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Jon Stewart: Truman's a War Criminal for Bombing Hiroshima
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2009/04/30/stewart-trumans-war-criminal-bombing-hiroshima ^

Posted on 04/30/2009 4:37:54 PM PDT by chessplayer

Although historians have debated the issue for decades, Jon Stewart has no question about this controversial matter: former President Harry S. Truman is a war criminal for dropping the atomic bomb on Hiroshima in 1945.


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But FDR isn`t for firebombing Japanese cities?
1 posted on 04/30/2009 4:37:56 PM PDT by chessplayer
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To: chessplayer

Eisenhower probably also ought to be posthumously condemned as a war criminal. After all, he invaded Europe. In fact, we should indict all the soldiers who fought in WWII.


2 posted on 04/30/2009 4:40:38 PM PDT by phoenix07
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To: chessplayer
And John Steart is a moron for suggesting such a thing since Truman chose to sacrifice 200,000 Japanese to save AT least 800,000 more, and AT least 600,000 American lives.

Operation Downfall

3 posted on 04/30/2009 4:41:22 PM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin is a smart missile aimed at the heart of the left!)
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To: chessplayer

Put this ahole in a landing craft then, about to wade ashore onto the Japanese mainland. I’d bet he’d change his mind.


4 posted on 04/30/2009 4:42:55 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: chessplayer

Note to John Stewart, Truman was a Democrat.


5 posted on 04/30/2009 4:43:06 PM PDT by LottieDah (If only those who speak so eloquently on the rights of animals would do so on behalf the unborn)
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To: chessplayer

FDR killed more peace loving germans and japanese than truman did!


6 posted on 04/30/2009 4:45:11 PM PDT by omega4179 (Boycott government communist tractor factories!)
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To: chessplayer
But FDR isn`t for firebombing Japanese cities?

Nope...but he is a war criminal for not utilizing the Bomb before Truman did.
7 posted on 04/30/2009 4:49:08 PM PDT by IMissPresidentReagan (Does CNN have to wear a condom when covering 0bama or do they carry one, "just in case"?)
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To: chessplayer
Although historians have debated the issue for decades

That's a bold-faced lie. (in boldface formatting)

8 posted on 04/30/2009 4:49:15 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: chessplayer

And that Patton dude — when he said “you shouldn’t die for your country, you should make that other b@stard die for his!”

I mean, there you have it — a war criminal.

The jon stewards of the world today would speaking German or Japanese if not for Truman, W. Churchill, Ike, Patton, et. seq.


9 posted on 04/30/2009 4:55:21 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: chessplayer
My father would've died in the invasion of mainland Japan (my late father always believed so).

Another reason for me to despise Jon Lebowitz!

10 posted on 04/30/2009 4:57:23 PM PDT by Stepan12 (Palin & Bolton in 2012)
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To: chessplayer

Just another left-wing robot zombie. What these lefties will never acknowledge is that the bombs saved lives. No, not just the lives of many American GI’s who would have died in a bloody invasion of the Home Islands. No, the bombs saved JAPANESE lives, and probably MILLIONS OF THEM. If robot zombie Stewart could read, he should read Richard Frank’s “Downfall.” Frank makes it pretty clear that the continuation of the war by only a few months was likely to result in mass starvation during the winter of 1945-46 for the ENTIRE Japanese population, and that millions of them would have died. Our bombing, mining and blockade strategies had virtually wiped out all Japanese economic infrastructure. Not only did they not have enough food, they had no means of distributing it to their people. A people who had already existed for the better part of a year on starvation rations.

And no, the Japanese WERE NOT “trying to surrender” at the time the bombs were dropped. Frank published the texts of the Japanese cables to the USSR seeking mediation and it’s very clear that they intended to fight on. Considering that we were reading these cables, Truman knew perfectly well that the Japanese intended to fight on.

The bombs saved Japanese lives. Stewart is ignorant of history, or is just plain ignorant.


11 posted on 04/30/2009 4:59:56 PM PDT by henkster (The GOP is housebroken window-dressing portraying the fiction of a Republic.)
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To: omega4179
“FDR killed more peace loving germans and japanese than truman did!

Don't mean to be argumentative as I believe your heart is in the right place on this subject. However, are you sure you want to characterize WWII era Germans and Japanese, even though perhaps civilians, as peace loving? From what I have read, both populations seem to have bought into the notion of racial superiority and world domination pretty good.

