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To: Dawnsblood
The simple reality of the fact that Japan did not surrender after two A-boming has always made the demo drop argument mute for me

Also more real death and destruction was being caused by the conventional firebombing raids ... the A bomb's real power was in it physiological "shock" power ...

The ongoing conventional war would of just gone on slowly ramping ever day as it had the previous four years to far more and more death...

It the way of people we can adjust over time to what we can not adjust to in it one quick shocking moment

Most people that die in war, die in a bunch of small battles and action drawn out over time then in the one big battle...

But it the one big battle or action the physiological "shock" that breaks the will to go on fighting

Japan intended, in part, for Pearl Harbor to have that "quick shocking moment" effect to make the US quit before the war really even started

And at the risk of having the A-boming called terrorism...

Terrorism totally relies on force multiplier effect of the "one quick shocking moment"

War it an ugly thing, but men can do far uglier things and call it "Peace"

24 posted on 05/02/2009 1:15:40 AM PDT by tophat9000 ( We are "O" so f---ed)
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To: tophat9000

Japan was infinitely easier than today’s Islamoterrorism problem, because there was an Emperor that they all revered and when that Emperor surrendered to us, Japan was eating out of our hand. Would that all wars could end that neatly.

Islamoterrorism is more like a herd of cats. Though, as Bush accidentally found out, it will recoil at least temporarily if some of its strongholds are hurt.


25 posted on 05/02/2009 1:31:28 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Beat a better path, and the world will build a mousetrap at your door.)
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To: tophat9000

I agree. It took the dropping of TWO atomic bombs to get the Japanese to surrender; that’s how fanatical their government and military were.
Clowns like Stewart do not know their history and statements like his merely expose, once again, his liberal bias. One needs context to understand the decision to drop the bomb. The US, in the previous few months had endured the invasions of Okinawa and Iwo Jima, which were very bloody and costly. A planned invasion of the main Japanese island would have been exponentially so hence, the decision to proceed with the Hiroshima bombing.
As for the espionage, this involves Alger Hiss, Paul Greenglass (an employee at Los Alamos), and others. Alger Hiss was a high-ranking FDR State Dept envoy. What the Soviets got through this network enabled them to make a carbon copy of the bomb known as “Fat Man”, the one dropped on Hiroshima. This was the plutonium implosion device and was also the one design tested at Alamogordo in July, 1945. The uranium gun device, dropped on Hiroshima, was thought to be successful with a high degree of confidence and was dropped without the initial test in the New Mexico desert.
If you want to read an excellent book about this subject, read “The Making of the Atomic Bomb” by Richard Rhodes. It covers the technical and geopolitical aspects in a very readable format.
As for Stewart and his ilk, they’ll fall asleep by page 15 and go back to mouthing their standard liberal tripe.


29 posted on 05/02/2009 4:06:29 AM PDT by Smber (The smallest minority is the individual. Get the government off my back.)
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