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CA: McClintock on the Propositions
tommcclintock.com ^ | May 5, 2009 | Tom McClintock

Posted on 05/05/2009 1:47:49 PM PDT by calcowgirl

Here are Rep. McClintock's recommendations for the May 19th Special Election.
Prop 1A: Extend the Tax Increases. NO. This is the fig leaf that hides certain deficiencies suffered by the legislators who caved into pressure for the biggest tax increase in California's history. This measure EXTENDS the tax increases for up to two ADDITIONAL years in exchange for a spending limit that doesn't limit spending. The "spending limit" is laughable – it requires placing "unanticipated revenues" into a special fund that is then to be spent for a variety of additional purposes including education, debt service and health care. And since all funds are interchangeable, this merely allows funds spent for one purpose to be shifted for another. The bottom line: If you were against the tax increase, you're against Prop. 1A.

Prop 1B: Increases Public School Spending $9.3 Billion.
NO
. This is the classic J. Willington Wimpy approach to finance – "I would gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today." In exchange for not making certain mandated school payments over the next two years, this measure obligates $9.3 billion in supplemental payments in future years. But wait, it gets better. According to the Legislative Analyst, it's not entirely clear the bill will actually save money in the short term, but very likely it will cost much more in the future.

Prop 1C: Lottery rip-off.
NO
. This measure takes the Lottery revenue away from the schools, diverts it into the general fund to pay for $5 billion of new borrowing to balance the general fund, and then locks the general fund into making additional payments to the public schools in perpetuity. If this sounds like another of the infamous Schwarzenegger "After me, the flood" proposals, you're right.

Prop 1D: California Children and Families Rip-off.
YES
. This measure irresponsibly rips off an irresponsible rip-off, which in balance is probably a (barely) good thing. The Children and Families Fund (now called First 5) was the Rob Reiner disaster that raised tobacco taxes through the roof to pay for some highly dubious community programs. This slush fund has built up a sizeable reserve that Prop 1D filches for the general fund.

Prop 1E: Mental Health Funding Rip-Off.
YES
. This measure irresponsibly rips off another irresponsible rip-off, in this case the Mental Health Services Act that is funded by a 1 percent surcharge on upper-income wage earners and small businesses. Both 1D and 1E would require a more hardheaded appraisal of spending priorities, which is the only reason that would justify voting for them.

Prop 1F: No Raise Without a Balanced Budget.
NO
. What's not to like about a measure that says to the Legislature, "If you don't pass a balanced budget you won't get a raise?" My advice: beware any measure that puts a representative's self-interest ahead of the public interest. I'm afraid this would ultimately end up as a perverse incentive for legislators to pass higher and higher taxes in order to qualify for higher and higher salaries. We actually had a balanced budget device in the constitution that worked well: the Gann Spending Limit. We need to bring it back.


TOPICS: Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: calinitiatives; mcclintock; prop1abcdef

1 posted on 05/05/2009 1:47:49 PM PDT by calcowgirl
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To: afnamvet; ALOHA RONNIE; ambrose; antceecee; atomic_dog; AVNevis; B4Ranch; b9; backtothestreets; ...

PING!

McClintock Ping List.
Please freepmail me if you want on or off this list


2 posted on 05/05/2009 1:48:36 PM PDT by calcowgirl (RECALL Abel Maldonado! - NO on Props 1A 1B 1C 1D 1E 1F)
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To: calcowgirl

I’ll make it easy for him. No no no no no no. Simple.


3 posted on 05/05/2009 1:51:26 PM PDT by thesharkboy (<-- Looking for the silver lining in every cloud, since 1998)
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To: calcowgirl

ping


4 posted on 05/05/2009 1:55:24 PM PDT by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough!)
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To: calcowgirl

Thanks for posting!

Thought provoking on D and E.

agree on F and self-interest and ‘perverse’ angle.


5 posted on 05/05/2009 1:56:13 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed.)
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To: thesharkboy

I’m with you.