12 posted on 04/30/2009 5:00:14 PM PDT by snoringbear (Government is the Pimp,)
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To: omega4179

According to Bob Dickle on Hannity last night. FDR beat both the Germans and the Japs in WWII


13 posted on 04/30/2009 5:03:51 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (I'd rather the world hate us then laugh at us)
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To: chessplayer

This is supposed to be comedy - however what passes as comedy with the libtards (Bush is a stupid chimp. hahahahahaha), and this show is also talking points from DU, Kossacks, and Huffpo. However, remember the Enola Gay exhibit at the Smithsonian? The museum practically apologized for it, calling it a racist act by the evil America bully.


14 posted on 04/30/2009 5:04:59 PM PDT by Fred Hayek (Leftism is a mental disorder.)
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To: chessplayer

Maybe this is the problem with the all-volunteer military. Sure it is effective, but asshats like Lebowitz will never be involved in defending their country and can snipe like this from the safety of a TV studio.


15 posted on 04/30/2009 5:11:19 PM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: henkster
According to wiki: Nearly 500,000 Purple Heart medals were manufactured in anticipation of the casualties resulting from the invasion of Japan. To the present date, all the American military casualties of the sixty years following the end of World War II — including the Korean and Vietnam Wars — have not exceeded that number. In 2003, there were still 120,000 of these Purple Heart medals in stock.

There are so many in surplus that combat units in Iraq and Afghanistan are able to keep Purple Hearts on-hand for immediate award to wounded soldiers on the field

16 posted on 04/30/2009 5:11:33 PM PDT by Valpal1 (Always be prepared to make that difference.)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

I am sure it was all done but the paperwork when FDR passed on.


17 posted on 04/30/2009 5:11:37 PM PDT by omega4179 (Boycott government communist tractor factories!)
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To: chessplayer

And what Jon Stewart says is significant why?


19 posted on 04/30/2009 5:14:08 PM PDT by tsmith130
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To: chessplayer

With this kind of idiotic logic, ANYONE who participates in ANY war, ESPECIALLY the winners, should be tried as war criminals.

Wait ‘til it comes to YOUR house, jon. (and like minded morons)


20 posted on 04/30/2009 5:15:06 PM PDT by J40000
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To: chessplayer

What can you say about that dope Jon Stewart.If it were Not for President Truman the U.S.Would have had to invade Japan and the cost would have been millions of casualties in U.S.Troops not to mention losses in aircraft and ships.

Secondly if that Bomb was not dropped Stewart and the rest of the U.S.would probably be speaking Japanese.


21 posted on 04/30/2009 5:19:50 PM PDT by puppypusher (The world is going to the dogs.)
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To: tsmith130

What Jon Stewart says is significant because he is watched by millions of people who don’t watch a regular news show. These viewers tend to be liberal, and ignorant of their history. He influences people’s world view and the knowledge these viewers think they have of history.

I agree, that Jon Stewart is a (fill in the blank). But he has a platform, he delivers the only news that many people get, and he influences these liberal leaning kids who watch it.


22 posted on 04/30/2009 5:21:34 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: tsmith130
And what Jon Stewart says is significant why?

He is significant in the same way Rush Limbaugh is significant. He is influential to a large voting block.

23 posted on 04/30/2009 5:21:47 PM PDT by Doe Eyes
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To: chessplayer

Torture? Criminal torture? Being made to watch this mtuant would be torture at its worst!! He’s physically and facially repulsive, and has a very prominent gayness to his mannerisms! F*** him!


24 posted on 04/30/2009 5:22:01 PM PDT by Doc Savage (SOBAMP!)
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To: tsmith130
And what Jon Stewart says is significant why?

He is significant in the same way Rush Limbaugh is significant. He is influential to a large voting block.

25 posted on 04/30/2009 5:22:08 PM PDT by Doe Eyes
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To: Emmett McCarthy

A big “Thank You Very Much” to your Dad!

F*ck you Jon “Stewart”. If it wasn’t for people like Emmett’s Dad, and millions like him, your parents would have ended up as ash.

Maybe that’s not so bad - Jon “Stewart” would never have been born.


