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Uniformed Iraqi kills US soldiers
BBC ^ | 2 May 2009 | BBC

Posted on 05/02/2009 2:18:21 PM PDT by SolidWood

A man wearing an Iraqi army uniform has shot dead two US soldiers and injured three others in a military base south of the northern city of Mosul.

The US army said the man was also killed in the incident but gave little information about the attack.

But Iraqi military reports said he was a soldier also working as an Imam for at a mosque on the base.

No motive was given for the attack but Mosul is seen as the last remaining urban stronghold of al-Qaeda in Iraq.

The US army said it had received reports of "small arms fire" in Hamam al-Alil, 20 km (13 miles) south of Mosul.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.bbc.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: army; fallen; imam; iraq; iraqiarmy; military; mosque; mosul; soldiers

1 posted on 05/02/2009 2:18:21 PM PDT by SolidWood
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To: SolidWood

Harry Reid is smirking right now thinking......the war, is lost


2 posted on 05/02/2009 2:19:59 PM PDT by shadeaud ("If you can't beat them, arrange to have them beaten." -- George Carlin st)
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To: SolidWood

OBAMA’S FAULT!!!

This man in a god-suit is going to get a lot more people killed before all is said and done!! :*(

Prayers for the soldiers’ family and friends!


3 posted on 05/02/2009 2:20:08 PM PDT by pillut48 (CJ in TX --"God help us all, and God help America!!" --my new mantra for the next 4 years)
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To: SolidWood
he was a soldier also working as an Imam for at a mosque on the base

He was a IMAM at a MOSQUE.

4 posted on 05/02/2009 2:20:41 PM PDT by SolidWood (Palin: "We do not want to becomes slaves of Washington.")
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To: SolidWood

a mosque on the base


5 posted on 05/02/2009 2:22:49 PM PDT by VlPu
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To: SolidWood
He was a IMAM at a MOSQUE. HATE SPEECH!!! Countdown to Janet Napoleontano re-labeling of "IMAM" and "MOSQUE" to "religious profferer" and "religious gathering place for innocent ROP followers" in 5...4...3...2...1...
6 posted on 05/02/2009 2:25:12 PM PDT by pillut48 (CJ in TX --"God help us all, and God help America!!" --my new mantra for the next 4 years)
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To: SolidWood

No further explanation is necessary.


7 posted on 05/02/2009 2:25:17 PM PDT by rbg81 (DRAIN THE SWAMP!!)
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To: SolidWood

Frog, meet scorpion.


8 posted on 05/02/2009 2:27:59 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (What did Obama's Teleprompter know, and when did it know it...)
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To: SolidWood

Prayers up for the families of these fallen heroes, and for the three who were injured.


9 posted on 05/02/2009 2:28:30 PM PDT by MozartLover (Proud mom of a deployed Wisconsin National Guardsman.)
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To: SolidWood

Why on earth does anyone honestly think, after studying and understanding the evil that Islam is and has been for 1,400 years that they will become enlightened and seek freedom and democracy when their very religion doesn’t even allow it. My greatest sadness is that we’ve lost over 4,000 red-blooded, beautiful American soldiers to save a people who in all probability hate them now and forever. What a tragic, sad and sorrowful waste. My prayers go out to those families and their loss and the eventual return of the balance of American soldiers. We’ll need them here when all hell breaks loose and the imports of mohammedism and our south of the border invaders start acting up. It’s only a matter of time. The greatest tragedy is that our elected officials want to destroy America and the American people have yet to stand up, organized, to fight back. When, I ask, when?


10 posted on 05/02/2009 2:34:12 PM PDT by john drake (Roman military maxim; "oderint dum metuant," i.e., "let them hate, as long as they fear.")
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To: john drake

I never thought I would ever say these words. BRING THE TROOPS HOME


11 posted on 05/02/2009 2:38:56 PM PDT by easternsky
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To: john drake

Some can’t “stand up” until they “wake up”.

Others won’t stand up because they feel alone, isolated, and afraid.

Both groups are being victimized by lying spiritual forces that specialize in deception & fear.


