Skip to comments.James Baker Backs Reinstating the Draft
Posted on 05/03/2009 8:02:08 PM PDT by truthandlife
Rep. Charlie Rangel, Congress's lone champion of reinstating the military draft, can count on another Korean War-era vet for support: Republican James Baker, a soldier in the Reagan and Bush administrations. Baker, secretary of state during the first Gulf War, visited a private girls' school in Virginia, where he was asked how to attract kids into some kind of service that gives them a stake in the country's future. "This is a very unpopular thing that I am about to say," he warned. "But one thing that makes it harder to go to war is to have a draft, because when you have a draft, then everybody's got a stake in it, and the costs of war are brought home much more vividly and vigorously to the American people. I think national service is a wonderful idea." But unlikely, he conceded: "You get killed if you support a draft, politically, but it sure would raise the stakes. Everybody would understand a lot better what we have at stake when we go to war."
I’d love to see the leftist faces when young women are drafted into service. They want equal everything...With all this political correctness, equal rights etc, in the U.S., they’ll get just that.
He’s still alive? Who knew?
I pray not. I have teenaged sons, and I sure don’t want them forced to serve under the current White House resident.
“But unlikely, he conceded: “You get killed if you support a draft, politically, but it sure would raise the stakes. Everybody would understand a lot better what we have at stake when we go to war.”
Haven’t you heard Jimmie, we don’t declare wars anymore. A draft is nothing but a guarantee of sub-par soldiers in this day and age. The other idiot Rangel whom also supports a draft only does so as a vehicle for organizing anti-war protests in the vain of a left-wing agenda. It has nothing to do with the so-called noble principle of a “national service”.
What a Dushbag. We have a all volunteer armed forces and they want to be there and they are proud to be there.
The draft would bring in a bunch of dushbags who did not want to be there just like in the 60's.
The one thing about the draft if your old enough to get drafted then your old enough to drink. So are they going to lower the drinking age to 18 or raise the draft age to 21?
They would not be required to serve in either the National Guard nor the Reserves. Only if there was a declared war, such as the two World Wars would they be called back to service.
I remember during the late 60s and 70s it was just accepted by most that if you or your family had money or connections you could stay out of "The Draft" if you or your daddy so desired. Seemed to be and was accepted as a fact of life.
The same way that if everyone pays taxes, then everyone has a stake in the country?
STFU Baker, you old fart.
Which is why Rangel supports it; what better way to make sure theres draft riots and other disruptions
Thats the last thing anyone wants , except for mischievous leftists and brain dead dinosaurs like Jim Baker.
Dushbags? Did not want to be there?
Are you referring to the 18,000 that were drafted and died fighting in Vietnam?
Bring it on. The young people who voted for Obama should find out what service is all about. I fear Obama will get us into a really bad war. Weak presidents do that.
We should have tried every traitor including the Weather Underground, Jerry Rubin, and Jane Fonda all of whom waged agit prop warfare and physical warfare against the United States during a time of war in positive pro-North Vietnamese Communist VICTORY.
That would’ve cut the wind out of the sails off the so called anti-war movement. if they were truly antiwar, they wouldn’t have celebrated every time a Viet Cong shot down a US pilot.
if it ain’t broke ......
I have no idea. I was referring to the 18,000, that were drafted that died fighting honorably in Vietnam.
If I'm not mistaken, going AWOL also occurs in the ranks of the enlisted, though not in as great of numbers.
“Another Bushie sticks his statist face into the media limelight.
STFU Baker, you old fart.”
Jim Baker could fight 100 “Nonstatists” simultaneously, chew each up and spit all of you out, you lightweight.
“But one thing that makes it harder to go to war is to have a draft, because when you have a draft, then everybody’s got a stake in it, and the costs of war are brought home much more vividly and vigorously to the American people.”
I’m sure a web search will turn up all sorts of quotes by the Founders showing their views on filling military ranks from the people at large as opposed to maintaing an equivilently sized standing army of professionals.
Thats exactly right! During the anti-war demonstrations in 2003 Rangel was interviewed for CSPAN and he said reinstating the draft will galvanize the general public against the war, as in the 60's. He doesn't care one whit about national service.
OK, everyone, take a deep breath before reacting. Then, think for a minute about our history and let’s gather some facts.
1) Think of a mutual defense pact between the citizens, the states and the Feds - that’s the militia that the Constitution creates.
2) The same Constitution also provides for an Army.
3) The founding generation passed the Militia Act of 1792, which required among other things, that ALL able-bodied white males ages 17-45 be enrolled in the militia.
4) Current Federal law (10 USC 311) is not substantially different in the legal definition of the militia as the Act of 1792, except that all males are included (aka the “unorganized militia”).
5) As originally legislated you had to own a suitable gun, ammo, train, etc. [nota bene] I’d be all for a return to that system.
6) That said, the militia cannot constitutionally be used for foreign adventures (Article 1 Section 8 of the Constitution defines the three missions of the Federal militia).
7) The Constitution allows the President to take command of the state’s militias with the approval of the Congress.