26 posted on 04/30/2009 5:23:33 PM PDT by GOPsterinMA (Where can I take 'Austrian' lessons?)
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To: chessplayer; Fred Nerks; Beckwith
More Natinalisy Socialist redefinitions of history. Japan NEVER would have become a free natiln, and Mscarthur would have had to deal with guerilla warfare in Japan that would never have gone away.

Japan is a great nation of a free and productive people precisely because becuase Japan and its fascist government was utterly and completely defeated by the dropping of the bombs. It saved untold misery for years to come, and gave the message needed to Russia: " Do not come here!"

So know we get the wet noodle version of Nationalist Socialist history, where the sons and daughters of those who supported a newly retroactively defined evil are made to pay the wages of their ancestors.

Now that IS the Obama ideology. And historic justice IS the calling card of ALL fascist movements.

Anyone doubt now that the Obama Movement is fascist?

Look at what he has done in 100 days, classic fascist markers out of history. Including the overiding of security today for the criminal admission of GITMO terrorists into the USA.

Anyone have doubts about Obama being Fascist now?

Fred and I have been calling Obama fascist since November of 2007. We knew what he was doing in Kenya with the Islamofascist Orange party for whom Obama campaigned as a Senator.No one listened.But define Obama NOW.

I keep harping on this, because we cannot defeat an enemy that is not defined. Define Obama as a fascist, and lets fight him and obliviate his movement!

27 posted on 04/30/2009 5:24:00 PM PDT by Candor7 (The weapons of choice against fascism are ridicule,derision ,truth. (member NRA)
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To: LottieDah

rules for radical idiots:never let a good ratings sweep go to waste


28 posted on 04/30/2009 5:24:01 PM PDT by databoss (Keep The Change....)
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To: chessplayer
It constantly amazes me that someone hasn't just grabbed this pipsqueak by the ears and corkscrewed him into the turf.

Next to Bill Maher.


29 posted on 04/30/2009 5:24:35 PM PDT by Viking2002 (This tagline for rent.)
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To: chessplayer
Oh good grief. Cue the Pelosi mentality. (I was briefed by FDR on the Manhattan Project but never thought it would be used.) Jon you are a buffoon pandering to your moronic audience.
30 posted on 04/30/2009 5:26:01 PM PDT by eyedigress
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To: omega4179

Roosevelt died April 12, 1945.

The first atomic bomb was exploded at Trinity, NM on July 16, 1945.

Harry Truman, the VP, wasn’t told of the Manhattan Project until after FDR’s death.

Trinity (first a-bomb exploded) - July 16, 1945.

Hiroshima - August 6, 1945.

For a fellow who didn’t even know of the atomic bomb before he became president, Truman didn’t let any grass grow under his feet before he used it.

And the mood in the country at that time was such that most Americans heartily approved.


31 posted on 04/30/2009 5:26:37 PM PDT by Ole Okie
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To: chessplayer

More Japanese were killed in the firebombings but that’s beside the point ...Japan killed millions in Nanking then went on to Rangoon and Burma slaughtering civilians where ever they went ... we wanted to end all that. They capitulated right after Nagasaki ....


32 posted on 04/30/2009 5:29:31 PM PDT by SkyDancer ('Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not..' ~ Thomas Jefferson)
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To: chessplayer
When we arrived in Tokyo in early 1946, the city was nothing but debris for miles in any direction. The whole city burned to the ground after one week of US fire bombing raids and more than 250,000 Japanese died. We were stunned to see the damage and wondered where the citizens were living. Many of them lived in the subways as there were no houses to be seen anywhere.

It was Truman in charge then too. He did another great thing when he ordered the atom bombing. It halted the need for a huge invasion of the home islands and the projected loss of as many as 1 million US military. Stewart knows nothing about the real history of the period and is a confirmed, liberal idiot.

33 posted on 04/30/2009 5:32:50 PM PDT by Paulus Invictus
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On a side note.. I don’t think Truman knew about “the bomb” until FDR’s death.


34 posted on 04/30/2009 5:33:16 PM PDT by eyedigress
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To: chessplayer
But FDR isn`t for firebombing Japanese cities?

Don't you know? People killed by an atomic bomb are deader than people killed by a conventional bomb.

All kidding aside, my person theory is that if the bomb had been dropped on Germany, or if FDR had lived to drop the bomb on Japan, you wouldn't hear a liberal peep on the subject.

