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First dino 'blood' extracted from ancient bone (more evidence for young earth creation!)
New Scientist ^ | April 30, 2009 | Jeff Hecht

Posted on 05/01/2009 8:25:18 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts

A dinosaur bone buried for 80 million years has yielded a mix of proteins and microstructures resembling cells. The finding is important because it should resolve doubts about a previous report that also claimed to have extracted dino tissue from fossils...

(Excerpt) Read more at newscientist.com ...


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For more, see:

Dinosaur Blood Protein, Cells Recovered

http://creationsafaris.com/crev200904.htm#20090430b

Dinosaur Soft Tissues and Blood (cool micrograph pictures!)

http://www.detectingdesign.com/fossilrecord.html#Dinosaur%20Soft%20Tissues%20and%20Blood

Are Secular Geologists Ready to Consider a Global Flood?

http://creationsafaris.com/crev200904.htm#20090430a

1 posted on 05/01/2009 8:25:18 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: metmom; DaveLoneRanger; editor-surveyor; betty boop; Alamo-Girl; MrB; GourmetDan; Fichori; ...

Ping!

For more, see:

Dinosaur Blood Protein, Cells Recovered

http://creationsafaris.com/crev200904.htm#20090430b

Dinosaur Soft Tissues and Blood (cool micrograph pictures!)

http://www.detectingdesign.com/fossilrecord.html#Dinosaur%20Soft%20Tissues%20and%20Blood

Are Secular Geologists Ready to Consider a Global Flood?

http://creationsafaris.com/crev200904.htm#20090430a


2 posted on 05/01/2009 8:26:30 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts; All

This article proves you wrong.. You keep saying the Earth is 6000 years old.


3 posted on 05/01/2009 8:26:49 AM PDT by KevinDavis (Now a member of the NRA)
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To: GodGunsGuts

For y’all’s Friday ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Yz40BexXVY


4 posted on 05/01/2009 8:27:13 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, John 11:25, 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13, John 6:69)
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To: GodGunsGuts

I don’t see any ‘young’ evidence in this article.


5 posted on 05/01/2009 8:31:24 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: KevinDavis

I’m not talking about their belief in darwood’s materialist creation myth, I’m talking about the data. The DATA is much more supportive of Young Earth Creation.


6 posted on 05/01/2009 8:33:03 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts
....more evidence for young earth creation!

OK - it's Friday & I'm ready to be entertained.

How is this evidence?

7 posted on 05/01/2009 8:33:51 AM PDT by gdani (I've got a new road under my wheels)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Yes. “More” evidence...........................................lol!


8 posted on 05/01/2009 8:33:56 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (ALSO SPRACH ZEROTHUSTRA)
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To: mnehring

No matter how they try to spin it, finding blood and soft tissue in two dinos (and counting) is far more supportive of YEC than old earth, uniformitarian evolution.


9 posted on 05/01/2009 8:35:04 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts; All

I’m saying the article proved you wrong....


10 posted on 05/01/2009 8:35:22 AM PDT by KevinDavis (Now a member of the NRA)
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To: GodGunsGuts

OK, I’m game.. how...


11 posted on 05/01/2009 8:35:47 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: mnehring
There IS NO EVIDENCE for a young earth!!!
12 posted on 05/01/2009 8:35:52 AM PDT by mentor2k
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To: GodGunsGuts
....finding blood and soft tissue in two dinos (and counting) is far more supportive of YEC than old earth, uniformitarian evolution.

How so?

13 posted on 05/01/2009 8:36:19 AM PDT by gdani (I've got a new road under my wheels)
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To: GodGunsGuts
Crackpot Alert!


14 posted on 05/01/2009 8:37:34 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin is a smart missile aimed at the heart of the left!)
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To: gdani

They have found blood and soft tissue in two dinos now. One supposedly dating back 65 mya, the other dating back 80 mya. This is what one would expect of biblical creation is true, whereas this is the last thing one would expect if deep-time evolution is true.


15 posted on 05/01/2009 8:37:59 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: gdani

More interesting would be the explanation of how such proteins and cell structures endured intact over the past 80 million years.


