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New Wrinkle On Avoiding Jury Duty
The Smoking Gun ^ | 04/30/09 | Staff

Posted on 04/30/2009 9:54:52 AM PDT by DFG

There are probably better ways to avoid jury duty than the approach recently taken by a Montana man. After Erik Slye, 36, received a jury notice earlier this year, he filed a notarized affidavit seeking to be excused from serving on a District Court panel in Gallatin County. Slye's caustic affidavit, which he prepared with help from his wife Jennifer, can be found below.

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1 posted on 04/30/2009 9:54:52 AM PDT by DFG
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To: DFG

Though it’s funny ... it’s misguided IMO. Jury nullification may be one of our last weapons against the tyranny of the government


2 posted on 04/30/2009 9:57:52 AM PDT by clamper1797 (FUBO ... protege of the unholy union of Karl Marx and affirmative action)
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To: DFG

Hahahahah,
“I’d rather count the wrinkes on my dog’s balls than sit on a jury.”

All he had to ask was, “Is this going to be a fully informed jury?”.


3 posted on 04/30/2009 9:58:04 AM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: DFG
After the OJ Verdict I suppose many people feel that way.

Deep inside, anyway.

4 posted on 04/30/2009 9:58:30 AM PDT by Gorzaloon (Roark, Architect.)
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To: DFG

His momma must be so proud.


5 posted on 04/30/2009 9:59:04 AM PDT by freespirited (Is this a nation of laws or a nation of Democrats? -- Charles Krauthammer)
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To: Gorzaloon
Well, at least in that instance, justice was eventually served. Karma's a bitch.
6 posted on 04/30/2009 9:59:20 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: DFG

I like this line:

“I would rather count the wrinkles on my dogs balls than sit on a jury”


7 posted on 04/30/2009 9:59:35 AM PDT by dirtman
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To: DFG

I always comply with jury duty....then I sit in the pool room with my bible, Rush Limbaugh book, or some other appropriate reading material in plain sight. For some reason, I’m never selected.


8 posted on 04/30/2009 10:00:25 AM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: DFG

Actually, given the Carter/Clinton and soon to be Obamaloon judges, what is the point of a jury?

Easy guide to justice.

1) If defendant is supported by liberal causes, is an illegal alien, or a real crook ...they will be found innocent.
2) If defendant is actually innocent and is a Caucasian or Asian, they will be found guilty.

Oh, that constitution? Fogettedabowdit.

There - we’ve saved the system a whole lot of money.


9 posted on 04/30/2009 10:01:32 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: anniegetyourgun

Yep, that means juries consist of people who weren’t smart enough to figure out how to get out of doing jury duty.


10 posted on 04/30/2009 10:01:51 AM PDT by dfwgator (1996 2006 2008 - Good Things Come in Threes)
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To: DFG

I know judges who would seat him to teach him a lesson.


11 posted on 04/30/2009 10:03:15 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: anniegetyourgun

Maybe we can take this and use it when Obama wants to make us buy a government made car, paint a bridge or have one of our children serve with his brown shirts.


12 posted on 04/30/2009 10:04:32 AM PDT by Patrick1 (I'm not calling in sick; I'm calling in gone!)
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To: DFG

I couldn’t do this because my dog has been neutered.


13 posted on 04/30/2009 10:06:47 AM PDT by StandUpChuck
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To: dfwgator

The attorneys see to that.


14 posted on 04/30/2009 10:06:53 AM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: anniegetyourgun

Our county sent out a jury informations package. It included a form to be filled out and sent back. One of the questions was how do you feel about sitting on a jury. I pointed out that I had been a victom of crime, the suspect was released with a wrist slap from the court and if I was on a jury, that would never happen.

Ten years later and I haven’t heard back from them.


15 posted on 04/30/2009 10:08:24 AM PDT by dangerdoc (dangerdoc (not actually dangerous any more))
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To: clamper1797

I fail to see the humor in it. The guy’s a jerk to write something like that and a moron for thinking he wasn’t going to be held accountable for it, an ingrate for not accepting his responsibilities.(I wonder how he would react if he were trying to put together a jury) He should have jailed!


