Skip to comments.The Truth about Ron Paul - From his own lips.
Posted on 05/06/2009 12:13:44 PM PDT by Iam1ru1-2
Our company operates in the broadcast arena. I often see feeds from Russia Today. Just a few weeks ago, they had another of Ron Paul's friends, Alex Jones. Russia Today has an agenda, but these fools allow themselves to be used in it.
He called Zero a liar in that first sentence. Was that the wrong thing to do?
Did you catch the context of why he called him a liar?
I'll give you a hint. Zero is not as limp-wristed as Ron Paul would like him to be.
He's wrong on most of the Defense thing. I've even excoriated him for it in posts here. I think he's very wrong on a couple of issues. Isolationism doesn't work. Neither does playing Globo-Cop.
People have discussed all of this before on these threads. This is nothing new.
Ron Paul is not an isolationist. He is supportive of the radical concept of unilateral free trade and diplomancy. That is the polar opposite of isolationism. In this regard, he is more “internationalist” than the interventionists.
I also have no problem with us selling arms and equipment to those fighting "the good fight", like Israel, where Dr. Paul would have us cut off all such dealings. He does have a point that we should not be dictating their policy for them nor should we be giving ANY other Nation "freebies".
I guess I still haven't forgiven Dr. Paul for standing on the same podium as Dougy Kookcinich.
...Free trade, I’m with ya, problem is Big business, like Big government is monopolizing free market. Nepotism and good ole boy network is making us slaves of working for the “man”, instead of ourselves...
But what's the point of us giving Israel aid, and then giving its enemies twice as much financial aid? We say that we support Israel, but the price tag for that "support" is that we are forcing them to accept a Palestinian State. All DC is doing is giving boatloads of OUR MONEY to EVERYBODY, and calling it "part of the Peace Process". "Peace process" my rear-end, it's afinacial boondoggle!
I am pro-Israel in the sense that I respect Israel as a sovereign state with the right to defend herself and her territory as she sees fit, and run her country as she sees fit. I am old enough to remember when Israel and Israelis were considered a formidable enemy for anyone -- you didn't mess with Israelis. But right now the US is using Israel like a pawn on a ME chessboard and if this "game" continues the direction it is going, I suspect that it will not be too long before we sacrifice that "pawn" to appease the Muslim world. Israel, herself, should tell us, "Thanks for the past support, but we'll take it from here and defend ourselves as we see fit".
Good Old Boyz only goes so far. The rest is Uncle Sam's fault.
I have a two word response to this arguemnt: Fidel Castro. He would have been out of power long ago had we adopted a policy of unilateral free trade with Cuba. Your policy, by contrast, has a fifty-year failure record.
We agree on MFN. The whole process should be abolished and be replaced by uniform policy of tariff reductions for all comers. I am not interested in "carrots." I see as free trade as a subversive battering ram against tyranny. You don't seem very confident in the effectiveness of free trade. Why? If you really believe in the radical possibilities of free trade, you would be shy in allowing it full reign. If you don't believe in its potential, on the other hand, you'll cede trade policy to the caprices of politicians (a clear failure).
Kucinich is a lefty but he is often right when the GOP is wrong. Unlike McCain, Romney, Bush, Gingrich, and the entire GOP congressional leadership, for example, he opposed the TARP. Did you "forgive" them for their stand?
That’s “not be shy”
How does trading with a known Communist do this? It didn't work with Russia. It's not working with China.
Did you "forgive" them for their stand?
I'm not the "forgiving" type.
...I agree, Big Government is at the top. But Big Business, not all, are in bed with government, lobbists, payoffs, bribes... So far, here in Lex, Cain-tuck, there’s a whole lot of good ole boy networking...
If big Govt could do nothing for them, those lobbyists wouldn’t be there. Take that one power away from the government and you’d go a long way to restoring real freedom in this Country.
He's for open borders (after cutting the welfare incentives that draw illegals here...yeah, right).
Every time someone asks him about abortion, his eyes glaze over and starts babbling about "less government".
Ron Paul is Ralph Nader's gay lover.
Gay lover? You sure like to take the high road, don't you?
Not working with China? Marx is a joke there.
That whole "carrot and stick" of essentially giving the Chi-Coms trillions of dollars in manufacturing sure showed them...
Chi “Coms”? Do you really believe that they are communists anymore? You are stuck in a 1960s time warp apparently. Face it, Mainland China is now far closer to Chiang’s vision that it is Mao’s.
I guess it depends on where you are getting your info from. But yeah, they are still operating under a system of centralized control over the means of production, have human Rights policies that would even make a Berkely resident upset, and have zero intention of changing anything from what I’ve seen over the last ten years.