35 posted on 04/30/2009 5:35:41 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ve'et-zakhar lo' tishkav mishkevei 'ishah; to`evah hi'.)
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To: chessplayer

That attitude comes from not having to be responsible or own and maintain and believe in deeply held ideas.

It comes from an arrogance supported by group mantras of lib speak. An arrogance that unquestionably believes they are the smartest, most hip and aware as a group; that only they have real fulfilling sex lives; and the big one: that only they are capable of such dark and noble deceptions and could devise the plans of attack and triumph for their ne’er self-probed causes.

The left shows their deep bigotry in the way they cannot accept or believe persons of another country could be clever enough to espouse nor act upon the evil in their hearts - oh, it’s gotta be our fault; it’s gotta be the US’s fault.

And then in a twist of cowardice from deep in their psyche, they then separate themselves from the we that is us and nobly blame that which is them but the them they rose above to look benevolently down on the “misunderstood” of the world. Those they look down upon like pets and protecting them soothes their need for worth and provides their lofty place in their sense of hierarchy.

Kind of like they’re actors with only a handful a memorized plays from high school.


36 posted on 04/30/2009 5:37:39 PM PDT by Voter62vb
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To: Dilbert San Diego

Agree. A lot of kids listen to Jon Stewart. Sadly, they tend to treat a lot of the gibberish that comes out of his mouth as wisdom. To their way of thinking, if it makes them laugh, it must be smart.

I actually think Stewart wants to be President one day.


37 posted on 04/30/2009 5:37:53 PM PDT by rbg81 (DRAIN THE SWAMP!!)
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To: chessplayer
FU Jon Stewart and FUBO....I am sitting here with an ashtray made from Nip shells from Munda and New Georgia and a flag in an oak case. My Uncle died there and my cousin died in the May low level B-29 raids over Tokyo. If we had invaded every family in the US would have had a flag in a case in their house.
38 posted on 04/30/2009 5:38:00 PM PDT by vetvetdoug
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To: chessplayer

In an earlier time we could have traded the John Stewarts for the brave POW’s in the Bataan Death March.


39 posted on 04/30/2009 5:38:03 PM PDT by windsorknot
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To: chessplayer
Jon Stewart has no question about this controversial matter: former President Harry S. Truman is a war criminal for dropping the atomic bomb on Hiroshima in 1945.

Fine, Jon, then you can dig Harry up, and put him on trial. With what we now know about how the Japanese treated EVERYONE who wasn't Japanese, I'm thinking Harry would be acquited.

40 posted on 04/30/2009 5:38:57 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: chessplayer

Jon Stewart, who cares! He probably thinks all conservatives should be jailed. Mr. Stewart keep yapping, you make people who disagree with you look like geniuses.


41 posted on 04/30/2009 5:39:52 PM PDT by Jaime2099 (Human Evolution and the God of the Bible are not compatible)
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To: Dilbert San Diego
But he has a platform, he delivers the only news that many people get, and he influences these liberal leaning kids who watch it.

While I agree with what you say, there's not a damn thing we can do about it. Unless or until his audience finds other sources of accurate information, there's not much we can do to counter this. They have to want to seek out correct information. And as was evidence by what happened Nov. 4th, I'm doubtful they'll even try.

42 posted on 04/30/2009 5:40:24 PM PDT by tsmith130
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To: Stepan12

Jon Lebowitz! = Jon no wits!


43 posted on 04/30/2009 5:40:44 PM PDT by afnamvet
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To: chessplayer

How does Jon Stewart feel about us killing all those sweet Germans? Was firebombing Dresden better than nuking Hiroshima? And besides - if we hadn’t won that war - old Jon would be speaking German now - if he was still alive.


44 posted on 04/30/2009 5:42:14 PM PDT by GOPJ (We sleep safe..because rough men stand ready..to visit violence on those who would do us harm-Orwell)
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To: henkster

I wrote this in response to a paleconservative’s article reflecting on the death of General Paul Tibbets.

A Counter Reflection on General Tibbet’s Death and the A Bomb

I read Chris Check’s reflections on the death of BG Paul Tibbets with great interest. Most historians believe that Tibbet’s role in the atom bombing of Hiroshima was the precipitate cause of the conclusion of the greatest man made disaster in all of human history since the fall, the Second World War. Mr. Check expresses reservations as to the necessity of this action, indeed whether or not the theory, practice and technology of modern warfare allows any war to be prosecuted in accordance with just war theory. Mr. Check does not seem to fall into the camp of those historical revisionists who make suspect claims of an imminent Japanese surrender which negated the rationale for using the A-Bomb. Instead he offers a pointed criticism of the fact that the Bomb was even employed and a concomitant reappraisal of Gen. Tibbet’s role on that historic mission.