16 posted on 04/30/2009 10:08:42 AM PDT by ontap (Just another backstabbing conservative)
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To: DFG

Fifteen words to the judge during voir dire: “I got no problem with the Negro [White, Mexican, or other ethnic group] man as long as he knows his place”.

Say it with a thick East Texas accent and it works every time.


17 posted on 04/30/2009 10:11:00 AM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: DFG
If he doesn't believe in our justice system, why bother writing an affidavit?
18 posted on 04/30/2009 10:12:01 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: ontap
an ingrate for not accepting his responsibilities.(I wonder how he would react if he were trying to put together a jury) He should have jailed!

I bet you're proud to pay your taxes too.

19 posted on 04/30/2009 10:12:16 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government,)
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To: ontap

I agree ... and not for the reasons that the government would like ...


20 posted on 04/30/2009 10:12:39 AM PDT by clamper1797 (FUBO ... protege of the unholy union of Karl Marx and affirmative action)
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To: DFG

I got thrown out when I was being questioned about “Party Law”

That is when you are with someone who commits a crime, you are guilty too.

All I asked was, “what if it is bus full of nuns and the driver robs a 7-11, are the nun’s guilty?”

The Judge was not smiling when I got my release.


21 posted on 04/30/2009 10:12:59 AM PDT by hadaclueonce ("Endeavor to persevere.")
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To: ontap
I fail to see the humor in it.

Ok. I thought it was funny how he put it, and it 's funny that he sent it, and its funny that those beauracrats got their panties in a wad over it. Just overall funny.

22 posted on 04/30/2009 10:14:52 AM PDT by Nonstatist
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To: DFG

Jury
All by Mark Twain.

We have a criminal jury system which is superior to any
in the world; and its efficiency is only marred by the
difficulty of finding twelve men every day who don’t
know anything and can’t read.
- 4th of July speech 1873

An ignorance so shining and conspicuous as yours—now
I have it—go on a jury.
That is your place.
- New York Weekly, 7/14/1873
(letter originally written to Josh Billings, 3/1873)

Our admirable jury system enabled the persecuted
ex-officials to secure a jury of nine gentlemen
from a neighboring asylum and three graduates from
Sing Sing, and presently they walked forth with
characters vindicated.
- The Gilded Age

The jury system puts a ban upon intelligence and
honesty, and a premium upon ignorance, stupidity
and perjury.
It is a shame that we must continue to use a worthless
system because it was good a thousand years ago...
I desire to tamper with the jury law.
I wish to so alter it as to put a premium on intelligence
and character, and close the jury box against idiots,
blacklegs, and people who do not read newspapers.
But no doubt I shall be defeated—every effort I make
to save the country “misses fire.”
- Roughing It

On the inquest it was shown that Buck Fanshaw, in the
delirium of a wasting typhoid fever, had taken arsenic,
shot himself through the body, cut his throat, and
jumped out of a four-story window and broken his neck—
and after due deliberation, the jury, sad and tearful,
but with intelligence unblinded by its sorrow, brought
in a verdict of death “by the visitation of God.”
What could the world do without juries?
- Roughing It

The humorist who invented trial by jury played a colossal
practical joke upon the world, but since we have the
system we ought to try and respect it.
A thing which is not thoroughly easy to do, when we
reflect that by command of the law a criminal juror must
be an intellectual vacuum, attached to a melting heart a
nd perfectly macaronian bowels of compassion.
-”Foster’s Case,” New York Tribune, 3/10/1873


23 posted on 04/30/2009 10:16:02 AM PDT by HuntsvilleTxVeteran ((B.?) Hussein (Obama?Soetoro?Dunham?) Change America Will Die From.)
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To: tet68

Why is that?


24 posted on 04/30/2009 10:17:28 AM PDT by Vision (Obama is a jive turkey)
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To: clamper1797
fullyinformedjuries"... There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one MAKES them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. ......just pass the the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced nor objectively interpreted -- and you create a nation of law-breakers -- and then you cash in on guilt. Now that's the system, Mr. Reardon, that's the game, and once you understand it, you'll be much easier to deal with."- p.411, Ayn Rand, ATLAS SHRUGGED, Signet Books, NY, 1957 "...
25 posted on 04/30/2009 10:18:25 AM PDT by WOBBLY BOB (ACORN:American Corruption for Obama Right Now)
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To: clamper1797
Jury nullification may be one of our last weapons against the tyranny of the government

Not to many jury's have enough sense to use it. I would never set on a jury and find in favor of the IRS.