I posted it for information purposes and also because I like to hear the various arguments pro/con.

I did find the rationale interesting on D and E... “This measure irresponsibly rips off an irresponsible rip-off....”

LOL. California has sunk so low.


6 posted on 05/05/2009 1:56:50 PM PDT by calcowgirl (RECALL Abel Maldonado! - NO on Props 1A 1B 1C 1D 1E 1F)
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To: calcowgirl

I thought we were supposed to vote “NO” on ALL the propositions...


7 posted on 05/05/2009 1:57:02 PM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: NormsRevenge
Thought provoking on D and E.

I agree... but I haven't changed my mind yet. Mostly, I'm opposed to stealing from voter approved intiatives. I'd rather just see an effort to rescind them entirely if they are wrong. In the case of 1D, "sticking it to Rob Reiner" is the most motivating reason to vote yes, LOL. I may do that before this is all over... I still have a couple weeks to decide.

8 posted on 05/05/2009 1:59:53 PM PDT by calcowgirl (RECALL Abel Maldonado! - NO on Props 1A 1B 1C 1D 1E 1F)
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To: calcowgirl

lol.. just fixing the things we fixed that we fixed before we fixed them for good


9 posted on 05/05/2009 2:00:13 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed.)
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To: kellynla

“No” on everything is a safe and solid vote. Tom is making a mild case for D and E. They steal from one account (minor dollars in the scheme of things) to help fund the deficit. Those two props won’t make much difference one war or the other. I’m strongly opposed to all the others.


10 posted on 05/05/2009 2:02:00 PM PDT by calcowgirl (RECALL Abel Maldonado! - NO on Props 1A 1B 1C 1D 1E 1F)
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To: calcowgirl

I hear ya, a Yes vote just to spite Meathead or just so you can say I am not a ‘party of All NO’ member .. I don’t know if you would sleep any better but what the Hey.


11 posted on 05/05/2009 2:02:11 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed.)
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To: calcowgirl

I thought the rationales on D and E were interesting, too, but this state is too screwed up to add rip-offs on top of rip-offs. It’s simpler for everyone to just vote NO on all 6 and give the “legislators” a choice: cut spending or fail.


12 posted on 05/05/2009 2:04:09 PM PDT by thesharkboy (<-- Looking for the silver lining in every cloud, since 1998)
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To: calcowgirl

Here’s how I look at it; if Sacramento wants it, it cannot be any good. I just voted NO on all six. I couldn’t care less that “mild arguments” can be made for 1D & 1E.


13 posted on 05/05/2009 2:09:46 PM PDT by Czar ((Still Fed Up to the Teeth with Washington))
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To: blueplum; pointsal

FYI Ping.


14 posted on 05/05/2009 2:10:52 PM PDT by calcowgirl (RECALL Abel Maldonado! - NO on Props 1A 1B 1C 1D 1E 1F)
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To: calcowgirl
I'd support a proposition that turns California back into a part-time Legislature.

I bet all legislators will become anti-tax crusaders when they are forced to go and earn a living

15 posted on 05/05/2009 2:22:27 PM PDT by Frohickey
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To: calcowgirl

Oh, okay. I thought you were throwing me a “curve.” LOL

Hot enough for ya up there?


16 posted on 05/05/2009 2:22:39 PM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: calcowgirl

I’m voting no on all of them.


17 posted on 05/05/2009 2:27:04 PM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: kellynla
Hot enough for ya up there?

Nope. ;-)

18 posted on 05/05/2009 2:28:25 PM PDT by calcowgirl (RECALL Abel Maldonado! - NO on Props 1A 1B 1C 1D 1E 1F)
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To: Czar

I agree.

As much as I’d like to stick it to Meathead, I can’t take the chance of mistaking 1F for 1D or 1A and voting “yes” on the wrong proposition—

So it’s “No” on all of them.