16 posted on 05/01/2009 8:38:32 AM PDT by skeeter (First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you. Then you win - Mahatma Ghandi)
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To: gdani

Because finding blood and soft tissue is exactly what you would expect if YEC is true, whereas it is the last thing you would expect if dino went extinct tens of millions of years ago.


17 posted on 05/01/2009 8:39:26 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: mnehring

See multiple replies above.


18 posted on 05/01/2009 8:40:12 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

19 posted on 05/01/2009 8:42:29 AM PDT by Porterville ( I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass... and I'm all out of bubblegum)
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To: skeeter
More interesting would be the explanation of how such proteins and cell structures endured intact over the past 80 million years.

The article doesn't say those structures where intact, it doesn't give any indication of the level of decomposition of those structures. It is easy to figure out though how they may have survived. What causes decomposition? Exposure to air, microbes, light, etc. Absent those things, decomposition may stop or slow down. It is not an unknown scenario.

20 posted on 05/01/2009 8:42:34 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: GodGunsGuts

Viable DNA? Jurassic Park here we come!


21 posted on 05/01/2009 8:42:45 AM PDT by Jack Hammer (here)
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To: mentor2k

Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts

2 Peter 3:3 (KJV)


22 posted on 05/01/2009 8:43:03 AM PDT by US Navy Vet
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To: GodGunsGuts
Those replies don't say how, it just states your opinion that it supports YEC.
23 posted on 05/01/2009 8:43:25 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: GodGunsGuts

Thanks for the ping!


24 posted on 05/01/2009 8:45:07 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Jack Hammer

“Life finds a way.”


25 posted on 05/01/2009 8:45:33 AM PDT by dfwgator (1996 2006 2008 - Good Things Come in Threes)
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To: GodGunsGuts

“A dinosaur bone buried for 80 million years...
encased in sandstone for 80 million years...
reveal more about dinosaur evolution...”

Do you have a point, or are you mearly trying to illustrate you profound ignorance?


26 posted on 05/01/2009 8:46:56 AM PDT by stormer
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To: gdani

How soft and bloody are these finds? Like the steak in my fridge? Or are they petrified, crystalline?


27 posted on 05/01/2009 8:46:58 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: gdani

How soft and bloody are these finds? Like the steak in my fridge? Or are they petrified, crystalline?


28 posted on 05/01/2009 8:46:58 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: SunkenCiv

Thought you might be interested. Also see reply #2


29 posted on 05/01/2009 8:47:39 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: skeeter
More interesting would be the explanation of how such proteins and cell structures endured intact over the past 80 million years.

They didn't. If they had, they'd be petrified. Bone isn't the most porous stuff in the world, but it IS porous. There's absolutely no way in hell anything with soft tissue in it is millions of years old.

30 posted on 05/01/2009 8:48:17 AM PDT by varmintman
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To: stormer

Wow... that’s “merely’ and “your”.


31 posted on 05/01/2009 8:48:24 AM PDT by stormer
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To: GodGunsGuts
Go ahead, I guess. Believe that planet Earth has only been in existance 6,000 yrs or so.

Looks to me that the very article you cite states the rocks that dino was taken from were 80 mil yrs old. And it wasn't "soft" tissue, it was basically some extracted proteins.
32 posted on 05/01/2009 8:49:33 AM PDT by mentor2k
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To: stormer
Do you have a point, or are you mearly trying to illustrate you profound ignorance?

The point is obvious; anybody who can't grasp it is in denial which is worse than profound ignorance.

33 posted on 05/01/2009 8:50:00 AM PDT by varmintman
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To: varmintman
"There's absolutely no way in hell anything with soft tissue in it is millions of years old."

When you get your paper published demonstrating that, let us know.

34 posted on 05/01/2009 8:50:07 AM PDT by stormer
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To: GodGunsGuts

Enough is enough. Please stop posting interesting scientific articles with your insane rantings that aren’t even supported by the text.


35 posted on 05/01/2009 8:51:47 AM PDT by BubbaBasher ("Liberty will not long survive the total extinction of morals" - Sam Adams)
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To: mentor2k
Go ahead, I guess. Believe that planet Earth has only been in existance 6,000 yrs or so.

