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Boeing counting on lift from 787 Dreamliner (End of June)
MSNBC ^ | May 3, 2009 | Karen West

Posted on 05/03/2009 1:16:26 PM PDT by decimon

After two years of costly and embarrassing delays, the first flight of Boeing's new 787 Dreamliner is on track for the end of June. When the 787 does lift off, Boeing officials hope it takes the company's stock with it.

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“They've still got credibility issues, and there's an awful lot of people with a wait-and-see attitude,” Aboulafia said, adding that key airline customers remain dubious about the 787s weight and performance on the first six airplanes under production.

“There are good reasons to be cautious about the 787,'' Aboulafia said. “The problem was they've been overly optimistic in their schedules.''

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 787; aerospace; aviation; boeing; dreamliner; manufacturing

1 posted on 05/03/2009 1:16:27 PM PDT by decimon
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To: Paleo Conservative

Waiting for Goboe ping.


2 posted on 05/03/2009 1:18:24 PM PDT by decimon
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To: decimon

Better not be too many bugs in this machine or Boeing may have a few problems.


3 posted on 05/03/2009 1:18:25 PM PDT by Joe Boucher (yEP,i)
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To: Joe Boucher
Better not be too many bugs in this machine or Boeing may have a few problems.

Ha! Next you'll be saying GM has problems.

4 posted on 05/03/2009 1:20:13 PM PDT by decimon
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To: decimon

Oh awesome!

Another plane with passenger seating designed around a 5’0” 110 lb woman.


5 posted on 05/03/2009 1:30:09 PM PDT by South Hawthorne (In Memory of my Dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: decimon
Boeing could also use that Air Force tanker project -— any chance Obama will let that happen?
6 posted on 05/03/2009 1:32:28 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: Kansas58

Well, it’s McCain that hates Boeing, and Washington State IS a union and Dem stronghold. . .and Boeing IS headquartered in Chicago. . . .


7 posted on 05/03/2009 1:38:32 PM PDT by Salgak (Acme Lasers presents: The Energizer Border: I dare you to try and cross it. . .)
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To: Kansas58
Boeing could also use that Air Force tanker project -— any chance Obama will let that happen?

I think others are not letting that happen. The last talk was of some splitting of the project but that was shot down.

8 posted on 05/03/2009 1:40:28 PM PDT by decimon
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To: decimon
That's quite the plane:
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9 posted on 05/03/2009 1:56:04 PM PDT by mkjessup (You're either with our Constitution, or you are with TKU ("The Kenyan Usurper"). CHOOSE!!!)
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To: decimon
I think others are not letting that happen.”

Juan McCain?
If I remember correctly, it was the same old “maverick” McCain who bone headedly got Boeing stripped of the original contract award, then turned round and employed Airbus lobbyists in his presidential campaign. Now his stupid daughter is out trying to screw Republicans too. Is the entire McCain family full of evil doers?

10 posted on 05/03/2009 1:57:52 PM PDT by SmokingJoe
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11 posted on 05/03/2009 1:58:46 PM PDT by cmsgop ( " C'mon, Stand Up Chuck")
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To: mkjessup
That's quite the plane:

I'd guess it will be but there could be some problems to resolve. We'll see.

12 posted on 05/03/2009 2:02:39 PM PDT by decimon
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To: Salgak
.and Boeing IS headquartered in Chicago. . .

Beware any manufacturing company that locates the HQ away from the plants.

It's a sign that they want disconnect from the messy realities of manufacturing, and want to focus only on the glamour of money and marketing. Any time I've seen a company do that, they get rapidly FUBAR.

Mind you, you might need to move the plant, too, thanks to greedy/corrupt state/local governments, or unruly labor. But you have to stay attuned every day to the ground floor of your operations.

13 posted on 05/03/2009 2:02:48 PM PDT by Yossarian (Everyday, somewhere on the globe, somebody is pushing the frontier of stupidity...)
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To: Owl_Eagle
Another plane with passenger seating designed around a 5’0” 110 lb woman.

I guess you're not counting on seats as pictured in post #11.

14 posted on 05/03/2009 2:03:57 PM PDT by decimon
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To: SmokingJoe
Boeing stripped of the original contract award

Boeing was the one who screwed the pooch on that one: Ex-Boeing CFO pleads guilty in tanker deal scandal

Mike Sears, Boeing CFO, admitted his guilt, and got a 4 month prison term for his role.

15 posted on 05/03/2009 2:08:27 PM PDT by Yossarian (Everyday, somewhere on the globe, somebody is pushing the frontier of stupidity...)
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To: decimon

That is the first class section. Cattle car seating is behind those.


16 posted on 05/03/2009 2:13:20 PM PDT by Anti-Kenyan
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To: Owl_Eagle
Another plane with passenger seating designed around a 5’0” 110 lb woman.

Boeing does not choose the size and spacing of the seats in it's aircraft, the airlines do. Boeing simply delivers what the airlines specify.

17 posted on 05/03/2009 2:18:58 PM PDT by 3niner (Hoover turned a recession into a depression, FDR turned it into The Great Depression)
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To: Anti-Kenyan
Cattle car seating is behind those.

