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President Bush Mortgage Speech 2002(Helping those w bad credit buy houses)
youtube/twit273 ^ | September 24, 2008 | sickoflibs

Posted on 05/01/2009 8:51:06 PM PDT by sickoflibs

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To: sickoflibs
"Couldnt resist" LMAO I see that, the Bushes and Clinton pretty well threw an Monkey wrench in the gear set here, Doing the ground work for a third world imbecilic dictator and supporters to take over this country. Their so-called Presidential “Lieburys” should be in Kuwait, Kosovo.and Mexico. Not here as that is reserved for Americans.

Too continue then as if we have not had enough of these worthless Panderers there is talk of pulling Jeb out of that trash pile!!!!!!!! Enough!! Get a real Conservative we have been tortured enough.

51 posted on 05/02/2009 8:42:40 AM PDT by Cheetahcat (Osamabama Wright kind of Racist! We are in a state of War with Democrats)
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To: lonestar67; Cheetahcat; Will88; Liz; traviskicks; calcowgirl; dools007
RE :” But to attempt as you have to deliberately deceive conservatives on these boards that Bush advocated giving loans to people who cannot make the payments is a flat out lie.

In this case I posted a clip of GWB speech, word for word. I suppose you can claim he was imitated . There is so much more freepers have sent me about Bush and this subject(he especially wanted illegals to buy homes, a big part of problem.) . The problem with you, Mr “Defend Bush or die trying”, is that your canned talking points are idiotic and failed miserable last election. Before we can beat liberals we have to discredit termites like YOU!

Here's the video link:economic crisis president bush mortgage speech

RE “This makes it crystal clear. You support socialism and Barack Obama....How much are you paid?

LOL,You are killing me . Your posts make it obvious you are a relative of Bush, or La-Raza, whatever and you are defending one individual, no principles. Your nazi like "You are with Bush and me, or against Bush and me" antics are a joke. Go back to 2002 where that crap worked.

52 posted on 05/02/2009 9:48:04 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Bush-bot/Obama /Pelosi,Theme : "A dollar borrowed or printed is a dollar earned!")
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To: sickoflibs

As a termite let me inform you I am infesting and destroying your pro obama pro socialist house.

Bush made 17 interventions with congress including the current dem congress of 2007.

You support the democratic congress of 2009 and president Obama.

You are outraged that you are outed on this.


53 posted on 05/02/2009 10:13:59 AM PDT by lonestar67 ("I love my country a lot more than I love politics," President George W. Bush)
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To: lonestar67
RE :”You support the democratic congress of 2009 and president Obama. You are outraged that you are outed on this.

Outraged LOL

54 posted on 05/02/2009 10:18:35 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Bush-bot/Obama /Pelosi,Theme : "A dollar borrowed or printed is a dollar earned!")
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To: sickoflibs
In this case I posted a clip of GWB speech, word for word. I suppose you can claim he was imitated . There is so much more freepers have sent me about Bush and this subject(he especially wanted illegals to buy homes, a big part of problem.).

Bush's second term was a spectacular disaster, especially for the Republican party. The party went from what might have been its strongest position in 50 or more years after the 2004 election, to maybe its weakest position ever after the 2008 election.

The more people examine his second term, and the policies they pushed, the more condemning it will become. Bush apologists have also said here often that he always told us what his plans were re: illegal aliens were. 100% untrue. During a 2004 debate with Kerry, Kerry supported amnesty and Bush opposed amnesty, said we couldn't reward illegal behavior, etc.

They also like to brag about his SCOTUS choices, conveniently forgetting that his real choices were Alberto Gonzales and Harriet Miers.

I wondered for a time why the Bush admin. and the party didn't clearly lay out what caused the sub prime crisis and financial crisis and make it a constant campaign issue. I knew part of the reason, but I guess they knew they had contributed far too much to the crisis themselves to be credible, even though the Dems were several time more responsible over three decades.

From the third Bush/Kerry debate:

Now, it's very important for our citizens to also know that I don't believe we ought to have amnesty. I don't think we ought to reward illegal behavior. There are plenty of people standing in line to become a citizen, and we ought not to crowd these people ahead of them in line. If they want to become a citizen, they can stand in line, too. And here's where my opponent and I differ. In September 2003, he supported amnesty for illegal aliens.