The vital works of the great philosophers Cicero, Aristotle, Augustine of Hippo, St. Thomas Aqinas, or Hugo Grotious attempted to codify the requirements for just war. These men spoke to the notion that any war, or acts performed pursuant to it, must conform to certain principles which would allow the waging of war within a synthesis of classical Greco-Roman, as well as Christian, values. Just war theory can be meaningfully divided into three parts, which in the literature are referred to, for the sake of convenience, in Latin. These parts are: 1) jus ad bellum, which concerns the justice of resorting to war in the first place; 2) jus in bello, which concerns the justice of conduct within war, after it has begun; and 3) jus post bellum, which concerns the justice of peace agreements and the termination phase of war. I wish to examine Mr. Check’s premise concerning Gen Tibbets and the Hiroshima A Bomb. in light of all three of these just war considerations.
1. Jus ad bellum: The US was negotiating in good faith with Japanese diplomatic envoys for a peaceful resolution to the crisis occasioned by the Japanese occupation of French Indohina and FDR’s subsequent oil embargo right up to the moment Japanese naval aircraft bombed Pearl Harbor. This despite US expectations of an imminent attack by Japan on the US sphere of influence, most notably the Phillipines. The deaths and wounding of almost 3600 Americans, and the destruction of 6 battleships, 3 destroyers, 3 cruisers, hundreds of aircraft and port facilities amply satisfied the justification for a recognition of the state of war existing between the US and Japan. President Roosevelt’s ringing speech to Congress requesting a declaration of war promised that the US would “win through to inevitable triumph, so help us God.” Germany’s declaration of war on the US followed three days later. There is little doubt that the Jus ad bellum consideration was met.
2. Jus in bello: This aspect of the just war principle is the most problematic for those such as myself who defend the use of the A Bomb. It is an inherently monstrous act to use a weapon of the indiscriminate nature of the Hiroshima A Bomb on a target peopled largely by civillians, thereby violating the subsidiary rules of discrimination, porportionality, and minimum force. But we are not about to revert to conducting war with serried ranks of Phalanxes drawn up against each other with no civillians in sight. No side will yield the percieved advantage of technology. “End justifies the means” arguments are also singularly unpersuasive to me. Notwithstanding that we can acknowledge, for instance that a discussion of the abortion evil should allow for the admitttedly rare “physical life of the mother” exception. Commensurately an argument can be made for the unique qualities of the Second World War as an exception to the discrimination and minimum force rule if not the porportionality argument. Any study of this issue must include context. That context was total war against an unrelenting foe whose national character and policies contributed to a racially tinged (on both sides) struggle of the utmost savagery. The slaughter and barbarity of the Pacific war was enhanced by the Japanese refusal to contemplate the shameful reality of surrender no matter how hopeless the situation, and their near total disregard for the accepted conventions of legal conduct in war. I think that I can show that a greater evil would have been done by allowing the continuation of that war rather than to shock the Japanese people into an abrupt surrender by the use of nuclear weapons.
The invasion of Japan was in the offing. At the Potsdam Conference of 24 July 1945, the Allied position was that the ‘Japanese forces would be disarmed’ Japanese sovereignty would be limited to the four main islands of Japan ‘and such minor islands as we shall determine’ and ‘respect for fundamental human rights’ would be established. The message ended with this: ‘We call upon the Government of Japan to proclaim now the unconditional surrender of all the Japanese armed forces, and to provide proper and adequate assurances of their good faith in such action. The aternative for Japan is complete and utter destruction.’
The implementation of these publically stated objectives required the complete defeat of Japan and it’s occupation. The militarists controlling Japan were determined to resist even unto the destruction of Japan. Prime Minister Suzuki Kantaro was willing to negotiate peace thru Switzerland or the Soviet Union, but War Minister Anami Korechika and the Chiefs of Staff Gen. Umeza Yoshijiro and Adm Toyoda Soemu insisted on ‘ prosecuting the war to the bitter end in order to uphold our national essence, protect the imperial land and (incredibly) achieve our goals of conquest’. The Japanese correctly deduced the objectives of Operation Downfall, the proposed US invasion scheme which was divided into two phases, Olympic, the invasion of Kyushu and Coronet, the invasion of the main island of Honshu. Accordingly the Japanese prepared Operation Decision (Ketsu-Go) which envisaged the deployment of over 2 million troops along the coast to repel Allied landings, to be reinforced by four million armed forces civillian employees and a civillian militia of old people, school children of both sexes numbering 28 million. An invasion of Japan would have been D-day magnified a thousand times, it would have been Stalingrad from the sea. For instance, The 2nd Marine Division was slated to be in the initial assault. It no longer appears in the plans for Operation Olympic after D-Day + 4. The assumption is that it would have ceased to exist or be combat ineffective. Other units are similarly omitted.