Yeah, my seat. ;-)

18 posted on 05/03/2009 2:27:35 PM PDT by decimon
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To: decimon
Lego put this out as a set, I just bought one last month. ;-)


19 posted on 05/03/2009 2:33:10 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: Yossarian
"Beware any manufacturing company that locates the HQ away from the plants. "

Boeing has plants across the USA, not only in Seattle anymore. One reason for moving headquarters might have been to give the appearance (only) that they recognize the rest of the company (Meaning MacDac for the most part). They were also having issues with Washington state and local governments, unions, etc.

As to the tanker;
Given the Great OH's international dreams I think Airbus has an edge in DC. And, I think the bias against Boeing goes beyond McPain to include the Air Force in general. They are probably still smarting from being told they screwed up the earlier procurement(s) - so there might not be much of a stir if a new RFP is slanted toward the Euros.

20 posted on 05/03/2009 2:43:01 PM PDT by norton
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To: decimon

Not planning on shelling out $2,500 for a first class ticket.


21 posted on 05/03/2009 2:50:38 PM PDT by South Hawthorne (In Memory of my Dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: decimon

Who?
Or what?
GM?


22 posted on 05/03/2009 3:01:55 PM PDT by Joe Boucher (yEP,i)
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To: Salgak

One other thing, and that is the Airbus tanker will be built in Alabama. The question then becomes will 0bama screw red state Alabama, or will he try to help Artur Davis get elected governor.


23 posted on 05/03/2009 3:03:03 PM PDT by yawningotter
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To: Owl_Eagle

I saw three of the 787’s when I toured Boeing earlier this year.

The windows on the plane are huge, the workers were actually climbing out of the plane by stepping through the windows.


24 posted on 05/03/2009 3:04:14 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Willful ignorance is a dangerous attitude.)
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To: Balding_Eagle

Yes we are excited about it all. It is worse though than the 777 days. I just got off work at Boeing Field. I work in Flight Test. With the P8 Poseidon, the 747-8, and the new 787 all in flight test at the same time, we are the busiest part of the company right now. A great place to be.


25 posted on 05/03/2009 3:13:50 PM PDT by Chronic (Freedom isn't Free \m/ 0(-_-)0 \m/ Chronic--Never Gives UP!)
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To: Chronic

Damn, I’m green with envy.


26 posted on 05/03/2009 3:16:53 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Willful ignorance is a dangerous attitude.)
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To: Chronic

Just out of curiosity, are the the floor panels and seats still secured to rails with spring-loaded clips?


27 posted on 05/03/2009 3:18:13 PM PDT by decimon
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To: Joe Boucher

Sorry. GM stands for General Motors, a defunct car company. Believe it or not, General Motors was at one time the world’s largest car company.


28 posted on 05/03/2009 3:20:56 PM PDT by decimon
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To: norton
Boeing has plants across the USA, not only in Seattle anymore. One reason for moving headquarters might have been to give the appearance (only) that they recognize the rest of the company (Meaning MacDac for the most part). They were also having issues with Washington state and local governments, unions, etc.

I understand that, but then maybe they should have put the HQ in Wichita KS, or wherever the surviving McDonnell-Douglas plants were (CA? Well, that'd be a big problem there....)

Boeing made the decision on the 787 to subcontract out the manufacturing of the major aspects, and only get into assembly & integration. And this is one of the big areas causing problems in the program - many of the subcontractors haven't built planes, and they're not one cohesive organization with decades of experience to call on.

I think what happened here goes hand-in-hand with the move to Chicago. It's the usual elitist MBA thinking of "get it out of mind by getting it out of sight", and then like magic it's going to be another entity's job to mind those tough aspects of the job.

The reality is that minding the tough, ugly parts of the business is what got it to the top - so down it then sinks. It's OK though - management still makes out like bandits, thanks to idiot absentee shareholders!

29 posted on 05/03/2009 3:40:17 PM PDT by Yossarian (Everyday, somewhere on the globe, somebody is pushing the frontier of stupidity...)
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To: decimon

Kidding me right?
Joke?
G.M.????
Oh that model T thing?


30 posted on 05/03/2009 3:42:59 PM PDT by Joe Boucher (yEP,i)
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To: Joe Boucher
G.M.????
Oh that model T thing?

Yep. And the Airflow.

31 posted on 05/03/2009 3:47:04 PM PDT by decimon
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To: SmokingJoe

““I think others are not letting that happen.” Juan McCain?”

McCain may have something to do with it but the guy I have seen most on tv talking against Boeing is none other than Senator Shelby from Alabama. Lest we forget, Tip O’Neil’s famous quote “all politics are local” Airbus has a presence in Sweet Home Alabama....


32 posted on 05/03/2009 4:07:40 PM PDT by snoringbear (Government is the Pimp,)
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To: snoringbear
Airbus has a presence in Sweet Home Alabama....”

Aaaah!
The good old 5th column trick eh?

33 posted on 05/03/2009 6:16:44 PM PDT by SmokingJoe
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