In that 2004 debate, W used the weasel words to lie, before the public even knew the double, lying meaning of "amnesty" and "get in line", etc.:

3rd Bush/Kerry debate

55 posted on 05/02/2009 10:24:31 AM PDT by Will88
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To: sickoflibs
Fannie Mae 2003 Annual Report ----CEO Franklin Raines’ Letter to Shareholders
FR Posted 09/30/2008 by PAR

EXCERPT......Ten years ago, for example, the typical conforming mortgage required a down payment of 10 to 20 percent, and low-down payment mortgages were considered too risky. But then we helped to standardize the 3 to 5 percent down payment loan, brought it to global capital markets, and made it available to lenders and communities nationwide. Now low-down payment loans are commonplace. And we just adopted a new variance in our underwriting standards that will make the $500 down payment loan widely available as well...

In 1994, we pledged to provide $1 trillion in capital to ten million underserved families by the end of 2000. Thanks to our housing and industry partners, we met that goal early. Then in 2000, we launched our American Dream Commitment, a pledge to provide $2 trillion in capital to 18 million underserved families by the year 2010, including $400 billion targeted specifically for minority families (later raised to $700 billion in response to President Bush’s Minority Homeownership Initiative).

After four of the strongest years in housing and mortgage finance history, we’ve already surpassed the top-line goals of this commitment. But our work is far from complete.

So in January 2004, we announced our Expanded American Dream Commitment and pledged significant new resources to tackle America’s toughest housing challenges. Our new commitment has three main goals.

First, we will expand access to homeownership for six million first-time home buyers in the next ten years, including 1.8 million minority first-time home buyers. We also will help raise the national minority homeownership rate from 49 percent to 55 percent, with the ultimate goal of closing it entirely.

Second, we will help new and long-term homeowners stay in their homes through a series of initiatives, and commit $15 billion to preserve affordable rental housing and $1.5 billion to support the revitalization of public housing communities.

Third, we will increase the supply of affordable housing and support community development activities in at least 1,000 neighborhoods across the country through our American Communities Fund, and through targeted investments like Low-Income Housing Tax Credits that help finance affordable rental housing.

It is because of initiatives like our Trillion Dollar Commitment and our American Dream Commitment that we have exceeded our HUD affordable housing goals for ten consecutive years. And we have increased our financing of mortgages to African Americans by over 400 percent and to Hispanic Americans by 470 percent in the past ten years, compared with a 205 percent increase in overall financing.

Our Expanded American Dream Commitment will help us do even more.

56 posted on 05/02/2009 10:28:51 AM PDT by Liz (I was like Snow White, then I drifted. Mae West (on liberalism.)
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To: Las Vegas Ron
I'm not so sure I'd want to take back the 'compassionate' part of Bush IIs 'compassionate conservativism'. I think that if we did, what we'd find left behind wasn't conservative at all.

His end goals were mostly liberal, he was just willing to try conservative rhetoric and sometimes conservative means to get there.

57 posted on 05/02/2009 10:32:11 AM PDT by slowhandluke (It's hard work to be cynical enough in this age)
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To: sickoflibs

You do not deny any of the arguments and rationales provided.

For those on these boards who recognize this anti-conservative agenda that you are running, its not enough to rebut it here.

We need to go their home sites at Huffington and elsewhere and pry into the Change meme.

It is not difficult to begin wedging the space of unment expectations. Sickoflibs idealized leader should have fixed all the problems alongside his Congress that has been in power since 2009.

Why have the democrats failed to deliver?

Why has Obama failed?

Why does Obama literally kiss up [or should I say kiss down] to the Saudi King?

Obama must be a conservative plant.

Until conservatives are willing to get tough and start fighting fire with fire, they will find themselves on the short end of the stick.

There is no stable advocacy in Sickoflibs arguments— just Bush bad.

That is because leftist have no agenda except their own power.


58 posted on 05/02/2009 10:33:03 AM PDT by lonestar67 ("I love my country a lot more than I love politics," President George W. Bush)
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To: boycott

“George W. Bush is a meathead.”

I have said the same, and worse, many times.

he killed us on spending. He betrayed us on immigration. He devastated us with ‘compassionate conservatism’.

but... after the last 100 days, I sure do miss him.