12 posted on 05/02/2009 2:54:34 PM PDT by HotLead61 (Death as a Free Man is much preferred to "life" as a slave)
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To: john drake
that they will become enlightened and seek freedom and democracy

Hello Mr. Anti-war protester from 2006. It's now 2009. Your side lost. Iraqis joined with the coalition forces against your side (al-qaeda). Iraq is now a democratic ally of the U.S. Don't worry though. I know of a place where you can join like minded people. It's called the democratic underground. There you can chat with others who pretend that the U.S. lost and that Iraq is a failure. It will be great fun for you.

13 posted on 05/02/2009 4:00:13 PM PDT by death2tyrants
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To: easternsky
BRING THE TROOPS HOME

That's good so far, and in all caps even. Now you need to declare that our operations in Iraq are a lost cause. Here's a picture for inspiration:

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14 posted on 05/02/2009 4:09:28 PM PDT by death2tyrants
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To: Aaron0617
I never thought I would ever say these words. BRING THE TROOPS HOME

Are you surprised? I think this is the 7-8 time, unfortunately, this has happened. And wont be the last

As we continue to train Iraqi soldiers, there will be one (or two) that will pull a gun on our soldiers when their backs are turned.

I still believe those four snipers killed on that roof top were also setup by an inside Iraqi Defense soldier

15 posted on 05/02/2009 4:15:15 PM PDT by Aaron0617
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To: SolidWood

No deaths - no reports..., nothing to be gained by talking about it

Two deaths - in depth reports..., we must take this crime wave serious for it’s dire impliations

In a nation with any morals at all, the media would be brought up on charges of sedition.


16 posted on 05/02/2009 4:21:14 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Pres__ent Obama's own grandmother says he was born in Kenya. She was there.)
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To: SolidWood

Thanks to this stupid so-called president, every one of our troops has a bullseye on his back, including my son.
I hate this man.


17 posted on 05/02/2009 4:25:33 PM PDT by jackv (Just shakin' my head!!)
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To: jackv

We must continue to Pray for their safety. Yes the man in the White House has changed the whole scope of the War. I know they are aware of that also. God grant us Wisdom in the coming months.


18 posted on 05/02/2009 4:34:23 PM PDT by easternsky
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To: death2tyrants
Cultures and people don't change much especially in the Middle East if you'd read history you'd understand that. More importantly, the only way the U.S. defeated Japan and Germany and changed their cultures was to crush them totally, occupy them as a semi-police state for at least 10 years and gradually allow for full democratic processes to begin. We are still in those countries and provide them military protection, almost 70 years after the war. As for calling me Mr. anti-war protestor, you're barking up the wrong tree, mr. jump-to-conclusions. I have personally attended the funeral of a long-time friends' loss of his son, a Marine First Lieutenant, who was called in action in Anbar province in September, 2004. He is buried in Arlington National Cemetery where upon visits to Washington D.C. on business I visit and pay my respects. My family has been in the American military since WWI, and our family tree shows members arriving in 1860 and probably served in the Civil War as well. I also personally know Iraqis living in the U.S. since 1973; they have mixed thoughts as to whether the freedom won by U.S. military forces will survive in the event there is a pullout. They definitely think a democratic system similar to those in the West won't survive because of rival faction hatred continually fueled by outside monies and agitation. They suspect it will turn back to a dictatorship by which ever tribe exhibits the greatest strength will govern. As for the democratic underground, my family has been Republican since FDR became president. I never said the U.S. lost; but they haven't really won yet either; only time will tell. The loss of American lives under any circumstances is not great fun. Next time, choose your words carefully and think before you write.
19 posted on 05/02/2009 5:27:11 PM PDT by john drake (Roman military maxim; "oderint dum metuant," i.e., "let them hate, as long as they fear.")
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To: SolidWood
No motive was given for the attack

He is a Muslim. Do we REALLY need to look further for a motive?

20 posted on 05/02/2009 5:41:18 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Socialism is the belief that most people are better off if everyone was equally poor and miserable.)
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To: john drake
Cultures and people don't change much especially in the Middle East if you'd read history you'd understand that.

If I read history? Typical condescension I expect from the anti-war crowd.

I have personally attended the funeral...

You have no credibility with me. Your claims of personal stories as a substitute to valid counter arguments have no meaning to me.