19 posted on 05/05/2009 2:34:05 PM PDT by reagandemocrat
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To: kellynla
I thought we were supposed to vote “NO” on ALL the propositions...

Sometimes, the way they word them, you can't tell if yes means no or visa versa

20 posted on 05/05/2009 2:39:39 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (I'd rather the world hate us then laugh at us)
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To: calcowgirl
“No” on everything is a safe and solid vote.

Good! Because I've already sent in my absentee ballot with all "NO"s.

21 posted on 05/05/2009 2:42:51 PM PDT by Bokababe (Save Christian Kosovo! http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: calcowgirl

BTTT


22 posted on 05/05/2009 2:44:01 PM PDT by E.G.C.
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To: kellynla

I voted NO on all of them.


23 posted on 05/05/2009 2:57:43 PM PDT by afnamvet
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To: afnamvet
Well then that settles it & makes it easy...”NO” is the answer.

BTW, Have I ever thanked you for your service in the Nam...

You guys pulled my bacon out of the skillet on more than one occasion...in fact, I called an air strike on myself on more than one occasion....damn maps! weren't worth a damn! LOL

Semper Fi,
Kelly

24 posted on 05/05/2009 3:05:58 PM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: calcowgirl

Already sent my ballot in and there are no good measures on it, voted no on all of them! Sorry, Tom, but that is how I see it.


25 posted on 05/05/2009 3:07:51 PM PDT by calex59
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To: growlingrizzlybear

Yo - Codg?


26 posted on 05/05/2009 3:11:02 PM PDT by SnarlinCubBear (Sarcasma - Comforting relief from the use of irony, mocking and conveying contempt)
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To: calcowgirl

I appreciate the effort, but I am more inclined to simple vote “NO” from top to bottom.


27 posted on 05/05/2009 3:17:06 PM PDT by pointsal
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To: kellynla

Thanks kelley and thank YOU for your service. I flew air crew on a AC 119 “Shadow” as a radio operator on a rotational basis. The a/c was a “flying boxcar” transport popular during Korea. 3 mini guns on the pilot side made it pretty lethal.


28 posted on 05/05/2009 3:20:55 PM PDT by afnamvet
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To: calcowgirl

The Humboldt Bay area had 2” of rain yesterday on top of the 1.2” on Thursday, Friday and Saturday. I drove by our Church in a downpour yesterday and the sprinklers were going full bore!


29 posted on 05/05/2009 4:43:29 PM PDT by tubebender (Don't argue with an idiot; people watching may not be able to tell the difference.)
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To: calcowgirl
 


Thanks for the ping.  I just emailed the below to 'a few close friends'... grin

Over the past two decades, the rate of California's state spending growth has consistently well outstripped the growth of population and inflation combined (see link)
 
Now, while everyone ELSE in our state is having to tighten their belts, and to cut their expenditures, our 'representatives' in Sacramento apparently think State Government should be completely immune from the economic realities, and they are again attempting to use FEAR to scare us into going along with their latest expansionist plans.
 
It is way PAST time for Sacramento to learn some sense of fiscal responsibility.  Voting to give the State's Spendthrift Politicians, of whatever stripe, still ANOTHER big tax increase - MORE of our money for them to waste - is NOT the way to teach them this long-overdue economics lesson. 
 
I am voting *NO* on ALL of these propositions... 1A - 1F
...and I certainly hope YOU will TOO!!!
 
 

Playing the Fear Card...

Terminator Says Your Home Will Burn if You Don't Vote for Tax Increase

The SF Chronicle reports that Gov. Schwarzenegger says he will cut 1700 state fire fighters during this summer's fire season if voter's don't approve the tax increases and free spending measures on the May 19 special election ballot.

What a transparent ploy.  Threaten to cut things that will scare voters into giving you more money.  Don't admit that you could cut community redevelopment funds, or historic preservation funds, or recreation programs, or any one of dozens state programs that have constituents but clearly are not as important as fighting fires.  That would actually mean leadership and prioritization.  No, better by far to play the fear card and hope to play the voters for suckers.