59 posted on 05/02/2009 10:37:25 AM PDT by KarenMarie
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To: sickoflibs
The Bush defenders seem to forget how well he worked with democrats, This initiative moved democrats out into the counties to vote democrat, like here in Maryland.
I used to be a "Bush defender" and on some subjects -- Iraq, "torture" and some other aspects of the WOT I still am -- but when it comes to Bush's understanding of capitalism and the role it plays in preserving individual liberty, I believe that Bush's understanding was and is very low, as it is with all RINOs.

And on many issues Bush certainly was a RINO.

The tax cuts? Well, yes. The tax cuts were good. But they weren't enough. On too many other issues he climbed into bed with the party of Barney Frank (with Barney himself often right there under the sheets). And why? In my opinion, Bush always wanted to be liked by the lefties, an evil habit he picked up from his squishy-RINO dad.

If Bush had taken a few minutes each week to read FR he may have learned what nearly all of us here knew all along... no matter how much demo-butt he licked, they were NEVER going to like him. And they didn't. And they don't.

So he basically sold out his country, sold out his core supporters, for a sick illusion... the fantasy that he could get the lefties to like him. Which was never going to happen. Not in a million years.

So he sold us out for nothing.

We went very, very cheap.

The cheapest slavery-sale in the history of human civilization.

60 posted on 05/02/2009 11:07:12 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: Liz
Fact Sheet: Expanding Homeownership Opportunities for All Americans

En Español

December 16, 2003

Expanding Homeownership Opportunities for All Americans

Today's Presidential Action

Today, President Bush signed into law the American Dream Downpayment Act of 2003, which will help approximately 40,000 families a year with their down payment and closing costs, and further strengthen America's housing market. This legislation complements the President's aggressive housing agenda announced in 2002 to dismantle the barriers to homeownership. Today, the Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) and the Census Bureau released data showing that new home construction in November reached its highest level in nearly 20 years. Overall housing starts rose 4.5 percent from October and rose 17.6 percent from November of 2002. Single-family housing starts totaled 1,695,000 (SAAR) in November, up 3.3 percent from October and up 20.8 percent from November 2002 -- a record for single-family starts. The strong housing market is beneficial for communities across the Nation. America's families have been refinancing due to the lowest mortgage rates in 45 years, saving hundreds of dollars a month on their home payments. The U.S. homeownership rate was 68.4% in the third quarter?its highest level ever.

Background on Today's Presidential Action

The biggest barrier to homeownership is often accumulating funds for a down payment. In June 2002, President Bush proposed the American Dream Downpayment Fund to help low-income families take much-needed steps to own a home of their own, and announced the goal of increasing the number of minority homeowners by at least 5.5 million before the end of the decade. President Bush's aggressive housing agenda to dismantle the barriers to homeownership includes providing down payment assistance through the American Dream Downpayment Fund; increasing the supply of affordable homes through the Single-Family Affordable Housing Tax Credit; increasing support for self-help homeownership programs like Habitat for Humanity; simplifying the home-buying process; and increasing home-buying education.

Dismantling the Barriers to Homeownership President Bush issued America's Homeownership Challenge to the real estate and mortgage finance industries to encourage them to join the effort to close the gap that exists between the homeownership rates of minorities and non-minorities. The Bush Administration and the America's Homeownership Challenge partners in the private sector are working hard to increase minority homeownership, and are seeing positive results:

There are more than 1 million new minority homeowners in the U.S. since the President's announcement 18 months ago. Nearly 1,500 low-income families are now using housing vouchers to pay their monthly mortgage or other costs of owning a home, and HUD is working with public housing authorities to allow the sale of some units to tenants. The Federal Trade Commission and HUD are working together to protect homebuyers from predatory lenders. The Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation is continuing to implement the Money Smart program, which is providing financial education services for potential homebuyers. Through America's Homeownership Challenge, more than 2 dozen companies have made commitments to increase minority homeownership, including pledges to provide more than $1.1 trillion in mortgage purchases for minority homebuyers this decade. The Bush Administration has begun the final stage of its effort to reduce closing costs, simplify the settlement paperwork, and eliminate surprise closing costs for American homebuyers by reforming the rules governing the Real Estate Settlement Procedures Act.
Strengthening Economic Activity

According to an analysis released in 2002 by HUD, meeting the President's goal to close the housing gap will involve $256 billion in economic activity in the form of construction and remodeling jobs, spending on household goods, and other benefits. Because of rising home values, Americans are enjoying more than $2.5 trillion of greater housing wealth than they did at the beginning of 2001.

