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U.S. May Revive Guantánamo Military Courts
New York Times ^ | May 1, 2009 | Willam Glaberson

Posted on 05/02/2009 4:48:42 AM PDT by reaganaut1

The Obama administration is moving toward reviving the military commission system for prosecuting Guantánamo detainees, which was a target of critics during the Bush administration, including Mr. Obama himself.

Officials said the first public moves could come as soon as next week, perhaps in filings to military judges at the United States naval base at Guantánamo Bay, outlining an administration plan to amend the Bush administration’s system to provide more legal protections for terrorism suspects.

Continuing the military commissions in any form would probably prompt sharp criticism from human rights groups as well as some of Mr. Obama’s political allies because the troubled system became an emblem of the effort to use Guantánamo to avoid the American legal system.

Officials who work on the Guantánamo issue say administration lawyers have become concerned that they would face significant obstacles to trying some terrorism suspects in federal courts. Judges might make it difficult to prosecute detainees who were subjected to brutal treatment or for prosecutors to use hearsay evidence gathered by intelligence agencies.

Obama administration officials — and Mr. Obama himself — have said in the past that they were not ruling out prosecutions in the military commission system. But senior officials have emphasized that they prefer to prosecute terrorism suspects in existing American courts. When President Obama suspended Guantánamo cases after his inauguration on Jan. 20, many participants said the military commission system appeared dead.

But in recent days a variety of officials involved in the deliberations say that after administration lawyers examined many of the cases, the mood shifted toward using military commissions to prosecute some detainees, perhaps including those charged with coordinating the Sept. 11 attacks.

“The more they look at it,” said one official, “the more commissions don’t look as bad as they did on Jan. 20.”

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Obama is making the right decision now, but if he has any shame he will admit that he was wrong to criticize the military tribunals on the campaign trail and even after being elected. Of course, he has no shame.
1 posted on 05/02/2009 4:48:42 AM PDT by reaganaut1
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To: reaganaut1
***provide more legal protections for terrorism suspects***

Obama will get a free pass from the MSM because of the quote above even though most normal people think the terrorist have too much legal protection.

2 posted on 05/02/2009 4:57:25 AM PDT by tobyhill ("Hope and Change" is so overrated!)
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To: reaganaut1

He has no shame.


3 posted on 05/02/2009 4:59:05 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: reaganaut1
Obama will be praised for being "realistic" every time he goes back on his anti-Bush positions.

When Bush increases the deficit = irresponsible Republican.

When Obama increases the deficit = intelligent, responsible, new FDR.

Bush Gitmo = torture

Obama Gitmo = smart

4 posted on 05/02/2009 4:59:17 AM PDT by Darkwolf377
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To: reaganaut1
Obama has had Washington DC area politicians down on their knees BEGGING him not to try any of these pukes in this area. They fear the trials being attacked by AlQaida sleeper cells attempting to free Gitmo prisoners.
5 posted on 05/02/2009 5:01:04 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: reaganaut1

Whether it’s right or wrong, the Republicans should BLAST HIM for this move (figuratively, of course). We should make him justify it and have some fun at the same time.

It’s time we get in the gutter with these animals and start fighting them at their level.


6 posted on 05/02/2009 5:04:15 AM PDT by BobL (Drop a comment: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2180357/posts)
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To: reaganaut1

Maybe if the damned fool would think before he acted and ask advice of someone other than his toadies he wouldnt make such mistakes in the firt place and have to look the fool when he rescinds stupid acts.

Pride goeth before the fall. His arrogance is unbounded.


7 posted on 05/02/2009 5:09:16 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: reaganaut1

All his campaign criticisms, that served to get him elected, were made out of ignorance. Those on the outside often don’t realize the realities until they’re on the inside. And the result is that they want to tar and feather those who were originally on the inside, yet later realize they were wrong. It doesn’t matter that their victims were drummed out of office as a result of the attackers’ ignorance and incompetence.


8 posted on 05/02/2009 5:11:11 AM PDT by Real Cynic No More (The only thing standing between us and complete victory over the evildoers is POLITICS!)
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To: reaganaut1
Continuing the military commissions in any form would probably prompt sharp criticism from human rights groups as well as some of Mr. Obama’s political allies...

No, it won't. As long as he is pro-abortion he will never be seriously criticized for anything--not from the Left, anyway.

Not only is abortion the most important issue to the Left, it's the infallible, unquestioned signal that a politician is, despite ANY bobbing and weaving on any other issue, on the side of Evil. And THAT'S what really counts.