I never said the U.S. lost

I must have confused you with the defeatist who claimed that our efforts in Iraq are a 'tragic, sad and sorrowful waste'. It must have just been some guy who happens to have an identical screen name as yourself. And speaking of studying history, here are some words you may want to ponder:

"Some skeptics of democracy assert that the traditions of Islam are inhospitable to the representative government. This "cultural condescension," as Ronald Reagan termed it, has a long history. After the Japanese surrender in 1945, a so-called Japan expert asserted that democracy in that former empire would "never work." Another observer declared the prospects for democracy in post-Hitler Germany are, and I quote, "most uncertain at best" -- he made that claim in 1957. Seventy-four years ago, The Sunday London Times declared nine-tenths of the population of India to be "illiterates not caring a fig for politics." Yet when Indian democracy was imperiled in the 1970s, the Indian people showed their commitment to liberty in a national referendum that saved their form of government. Time after time, observers have questioned whether this country, or that people, or this group, are "ready" for democracy -- as if freedom were a prize you win for meeting our own Western standards of progress. In fact, the daily work of democracy itself is the path of progress. It teaches cooperation, the free exchange of ideas, and the peaceful resolution of differences. As men and women are showing, from Bangladesh to Botswana, to Mongolia, it is the practice of democracy that makes a nation ready for democracy, and every nation can start on this path." - George W. Bush 2003

"We must be staunch in our conviction that freedom is not the sole prerogative of a lucky few but the inalienable and universal right of all human beings. So states the United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights, which, among other things, guarantees free elections. The objective I propose is quite simple to state: to foster the infrastructure of democracy, the system of a free press, unions, political parties, universities, which allows a people to choose their own way to develop their own culture, to reconcile their own differences through peaceful means. This is not cultural imperialism; it is providing the means for genuine self-determination and protection for diversity. Democracy already flourishes in countries with very different cultures and historical experiences. It would be cultural condescension, or worse, to say that any people prefer dictatorship to democracy. Who would voluntarily choose not to have the right to vote, decide to purchase government propaganda handouts instead of independent newspapers, prefer government to worker-controlled unions, opt for land to be owned by the state instead of those who till it, want government repression of religious liberty, a single political party instead of a free choice, a rigid cultural orthodoxy instead of democratic tolerance and diversity." - Ronald Reagan 1982

21 posted on 05/02/2009 9:50:31 PM PDT by death2tyrants
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To: SolidWood

Rest In Peace, Brave Warriors
I am humbled by your service and sacrifice for our country.
May God comfort their families.


22 posted on 05/03/2009 3:20:34 AM PDT by MEG33 (God Bless Our Military)
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To: death2tyrants

The U.S. has prevailed in Iraq despite the treason of the Democrats. Now the Socialist Obama has announced that the U.S. will abandon Iraq. Why we think it’s important to keep troops in Germany, South Korea, Afghanistan, etc., but not in Iraq is puzzling. Could it be that Obama wants it to unravel, so he can later claim that President Bush failed?

After we leave Iraq, the terrorists supported by Iran will reverse the progress we have made. The lives and blood of our soldiers killed and wounded will be immorally wasted, yet again. Obama will be the cause.


23 posted on 05/03/2009 4:25:16 AM PDT by pleikumud
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To: death2tyrants

I wasn’t attempting condescension; you avoided my indirect query as to whether you have studied islam and it’s practice. The Koran and it’s operating system, Sharia Law, are a combined theological, political, social and economic system that doesn’t recognize democracy as a legitimate form of government. The Koran’s words are, in islam’s belief, the literal word of God, and cannot change. Period. Any interpretation, or subsequent revelation, are false. The imams who control the religion are like marxist or nazi fanatics, if a break in this faulty logic occurs, the whole system crashes, and they lose total power, hence their actions. It is unlike any other religion currently in practice today, given it’s longevity. Throughout history, it has survived and prospered because of it’s adherence to strictness and its practice of violence and subjugation of believers and non-believers. The fact that muslims in europe are attempting to get Sharia law instituted as part of the legal operating system there proves my point. They will attempt to do the same here as everywhere else. They probe, continually probe, seeking weakness.