61 posted on 05/02/2009 11:08:20 AM PDT by calcowgirl (RECALL Abel Maldonado! - NO on Props 1A 1B 1C 1D 1E 1F)
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To: lonestar67; Cheetahcat; Will88; Liz; traviskicks; calcowgirl; dools007
RE “For those on these boards who recognize this anti-conservative agenda that you are running, its not enough to rebut it here....There is no stable advocacy in Sickoflibs arguments— just Bush bad. That is because leftist have no agenda except their own power.” (more lone-bushbot brilliance)

sickoflibs ACTUAL agenda sample by sickoflibs: “ It is not merely that inflation breeds dishonesty in a nation. Inflation is itself a dishonest act on the part of government, and sets the example for private citizens. When modern governments inflate by increasing the paper-money supply, directly or indirectly, they do in principle what kings once did when they clipped coins. Diluting the money supply with paper is the moral equivalent of diluting the milk supply with water. Notwithstanding all the pious pretenses of governments that inflation is some evil visitation from without, inflation is practically always the result of deliberate governmental policy. “

From : “What You Should Know About Inflation” by Henry Hazlitt

62 posted on 05/02/2009 11:16:27 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Bush-bot/Obama /Pelosi,Theme : "A dollar borrowed or printed is a dollar earned!")
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To: samtheman
RE :”The tax cuts? Well, yes. The tax cuts were good. But they weren't enough

“ It is not merely that inflation breeds dishonesty in a nation. Inflation is itself a dishonest act on the part of government, and sets the example for private citizens. When modern governments inflate by increasing the paper-money supply, directly or indirectly, they do in principle what kings once did when they clipped coins. Diluting the money supply with paper is the moral equivalent of diluting the milk supply with water. Notwithstanding all the pious pretenses of governments that inflation is some evil visitation from without, inflation is practically always the result of deliberate governmental policy. “

From : “What You Should Know About Inflation” by Henry Hazlitt

63 posted on 05/02/2009 11:19:43 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Bush-bot/Obama /Pelosi,Theme : "A dollar borrowed or printed is a dollar earned!")
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To: calcowgirl

“Fact Sheet: Expanding Homeownership Opportunities for All Americans

En Español

December 16, 2003

Expanding Homeownership Opportunities for All Americans

Today’s Presidential Action

Today, President Bush signed into law the American Dream Downpayment Act of 2003, w”

Bookmarking your post!Thanks.


64 posted on 05/02/2009 11:20:50 AM PDT by AuntB (The right to vote in America: Blacks 1870; Women 1920; Native Americans 1925; Foreigners 2008)
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To: AuntB
I have long suspected that the continued flow of illegal immigration was motivated by a need for more labor to prop up the housing market. And lo and behold, at the bottom of that announcement, I found this:
"...the President's goal to close the housing gap will involve $256 billion in economic activity in the form of construction and remodeling jobs, spending on household goods, and other benefits. ..."
Gee... I wonder, who filled those jobs?
65 posted on 05/02/2009 11:25:13 AM PDT by calcowgirl (RECALL Abel Maldonado! - NO on Props 1A 1B 1C 1D 1E 1F)
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To: lonestar67

Nice try, but there is a huge push here to rewrite history and denigrate both Bush and the GOP Congress with blanket statements and lies. I can only assume FR has been taken over by Leftist moles, who have been laying low till now, and the looney Third Party whack-jobs who never stop screaming about “RINOs”.


66 posted on 05/02/2009 11:33:23 AM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: Deb

“Nice try, but there is a huge push here to rewrite history and denigrate both Bush and the GOP Congress with blanket statements and lies. I can only assume FR has been taken over by Leftist moles, who have been laying low till now, and the looney Third Party whack-jobs who never stop screaming about “RINOs”.”

There is no need to lie! this GOP congress ?? Where Exactly is that? Look at the voting record not very GOP Like.
And that Pant load W where do you start??? The amnesty or His Racist remarks were a nice touch right up there with his great Religion that he flooded this country with BTW put his liebury in mexico..


67 posted on 05/02/2009 11:51:39 AM PDT by Cheetahcat (Osamabama Wright kind of Racist! We are in a state of War with Democrats)
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To: Cheetahcat

Try again when you can make sense.