An actual model exists for such speculation, the Battle for Okinowa. Pre invasion Okinowa was populated by 574,368 Okinowans.. Take a trip to Okinawa and visit Peace Prayer Park. It’s easy to find. It is right next to the Suicide Cliffs just down the road a ways from the Japanese Naval Underground Headquarters. There you will see the names of 200,656 men women and children inscribed on black marble slabs who died on that island in the last battle of World War II. Those slabs reveal the following death toll: Japanese 188,136
From other prefectures (soldiers and civilian employees) 65,908
From Okinawa (soldiers and civilian employees) 28,228
From Okinawa (civilians fighting in battles) 56,861
From Okinawa (non-fighting civilians) 37,139
Americans 12,520
Following the battle there was not one thing on the island growing or man-made that was over 24 inches high. The entire population of the island was 574,368 and there were 4.72 artillery shells fired per person during the battle. The land war on Okinawa was soul destroying brutal as American soldiers and Marines doggedly attempted to break the ferocious Japanese resistance. Names like Sugar Loaf and Kakazu Ridge still invoke nightmarish memories from Okinawa veterans. The US Navy suffered the worst pounding in its history, with over 5000 sailors killed and 35 ships sunk by Kamikaze attack.
People extrapolate from 48,000 American and 230,000 Japanese casualties at Okinawa to 500,000 American and millions of Japanese casualties for mainland invasions. Those estimates could have vastly understated the actual causalities. Japan’s 374,000 mountainous square miles mathematically enables over 500 defensive redoubts comparable to General Ushijima’s formidable Okinawa constructions such as those on the Shuri line that inflicted most Okinawa losses. The War Faction adopted the motto of “100 million Japanese deaths” for planning final mainland battles. Besides kamikazes, redeployed Kwantung divisions, and bamboo spears for civilians, the allies faced biological warfare. Occupation searchers uncovered large stockpiles of viruses, spirochetes, and fungus spores throughout rural Japan. One delivery plan directed Japanese to infect themselves and then surrender. The “Greatest Generation” and their parents would have been enraged to discover a political cabal who satisfied their moral orthodoxy by condemning over 500,000 Americans who might otherwise have been saved.
Hiroshima was a target with military value. It was headquarters for the 2nd Japanese Army, charged with the defense of the southern island of Kyushu, the objective of Operation Olympic, whom the United States would have been fighting had the invasion commenced. It also had numerous factories producing military goods. The city was a communications center, a storage point, and an assembly area for troops. Both Command & Control and military production facilities are legitimate military targets.
Other consequences of other than a rapid end to the war were the slow starvation of the Japanese people. Their island nation’s food supplying merchant fleet was at the bottom of the Pacific, with 5 million tons of it put there by the extraordinarily successful American submarine campaign. In the summer of 1945 Field Marshal Terauchi had openly ordered prison camp commanders to slaughter the Allied prisoners in their control (who were dying at a 33% death rate) at the onset of the invasion. The brutal Japanese occupations of the conquered Asian nations were killing tens of thousands of civilians a month in China, Malaysia, Burma, Singapore, the Solomons, Thailand, and anywhere that the Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere sent its soldiers, inflamed by the Japanese militarist’s corrupted code of Bushido to rape, pillage and kill without mercy. Millions of Asian civilians were killed and others in China served as guinea pigs for Unit 731’s depraved medical experimentations into human vivisection, disease infestation and other atrocities more horrifying than the vilest of Josef Mengele’s worst inspirations. Japanese scientists performed tests on prisoners centering on the plague, cholera, smallpox, botulism and other diseases. This research led to the development of the defoliation bacilli bomb and the flea bomb used to spread the bubonic plague. Some of these bombs were designed with ceramic (porcelain) shells, an idea proposed by Shiro Ishii in 1938.
These bombs enabled Japanese soldiers to launch biological attacks, infecting agriculture, reservoirs, wells and other areas with anthrax, plague-carrying fleas, typhoid, dysentery, cholera and other deadly pathogens.
Additionally, infected food supplies and clothing were dropped by planes into areas of China not occupied by Japanese forces. These activities continued until war’s end.

