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FReeper Book Club: Atlas Shrugged, Miracle Metal
A Publius Essay | 2 May 2009 | Publius

Posted on 05/02/2009 7:46:31 AM PDT by Publius

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To: Still Thinking
When you post, right below the window where you type, is another that says “Tagline”. Fill it in. Next time you post it will be prefilled with the last tagline you used, and will stay that way till you type something else.

Thanks! I never scrolled down far enough to see that option.

Kirk

51 posted on 05/03/2009 9:28:10 AM PDT by woodnboats (Help stimulate the economy: Buy guns NOW, while you still can!)
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To: Taxman
I recall reading somewhere that Hitlery read AS.

People tend to forget that Hillary was a Goldwater Girl in high school and probably read Atlas Shrugged at the same time I did.

All that libertarian and conservative stuff was beaten out of her at Wellesley.

52 posted on 05/03/2009 11:03:03 AM PDT by Publius (Sex is the manifestation of God's wicked sense of humor.)
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To: mick

Well, she’s married to him whereas he’s married to her. Pretty much the same situation prevails with me and Mrs. Thinking. ;-)


53 posted on 05/03/2009 12:06:58 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: woodnboats

No sweat, bud. Finding a good tagline is half the fun of Freeping!


54 posted on 05/03/2009 12:46:08 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: Publius
People tend to forget that Hillary was a Goldwater Girl in high school and probably read Atlas Shrugged at the same time I did. All that libertarian and conservative stuff was beaten out of her at Wellesley.

Then she never truly believed it in the first place. A Freeper could be subjected to Marxist brainwashing 24/7 and within a week of their release, logic would lead them back to the truth.

55 posted on 05/03/2009 12:48:13 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: Still Thinking
Then she never truly believed it in the first place. A Freeper could be subjected to Marxist brainwashing 24/7 and within a week of their release, logic would lead them back to the truth.

That's the key. Going to Wellesley makes you a member of the anointed, so logic is unnecessary; your feelings and intuition are sufficient. Remember, she's the smartest woman in the world.

Kirk

56 posted on 05/03/2009 1:34:56 PM PDT by woodnboats (Help stimulate the economy: Buy guns NOW, while you still can!)
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To: Publius

I am inclined to agree. I once thought it might be Maharushie, but he is more of a Tory than a Conservative. In other words, I believe he works mostly to promote himself and preserve the assets he has accrued as a brilliant entertainer. It is clear from his incessant ramblings about his wealth and the inveterate name dropping so typical of an insecure person who has never grown past the indignities he suffered as a fat dork in his youth.

Beck comes the closest to expressing my outrage, but I would also urge Freepers to seek out a couple of other even more articulate voices, coincidentally both women. Listen to Tara Servacius on WBT and Monica Crowley who is syndicated. And as has been noted frequently on FR, the most courageous advocates against leftist fascism have been ladies like Saracuda and Michele Bachmann. No they are not perfect, no one is or has been for a couple thoudand years, but they are galvanizing. Until we purge the nations “leadership” of collectivists and castrati, we are indeed looking at Atlas shrugging.

I continue to reflect on my observation that both AS and the Minor Prophets of the Old Testament read like tomorrow’s headlines, and I predict the outcome of our own time will be the same as those two accounts. To paraphrase the beloved CS Lewis, we ridicule liberty and virtue, then wonder why we have tyranny and corruption in our midst.

Thank you again brother Publius for your righteous work in provoking us to think more wisely.


57 posted on 05/03/2009 4:57:47 PM PDT by crusher (Political Correctness: Stalinism Without the Charm)
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To: Billthedrill

“For a brute he isn’t doing badly, is he? They’re playing under two sets of rules. For Kinnan words have meaning and for the others, they don’t. But the latter is only an intellectual fantasy, and it comes at a price. Where words have no meaning, evil becomes very difficult to recognize as it sits down to dine.”

One of my favorite observers of history is George Orwell. He once expressed the sentiment that whoever owned the language owned debate. Many conservatives have cowered before the accurate use of language and gutlessly bow down before the god of obfuscation. I’m not advocating vulgarities or obscenities, but to me the false use of language is even more offensive.

Kinnan is also one of my favorite characters in the book. He is a thug but makes no moralistic pretense that he is anything otherwise. In my circle of acquaintances is an astonishing number of people who advocate Stalinism but couch it in the most unctuous moralistic drivel you have ever heard. They truly believe that collectivism is the most “moral” dynamic.