68 posted on 05/02/2009 11:53:43 AM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: Deb
Go back to sleep. We'll wake you when the Repubs do something good.

I remember one of W's state of the union speeches in which he bragged about more people being able to own homes. Yes, Dodd and Frank should be run out of town, but there's plenty of blame to go around.

69 posted on 05/02/2009 11:57:43 AM PDT by nufsed (Release the birth certificate, school and passport records.)
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To: samtheman
RE “So he basically sold out his country, sold out his core supporters, for a sick illusion... the fantasy that he could get the lefties to like him. Which was never going to happen. Not in a million years. So he sold us out for nothing. We went very, very cheap. The cheapest slavery-sale in the history of human civilization.

Worth repeating, very well put!,

My thoughts are that his popularity was already declining by 2004 but Rove told him he could win election if he reached out to certain groups, elderly and single Mom's with sellout spending bills (Medicare drugs, and Education, no vouchers. ) And it worked , he got elected with better margin than 2000 by pulling in a few more million voters (very expensive) . So as his popularity really started to decline he continued, more big government sellouts, but there was no amount of money or sellouts that would work long term. I can tell you what those groups complain the most about him , and it's common to most voters. He could not buy that back. Once the economy tanked it was over for him. He was hoping Iraq victory would save his legacy. So he spent more and more.

70 posted on 05/02/2009 12:10:42 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Bush-bot/Obama /Pelosi,Theme : "A dollar borrowed or printed is a dollar earned!")
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To: Deb
Try again when you can make sense.

I would suggest a review of history then get back Regards.

71 posted on 05/02/2009 12:11:09 PM PDT by Cheetahcat (Osamabama Wright kind of Racist! We are in a state of War with Democrats)
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To: sickoflibs

Credit ratings change as people clean up their financial acts - pay down debts, accumulate savings, pay bills on time, and pay off amounts in collections, if need be.

Bad credit is not a lifetime sentence. The number is not fixed, it changes. No idea why more folks don’t realize this.


72 posted on 05/02/2009 12:13:00 PM PDT by Ted Grant
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To: lonestar67; sickoflibs
You do not deny any of the arguments and rationales provided.

For those on these boards who recognize this anti-conservative agenda that you are running, its not enough to rebut it here.

From what I can tell, there has been no rationale provided by the lonestar67 screenname and any argument presented has been pretty well shot down.

As to an "anti-conservative" agenda, you have demonstrated that pretty clearly by defending the socialist programs introduced by our last President(R). And now, we have a new President(D) offering up socialist-programs-on-steroids.

73 posted on 05/02/2009 12:21:53 PM PDT by calcowgirl (RECALL Abel Maldonado! - NO on Props 1A 1B 1C 1D 1E 1F)
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To: nufsed
"...plenty of blame to go around." Really? Anymore lame cliches in your quiver? No credit for the times Bush and various Republicans tried to stop the runaway real estate train or are you only interested in selective outrage?

Let me guess, Ron Paul is your guy.

74 posted on 05/02/2009 12:29:15 PM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: calcowgirl
RE :”As to an “anti-conservative” agenda, you have demonstrated that pretty clearly by defending the socialist programs introduced by our last President(R).

How dare you call Bush programs socialist? bush TARP 1 was free market economic growth but TARP 2 was socialist as lone-bushbot told us. Are you working for Obama? How much do you get paid? Who did you vote for?? Why didnt you say everything bad during Bush was Obama’s fault? I am a conservative because I protect Bush. You are from Move-on

Everyone, this thread is taken over by Obama trolls that dis our great capitalist leader GWB.

To GWB! To the good times! (this is a lone-bush bot similated response, not my opinion of calcowgirl LOL)

75 posted on 05/02/2009 12:32:41 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Bush-bot/Obama /Pelosi,Theme : "A dollar borrowed or printed is a dollar earned!")
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To: sickoflibs
That is not exactly the way I see it. GWB thought he could buy love. But there was a theory about this they were telling republicans that home ownership creates conservatives, ownership society. That backfired beyond belief. He turned the country side into suburbs and democrat.

Because it's ownership only if you've actually earned it yourself.

76 posted on 05/02/2009 12:34:05 PM PDT by thecodont
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To: Will88

Great research, Thanks! I didnt even remember that!


