Evangelicals are still our most conservative and anti same sex marriage group which is why is the media is always working against Evangelicals.
Posted on 04/30/2009 10:32:47 AM PDT by steve-b
Rev. Jesse Peterson and Bishop Harry Jackson are two of them who have taken Obama to task and still do.
THAT bears repeating. The churches have done this to themselves.
This has been a theme of many of my posts about the Catholic Church for months. If Kennedy, Pelosi, Kerry, and Biden are accepted publicly in the mainline church, a breakdown in discipline is apt to follow. Disagreement with Church dogma is acceptable because they know there is no price to pay if you are famous and pay your tithe. Now we have women priests being ordained, abortion acceptance, and homosexuality acceptance. If the church can be bought by the highest bidder, then is it truly the Church Christ built?
This isn't just a Catholic problem either. The sinners just seem to have more famous names and power. I'm sure, if given a few minutes, we could come up with 50 Prot names that say and do the same things in public. I keep believing that if the Pope, or a Bishop, or some church official publicly called for Kennedy to repent in public for his abortion votes, that right there would make many cafeteria Catholics start to pay attention. How does Barney Frank get elected in Mass? How about Kennedy or Kerry? There is a LARGE contingent of Catholic voters in Massachusetts. They could make or break any politician in Boston. The problem is in the churches, not the fact that there are non believers attending church. If you had a known murderer in your pews, would you welcome him or tell him he must repent for Christ to accept him? With Teddy, we have an abortionist and the little matter of Mary Jo Kopechne. For Pelosi to travel to Rome and proclaim the matter of abortion isn't settled should have been a point at which SHE was challenged and disciplined. There should be NO DOUBT that her views are OUTSIDE church teaching and should have been trumpeted from the pulpit for many Sundays.
One must conform to the dogma of the church or go find a church that barks at the moon. Don't call yourself with the name of Christ if you hate Him. No one forces these people in the pews. They should be forced out, however, if they can't accept what God calls sin, as sin.
Actually, you do, steve-b. Read the next verse and the rest of the Bible. Here is verse 49 & 50 using the same version (KJV) you used:
Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy. And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good.I never thought I'd see a freeper pull verse 49 out of its context. That's something I've only seen from gays and those pushing the homosexual agenda.
Western Christians are in full “failure mode.”
They “pray” while babies die by the thousands.
Wolves are stealing their own children right out from under them.
Islam is defended by cowards that boldly grind their heel into the Church.
Everyone does what is right in their own eyes, then plays lawyer to prove it “biblical.”
At least demons know to tremble.
By shining the light on those who falsely take the Bible out of context and getting them to see there is no actual contradiction, only the error of their own ways. Many here have already shown you the truth. Perhaps now you will admit your mistake and accept God's word as true.
Do they? Seriously, I’d like to see the data if there is any. As I stated, it is hard to identify such a divergent group of people that refer to themselves as Evangelicals. For instance, the story itself talks about the split between old and younger Evangelicals. What percentage of Evangelicals voted for Obama? I suspect that it was more than in the past. Perhaps someone should come up with a descriptive category more helpful than the term Evangelical?
You are the weird egg that thinks that there is no difference between our most conservative voters and liberals.
The chart in post 60 should tell you something but you don’t even acknowledge it.
You distorted the subject. Study the Word in its full context. 16th Chapter of Ezekiel is describing The abominations that shall take place in the holy city of Jerusalem at the coming of the Antichrist, when he declares himself to be God, and from Jerusalem, Satan, in the form of the Antichrist will sit over his One World Government, and rule the world. The Antichrist will have total power over all people, except for the Elect of God.
Ezekiel 16:44 “Behold, every one that useth proverbs shall use this proverb against thee, Saying, ‘As is the mother, so is her daughter’.”
Ezekiel 16:45 “Thou art thy mother’s daughter, that loathed her husband and her children: and thou art the sister of thy sisters, which loathed their husbands and their children: your mother was an Hittite, and your father an Amorite.”
Ezekiel 16:46 “And thine elder sister is Samaria, she and her daughters that dwell at thy left hand: and thy younger sister, that dwelleth at thy right hand, is Sodom and her daughters.”
Ezekiel 16:47 “Yet hast thou not walked after their ways, nor done after their abominations: but, as if that were a very little thing, thou wast corrupted more than they in all thy ways.”
