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'Microstamping' keeps track of handguns (NY)
Albany Times Union ^ | April 30, 2009 | RICK KARLIN

Posted on 04/30/2009 1:33:36 PM PDT by neverdem

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1 posted on 04/30/2009 1:33:37 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

How hard would it be to Dremmel the microstamp off the pin?


2 posted on 04/30/2009 1:35:42 PM PDT by Paladin2 (Big Ears + Big Spending --> BigEarMarx, the man behind TOTUS)
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To: Paladin2

Or to obliterate it with a dab of hard silver solder...


3 posted on 04/30/2009 1:38:26 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Beat a better path, and the world will build a mousetrap at your door.)
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To: Paladin2

About 1 or 2 dozen rounds through it has, IIRC, been proven to remove it. Just moron politicians placating idiot voters, nothing to see here, move along...


4 posted on 04/30/2009 1:38:35 PM PDT by Axenolith (Government blows, and that which governs least, blows least...)
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To: Paladin2
How hard would it be to Dremmel the microstamp off the pin?

Or to replace the firing pin. Not hard at all, but I think you know that's not the point of the legislation.

5 posted on 04/30/2009 1:38:52 PM PDT by andy58-in-nh (You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life.)
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To: neverdem
"This is a tough-on-crime, smart-on-crime proposal," said Sen. Eric Schneiderman, D-New York City

Translation: "when my stupid idea doesn't accomplish anything demonstrably productive, I'll get even more meaningless laws passed so that stupid Obama-voters will vote me back into office."

6 posted on 04/30/2009 1:39:00 PM PDT by kromike
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To: neverdem
For this to be effective, first we must ban these.


7 posted on 04/30/2009 1:39:07 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: neverdem

The company pushing this has the sole patent for this technology.

Expect at least $100 cost (and price) additions for each firearm with this technology, for research, development, testing and manufacturing costs.


8 posted on 04/30/2009 1:41:17 PM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: Paladin2

Not very, but there’s no need to do even that when the microstamp isn’t registered to you but to the person you stole it from. Or more likely, isn’t registered at all because it was originally stolen in another state without this requirement.

Being more creative, how hard would it be to pick up microstamped brass at a public range and drop it at the crime scene?


9 posted on 04/30/2009 1:41:22 PM PDT by CGTRWK
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To: neverdem
Liberalism is a mental desease and gun-grabbing is a cult.


10 posted on 04/30/2009 1:41:35 PM PDT by pabianice
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To: neverdem

How about just replace the firing pin? They’re usually pretty common replacement parts for any firearm.


11 posted on 04/30/2009 1:42:14 PM PDT by JamesP81 (When Obama signed an order providing tax dollars to murder children, he stopped being my president)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Or just buy a revolver.


12 posted on 04/30/2009 1:43:16 PM PDT by TC Rider (The United States Constitution - 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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To: neverdem
hmmmm, and just how will they get the spent casings from revolvers?

anyone???

13 posted on 04/30/2009 1:43:20 PM PDT by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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To: SJSAMPLE
Expect at least $100 cost (and price) additions for each firearm with this technology, for research, development, testing and manufacturing costs.

Handgun manufacturers will simply quit selling firearms in NY. A lot of them already have. I just hope that they decide to not sell to LEOs in NY as well.
14 posted on 04/30/2009 1:43:37 PM PDT by JamesP81 (When Obama signed an order providing tax dollars to murder children, he stopped being my president)
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To: Paladin2
I'm sure there will be a strongly worded clause in the finished law that will prevent anyone from tampering with the micro-stamping.
15 posted on 04/30/2009 1:44:44 PM PDT by VRWCtaz (Please add "Palin" to our spell check.)
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To: neverdem

You could always just pick up your brass or use a revolver so the casings won’t eject until you want them to. It’s really a stupid idea if anyone just thinks about it. Then again, we’re talking about legislators.


16 posted on 04/30/2009 1:44:48 PM PDT by edpc (01010111 01010100 01000110 00111111)
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To: neverdem

File meet firing pin.

If I were inclined to preplanned criminal activity and I owned a weapon covered under this proposed law, you can bet I’d have the semiautomatic pistol equivalent of keeping two sets of books: multiple barrels, firing pins and extractors. One set for storage and one set for “business.”


17 posted on 04/30/2009 1:45:10 PM PDT by Captain Rhino (“Si vis pacem, para bellum” - if you want peace, prepare for war.)
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To: neverdem

Schimel and Schneiderman. I’m continually amazed, though no longer surprised, that the demographic that was nearly made extinct by state murder is always the one crying the loudest to make the next round of state murder easier.