77 posted on 05/02/2009 12:36:15 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Bush-bot/Obama /Pelosi,Theme : "A dollar borrowed or printed is a dollar earned!")
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To: thecodont; calcowgirl; lonestar67; Cheetahcat; Will88; Liz; traviskicks; dools007; ...
RE :”Because it's ownership only if you've actually earned it yourself.

My theory is government assistance corrupts the soul. It creates a loyalty to government like to parents, or God . The support of redistribution, say tax increases or printing money, is then viewed as PERSONAL generosity. (A liberal manager recently told me, "I am willing to pay more taxes"). What people think is either : " The gov helped me, why not everyone? " or " The gov helps everyone, why not me? "

God becomes gov.

78 posted on 05/02/2009 12:49:38 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Bush-bot/Obama /Pelosi,Theme : "A dollar borrowed or printed is a dollar earned!")
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To: sickoflibs
How dare you call Bush programs socialist?

What do you call taking taxpayer money and giving it to poor people so they can buy houses? Is there a better word than socialist?

Are you working for Obama? How much do you get paid? Who did you vote for?? Why didnt you say everything bad during Bush was Obama’s fault? I am a conservative because I protect Bush. You are from Move-on. Everyone, this thread is taken over by Obama trolls that dis our great capitalist leader GWB. To GWB! To the good times!

ROFL! I'm from the "Government is not the solution" branch of the GOP, a dying breed according to the stuff coming out of lonestar.

(this is a lone-bush bot similated response, not my opinion of calcowgirl LOL)

I get it. But I thought I'd put it in bold, just in case.

79 posted on 05/02/2009 12:54:37 PM PDT by calcowgirl (RECALL Abel Maldonado! - NO on Props 1A 1B 1C 1D 1E 1F)
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To: Deb
How many times are you going to be wrong on the same thread. Unlike you, I'm not a republican. I'm a conservative.

If you want to keep denying Bush's supoport for low-income housing, then have fun, but don't try to ignore the record. Whether he supported it or not, he sure took credit for it.

Let me guess. You're RINO.

80 posted on 05/02/2009 1:04:40 PM PDT by nufsed (Release the birth certificate, school and passport records.)
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To: nufsed
Plenty of Bush speeches and statements have been posted (even on this thread) that show you are a liar or ignoramous.

Being such a stalwart "conservative", who is your unblemished, blue steel candidate? Can't wait for this one.

81 posted on 05/02/2009 1:17:11 PM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: Deb; nufsed
Plenty of Bush speeches and statements have been posted (even on this thread) that show you are a liar or ignoramous.

Actually the opposite is true.

Years of speeches and press releases show the overwhelming efforts of the Bush administration to increase minority homeownership through massive government programs so that everyone would live the "American Dream."

Read the thread.

82 posted on 05/02/2009 1:31:43 PM PDT by calcowgirl (RECALL Abel Maldonado! - NO on Props 1A 1B 1C 1D 1E 1F)
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To: calcowgirl
Increasing minority homeownership is hardly the same as forcing banks to grant loans to unqualified buyers. How 'bout you read the thread. It figures you'd drag your soiled underpants in here. Is there a bell that goes off in your bathroom when a GOP-bashing thread goes up?
83 posted on 05/02/2009 1:37:21 PM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: calcowgirl

Start with post #12.


84 posted on 05/02/2009 1:38:59 PM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: Deb; nufsed
Increasing minority homeownership is hardly the same as forcing banks to grant loans to unqualified buyers. How 'bout you read the thread.

Hello? You called the poster a "liar" and "ignoramus" because they said:

"If you want to keep denying Bush's supoport for low-income housing, then have fun, but don't try to ignore the record. Whether he supported it or not, he sure took credit for it."

Go ahead and try to try to redefine the statement. Sheesh! What a spinster!

It figures you'd drag your soiled underpants in here. Is there a bell that goes off in your bathroom when a GOP-bashing thread goes up?

Always the class act, Deb. NOT!

I don't defend liberalism, no matter the party that is dishing it out.

85 posted on 05/02/2009 1:44:31 PM PDT by calcowgirl (RECALL Abel Maldonado! - NO on Props 1A 1B 1C 1D 1E 1F)
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To: Deb

Start with Bush’s plan from 2002... then work your way forward:

http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/infocus/homeownership/homeownership-policy-book-whole.pdf


86 posted on 05/02/2009 1:47:02 PM PDT by calcowgirl (RECALL Abel Maldonado! - NO on Props 1A 1B 1C 1D 1E 1F)
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To: calcowgirl

Do you even read English or does your brain only recognize BS, before it puts you to sleep?