But then I also agree with the man's excuse!!!

26 posted on 04/30/2009 10:18:31 AM PDT by org.whodat (Auto unions bad: Machinists union good=Hypocrisy)
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To: from occupied ga; ontap
ontap ~ an ingrate for not accepting his responsibilities.(I wonder how he would react if he were trying to put together a jury) He should have jailed!

from occupied ga ~ I bet you're proud to pay your taxes too.

Or would be if only they were higher.

Here in Silicon Valley the judges warn that they will not tolerate jury nullification in their courts.

27 posted on 04/30/2009 10:18:52 AM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 101 of our national holiday from reality.)
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To: dangerdoc
that and a picture of a hangman's noose works well.
28 posted on 04/30/2009 10:20:24 AM PDT by org.whodat (Auto unions bad: Machinists union good=Hypocrisy)
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To: clamper1797

Jury nullification is a two edged sword powered by a boomerang.


29 posted on 04/30/2009 10:21:05 AM PDT by monocle
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To: monocle

How so ...


30 posted on 04/30/2009 10:22:09 AM PDT by clamper1797 (FUBO ... protege of the unholy union of Karl Marx and affirmative action)
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To: DFG

Just tell them you know the defendant. Worked for me.


31 posted on 04/30/2009 10:22:17 AM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran
The jury system puts a ban upon intelligence and honesty, and a premium upon ignorance, stupidity and perjury.

It is a shame that we must continue to use a worthless system because it was good a thousand years ago...

Shameful but true!!

32 posted on 04/30/2009 10:23:40 AM PDT by org.whodat (Auto unions bad: Machinists union good=Hypocrisy)
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To: DFG

IF YOU WANT TO SEE LIBERTY COMPLETELY CRUSHED HERE, BY ALL MEANS AVOID JURY DUTY!

The state/feds will fill the juries out with welfare recipients, government employees, school teachers and, one-by-one send the rest of us to prison under their “Create-a-Crime” program.

LIE — just as if you were a federal agent on the stand — if you must to remain on the jury, but REMAIN ON THE JURY!

Our freedoms are secured by 4 BOXES:
THE SOAP BOX (1ST AMENDMENT);
THE BALLOT BOX (ACORN IS IN THE PROCESS OF STEALING THAT ONE);
THE JURY BOX!!! and, as the very last resort,
THE CARTRIDGE BOX (IF THE SALES OF GUNS AND AMMO ARE ANY INDICATOR, WE MAY BE CLOSER TO THAT SAD SITUATION THAN SINCE 1861)

“Did you really think that we want those laws to be observed?” said Dr. Ferris. “We want them broken. You’d better get it straight that it’s not a bunch of boy scouts you’re up against - then you’ll know that this is not the age for beautiful gestures. We’re after power and we mean it. You fellows were pikers, but we know the real trick, and you’d better get wise to it.

“There’s no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren’t enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What’s there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced nor objectively interpreted -and you create a nation of law-breakers - and then you cash in on guilt. Now that’s the system, Mr. Rearden, that’s the game, and once you understand it, you’ll be much easier to deal with.”
p.411, Ayn Rand, ATLAS SHRUGGED, Signet Books, NY, 1957


33 posted on 04/30/2009 10:24:27 AM PDT by Dick Bachert
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To: null and void

>> Here in Silicon Valley the judges warn that they will not tolerate jury nullification in their courts.

How do you think they would accomplish that? Find the whole jury in contempt or something?


34 posted on 04/30/2009 10:26:11 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Party? I don't have one anymore.)
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To: B-Chan

So far stating I don’t believe in the 5th Amendment has gotten me off Jury Duty. Defense Councils don’t seem to like that.


35 posted on 04/30/2009 10:28:14 AM PDT by neb52
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To: Dick Bachert

>> IF YOU WANT TO SEE LIBERTY COMPLETELY CRUSHED HERE, BY ALL MEANS AVOID JURY DUTY!