As for seeking credibility with you, not a concern, I’ll let time prove my case, whether I’m right or wrong, and if wrong, I will accept it. As for my personal stories, I was not attempting a substitute for counter argument; just providing background, like Buckley used to do regarding his guests on Firing Line.

As for calling me a defeatest, better to call me a skeptic. I have yet to be convinced long-term (anything more than 10 or 20 years) that this process will prove to be a success. I would accept defeat in my argument after the test period is past, not now. I suppose you could argue that I’ve jumped the gun and felt this attempt to establish democracy in the Middle East at the cost of American lives was a waste, and hence I’m a defeatest. If you collapse the time period, then perhaps that label would fit. But only time tells an outcome correctly. I was a boy during the Viet Nam war and thought for sure we would win; what happened? Plenty, but the worst part was the defeat of the South Vietnam’s government at the hands of our own democratically elected government who decided to shut off military aid shortly after we vacated the very country who’s democratically elected government we swore to support, at the cost of 58,000 American lives. I sense the same thing with this new administration.

George Bush’s analysis of history regarding WWII and it’s aftermath, which you correctly quoted, rings true. The free West was highly skeptical of establishing democracy in Germany and Japan during our occupation, which we accomplished after totally destroying the epicenter of their societies, replacing them with like minded peoples to encourage democratic freedoms. Iraq and Afghanistan, will not be so easily done, although I uneasily applauded the effort, at least early on. These countries belief systems are not of their own making, but eminate from Mecca. You can establish a western style system, but her enemies will wait and seek to destroy it. As for Ronald Reagan’s words, also great words to ponder, and probably the greatest U.S President in the 20th Century. Time will tell. By the way, I voted for Ronald Reagan, George H.W. Bush and George W. Bush and would do so again.

Lastly, just because you create a democratic form of government, doesn’t mean it will last. Look at Weimar Germany. Look at Viet Nam. It requires eternal vigilance on the part of the electorate and the people, neither of which can take their eyes off the system, or each other. Democracy takes a lot of effort to create and maintain, and a lot of people the world over are either ignorant (or kept that way), lazy (as long as they get 3 squares a day and place to lay their head, they don’t care) or don’t have, or can’t have, a stake in it to pursue those freedoms. They simply subsist and survive. And to put your life at risk to change that system, most human beings aren’t willing to do so. That takes an extraordinary type of people, and I don’t think they exist in the Middle East.


24 posted on 05/03/2009 4:49:48 AM PDT by john drake (Roman military maxim; "oderint dum metuant," i.e., "let them hate, as long as they fear.")
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To: pleikumud

“The lives and blood of our soldiers killed and wounded will be immorally wasted, yet again. Obama will be the cause.”

And the MSM will aggressively — and successfully — pin it all on Bush.


25 posted on 05/03/2009 6:00:48 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Impeach President Soros!!!)
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To: SolidWood

I’ve come to believe we’d been better off simply taking out Saddam, but keeping the Baathists in power. Wiping out the political and military infrastructure was a major error.


26 posted on 05/03/2009 6:04:28 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Impeach President Soros!!!)
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To: death2tyrants

his page reads “I am not a troll”; clearly there have been these “issues” before


27 posted on 05/03/2009 11:07:43 AM PDT by chuck_the_tv_out (click my name)
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To: john drake

This entire Iraqi operation was doomed when we allowed them to mandate in their little purple finger Iraqi Constitution that “NO LAW SHALL CONTRADICT ISLAM” and “ISLAM IS THE OFFICIAL RELIGION”.

We should have left after that.

We are still infidels in their eyes.


28 posted on 05/10/2009 10:06:49 AM PDT by TomasUSMC ( FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM)
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To: TomasUSMC

Agreed.


29 posted on 05/10/2009 10:27:02 AM PDT by john drake (Roman military maxim; "oderint dum metuant," i.e., "let them hate, as long as they fear.")
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To: john drake

Nice link to moslem wife beating vs the Koran

http://sheikyermami.com/2009/05/11/saudi-judge-how-to-beat-your-wife-correctly/#more-27540


30 posted on 05/11/2009 6:37:25 AM PDT by TomasUSMC ( FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM)
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