9 posted on 05/02/2009 5:12:04 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan (If Bishop D'Arcy finds out a priest is molesting kids, he will boycott the parish's Fall Supper!!!)
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To: reaganaut1

Any sentence beginning with “If Obama...”—I skip.

If Obama has any shame... If Obama wants to protect the country... If Obama wants to save the financial system... If Obama really wants to bring us together... If Obama really wants to reduce abortions...

I know he doesn’t have you fooled. But there are still columnists out there basing entire 700-word thumbsuckers on the premise that Obama MIGHT “really want” to do something he promised to do, or something good for the country.


10 posted on 05/02/2009 5:16:12 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan (If Bishop D'Arcy finds out a priest is molesting kids, he will boycott the parish's Fall Supper!!!)
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To: reaganaut1

Cold hard reality finally smacking Obama and Holder in the head over giving these animals trials in American criminal courts.


11 posted on 05/02/2009 5:17:03 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin is a smart missile aimed at the heart of the left!)
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To: BobL
Exactly. The move itself should not be criticized but Obama should be labeled the liar he is, without hesitation.
12 posted on 05/02/2009 5:21:10 AM PDT by tobyhill ("Hope and Change" is so overrated!)
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To: reaganaut1

He’s going to use them against right wing extremists.


13 posted on 05/02/2009 5:22:49 AM PDT by rintense (Go Israel!)
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To: reaganaut1

The order he signed on his first day suspended trials for 120 days. The kooks are happy, dancing in the streets. The second coronation of the centenial is now done...and now Bambi and Greg (remember him - the guy who told the Messiah where to sign)hope the kooks are too stupid to notice that the trials have resumed.

Luckily for him, they’re pretty darned stupid.


14 posted on 05/02/2009 5:24:11 AM PDT by lacrew (Axe not what your teleprompter can do for you....)
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To: Venturer

“Maybe if the damned fool would think before he acted and ask advice of someone other than his toadies he wouldnt make such mistakes in the firt place and have to look the fool when he rescinds stupid acts.”

Spot on.

This clown grandstands - and THEN, when he finds out what the REAL deal is he does the BS “somewhat revise our strategy” schtick.

Ready, fire, aim........


15 posted on 05/02/2009 5:24:25 AM PDT by roaddog727 (Built Ford tough not Obama weak.)
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To: reaganaut1

The Republicans ought to force Obama in making the apologies by demanding he holds to his campaign rhetoric until he does admit he was wrong.


16 posted on 05/02/2009 5:26:51 AM PDT by khenrich (If the Iraq war was so wrong, why is the Afghanistan war so right??)
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To: reaganaut1

Barry Soetoro is incapable of feeling shame as that is a trait of good people. Even good animals show shame over bad behavior. Zero can not because of his narsassitic complexes.
This reversal shows how Traitorous Zero has been in parroting Anti-American Diatribes without any concern for America’s Security and Wellbeing! William Ayers might as well be slinging the Teleprompter Diatribes and most probably is one of the primary writers of those scripts.


17 posted on 05/02/2009 5:49:45 AM PDT by True Republican Patriot (GOD BLESS AMERICA and Our Last Great President George W. Bush)
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To: reaganaut1

bambi is a total axe


18 posted on 05/02/2009 5:52:53 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heros have always been cowboys--Reagan and Bush)
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To: BobL
"Whether it’s right or wrong, the Republicans should BLAST HIM for this move.."

I think they sound praise Obama. It will drive the moonbats nuts that the Republicans are embracing Obama who is embracing one of Bush's policies. Especially relating to Gitmo.

19 posted on 05/02/2009 5:56:56 AM PDT by avacado
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To: BobL

It will be fun to kick them around, maybe slide over to kos and start to call zer0 a war criminal - no different than the devil him self. Post how zer0 has stabbed everyone in the back...I ll go there now


20 posted on 05/02/2009 5:57:20 AM PDT by reefdiver (Freedom - From Govt. - Educators - CNN)
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To: reaganaut1
He realizes that if another attack takes place on US soil, blaming Bush won't work.
21 posted on 05/02/2009 6:07:21 AM PDT by BallyBill (Serial Hit-N-Run poster)
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To: reaganaut1
That's too bad. I was hoping that the enemy-combatants would be brought to Alexandria Va detention center. I wanted the people who voted for 0bama to suffer the consequences of their votes.
22 posted on 05/02/2009 6:10:41 AM PDT by Perdogg (University of North Carolina - 2009 NCAA basketball champs)
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To: reaganaut1

Even Obama cannot get away with letting terrorists free carte blanche.