I’m with you on that one.

Earlier in life I would wish to get out of jury duty. The last couple times I was called I was in a position where I really could serve with little or no hardship, and I was ready and willing to serve.

Do you think I got selected? Heck no!


36 posted on 04/30/2009 10:28:16 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Party? I don't have one anymore.)
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To: Nervous Tick

They didn’t say.

My survival instincts prevented me from asking either one.


37 posted on 04/30/2009 10:28:33 AM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 101 of our national holiday from reality.)
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To: clamper1797

Think OJ Simpson. With our increasingly polarized society laws which most agree should be enforced will be nullified by juries having a single member friendly to the defendant. The list goes on and on.


38 posted on 04/30/2009 10:29:07 AM PDT by monocle
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To: monocle
Think OJ Simpson.

True ... however there WAS a reason the founders were in favor of it ...

39 posted on 04/30/2009 10:30:29 AM PDT by clamper1797 (FUBO ... protege of the unholy union of Karl Marx and affirmative action)
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To: dfwgator

“Yep, that means juries consist of people who weren’t smart enough to figure out how to get out of doing jury duty.”

Generally it is the people that don’t say anything definitive during the jury selection. The lawyers like middle of the road indecisive people.


40 posted on 04/30/2009 10:31:00 AM PDT by neb52
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To: DFG
I used to think that way until I finally sat on a couple of juries. If it's my sorry butt in the defendant's seat I won't want a jury that consists only of people too dumb to avoid their civic obligations.

I sympathize with the feller here - it is, after all, a major hit on your time. So is getting tossed in jail for contempt of court. He won't have a jury standing between him and that, but if he did, who'd be on it?

41 posted on 04/30/2009 10:32:00 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: ontap
I will bet you are not self-employed either.
(No paid sick days, No paid vacations, No pay while doing your jury "duty") Right?
42 posted on 04/30/2009 10:32:51 AM PDT by Minutemen ("It's a Religion of Peace")
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To: org.whodat

Do the IRS courts have JURIES? I thought they just had tax judges that find you still owe money....


43 posted on 04/30/2009 10:33:00 AM PDT by Nat Turner (Proud two term solider in the 2nd Infantry Div 84-85; 91-92)
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To: DFG

He needed his wife’s help to write that? If so then I don’t think I’d want him on any jury I was depending on.


44 posted on 04/30/2009 10:33:41 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Nervous Tick
Should be:

My survival instincts prevented me from asking questioning either one.

45 posted on 04/30/2009 10:34:34 AM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 101 of our national holiday from reality.)
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To: DFG

I have been called for jury duty several times over the last 30 years. Each time, I am asked to fill out a form with several questions. One of them asks what I do for a living. I tell them (truthfully), “I am a Registered Professional Engineer (PE)”. After that, I have never been instructed to report for duty. I seriously don’t think they want engineers on a jury.


46 posted on 04/30/2009 10:39:56 AM PDT by jim_trent
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To: DFG

Gallatin County has plenty of ‘rats. The lawyers should subsidize juror pay to make it more attractive to serve than to go to work. Jurors are part of the reason lawyers make more money than the average Joe (see John Edwards). The jurors need better pay.


47 posted on 04/30/2009 10:41:38 AM PDT by Paladin2 (Big Ears + Big Spending --> BigEarMarx, the man behind TOTUS)
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To: Non-Sequitur

He needed his wife to gronk his signature as a notary public.


48 posted on 04/30/2009 10:43:25 AM PDT by Paladin2 (Big Ears + Big Spending --> BigEarMarx, the man behind TOTUS)
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To: clamper1797

Do you have definitive proof that our founding fathers were explicitly in favor of jury nullification? Mere assertions are not proof that is why we have the standard of beyond a reasonable doubt in criminal trials. Can you provide a citation of a single founding father embracing jury nullification?


49 posted on 04/30/2009 10:43:39 AM PDT by monocle
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To: DFG

Anyone who wants out of jury duty needs to do just one thing:

Enter court wearing a “David Duke For President” t-shirt.


50 posted on 04/30/2009 10:43:50 AM PDT by OrangeHoof (YES WE CAN have a Depression.)
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