 posted on 04/30/2009 10:17:54 AM PDT by Born Conservative (Bohicaville: http://bohicaville.wordpress.com/)
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To: Mila

You can have ill effects from too much Vitamin D. However, the same applies to water.

From what I’ve read, the upper limit on a consistent daily dosage before there’s a danger is 10,000 IU. I know people who take 50,000 each 2 weeks (plus, of course, what they get in their diet, which amounts to a few hundred a day), but if you average that out it is under 3,500 IU/day.

I, personally, wouldn’t take more than 5,000/day unless a doc told me to do so. What you take, or how much you receive via the Sun, in any one particular day, or even week, is of fairly low significance. You should be in absolutely no danger at 2,000 IU/day (though, of course, I’m not only not a doctor, I’m not your doctor, so this isn’t medical advice, yada, yada, yada) - and I take that much myself and have for a couple years. No ill effects, just less sickness (despite my horrid sleep habits, which by all rights ought to run down my immune system).


35 posted on 04/30/2009 10:26:59 AM PDT by Ancesthntr (Tyrant: "Spartans, lay down your weapons." Free man: "Persian, come and get them!")
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To: Ancesthntr

Thank you so much for your very helpful input on this. I think I’ll go with 2000 IU/daily and see what happens. I take a small supplement and try to sit for at least 15 minutes in the direct sunlight everyday, but I can see how that is just a drop in the proverbial bucket.


36 posted on 04/30/2009 10:58:16 AM PDT by Mila
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To: orlop9

Thanks for posting.


37 posted on 05/01/2009 6:35:50 AM PDT by sweetiepiezer (I have a Pal in Sarah)
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To: All

Living in Phoenix, I think I am covered in the Vitamin D department.


38 posted on 05/01/2009 3:08:45 PM PDT by riri
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To: Ancesthntr

There is something to this Vitamin D recommendation.

A couple of years ago I was standing in line for a flu shot and struck up a conversation with a nice gentlemen.

When I asked him if he was geting a shot, he replied “No. I came here to bring my wife because she wants the shot. I, myself, have never had a flu shot nor have I ever had the flu.”

The gent was 80 years old, and a lifelong farmer, exposed to umpteen doses of natural Vitamin D from the sun!


39 posted on 05/01/2009 3:14:27 PM PDT by Palladin (Waterboard Nancy Pelosi!)
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To: whatisthetruth

FYI

See this article from post #5 regarding Vitamin D and getting sick (specifically influenza):

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/51913.php

Looked up Vitamin D on the internet—looks like it is also good for your heart.


40 posted on 05/01/2009 4:34:41 PM PDT by beaversmom
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