87 posted on 05/02/2009 1:48:33 PM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: calcowgirl

You’re one behind...try to catch up.


88 posted on 05/02/2009 1:49:36 PM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: Deb; nufsed
Do you even read English or does your brain only recognize BS, before it puts you to sleep?

Like I said, always the class act. /s

When you can't support your posts, you launch into personal assaults. You owe nufsed an apology.

89 posted on 05/02/2009 2:09:07 PM PDT by calcowgirl (RECALL Abel Maldonado! - NO on Props 1A 1B 1C 1D 1E 1F)
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To: calcowgirl

Home ownership and low income housing are completely different items.

The BDS crowd is completely ignoring arguments:

1. Bush 17 times advocated reforms to fannie mae and related programs to prevent the current crisis.

2. In 2007, the democrats gained control of the Congress and accelerated the crisis.

3. Low income housing and home ownership are different. Home ownership is capitalism. That is conservative. Less than 7% of mortgages are in some sort of default.

4. Bush’s TARP plan pays back taxpayers. Obama’s does not.

5. Bush spent only half of the original $750 billion TARP 1.

6. The BDS crowd is not offering alternatives and refuses to repudiate Obama’s actions.

It is completely legit to reject the BDS arguments as more efforts to stymie the conservative movement.

This is politics. W was chosen in 2000 because the alternative was McCain. W was and remains more conservative than McCain. There is nothing preventing anyone here from running for, supporting, or defending conservative candidates for Congress.

That is not what is being done here. This is a Bush bash fest which caters to the Left’s domination of the public sphere. All conservatives will be pilloried until they are unsustainable. Palin and others will be internally smeared to prevent the re-emergence of conservatism as a public cause.


90 posted on 05/02/2009 3:12:47 PM PDT by lonestar67 ("I love my country a lot more than I love politics," President George W. Bush)
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To: calcowgirl

You’re confusing everyone with facts.


91 posted on 05/02/2009 4:20:06 PM PDT by nufsed (Release the birth certificate, school and passport records.)
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To: lonestar67
Home ownership and low income housing are completely different items.

DUH!

I didn't say they were.

92 posted on 05/02/2009 5:05:48 PM PDT by calcowgirl (RECALL Abel Maldonado! - NO on Props 1A 1B 1C 1D 1E 1F)
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To: lonestar67
1. Bush 17 times advocated reforms to fannie mae and related programs to prevent the current crisis.

He called for reforms... but not to prevent the current crisis.

2. In 2007, the democrats gained control of the Congress and accelerated the crisis.

The foundation was already built -- by both pubbies and dems.

3. Low income housing and home ownership are different. Home ownership is capitalism. That is conservative. Less than 7% of mortgages are in some sort of default.

Home ownership, funded with taxpayer money is not capitalism nor conservative.

4. Bush’s TARP plan pays back taxpayers. Obama’s does not.

They both suck.

5. Bush spent only half of the original $750 billion TARP 1.

Half of a bad idea is still a bad idea.

6. The BDS crowd is not offering alternatives and refuses to repudiate Obama’s actions.

I repudiate Obama's actions all the time. But that isn't the subject of this thread.

This is a Bush bash fest which caters to the Left’s domination of the public sphere.

As I said earlier, I oppose liberalism whether it comes with an R or a D attached. Defending it just because it was offered by a Republican is simply denial and of no value, IMO.

93 posted on 05/02/2009 5:13:44 PM PDT by calcowgirl (RECALL Abel Maldonado! - NO on Props 1A 1B 1C 1D 1E 1F)
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To: nufsed
You’re confusing everyone with facts.

Yeah. I have an affection for truth. It's a gift and a curse. ;-)

94 posted on 05/02/2009 5:15:00 PM PDT by calcowgirl (RECALL Abel Maldonado! - NO on Props 1A 1B 1C 1D 1E 1F)
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To: sickoflibs

Bush also made a speech “apologizing” for America’s history while he was in Africa. He acted like a Democratic liberal idiot in a number of ways.


95 posted on 05/02/2009 5:26:13 PM PDT by Pelham (America, an extinct culture formerly occupying Mexifornia and New Aztlan.)
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To: lonestar67

Keep drinking the koolaid.