Centralized means of production? Maybe that was true in 1985. Even the state industries are quasi capitalistic. China is authoritarian but so are a lot of places. Heck, as we speak, Christian converts are under threat of the death penality in Afghanistan....and nobody particularly cares. The Chinese, for all their faults, don’t do that!
There were articles here over the past or so about the Communist Party stripping those same corporations of all profit to help feed the government.
Sorry, but that is not "progress".
What???? That's simply not true. He wants a border fence, he questions birthright citizenship.
Not sure where you came up with that allegation, but it's BS.
"A popular academic argument for abortion demands that we think of the child in the womb as a parasite, but the same argument justifies infanticide, since it applies just as well to an infant outside the womb.newborns require even more attention & care."
People ask an expectant mother how her baby is doing. They do not ask how her fetus is doing, or her blob of tissue, or her parasite. But that is what her baby becomes as soon as the child is declared to be unwanted."
Source: The Revolution: A Manifesto, by Ron Paul, p. 59-60Apr 1, 2008
"Protecting the life of the unborn is protecting liberty"
"Liberty is the most important thing, because if we have our liberties, we have our freedoms, we can have our lives. But its academic to talk about civil liberties if you dont talk about the true protection of all life. So if youre going to protect liberty, you have to protect the life of the unborn just as well. I have a bill in Congress which I would certainly promote and push as President. But its been ignored by the right-to-life community. My bill is called the Sanctity of Life bill. What it would do is it would establish the principle that life begins at conception. Thats not a political statement, but a scientific statement that Im making. Were all interested in a better court system, and amending the Constitution to protect life--but sometimes that is dismissing the way we can handle this much quicker. My bill removes the jurisdiction of the federal courts from the issue of abortion. If a state law says no abortion, it doesnt go to the Supreme Court to be ruled out of order." Source: Speeches to 2008 Conservative Political Action Conference Feb 7, 2008
I “came up with it” from his many interviews during the campaign and it used to be on his web site. It’s amazing the things his supporters are ignorant of. If he now says he’s for the border fence, that’s new which proves what a phony he is.
I listened to many of the interviews during that period, and the wealth of position papers on his websites and NEVER came up with anything close to what you have stated he said.
I am a support of RP's ideas of a return to Constitutionalism, abortion as anti-freedom, small government, etc., not necessarily a support of RP, personally.
But it is amazing to me the lengths that RP detractors will go to in order to slime, slander him and put words in his mouth that he never said. Don't like RP's ideas? Fine. Argue that. But lying about him is just BS. It's "bearing false witness" and it is just flat-out destructive to all concerned.
The facts are that Ron Paul didn’t have much to say about border security, illegal aliens except this, from your link
“Finally, meaningful immigration reform can only take place when we end the welfare state. “
That was his position for years. Only recently has he even suggested more border security. You can’t find one time that Paul actually sponsored or cosponsored any thing for border security except for that typical ‘no welfare’ line. He’s never bothered to address just how he would ‘end welfare’, because he knows it can’t be done.
His vote for MFN for China was another boneheaded move.
Look, I was posting articles by Ron Paul 10 years ago when no one else had heard of him. He has a lot worth listening to. Border security was never one of his strong suits.
Did you know there was a big amnesty in 2002? Ron voted FOR it.
Ron Paul’s Immigration Record
URL Source: http://NumberUSA
Published: Oct 29, 2007
Author: Excerpted from : http://www.federalobser
Paul’s Immigration Voting Record & Report Card on the NumbersUSA website:
(1) Paul consistently voted every year since 1999 against putting the military on the border:
2006: H. Amdt. 206 to H.R. 1815 2004: Goode Amendment to H.R. 4200 2003: Goode Amendment to H.R. 1588 2002: H. Amdt. 479 to H.R. 4546 2001: Traficant amendment to HR 2586 2000: Traficant amendment to H.R.4205 1999: Trafficant Amendment to H.R. 1401.
(2) Paul voted in 1997, 2001( H.R. 1885) and 2002 (H RES 365) to grant, extend or continue Section 245-i amnesties for illegal aliens.
(3) Paul voted NO on extending the voluntary Basic Pilot Workplace Verification Program (H.R. 2359),
(4) Paul voted NO on the border fence in 2005 (Hunter Amendment to HR 4437 - “Enforcement Only” Bill).
(5) Paul voted YES to increase H2-B (HR 763 in 2005) and H-1B visas (HR 3736 in 1998). In 1998, he voted to allow US firms to lay off Americans to replace them with foreigners.