58 posted on 05/03/2009 5:17:34 PM PDT by crusher (Political Correctness: Stalinism Without the Charm)
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To: crusher
Your paraphrase of CS Lewis quote brought to mind this quote from Hilaire Belloc. Written in the early part of the 20th century it throws some light on the mind set of certain characters in AS, as well as a glimpse behind the mask of certain characters in real life America today:

"The Barbarian hopes — and that is the mark of him, that he can have his cake and eat it too. He will consume what civilization has slowly produced after generations of selection and effort, but he will not be at pains to replace such goods, nor indeed has he a comprehension of the virtue that has brought them into being. Discipline seems to him irrational, on which account he is ever marvelling that civilization, should have offended him with priests and soldiers .... In a word, the Barbarian is discoverable everywhere in this, that he cannot make: that he can befog and destroy but that he cannot sustain; and of every Barbarian in the decline or peril of every civilization exactly that has been true."

"We sit by and watch the Barbarian, we tolerate him; in the long stretches of peace we are not afraid. We are tickled by his irreverence, his comic inversion of our old certitudes and our fixed creeds refreshes us; we laugh. But as we laugh we are watched by large and awful faces from beyond: and on these faces there is no smile."

59 posted on 05/03/2009 5:22:30 PM PDT by mick (Central Banker Capitalism is NOT Free Enterprise)
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To: Publius

I’m well aware of that factoid.

I still think that they are using AS as a blueprint.

Perhaps we should, too?


60 posted on 05/03/2009 5:31:06 PM PDT by Taxman (So that the beautiful pressure does not diminish!)
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To: woodnboats
Remember, she's the smartest woman in the world.

And she'll tell you that at the drop of a hat!

61 posted on 05/03/2009 6:23:38 PM PDT by Publius (Sex is the manifestation of God's wicked sense of humor.)
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To: crusher
In other words, I believe he works mostly to promote himself and preserve the assets he has accrued as a brilliant entertainer. It is clear from his incessant ramblings about his wealth and the inveterate name dropping so typical of an insecure person who has never grown past the indignities he suffered as a fat dork in his youth.

Well put. Limbaugh is God to a great many people at FR, but I've always disagreed. I'll listen to him in the car if I'm running errands during his show, although half the time I'm yelling at the radio because he's wrong. If I'm home during his show, I make no attempt to listen. He's the past, not the future.

62 posted on 05/03/2009 6:30:20 PM PDT by Publius (Sex is the manifestation of God's wicked sense of humor.)
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To: crusher
...that whoever owned the language owned debate...

I wonder if the 'assault weapons' ban would have passed if we had used the correct term 'defense weapon' instead.
Impenitent use of this term may have shifted the perception of the public and caused the AWB advocates to try to explain their reason for using the term assault.

Unfortunately we will probably get to test my theory before too long.

63 posted on 05/03/2009 7:02:30 PM PDT by whodathunkit (Shrugging as I leave for the Gulch)
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To: Publius; Monitor
Think of Obama's proposed Brown Shirt youth force in line with having the Unification Board assign you a job at age 21. It becomes clearer that way.

That's the thought that came to my mind, too, when I read your discussion question: Obama's "community service" plans for students from middle school through college and senior citizens.

64 posted on 05/03/2009 10:38:46 PM PDT by Tired of Taxes (Dad, I will always think of you.)
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To: Publius

Please add me to the list Publius. I’m going to try to catch-up with both the story and the threads. I’m about seven chapters behind now, but, I think it’s a worthwhile endeavor. It looks like you could use some new blood.


65 posted on 06/03/2009 3:27:56 AM PDT by Drumbo ("Democracy can withstand anything but democrats." - Jubal Harshaw (Robert A. Heinlein))
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To: r-q-tek86
With the way things are going in DC, I wonder if there is an Atlas Shrugged bookclub on the liberal side... except they are using it as a “how to”.

Ain't that the truth.

66 posted on 06/07/2009 5:07:02 PM PDT by fanfan (Why did they bury Barry's past?)
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To: r-q-tek86
Part II, Chapter VII: The Moratorium on Brains
67 posted on 08/14/2009 6:05:21 PM PDT by r-q-tek86 ("A building has integrity just like a man. And just as seldom." - Ayn Rand)
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