Folks, keep in mind that California has (already) experienced huge growth in tax revenue, far, far more than inflation and population growth( see here).  The problem is that our state leaders can not be satisfied with that level of spending growth, but have to spend even more! 

It's not a revenue problem, it's a  spending  problem!

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http://www.reason.org/blog/show/1007497.html

 


30 posted on 05/05/2009 5:26:49 PM PDT by Seadog Bytes (OPM - The Liberal 'solution' to every societal problem. (Other People's Money))
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To: calcowgirl

Just...Say....NO


31 posted on 05/05/2009 5:31:50 PM PDT by Regulator (Welcome to Zimbabwe! Now hand over your property)
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To: calcowgirl

Vote no on D&E. They are currently allocated to local community services. The state wants to feed it back to fund the bureacracy.


32 posted on 05/05/2009 6:11:51 PM PDT by marsh2
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To: calcowgirl
I love Tom McClintock (but then you already knew that). :-)

I'm still voting no on all six measures, despite the temptation to vote yes on D & E. There's at least one gnashing-of-teeth letter-to-the-editor a day bemoaning the "mean-spirited" cuts that hurt our chilllllldren and crazy people. ;-)

33 posted on 05/05/2009 6:55:09 PM PDT by CounterCounterCulture
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To: calcowgirl

No money. I don’t want them to have any money. All programs GONE. All bearureacrats GONE (WITH THEIR NEVER-ENDING PENSIONS & BENEIFITS THAT NOBODY ELSE GETS). The programs have nothing to do with helping people. The programs are designed to pay-off union members & consolidate politician’s place in office — forever. GOVERNMENT IS A LIE — A CROOKED LIE. LET THEM ALL GO BROKE. NOT A DIME. NOT A PENNY FOR “CHILDREN” THE “POOR” “SOCIAL JUSTICE” NOR ANYBODY ELSE BECAUSE IT’S A LIE — IT’S ALL FOR POLITICAL ADVANTAGE. GOVERNMENT IS A LIE. LET THEM GO BROKE. I’ll help my friend & neighbor — don’t need a state PENSIONED empmployee to do it.


34 posted on 05/05/2009 7:09:28 PM PDT by Bhoy (TEA PARTY ON!)
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To: calcowgirl

A concerned friend of mine sent this to me, which might better explain why many property owners in CA (or renters who will ultimately face higher rents as a result) are frustrated.
Just an FYI if this should interest you.


[WHY VOTE NO] on CALIFORNIA PROPOSITIONS 1A-through-1F (2009) — MORE LIES FROM THE UNION ACTIVISTS?

I just received a 4-page mailer of lies that says …

Families have to live within their means. Our state government should, too.”

“Limit politicians’ spending & stabilize California’s budget.”

“Vote Yes on May 19th to put California’s economy back on track!”

Which are, in my humble opinion, outright lies …

There is nothing in these propositions which will limit the profligate and outrageous spending of the legislature’s liberal democrats as they continue to pursue spending policies which benefits social engineering, support of illegal aliens, providing better contracts to government employee unions and paying off the state’s developers and other special interests. In fact, there is a loophole which will allow government spending to rise as revenues rise – so where is the budget limit they state?

There is nothing in these propositions that will put California’s economy back on track. What is actually required is for the housing market to stabilize; job losses to be reversed; government taxes, fees, rules and regulations altered to encourage businesses to remain in California; and a reduction in overall legislative spending.

The ONE thing Californians NEED TO KNOW …

Acceptance of these propositions will INCREASE the taxes Californians must pay … by extending the taxes for another two years! Something that they forget to tell you in the brochure designed to mislead you into insuring that politicians, government workers, unionized employees and the special interests have wages, perks, benefits and a retirement far superior to anything that is available to the ordinary worker in the private sector.

Look what they say about the individual propositions …

Proposition 1A – “Budget Stabilization: Restricts state spending in the future and forces the state to put money into a rainy day account for future economic downturns.”