The Japanese had concocted a plan to launch M6A1 Seiran floatplane bombers from their huge I-400 class subs to drop bombs loaded with biological agents such as plaque and Anthrax on the West Coast of the US. The ships had sailed with a target date of 15 August 1945. Only the end of the war on 14 August occasioned their recall before they reached landfall.
In the afternoon of August 14, Japanese radio announced that an Imperial Proclamation was soon to be made, accepting the terms of unconditional surrender drawn up at the Potsdam Conference. That proclamation had already been recorded by the emperor. The news did not go over well, as more than 1,000 Japanese soldiers stormed the Imperial Palace in an attempt to find the proclamation and prevent its being transmitted to the Allies. Soldiers still loyal to Emperor Hirohito repulsed the attackers.
That evening, General Anami, the member of the War Council most adamant against surrender, committed suicide. His reason: to atone for the Japanese army’s defeat, and to be spared having to hear his emperor speak the words of surrender.

Foreign minister Shidehara wrote, “If we continue to fight back bravely, even if hundreds of thousands of noncombatants are killed... there would be room to produce a more favorable international situation for Japan.”

“Due to the nationwide food shortage... - it will be necessary to kill all of the infirm old people, the very young, and the sick.

Admiral Onishi: “If we are prepared to sacrifice 20 million Japanese lives in kamikaze effort, victory will be ours.”

“With luck, we will repulse the invaders before they land.” - General Yoshijiro Umezu

“Who can be 100% sure of defeat?” - War minister General Anami

All said in the August 9th meeting of the 6 man ‘Supreme Council for the Direction of the War’ held in Tokyo. I would ask that you carefully consider the date as you ponder the Japanese willingness to surrender.
Another item for your consideration: The bomb also stopped Soviet expansion in Asia. The U.S.S.R. declared war on Japan on August 8 and if the war had continued the U.S.S.R. would have invaded and occupied large parts of northern China and northern Japan. The U.S.S.R would have had a presence in the Far East as in Eastern Europe.
As it was, the Soviets occupied North Korea and set up a Stalinist regime that troubles the world to this day. Imagine the Soviets with a Stalinist puppet government in Northern Japan. You don’t have to wonder, you have the examples of East Germany, or North Korea, as opposed to West Germany and South Korea.
This certainly cannot be attributed to the foresight of the Allies, as the Soviets entered the war against Japan in response to the Allies importuning Stalin at Yalta. It was about the only commitment he kept, since he saw an opportunity for territorial aggrandizement. But it is an admittedly unforeseen and fortunate subsidiary result of the rapid end of the war.
The world was spared the future horror of nuclear combat thru the instructive example of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Had the wartime use of nuclear weapons remained theoretical, rather than concretely manifest in the vaporized victims of World War II, it is far more likely that they would have been used in super power showdowns at the Berlin Wall or the Cuban Missile Crisis. The example of the relative firecrackers of the WWII A-bombs may have stayed the fingers on the thermonuclear button. The planners of the Manhattan Project did not consider this , but it is something worthy of our consideration.