18 posted on 04/30/2009 1:45:12 PM PDT by CGTRWK
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To: andy58-in-nh
"Or to replace the firing pin."

Even if they "microstamped" spare parts, firing pins would have to be about the very easiest piece of any weapon for a shade-tree machinist to replicate, if not mass produce. There may be a few weapons with inertial pins or some other manufacturing complications, but I doubt it's that many...

19 posted on 04/30/2009 1:45:14 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Paladin2

Just use a revolver.


20 posted on 04/30/2009 1:45:17 PM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: JamesP81

There’s a video before the NY state senate, where a firearm industry representative replaces every micro-stamped part of a pistol in less than a minute.

Barrel, firing pin, etc.


21 posted on 04/30/2009 1:45:24 PM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: JamesP81

And hopefully they’ll do in the same way that Ronnie Barrett did when the LAPD used one of his 50 caliber rifles as a prop for getting the 50-caliber ban passed in CA :D


22 posted on 04/30/2009 1:45:36 PM PDT by JamesP81 (When Obama signed an order providing tax dollars to murder children, he stopped being my president)
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To: Paladin2
"How hard would it be to Dremmel the microstamp off the pin?"

EXACTLY . . how long do they think it will take before the bad guys figure that one out? Or how to use it in giving them an alibi?
23 posted on 04/30/2009 1:45:48 PM PDT by mentor2k
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To: JamesP81
How about just replace the firing pin? They’re usually pretty common replacement parts for any firearm.

The legislation probably has a provision that make it an offense to possess a gun which does not have an operational micro-stamping ability. This then turns into a way to convict a legal gun owner who defended himself with a gun whose microstamping had worn away.

24 posted on 04/30/2009 1:50:22 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money -- Thatcher)
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To: thefactor

They’ll pass a law requiring that revolvers be left at the scene of the crime.


25 posted on 04/30/2009 1:50:27 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: CGTRWK

You hit the salient point in all of this. For this scheme to work (solve crimes) the govt. has to know who actually owns the gun. That requires registration does it not? Camel’s nose under the tent.


26 posted on 04/30/2009 1:51:09 PM PDT by technically right
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To: neverdem; SJSAMPLE

Wonder how much these guys got greased by the sole technology provider?


27 posted on 04/30/2009 1:51:15 PM PDT by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: neverdem

Hmmm.... What about the gazillion guns out there already?


28 posted on 04/30/2009 1:54:37 PM PDT by Currentriverrat (Stop cap and trade fraud.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck; Paladin2

This is intended to staft you, not criminals.

So the question isn’t how it effects criminals, it’s how does it effect you.

Just one more requirement to make gun ownership a hassle is my guess.


29 posted on 04/30/2009 2:03:27 PM PDT by Doctor Raoul (Ayers Lied, People Died. No Justice, No Peace.)
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To: Paladin2

Just take the firing pin and stroke it on a piece of emery cloth. Works wonders. and the breach face can be cleaned of microstamps the same way.


30 posted on 04/30/2009 2:06:15 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (14. Guns only have two enemies: rust and politicians.)
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To: neverdem

"We're going to hammer guns on the anvil of relentless legislative strategy! We're going to beat guns into submission!" ~Senator Charles Schumer, 1993


31 posted on 04/30/2009 2:08:37 PM PDT by Travis McGee ("Foreign Enemies And Traitors" will be ready the first week of May.)
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To: Puppage
Just use a revolver.

Or police your brass.

32 posted on 04/30/2009 2:10:25 PM PDT by Travis T. OJustice (I can spell just fine, thanks, it's my typing that sucks.)
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To: neverdem
Maybe they should put amendment on the bill making crime illegal!! Criminals won't want to break the law robbing banks or killing people. Then crime will just go away, and the sky will fill with rainbows and unicorns...Just like uncle Obie promised!!
33 posted on 04/30/2009 2:11:11 PM PDT by skully (Hey Benedict Arlen: you forgot to take McCain, Graham, Snowe, and Collins with you!!!)
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To: neverdem

In the not so distance future...

Knock Knock. Mr Yokel, this is the police. You’re under arrest for accessory to 1st degree murder. You allowed your handgun to be stolen.


34 posted on 04/30/2009 2:13:13 PM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (FreepMail me if you want on the Bourbon ping list!)
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To: PapaBear3625

Yep, just another way to hassle legal gun owners and manufacturers. Criminals won’t be affected one bit.

I hope the idiot company that is pushing this micro-stamping idea on state governments loses every cent they have.