(2) Paul voted in 1997, 2001( H.R. 1885) and 2002 (H RES 365) to grant, extend or continue Section 245-i amnesties for illegal aliens.
Everyone needs a reminder of some of Pauls BAD immigration votes.
Especially Item #2. This was an amnesty and allowed for chain migration, more visas, blah,blah, and one reason it has gotten as bad as it has. It was pushed by the White House.
H.R.3525 Title: To enhance the border security of the United States, and for other purposes. (introduced 12/19/2001) Related Bills: H.RES.365, H.R.1885, H.R.3205, S.CON.RES.106, S.1618, S.1749 Latest Major Action: Became Public Law No: 107-173 [GPO: Text, PDF] Note: On 3/12/2002, H.Res. 365 was agreed to by the House. H.Res. 365 incorporated the text of H.R. 3525, the Enhanced Border Security and Visa Entry Reform Act, in H.R. 1885, previously the Section 245(i) Extension Act dealing with certain immigration petition filing deadlines. Subsequent action on border security returned to H.R. 3525.
The White House [snip]
H.R. 1885 - Section 245(i) Extension Act The Administration strongly supports House passage of H.R.1885 as expected to be considered on the House floor. H.R. 1885 would extend the window created under section 245(i) of the Immigration and Nationality Act during which qualified immigrants may obtain legal residence in the United States without being forced to first leave the country and their families for as long as several years. This legislation reflects the Administration’s philosophy that government policies should recognize the importance of families and help to strengthen them.
Rep. Paul is a cosponsor of H.R. 793, the Save Our Small and Seasonal Business Act of 2005, to amend the Immigration and Nationality Act to limit the timing of issuance of H-2B visas during a fiscal year. Specifically, H.R. 793 would split the H-2B visa cap so no more than 33,000 visas are made available for the first six months the fiscal year, and another 33,000 visas would be available in the second half of the year. However, H.R. 793 exempts from the annual cap aliens granted an H-2B visa within three years prior to approval of an H-2B petition, thus potentially TRIPLING the number of H-2B workers in the United States at any one time. Although timing the issuance of H-2B visas is a common-sense approach that would help prevent the situation that occurred in FY 2004 and FY 2005 when the 66,000 annual cap on H-2B (low-skill) nonimmigrant visas was hit within the first quarter of the year, H.R. 793 would ultimately harm American workers by creating exemptions which potentially could triple the number of H-2B workers in the U.S. at any given time. Nearly doubled H-1B foreign high-tech workers in 1998
Voted on House floor against Hunter amendment to increase security with border fence in 2005 Rep. Paul voted against the Hunter Amendment to H.R. 4437, the Border Protection, Antiterrorism, and Illegal Immigration Control Act of 2005. The Hunter Amendment would shore up security by building fences and other physical infrastructure to keep out illegal aliens. Specifically, it mandates the construction of specific security fencing, including lights and cameras, along the Southwest border for the purposes of gaining operational control of the border. As well, it includes a requirement for the Secretary of Homeland Security to conduct a study on the use of physical barriers along the Northern border. The Hunter Amendment passed by a vote of 260-159.
Uh, oh, now you’ve done it.
To be fair:
You are only posting part of his record.
For a good source on grades on illegal immigration see:
They also have a very good history of votes for all politicians.
Of course, I would prefer an A+ from all Republicans. Ron Paul has a B. John McCain, who I still cant believe was our candidate [I am and have been a local Republican Precinct Chair], received a D!
“To be fair:
You are only posting part of his record.”
And which part of those votes do you not understand?
Your link is part of my response.
I know that RP is against using our military at the border, so that's a non-argument between us. I don't disagree on that, because to use our military for that during peace time is isn't the best idea -- a military during peace time that can keep them out, could also be used to keep us in!
I tried looking up H.R. 1885 for 1997, and came up with a resolution to clear Harry Mudd's name -- clearly not the bill you are talking about so I have no idea what happened there.
This link is a pretty good comprehensive assessment of RP's record and views.
Like I said before, it isn't RP personally that I am a fan of, it's his message. But I've seen so much truly untrue things written about him, that I am skeptical when I see slams on issues that I know aren't true.
The host of that interview is smoking hot!
“If he now says hes for the border fence, thats new which proves what a phony he is.”
I wonder, Deb, who’s the phony? Ron Paul, who’s got a record of opposing illegal immigration, trying to stop the anchor baby problem, and generally standing up for the Constitution...or...hmmm...someone who’s posted that they would rush to vote for Rudy Giuliani and leaps to defend Dubya’s record on immigration?
I guess it must be that lying loony Ron Paul that’s the phony here. /s