Posted on 05/02/2009 7:07:47 AM PDT by EternalVigilance
The Republicans are still out looking for their spines. No guts; no glory!
Stop with the blaming Bush mantra.
What do you think Bush was? Nothing but a CINO IMO. (CINO = Not a squishy RINO, but someone even worse, flying the colors of a conservative to fool the base.)
How is it "the fault of the people who elected the rinos?" Would you prefer they vote for the real deal, the Democrat?
But, the republicans have gone HERE.
Exactly. From the moment McCain lost the primaries to GW, he made GW tippy toe around his campaign ideas not to get McCain upset. Then when Bush became President, McCain let it be dangled that he might switch parties so GW had to kiss his rear end to try to save the tie in the Senate.
The MAVERICK only cares about himself and nobody else.
Unfortunately, until all of us have reached equality with every 3rd world resident, the Republicans will still have the crumbs thrown to them by the Democrats as they all steal our standard of living.
>> It is the fault of the people who elected the rinos.
>> Stop with the blaming Bush mantra.
It was the constituency that tried to buffer Bush’s weaknesses. The Republican Congress failed to provide vital support and correction when it was necessary. The RINOs are largely responsible for destroying the GOP.
Recovery from the Bushes and the McCains will take a long time if ever.
The negative fallout from their spineless policy decisions keep piling up day after day...
Twittering.
This is a LINEAR argument.
Jim Ryan did not break the 4 minute mile before he learned, first, to crawl, then to walk, then to run, then to run FAST!
You do not go from crawling to breaking world records.
You must prove that you can get someone elected, FIRST, before YOU have an ounce of credibility.
Conservative Republicans are IN the arena.
They WON their elections.
We just do not have enough of them, just yet.
Third Party strategies are stupid and suicidal.
False presumption. There is only ONE party now, with two names.
Then why is the Republican Party so intent on becoming one?
I always used to kid my lefty friends with:
“I don’t know what you’re whining about, Bush is the best Democrat the Republicans ever elected.”
...Bush was a good man, but he was never a conservative.
Bush WAS a borderline RINO, maybe he still is. I voted for him only because there was no better choice at the time.
“Where are the republicans? Why they are under their desks, as usual. Selling out the US and the American public, lest the NY Times reveal which congressional page they were fondling yesterday afternoon, or which female was seen with then at dinnerone who doesnt even slightly resemble that upstanding politicians wifeor which grandsons company benefitted from the last 35 million dollar earmark...well, you get the picture.”
The Republicans, and this country, is what we decide it will be. It’s way past time to clean house, and like 1994 and 1980, it can be done. Wendell Phillips said, “Eternal vigilence is the price of liberty.” The condition this nation is in, the condition the Republican party is in, is due to our own lack of vigilence. We must correct this in ourselves now and then spread that vigilence far and wide across the land.
But the question remains, how do we best do this? I say we conduct a full frontal assault with units attacking from outside and inside the party. I say we need to support independent and 3rd party conservatives at a state level - because *there* we can take ground that way. But, for the near to middle term future, we also need to remake the national Republican party using the Conservative wing of the party to do so. Whatever the national Republican party will end up being (Conservative Republicans or what have you), and even if such an assault splits that party in two (fine if one half are RINOs and pretenders), that is where we need to start. By supporting conservatives everywhere, in every way, we’ll put much more pressure on all things political nationally.
By completely ignoring the Conservative political wing of the Republican party - we will consign ourselves to the 3rd party junk heap in history - especially if you acknowledge the historical and political realities of the US. In the history of the United States, not a single third party has come close to winning the presidency, only 7 3rd parties have even won a single states electoral votes and only 5 third parties have won even 10% of the vote. These are facts.
The Republicans, and this country, is what we decide it will be.
If that was a veiled suggestion the President Bush was either a social or fiscal conservative, then the JaneNC account is on the wrong forum.
The moral relativism of "more conservative than" is what drove the Republican Party and this nation into our frightening experimentation with socialism.
Another huge piece of the 3rd party puzzle in the US is the non-parliamentary system here, which means that winner takes all nature of our elections relegates 3rd parties to have almost ZERO political power. If you have no political power, you cannot change the laws, the political rules, and you cannot grow past agitation. Running 3rd party candidates and independent Conservatives at a state level, will put pressure on the Republican party to move toward Conservatives - and eventually allow the Conservative movement to form coalitions with Conservative Republican wing - vs. the Republican moderates co-opting our movement for their purposes.
We disrgard the nature of our winner takes all system - at our peril.
“The moral relativism of “more conservative than” is what drove the Republican Party and this nation into our frightening experimentation with socialism. “
The ‘electable’ Bush failed to maintain his alliance with us, even failed miserably at times (although with some notable successes). With that lesson in the front of our minds, we need to quit recriminations, and move forward with a strategy to return/move this nation to her historic Conservative/Constitutional principles.
“Bush WAS a borderline RINO, maybe he still is. I voted for him only because there was no better choice at the time.”
This is what we need to change. We need to fight for conservatism across the line, and bring forward electable conservatives, and get them elected. We need to grow organically (by teaching our kids the Constitution and Conservative/American/Freedom values) and externally (by converting people to our cause).
I don’t expect it in my lifetime, too many people will go along to get along.
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