96 posted on 05/02/2009 5:27:17 PM PDT by Pelham (America, an extinct culture formerly occupying Mexifornia and New Aztlan.)
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To: Deb

Apparently in your world posting Bush’s old speeches qualifies as rewriting history and denigrating Bush. It’s tough for you to give up the imaginary Bush for the real one.

“Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.”


97 posted on 05/02/2009 5:40:18 PM PDT by Pelham (America, an extinct culture formerly occupying Mexifornia and New Aztlan.)
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To: Pelham

The speech has no negative content. It is okay to own a home. The program was a huge success in every way.

The problems in the Mortage industry were foreseen by bush and 17 times he instructed congress to take action. He even provided frameworks and policies for acting.

On the other hand we have the bush reactionaries here who have zero effe I’ve advocacy.

It is the BDS crowd that ignores the evidnce here.

Why?


98 posted on 05/02/2009 7:00:29 PM PDT by lonestar67 ("I love my country a lot more than I love politics," President George W. Bush)
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To: sickoflibs

No, my point was that I got no break whatsoever. In taking on a second job to afford braces on my teenagers, wisdom teeth out, and other sundry big ticket items, I earned more taxable income and was taxed heavily for my efforts.

I do not know who Bush gave tax cuts to, but my federal tax contribution went up in 2004 by several thousand and has remained higher. Hence, my sarcasm that Bush’s tax cuts did not include single moms.

Its fine though. I learned a valuable lesson about the republican party. One I will not forget.


99 posted on 05/02/2009 7:08:52 PM PDT by softengine (Betrayal and Hypocrisy play on both sides of the fence.......but no one will admit it.)
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To: calcowgirl

Bush’s reforms were exactly about the current crisis. I question whether you even read the descriptions of what W was asking for. And those are brief descriptions of hours of testimony given to Congress on what was necessary to prevent an exact crisis of the nature we are having now.

Not only that, but Barney Frank pitched his usual hissy fit in 2007 saying that there definitely was no crisis and that if anyone said there was they were causing a crisis. This is highly indicative of the same behavior we see on this thread. Denial Denial Denial and then when the crisis comes— just blame it on Bush as if he had no advocacy against the problem.

That is more than ridiculous— its pathological and designed to increase the presence of tyranny in the country. By January of 2007 when Democrats took full control of Congress there was still ample time to reverse course in the lending community and head off the current crisis. The democrats pushed the problem further ahead. The Republican Congress certainly does share some blame but only the BDS crowd of Leftists would insist that Bush get no Credit and total blame. The premise of this thread is 100% Bush blame and no credit for advocating and proposing policies to fix the problem.

Do you own a home calcowgirl? because most mortgages involve government backing such as FHA. You seem to stick to purist absolutism as if we are debating philosophy rather than politics. If all loans lacked government support there would be few people owning homes. The system has worked well for decades and was prevented in places such as Texas where the banking system crashed in the 1980s and the reforms Bush sought had already been implemented. The overwhelming majority of these bad loans took place in Florida and California. Where again, local authorites like the ones in Texas could have implemented lending practices requiring legitimate applicaitons for loans.

It reminds of Katrina where Blanco and Nagin refused to issue emergency orders like those issued in Mississippi because they knew that the deaths of local people would be blamed on Bush. The mortgage crisis had local roots that are quite discernible.

Tarp 1 sucks a lot less than Tarp 2 and again you are unresponsive. This is not philosophy class— this is politics. You have to choose and refusing to choose is part of the problem and promotes Democratic dominance.

That’s not the subject of the thread— well then the Bush advocacy for reforming mortages ought to be germane.

Bush did not invent government backing of mortgages. Home ownership with federal backing is capitalism and conservatism. Home ownership is the acquisition of capital and exposes citizens to the concepts of property taxes which are another severe imposition on our freedoms.

Bush did win an election in 2004. You and your friends had an opportunity to be purists then and failed. McCain also made all of your arguments— bashing Bush to the hilt. Even Palin joined in.

These arguments have not won a single election. That is fair criticism of your arguments.

You are doing much better on rebuttals than sickoflibs but you are still on the wrong side of this debate.


100 posted on 05/02/2009 7:19:42 PM PDT by lonestar67 ("I love my country a lot more than I love politics," President George W. Bush)
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