23 posted on 05/02/2009 6:13:13 AM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: reaganaut1

The Administration is a collection of loud-mouthed poseurs.


24 posted on 05/02/2009 6:18:03 AM PDT by popdonnelly (The greatest crimes in history have been perpetrated by governments. You've been warned.)
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To: reaganaut1
When is he going to pull the troops out of Iraq? I thought he was the peace candidate.
25 posted on 05/02/2009 6:20:14 AM PDT by MichiganConservative ($2 trillion in secret loans since late 2008. Audit the federal reserve. Support HR 1207.)
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To: reaganaut1

He’ll end up keeping Gitmo open too because no on in congress wants these thugs in their districts.


26 posted on 05/02/2009 6:23:11 AM PDT by b4its2late (Ignorance allows liberalism to prosper.)
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To: lacrew

It’s not that the kooks are stupid, because some are very bright, just possessed. It’s that the media will bury their protests in the same way that Cindy Sheehan became a non-person when she started attacking Nancy Pelosi. Leftist critics of Don Obama will become invisible.


27 posted on 05/02/2009 7:03:30 AM PDT by maica (Politics is not about facts. it is about what politicians can get people to believe. - Thomas Sowell)
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To: reaganaut1
.. he has no shame.

..he has NO Honor.

28 posted on 05/02/2009 7:15:33 AM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country! What else needs said?)
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To: reaganaut1

This President is just making it up as he goes along. O really is above his pay grade.


29 posted on 05/02/2009 7:19:24 AM PDT by redreno (Americans don't go Gault. Americans go Postal.)
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To: MichiganConservative
When is he going to pull the troops out of Iraq? I thought he was the peace candidate.

Oregon NG is deploying 2,600 troops to Iraq next week. Largest deployment of ONG since WWII. Also, U.S. deaths in Iraq in April was highest since September. Where are the anti-war types now? If President Bush were still in the WH, their outrage would be spilling into the streets.

30 posted on 05/02/2009 7:28:25 AM PDT by Inspectorette
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To: redreno; reaganaut1
O really is above his pay grade.

The perfect Example of "The Peter Principle." Promoted to a Level of Incompetence.

31 posted on 05/02/2009 7:42:36 AM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country! What else needs said?)
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To: reaganaut1
after administration lawyers examined many of the cases, the mood shifted toward using military commissions to prosecute


32 posted on 05/02/2009 7:57:01 AM PDT by LurkedLongEnough
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To: reaganaut1

They waited until a Saturday to make this announcement in the MSM.


33 posted on 05/02/2009 7:59:40 AM PDT by LurkedLongEnough
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To: reaganaut1

More change the peoples can believe in.

Four more years of these political games. Why can we not get
an honest and wise person running for president?

As long as the acorn voters that are too stupid to make an informed decision
on whom to vote for, we will continue to see America sink deeper
into its demise.


34 posted on 05/02/2009 8:03:45 AM PDT by soycd
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To: Real Cynic No More
All his campaign criticisms, that served to get him elected, were made out of ignorance.

Yes, but not his ignorance. It was the gross ignorance of the Great Unwashed who exercised absolutely no critical thinking in accepting the "pie-in-the-sky" promises of The One.

Obama was and is very smart, and that's what makes him so dangerous.

It's the majority of American voters who are dumb.

35 posted on 05/02/2009 8:06:00 AM PDT by MindBender26 (The Hellfire Missile is one of the wonderful ways God shows us he loves American Soldiers & Marines)
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To: reaganaut1

This is like watching Homer Simpson run the United States.


36 posted on 05/02/2009 8:07:01 AM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (What did Obama's Teleprompter know, and when did it know it...)
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To: redreno
O really is above his pay grade.

The man who never even had a paper route now wants to manage the U.S. auto industry, our health-care system and any other businesses he can get his hands on.

37 posted on 05/02/2009 8:08:29 AM PDT by MindBender26 (The Hellfire Missile is one of the wonderful ways God shows us he loves American Soldiers & Marines)
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To: reaganaut1
"the troubled system became an emblem of the effort to use Guantánamo to avoid the American legal system"

Obama's version will be stellar - Bush's was "troubled". Therefore the Dems will see this as completely different...

38 posted on 05/02/2009 8:26:24 AM PDT by PoolQue
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To: reaganaut1

The logic is based on political calculations. You should be prepared for that for the next 4 years. The cost in human lives is yet to be determined.