8) The draft into the Army, OTOH, is not found in the Constitution.
9) Given the quality of modern jurisprudence you’d NEVER find a Federal judge would have the balls to make a true ruling.
Wouldn’t it be great to get the kids to hate the Democrats by bringing back the draft? I mean we’d have to get the Reps to vote no to a man to make the point, but hey never let a crisis go to waste. What we’re doing to the younger generation with debt is bad enough. Once they figure out what Comandante Zero is doing to them, they’ll never vote for that %^&#@ again. Think Wedge Issue folks!
Let’s make it retroactive just to have the perverse thrill of seeing Obama in basic training olive drab, and eating at the mess hall at 6 30 AM, and lying in his bunk staring at a picture of Michelle.
And there were enlisted men who worked as counter agents in the Iraq War too. I give you Sgt. Akbar. A muslim man who threw a grenade into an officers’ tent killing 2 and wounding a dozen.
Standing armies were viewed as dangerous to the founders. The system they created was a citizen militia. This is NOT the system we have today, no matter how the Feds fudge the wording of current law.
The Constitution has some very specific things to say about “national service.” It says that the militia can be federalized by the Congress to perform it’s three Constitutionally defined missions. No more than that. It doesn’t say the militia can be turned into an Army. And the difference is substantial - militia’s fight with their own weapons, fight for a limited period of time and don’t leave the US.
I agree on this with Baker and Rangel. Reinstate the military draft.
Excellent point! Especially in this day and age when TOTUS always talks about "shared sacrifice."
The system they created was a citizen militia. This is NOT the system we have today...
True. Now we have a fair sized standing army augmented by the National Guard which is a form of select militia. And if we had a draft, not everyone would be called to serve or even at the least be trained.
Back then they wrote in the Militia Act of 1792 that each and every free able-bodied white male citizen of the respective States, resident therein, who is or shall be of age of eighteen years, and under the age of forty-five years (except as is herein after excepted) shall severally and respectively be enrolled in the militia...
That would be pretty much all of them, and they had to spend time training/drilling on a regular basis and purchase their own equipment, or at least some of it. And they got an idea of what war and the military was like which idea of necessity carried over into the rest of their lives including any public office they might eventually attain.
So you're correct when you write "This is NOT the system we have today..."
Dushbags? Did not want to be there?
Are you referring to the 18,000 that were drafted and died fighting in Vietnam?
And there were enlisted men who worked as counter agents in the Iraq War too.
That has little to do with my point above.
The fact is 18,000 of those drafted died fighting in Vietnam.
They did not have to go, there were options, not good ones, but no one forced them at gun point.
I know people who were drafted that died in combat, and I take exception to someone calling all those Americans drafted during Vietnam, "dushbags".
In certain circles, the individual that made that comment, would get his head handed to him.
I will not ever support reinstating the draft. Our volunteer system is ideal. And those who have served have my respect. Those are the truly great Americans.
I would consider it an improvement if we returned to something closer to what the founder’s envisioned. And I am not referring to a draft, and I do mean most every citizen would own an M16 or equivalent (personally I’d go for a Sig SG550).
Baker’s either gone senile or trying to prostitute himself as the Republican whipping boy for ‘Rat draft reinstatement, which is pretty senile in itself.
The Reps should make the most of this - as in, NO WAY, we brought the volunteer Army into being after decades of Democratic draft armies in 1973. We ain’t going to vote in favor of a draft, that’s one way we’re different than DemocRATs.
Whoever, whatever party, is stupid enough to bring the draft back will have a dead albatross around their neck.
If it sounded like everyone who was drafted was a dushbag that was not my intentions and would gladly apologize if it was taken that way.
coincidentially, the below article was posted right after yours and states ethnic minorities compose only 6% of the armed forces. In light of such a small percentage of ethnic minorities who have volunteered on their own to serve their country, perhaps a draft would provide more more equal share of the responsibility for defending our country?
“We should draft a 100,000 each year, train them through basic and a short duration advanced specialization (total active time no more than six months), then return them to civilian life.
They would not be required to serve in either the National Guard nor the Reserves. Only if there was a declared war, such as the two World Wars would they be called back to service.”
It only creates your definition of miltia at the administrative level - not at the level of the Second Amendment (2A).
The Doctrine of Negative Rights (DNR) is the power the 2A invokes to acknowledge the pre-existing militia status of The People.
Since the US Constitution creates the only country based on the DNR, it simultaniously and necessarily redefines the word militia under those auspices, from direct derivativation. The definition of militia you are talking about, however, is NOT the 2A/DNR definition.
I agree with Baker 100%.
People would probably end-up much more well-adjusted if they went into the military; but I don’t think a draft is a desirable thing, unless the countries fate is determined without it (ie circumstances like world wars).
“The draft would bring in a bunch of dushbags who did not want to be there just like in the 60’s.”
My best friend was drafted, was killed in battle of Hue during Tet 68. I think of him from time to time..his name is Richard Ballantine, US Marines, Infantryman. He was 19. He is not a dushbag.