Samaria, was the capital city of the house of Israel, to the north, and the word “Samaria” means “watch mountain”. That sister of the house of Judah was the house of Israel. You remember Sodom and her sins. They have become stronger today, and they have taken a foothold in our society today. Sodom’s sins were supposed to be the worst sins that could ever be committed, and she had her little sisters around her, called Gomorrah, and they were all destroyed also. This is referring to the big cities and even the smaller cities of that end time that will be judged also. They are not going to get away with their sins.
Ezekiel 16:48 “As I live, saith the Lord God, Sodom thy sister hath not done, she nor her daughters, as thou hast done, thou and thy daughters,”
When God makes a statement, “As I live”, it means that you can count on it. If you think that Sodom and Gomorrah were bad in comparison to the cities of today, they weren’t. The cities of today, in the end times, will become much worse, in the eyes of God.
Ezekiel 16:49 “Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy.”
Ezekiel 16:50 “And they were haughty, and committed abomination before Me: therefore I took them away as I saw good.”
The people of Sodom and Gomorrah thought it was funny, and humorous to mock God. God is saying in this Verse, I took them away [I destroyed them]. God got Lot and his daughters out of there, then He purified the town spiritually. He turned it to salt.
Wouldn’t Bill Clinton fit some definition of “Evangelical” wasn’t he seen coming out of church once with a huge Bible under his arm?
The Demoncats took the election results as a sign that the nation was moving their way. They must now think that most people no longer care about the issue or other moral issues like abortion. They are very mistaken, there will be a huge backlash.
The more power the gays get the more loud, obnoxious and in-your-face they get. Example, in Boston, the gays stood outside of a church that was welcoming Exodus, the ministries helping gays to leave the gay lifestyle. The gay nazis stood right outside the church window with their bullhorns at full blast. The Boston police did not arrest them. This is not the first, second or third time that this sort of thing has happened. Of course, it took place in a Democrat controlled city. The Christian community is learning about this. The clueless politicians forget that churches are NATIONAL organizations. If you attack one Catholic church, you are attacking the WHOLE Catholic Church. If you attack one Lutheran congregation, you are attacking the WHOLE Lutheran Church etc. Churches are places where people congregate. These people have a wide circle of people that they talk to and influence such as family, neighbors, co-workers, members of fraternal groups and their elected officials. There is a righteous anger growing and people will soon know who is coddling and empowering these degenerates.
As far as the difference between the 2004 election and the 2008 election, the forces of darkness believe that they have finally beaten us down and that we are but a relic of the past and that they are the future. They have a feeling of inevitability about their victory, but they are forgeting something — Americans are fighters. We are not the statist Europeans who have had the serf mentality for a thousand years. They don’t know what they’re messing with.
You just don't make any sense is your problem.
The leftist government school systems that Christians favor has certainly done their jobs.
There is little difference between Evangelicals and Liberals if you consider their foundationalism. But it does not really matter, you are not open to even discuss the matter. Instead you just engage in name calling.
Evangelicals are still our most conservative and anti same sex marriage group which is why is the media is always working against Evangelicals.
That was the gist of Senator Olympia Snowe’s guest editorial in the New York Times a couple of days ago. She bemoaned the loss of Arlen Specter to the Dems and said the GOP failed to learn its lesson after Jim Jeffords left the party several years ago. She quoted Reagan as saying the GOP should emphasize the things all Republicans agree on, such as low taxes and less spending.
But the problem is, people who are socially liberal become tax & spend liberals. People who are socially liberal but fiscally conservative could hold their political convention in a phone booth. They're about as important politically as Jews for Jesus. And just as any Jew who is for Jesus eventually becomes a Christian, anyone who is socially liberal eventually becomes fiscally liberal, if they aren't already.
Who were the most socially liberal Republicans in the Senate as of last week (before Specter's switch)? They were Specter, Snowe, and Collins, all three of whom are strongly pro-abortion and pro-homosexuality. And guess what? All three voted for Obama’s stimulus bill. So Senator Snowe lectures us on the need to be more open toward socially liberal Republicans, so that we can all work towards economically conservative goals, but she votes leftist on economic issues.
Incidentally, Jeffords was both a social liberal and a big time tax & spend nanny state liberal. The two go together like hand and glove. Any area where people are so uncaring about their culture that they not only tolerate abortion & homosexuality, but make support for those things a voting priority, will not be filled with rugged individualist type people. It'll be filled with dependent people who want an ever increasing roster of nanny state handouts and socialist goodies.
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