39 posted on 05/02/2009 8:40:26 AM PDT by ChinaThreat (3)
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To: reaganaut1

Making the right decision? He hasn’t made a decision. He’s “moving toward” making the right decision. How long will we continue to believe zer0 when he says he wants to do something conservative or is “looking at” doing something that makes sense? We invariably find out later, when he pulls some massively outrageous unconstitutional boneheaded stunt, that he lied or so manipulated his statements as to make people believe the opposite of what he meant. He lied about 2A, he lied about life, he lied about nationalization of industry, he lied about AF-1, he lied about censorship, he lied about his stinkin’ dog, FGoshS!

He keeps saying “I’m not going to” (take your rights, radio, internet, freedom, etc., etc.) away, but he doesn’t mention that he has millions of evil minions, hundreds in very high gubmint places, who will do it for him with his tacit approval.

Anytime he says anything that placates you or for which you get the urge to give him credit, you can be absolutely positive, as night follows day, that he is lying. Wake up.


40 posted on 05/02/2009 8:40:27 AM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: MindBender26

Mindbender, you are absolutely right on target. Its the population stupid. We are being overrun by people from 3rd world countries. It only makes sense we end up with a 3rd world leader. Please refer to Rome and the Visigoths.


41 posted on 05/02/2009 8:42:17 AM PDT by ChinaThreat (3)
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To: Venturer

Pride goeth before the fall. His arrogance is unbounded
********
He won’t be running in 2012.

HRC will be the Dem nominee. imho


42 posted on 05/02/2009 8:48:45 AM PDT by Finalapproach29er (A woman will be the next President; I hope it's Palin instead of HRC.)
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To: reaganaut1
Obama Clueless
43 posted on 05/02/2009 8:50:10 AM PDT by Cheerio (Barack Hussein 0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: BobL

The only thing you get down in the gutter with the animals is their dirt on you.


44 posted on 05/02/2009 9:04:29 AM PDT by Maryhere (Maryhere ("HE comes to rule the earth"))
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To: reaganaut1

0bama: “I’m not a president, but I play one on TV”


45 posted on 05/02/2009 9:23:51 AM PDT by Bush_Democrat (Ex-Dem since 2001 *Folding@Home for the Gipper - Join the FReeper Folders*)
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; george76; ...
Officials who work on the Guantanamo issue say administration lawyers have become concerned that they would face significant obstacles to trying some terrorism suspects in federal courts. Judges might make it difficult to prosecute detainees who were subjected to brutal treatment or for prosecutors to use hearsay evidence gathered by intelligence agencies... When President Obama suspended Guantanamo cases after his inauguration on Jan. 20, many participants said the military commission system appeared dead. But in recent days a variety of officials involved in the deliberations say that after administration lawyers examined many of the cases, the mood shifted toward using military commissions to prosecute some detainees, perhaps including those charged with coordinating the Sept. 11 attacks... "The more they look at it," said one official, "the more commissions don't look as bad as they did on Jan. 20."
No problem. #1, it's Obama doing it, and his feces don't stink; #2, these military commissions will be given a new name, which will *completely alter* their status.
46 posted on 05/02/2009 9:25:37 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: reaganaut1

Obama can’t figure out how to do it, the only path forward appears to be the one that Bush laid down for him.

So,,, the follows it because he has no choice unless he just lets everyone go.

This is priceless, are we running out of room under the bus yet?


47 posted on 05/02/2009 9:47:13 AM PDT by dila813
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To: dila813

Interestingly, because we see it writ large in the sycophantic O-media, the affrimative action hero can take any stance and lie about it without fear that his followers will catch on because they will beleieve whatever his media propaganda experts release ... stupid is as stupid does.


48 posted on 05/02/2009 9:49:32 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: reaganaut1
The thing is, none of these “combatants” caught in a foreign country broke a US law.

I can't see how you can bring them here and try them in our civilian courts for breaking our laws. They didn't break our laws, nor the laws of New York, etc. if they've never set foot here.

49 posted on 05/02/2009 9:51:17 AM PDT by ConservativeMind (When you're RuPaul posing as the wife of the president, you need all the make-up help you can get.)
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To: reaganaut1

“.....outlining an administration plan to amend the Bush administration’s system to provide more legal protections for terrorism suspects.”

Fascinating trying to get your head around that statement.


50 posted on 05/02/2009 9:55:23 AM PDT by headstamp 2 (Spay or Neuter your liberal today!)
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