Our present living world is around 6K years of age. The planet viewed as a collection of rocks is older than that, but not tens of millions or billions of years old. Robert Bass once redid Lord Kelvin's heat equations for the planet and included a maximal figure for radioactive elements, and got an upper bound for age of around 200M years.

36 posted on 05/01/2009 8:52:22 AM PDT by varmintman
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To: varmintman

37 posted on 05/01/2009 8:52:41 AM PDT by stormer
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To: Porterville

2 Corinthians 4:4...the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelieving so that they might not see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.


Romans 1:20...For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse.

21For even though they knew God, they did not [c]honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

22Professing to be wise, they became fools,

23and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and crawling creatures.

24Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them.

25For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.


38 posted on 05/01/2009 8:53:38 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

Please add me to your ping list. Every time I read one of your threads I learn something new and the debate is always entertaining.


39 posted on 05/01/2009 8:54:03 AM PDT by AZ .44 MAG (A society that doesn't protect its children doesn't deserve to survive.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

So if the world was created yesterday, with you with all your memories created as a lie within you, then finding a memory of 80 million years ago would be evidence that the world was created yesterday.

Is that how you see it?


40 posted on 05/01/2009 8:54:07 AM PDT by donmeaker (Invicto)
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To: BubbaBasher

It’s sad when not even conservatives can think for themselves. It you want to believe darwood’s atheist creation myth, go right ahead. As for me, I will continue to glorify God’s wondrous creation!


41 posted on 05/01/2009 8:55:52 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: donmeaker

Basic cold, hard, reality: the tens of millions of years which you’ve been told all your life separate us from the dinosaur age has turned out to be a bunch of bullshit. Deal with it.


42 posted on 05/01/2009 8:56:44 AM PDT by varmintman
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To: AZ .44 MAG

Welcome aboard the HMS Creation. We are ship-shape, battle ready, and stand ready to take on survivors from the badly listing HMS Beagle :o)


43 posted on 05/01/2009 8:57:42 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: AZ .44 MAG

I don’t have a problem with creationists. I would just deny them the benefit of evolutionary science (modern medicine against evolved diseases, modern high yield food crops). I support, and extend your religious belief.

My example is that most Christian and Roumanian prince Vlad Tepes, a.k.a Dracula, who expressed his desire to support and extend the Turkish ambassadors’ habit of not doffing their hats in front of him, and so had their hats nailed to their heads.

B


44 posted on 05/01/2009 8:59:10 AM PDT by donmeaker (Invicto)
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To: varmintman
but not tens of millions or billions of years old. Robert Bass once redid Lord Kelvin's heat equations for the planet and included a maximal figure for radioactive elements, and got an upper bound for age of around 200M years.

Huh, aren't you contradicting yourself saying it isn't tens of millions or billions of years old and citing as evidence a study that gives evidence of the 200 million year old range? At that, later recalculations of Kelvin's analysis has actually increased the maximal figure, not decreased it.

http://www.uh.edu/engines/epi144.htm

45 posted on 05/01/2009 8:59:11 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: GodGunsGuts

So how is quoting an article thinking for yourself?


46 posted on 05/01/2009 8:59:48 AM PDT by donmeaker (Invicto)
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To: GodGunsGuts
80 million years eh?

That's good to hear.
“Cause that means when Jesus comes back for the resurrection, there’ll still be something left of me to bring back to life!
...and life IS in the blood after all!

47 posted on 05/01/2009 8:59:49 AM PDT by woollyone (I believe God created me- you believe you're related to monkeys. Of course I laughed at you!)
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To: varmintman

“turned out”

Not based on any evidence you have presented, or referenced.

Got any references to creationists who do like actual science rather than quote mining? Any thought experiments to help come up with a testable hypothesis?


48 posted on 05/01/2009 9:02:21 AM PDT by donmeaker (Invicto)
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To: GodGunsGuts
It’s sad when not even conservatives can think for themselves...

It may come as a shock to you, but those who believe in Evolution, ID, or Theistic Evolution(like me) actually do 'think for ourselves'.

49 posted on 05/01/2009 9:02:32 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: varmintman

Flash! Lord Kelvin proves that one can be smart and wrong at the same time.

Could you provide a source for Bass’ argument?


50 posted on 05/01/2009 9:02:47 AM PDT by stormer
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