The proposition not only does not stabilize the budget – which was passed by corrupt and complacent politicians in both the Assembly and the Senate and signed by Governor “I vant to be loved” Schwarzenstupid – but it increases your tax burden for another two years. The “rainy day account” is little more than a political slush fund which can be used at the discretion of those who have already spent our golden state into near bankruptcy.

Proposition 1B — “Education Funding: Requires that schools and community colleges get paid back amounts recently cut from their budgets when the economy improves.”

Excuse me … but where is the correlation between the amount of money spent on education and the actual results as demonstrated by student scores. In the Los Angeles Unified School District, and elsewhere, 50% of the students are failing to graduate – and many of those that do manage to graduate are severely handicapped by an inferior educational system. Why does the state refuse to test teacher competency? Why does the state refuse to allow school vouchers? This is just another funding mechanism for the corrupt teacher’s unions which support the democrat party. If the unions really believed “it’s about the children,” they would abandon their seniority policies and replace them with “teacher competency” policies.

Proposition 1C — “Modernizing the Lottery: Modernize the lottery so we get more revenues for schools. Helps prevent more teacher layoffs.”

What a crock of bull. If those who ran the lottery could modernize the system, they would have done it long ago. And consider the morality of encouraging gambling when a much better return on your money is to take care of yourself and your family. It is a dirty little secret in the school budgeting world – but the educational system reduces their budget contributions by an amount equal to the anticipated lottery revenues. There is no extra money for the “children” as if the money actually were spent in the classroom. Truth be told, most educational spending is on infrastructure, administrators and unionized teachers. At some of the highest pay rates in the nation.

Proposition 1D — “Children’s Services Funding: Temporarily redirects unspent funds to pay for children’s health and social services.”

This is a direct subsidy to the illegal aliens who are destroying our healthcare, educational, judicial, retirement, social and cultural infrastructure. The number of illegal aliens having “anchor babies” in California and receiving social services is not only staggering, it is one of the main reasons for our current fiscal condition.

Proposition 1E – “Mental Health Funding: Temporarily redirects unspent funds to help pay for children’s health programs including health care screening, diagnosis and treatment.

Déjà vu all over again. Read Proposition 1D – and ask yourself why we have so many mentally ill people roaming the streets in California? The socialistic legislators believe that the citizens of California need to pay for free and universal healthcare and it should start with the children; including those who are illegal aliens.

Proposition 1F — “Legislative Salary Freeze: Prohibits state elected officials from getting salary increases when the state has a budget deficit.”

Is sounds like a prudent measure, but like everything else proposed in the political arena it is highly misleading. Legislators can increase their tax “per diem” expenses and up their state-owned car allowances. They can reduce the amount of money they pay the state to compensate for the use of state property and vehicles. Or, they can simply convert some of their “donations” into personal benefits. Another indication of the duplicitous nature of California’s politicians. How about a proposition that says that legislators will receive 80% of their salary in tough times and forfeit their salaries for each and every day that the state does not have a balanced budget? Or forfeit their state benefits if they are caught in corrupt and illegal practices? Or how about keeping spouses and children from getting high-paying jobs which require little or no work and provides little or no benefit to the State of California? How about keeping “termed out” politicians off boards which pay six-figure salaries for minimal attendance and work?

Bottom line …

This mess was created by the politicians and they should not be receiving a lifeline which will further cripple California’s economy and drive law-abiding tax-paying citizens out of state – ONLY to be replaced with more easily controlled illegal aliens as they wait for President Barack Obama’s conditional amnesty program. By the way, the Obama plan does not require any loyalty to the United States and dual citizenship is still permitted.


35 posted on 05/05/2009 7:11:31 PM PDT by heatherlund (Obama is a socialist . No thanks! MCCain/Palin 2008)
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To: calcowgirl

Thanks for posting. I take his advice pretty seriously when I need to parse out the essentials of the various initiatives.