35 posted on 04/30/2009 2:18:48 PM PDT by kamikaze2000
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To: DuncanWaring

or after you empty your cylider, you must open it and expend all the used casings.


36 posted on 04/30/2009 2:20:07 PM PDT by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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To: JamesP81

why would you hope that?


37 posted on 04/30/2009 2:22:23 PM PDT by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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To: neverdem

How much you wanna bet that the doofusses that are in favor of this think that this will somehow mark the actual projectile?

Remember, these laws are proposed by idiots who know nothing about guns.


38 posted on 04/30/2009 2:24:21 PM PDT by Nik Naym (Everyone has a right to my opinion.)
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To: thefactor
why would you hope that?

If it's not allowed to the plebes, it shouldn't be allowed to the government. That's why when after CA banned 50-cal rifles and then the LAPD sent a Barret 50 cal back to Murfreesboro, TN for service, Mr Ronnie Barrett canceled the LAPD's contract, sent the rifle back untouched, and told them to go straight down to hell. I wish all gun manufacturers would do that. Certainly, if I owned a company that made firearms, I would not sell them to any government agency that wasn't subject to the same laws as the populace.
39 posted on 04/30/2009 2:28:14 PM PDT by JamesP81 (When Obama signed an order providing tax dollars to murder children, he stopped being my president)
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To: neverdem

Cause we all know the Criminals will follow the law and not modify their guns......

[I don’t think I need to even bother with a /sarc tag here, this is so freakin ridiculous]


40 posted on 04/30/2009 2:31:29 PM PDT by HammerT (Buy them before they BAN them!!!!!!)
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To: Travis T. OJustice
Or police your brass.

I do that anyway. Too expensive not to.
41 posted on 04/30/2009 2:32:40 PM PDT by JamesP81 (When Obama signed an order providing tax dollars to murder children, he stopped being my president)
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To: neverdem

this is absurn some guns are known for having pins that break.

Spare pins are like spare springs.

What next, a seperate license for each tire on your automobile?

Pencil sharpener carbon foot print tax?

It is always interesting that those who want to tax the most fear the second amendment the most.


42 posted on 04/30/2009 2:34:51 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: neverdem

Pathetically Stupid.

Patently Offensive.

And, at the same time, chillingly frightening.

These gasbags won’t stop until they are made, physically, to stop, IMO.

It’s time to take back the country.


43 posted on 04/30/2009 2:35:56 PM PDT by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. 01-20-2013: Change we can look forward to.)
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To: Paladin2; All

We need to micrstamp every bic pen! Words can cause riots after all!


44 posted on 04/30/2009 2:38:00 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (If guns cause crime, then all of mine are defective.)
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To: JamesP81
your logic is flawed because criminals will always be able to get guns and use them for unlawful activities..

you would deny guns to the very people charged with seeking out and stopping these criminals.

to my knowledge, no police officer has ever written or voted to pass a piece of legislation. hamstringing cops is no solution to the idiocy of bureaucrats.

innocent people being unable to defend themselves from criminals is another issue. let's deal with that.

45 posted on 04/30/2009 2:42:13 PM PDT by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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To: thefactor

No, my logic is perfectly sound. If certain firearms are so dangerous that the public shouldn’t be allowed to have them, the government doesn’t need them either for the same reason.


46 posted on 04/30/2009 2:45:56 PM PDT by JamesP81 (When Obama signed an order providing tax dollars to murder children, he stopped being my president)
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To: neverdem

How is this more effective than the serial numbers that are already on the gun? Those numbers can be filed off and can still be recovered from the pressure patterns made in the metal by the stamping.


47 posted on 04/30/2009 2:46:58 PM PDT by arthurus (ACORN + Amnesty = Venezuelan Democracy in the USSSA)
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48 posted on 04/30/2009 2:59:23 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: Joe 6-pack

A sawed-off and filed-down drill bit makes an excellent firing pin for many pistols.


49 posted on 04/30/2009 3:17:19 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: Travis McGee
"We're going to hammer guns on the anvil of relentless legislative strategy! We're going to beat guns into submission!" ~Senator Charles Schumer, 1993

I can't imagine what their strategy sessions are like now. They move to the right on gun control and abortion with their candidates for the Senate and the House for the 2006 and 2008 elections.

Now, they get Snarlin' Arlen to defect because the GOP is too beholden to social conservatives, and they are demonizing veterans and all kinds of conservatives in Dept. of Homeland Security documents.

Their contradictions are simply amazing.

50 posted on 04/30/2009 3:18:34 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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