The exceptionally brutal nature of the war against Japan requires that the jus en bello aspect of just war theory be considered in light of the extraordinary evils that were stopped or prevented by a sudden end to the war, bought about by the A Bomb. The Japanese could view it as a force of nature against which they were helpless to resist, and therefore serve as a legitimate rationale for surrender for a people that viewed that as an absolute disgrace. At the very least, the proportionality rule seems to be honored by using a horrendous method for the purpose of forcing an end to the war and stopping even greater continued slaughter and atrocity.
3, Jus post bello: Despite the unremitting nature of the total war against Japan and the unparallelled level of atrocities committed by Japan, it was not transformed into a post Punic Wars Carthage. The US extended it’s protections to her against the Soviet Union, demilitarized her, helped it to create a classically liberal representative democracy, with the emperor Hirohito demoted from demigod status. The US was instrumental in elevating Japan into a rehabilitated and respected player on the world stage, a leader in technological innovation and manufacture and a reliable ally against Soviet expansion in the Pacific. Even though considerable US self interest was involved, the US occupation of Japan was conducted with a magnanimity uncharacteristic of the likely aftermath of one of the most savage conflicts in human history. Even though the Japanese surrendered unconditionally, utterly defeated; they are a better world partner for the effect of the generous American peace terms and post war assistance. The Jus post bello criteria was more that adequately satisfied by the exemplary American post war treatment of Japan.
Finally, a word about Gen Tibbets. Before his service in the Pacific, Gen. Tibbets served with the 97th Bomb Group of the 8th Air Force. The 97th BG served as the model for the famous movie Twelve O’ Clock High. Tibbets, as a Major left in charge of the Group, was even depicted in the movie. Armstrong, the new CO of the 97th, appointed Tibbets his XO. He flew a B-17 bomber on 25 combat missions in the most deadly environment that American airmen have ever flown in, the flak and fighter filled skies of the European Theatre of Operations. He later took command of the 509th Composite Bomb Group, the B-29 outfit charged to deliver the atomic bombs. He bought the unit to a peak of efficiency and operational security, vital to maintaining the secrecy of the most important military technological development of the war. He stayed in the Air Force, and participated in the development of the B-47, our first all-jet bomber. In the early 1950’s, he flew B-47’s for three years. He advised on the making of the movie “Above and Beyond,” and was pleased that the famous actor, Robert Taylor, played him. From the 1950’s through the 1960’s he had a number of overseas assignments, including France and India. After his retirement from the Air Force, he became president of Executive Jet Aviation in Columbus, Ohio. For this he has earned the eternal respect and gratitude of his nation. He has not chosen to engage in post modern self flagellation and wear the hair shirt of eternal regret for doing his duty as it was presented to him. He has chosen to accept as his legacy the war ended and the lives saved by his actions rather than fixating on the awful human cost of the bombing. He had earned that right a hundred times over. He has said that he does not want a marker on his grave lest it serve as a focal point for demonstrators. That is the only thing that I disagree with him about. He deserves the honor of a proper memorial so that it may be rendered honors on appropriate occasions. Godspeed to you sir. You served your country and the world well.


45 posted on 04/30/2009 5:43:34 PM PDT by DMZFrank
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To: chessplayer

SirKit’s Dad had no problems with Truman dropping the bomb. After his stateside stint as an Artillery Instructor, he was scheduled to be in one of the first waves of soldiers to attack the Japanese homeland. He knew the stakes, and was thankful for Truman’s decision until the day he died.


46 posted on 04/30/2009 5:44:12 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: chessplayer

What is so f*n funny about that, Jon?

You’re on a thing called Comedy Channel. (not for much longer, hopefully) . what a pathetic twirp.


47 posted on 04/30/2009 5:50:19 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed.)
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To: Emmett McCarthy
Be sure and thank your father for his service.

Another little factoid that the liberals like to ignore is that Japan refused to surrender even after Truman dropped the atomic bomb. Japan only surrendered after Truman dropped the second atomic bomb and convinced them that he would keep dropping atomic bombs until they surrendered.

Japan would not have surrendered even after the second atomic bomb if they had known that we had used all of the atomic bombs that we had and that it would take time to manufacture some more.

If Truman had tried to simply blockade Japan as the liberals say he should have, then Japan today would look a lot like North Korea (if any Japanese survived starvation).

48 posted on 04/30/2009 5:54:00 PM PDT by Bubba_Leroy (The Obamanation Crisis - America Held Hostage)
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To: puppypusher
Secondly if that Bomb was not dropped Stewart and the rest of the U.S.would probably be speaking Japanese.

I doubt that, but there are lots of Americans alive now that wouldn't have been since there fathers would have died in the ultimately successful invasion of Japan.

49 posted on 04/30/2009 5:54:37 PM PDT by xone
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To: chessplayer

He should tell that to my grandfather who was on a DE in the Pacific and would have had to participate in an invasion of Japan.
It might be the reason Im here. So Truman is a hero in my bok...


50 posted on 04/30/2009 5:56:53 PM PDT by DeusExMachina05 (I will not go into Dhimmitude quietly.)
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