36 posted on 05/05/2009 7:17:36 PM PDT by AndyTheBear
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To: marsh2; NormsRevenge
Vote no on D&E. They are currently allocated to local community services. The state wants to feed it back to fund the bureacracy.

Thanks, marsh2. That is reason enough for me.

I'll quit letting my thoughts be provoked and go back to my gut: NO on all of them!

37 posted on 05/05/2009 7:45:58 PM PDT by calcowgirl (RECALL Abel Maldonado! - NO on Props 1A 1B 1C 1D 1E 1F)
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To: heatherlund

Looks like pretty good advice.

Thanks for posting!


38 posted on 05/05/2009 7:51:12 PM PDT by calcowgirl (RECALL Abel Maldonado! - NO on Props 1A 1B 1C 1D 1E 1F)
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To: AndyTheBear

I’m usually with Tom about 90% of the time.

I’ll be just goin’ with a “NO” vote on all of them.

There is no reason to join in the “irresponsibly rips offs,” particularly when (as marsh2 pointed out) it redistributes dollars from local gov and gives more to the totally irresponsible idiots in Sacramento.


39 posted on 05/05/2009 7:53:51 PM PDT by calcowgirl (RECALL Abel Maldonado! - NO on Props 1A 1B 1C 1D 1E 1F)
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To: calcowgirl
I disagree with Tom McClintock on D and E.

Voters approved those additional taxes to fund XYZ special programs, which voters thought were worthy of getting extra funding, not for the general fund. This happens with gas taxes all the time (except that they don't ask us) -- raise gas taxes to improve roads, and then raid the gas tax collection fund while leaving the roads in disrepair. If the legislators wanted to raise taxes for the general fund, then they should have asked directly.

No on all six 1A, 1B, 1C, 1D, 1E, 1F.

40 posted on 05/05/2009 10:08:24 PM PDT by heleny
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To: heatherlund
heatherlund's friend said: "... spending policies which benefits social engineering, support of illegal aliens, providing better contracts to government employee unions and paying off the state’s developers and other special interests. "

Your friend failed to mention the state spending to support infringements of the right to keep and bear arms. If Arnold wants to win my support, he can start by shutting down every part of the DOJ dedicated to enforcing Kalifornia's unConstitutional gun laws.

These laws do nothing except inconvenience people like me while helping to spend billions of dollars that the state doesn't have. Perhaps when the prison guards or the teachers get to choose between their own paychecks or continuing these infringements, they will agree to leave me alone to exercise my rights. But they haven't so far, so I have no sympathy for them whatever. Let them eat cake.

41 posted on 05/05/2009 10:14:48 PM PDT by William Tell
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To: heleny
If the legislators wanted to raise taxes for the general fund, then they should have asked directly.

Simple concept, isn't it?

Unfortunately, they instead lie, deceive, misrepresent ... anything to bamboozle the voters.

I don't think they're gonna fool them this time. (knock on wood)

42 posted on 05/05/2009 10:16:32 PM PDT by calcowgirl (RECALL Abel Maldonado! - NO on Props 1A 1B 1C 1D 1E 1F)
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To: marsh2

I much rather prefer that those original measures are taken back and the taxes are brought down.

I will vote NO on D & E.


43 posted on 05/10/2009 10:17:38 AM PDT by indianrightwinger
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To: indianrightwinger

What makes you think that taxes will be brought down if they pass? The money is going to be reallocated to other state programs. It is not going to reduce your existing taxes. It is just being redirected to state programs rather than local programs where local boards make the decisions on where the local needs are and where the money is spent.


44 posted on 05/10/2009 11:06:58 AM PDT by marsh2
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To: calcowgirl

thanks for the ping! I’m glad to see McClintock questioning 1d and 1e.

Sac Bee ran a recent article that the voters are apathetic about this special election - but I have a feeling we may surprise everyone with the turnout! :)


45 posted on 05/14/2009 3:32:24 PM PDT by blueplum
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