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Hoping Obama's place of birth truly was in Hawaii
The Victoria Advocate ^ | May 5, 2009 | Peter Aparicio

Posted on 05/06/2009 7:47:05 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

I hope I am proven wrong.

I hope for the sake of our country that I and many other concerned citizens across the country are looked upon as well-intentioned but ultimately misguided individuals who chased a bad rumor based on lies and distortions.

The reason I hope to be thought wrong (although well-intentioned) is because the price of being right about the constitutional requirements to be president not being met by the current occupant of the Oval Office is too disturbing to be imagined.

If, in fact, Barack Obama does not meet the requirements set out by the U.S. Constitution in Article II, Section I, it would throw this country into a constitutional crisis. Vice President Joe Biden would, obviously, become President Biden. The harrowing part of this taking place is that every appointment made, every piece of legislation signed, and every executive order issued by Barack Obama could, and should, be considered invalid.

Full-moon time? I know, I know; I sound like a raving lunatic. So where do I draw my conclusions that this is even a valid issue to entertain?

Let's review what's been accepted as "fact" by the mainstream press and the vast majority of Americans: Barack Hussein Obama was born on August 4, 1961 in Honolulu, Hawaii, to Stanley Ann Dunham, 18, and Barack Obama Sr., 25.

Now let's look at some of the questions challenging these accepted "facts":

Concerned citizens across the United States since well before the November election have questioned Barack Obama's "natural born" qualification for the presidency. From sea to shining sea, at least 18 lawsuits with plaintiffs including a former presidential candidate, a former deputy attorney general, state legislators and retired and active duty members of the military, are attempting to compel him to verify his citizenship.

Candidate Obama's own Web site, fightthesmears.com, posted a "Certification of Live Birth," which, according to the Web site, proves that Obama is in fact a natural born U.S. citizen. What the Web site won't tell you, however, is that a "Certification of Live Birth" is not a birth certificate, and that at the time, the state of Hawaii allowed foreign-born children of U.S. citizens (Stanley Ann Dunham) to have their births registered with this document based on a statement of only one relative. The obvious question must be asked: If Obama has an original "long form" birth certificate issued on the day of his birth by the state of Hawaii, why would he also have a "Certification of Live Birth"? It would not be necessary. Critics have called upon President Obama to just give the state of Hawaii his permission to release his original "long form" birth certificate. The "long form" birth certificate would include all the pertinent information about his birth: name of the hospital, name and signature of the attending physician and a seal of the Hawaiian Health Department. This simple action by President Obama would immediately end all speculation about his citizenship and the reasons for the various lawsuits. Instead, President Obama is spending time and money hiring lawyers to fight these lawsuits. Why?

Why doesn't the mainstream press cover these lawsuits? I mean, in 2004, Dan Rather did a bang up job covering something a lot less important. Rather had "authentic" memos critical of President George W. Bush's Texas Air National Guard service record. Yet there are some legitimate questions about the constitutional eligibility of our president, and yet not one single major press outlet is covering it. Part of the reason is that this issue has supposedly settled by the independent authority on Obama's birth certificate, FactCheck.org. Yet on their Web site, FactCheck.org states:

"The document is a 'certification of birth,' also known as a short-form birth certificate. The long form is drawn up by the hospital and includes additional information such as birth weight and parents' hometowns. The Hawaii Department of Health's birth record request form does not give the option to request a photocopy of your long-form birth certificate. We tried to ask the Hawaii DOH why they only offer the short form, among other questions, but they have not given a response."

So the independent authority on this question has admitted that they have not seen the original long-form birth certificate. And the questions remain.

I sincerely hope that Barack Obama was born in Honolulu, Hawaii, in 1961 and therefore meets the constitutional requirements to be president. If not, our Constitution must be followed and procedures put in place for future elections wherein all candidates on the ballot must prove they meet the requirements set forth by the law of the land, the U.S. Constitution.

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Peter Aparicio is a resident of Victoria and a government teacher at Memorial High School.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Government; Politics/Elections; US: Hawaii
KEYWORDS: akaobama; bho2009; bho44; biden; birthcertificate; bo; certifigate; choomgang; colb; constitution; foreignborn; hawaii; illegitmate; kenya; obama; obamatruthfile; unconstitutional; usurper
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This is by a SCHOOL TEACHER?! If everyone wrote a similar letter-to-the-editor, they'd have to print some of them.
1 posted on 05/06/2009 7:47:06 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I hope for the sake of the country he was born in Kenya so he gets the boot. He is fraud. If people riot because he broke the law then they are wrong and need push back.


2 posted on 05/06/2009 7:50:51 PM PDT by Frantzie (Remember when Bush was President and Americans had jobs (and ammo)?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Personally I suspect the little bastard’s father was really Frank Marshal Davis, and that’s why he’s hiding the evidence.


3 posted on 05/06/2009 7:55:09 PM PDT by Blado (''crush the bourgeoisie...grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation'' - V.I. Lenin)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The reason that Obama is hiding his birth certificate is that he is son of Frank Marshall Davis.


4 posted on 05/06/2009 7:55:47 PM PDT by atomicweeder
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Let the riots begin.


5 posted on 05/06/2009 7:55:50 PM PDT by Gator113 (Weak-coward-racist-white hating-lying-traitor= Surrender Monkey in Chief-B. Hussein Obama...)
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To: Frantzie

LOVE your tag, Frantzie


6 posted on 05/06/2009 7:57:14 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
every appointment made, every piece of legislation signed, and every executive order issued by Barack Obama could, and should, be considered invalid

Wishful thinking for those who love America -- but Americans can dream I suppose.

7 posted on 05/06/2009 7:57:45 PM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
..isn't it the responsibility of the DNC to insure all certificates in question meet eligibility?
8 posted on 05/06/2009 7:58:00 PM PDT by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“....because the price of being right about the constitutional requirements to be president not being met by the current occupant of the Oval Office is too disturbing to be imagined.”

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No it isn’t. Not in the least.

Rolling back Marxism, attacks on productive Americans, open racism and machinations designed to complete overturn 230 years of American progress should never be considered “disturbing”.

Let the pigs riot. We know how to hit back. Hard.


9 posted on 05/06/2009 7:58:45 PM PDT by EyeGuy
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This newspaper is in Victoria, Texas.


10 posted on 05/06/2009 7:59:12 PM PDT by iowamark (certified by Michael Steele as "ugly and incendiary")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I hope for the sake of the country he wasn’t born in Hawaii. This way we have a chance in hell in getting him out of office before the 4 years are up and he has more time to destroy our country. When the military brass realize he isn’t able to give lawful orders and they will be breaking the law by following his unlawful orders, things will have to come to a head quickly and he will be compelled to prove exactly where he was born.


11 posted on 05/06/2009 7:59:17 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

How could anyone in good conscious even run for POTUS knowing they did not meet constitutional requirements? And if they did think of the danger the nation could now be in.


12 posted on 05/06/2009 7:59:32 PM PDT by valkyry1
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The latest from Dr. Orly Taitz's challenge of BO's citizenship.

http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/blog1/. An excerpt:

Proposed quo warranto, to be delivered to Atty. Gen of GA

May 5th, 2009

Dr. Orly Taitz, ESQ
26302 La Paz, ste 211
Mission Viejo, CA 92691

05.05.09. Attention Attorney General of GA

Proposed Quo Warranto to be filed on behalf of GA National Guard

Honorable Attorney General Thurbert Baker,

Re: Request for the United States to relate Quo Warranto

on Barack Hussein Obama, II to Test His Title to President

Petitioner/Relator:

, Georgia Army National Guard

This Relator brings information in the nature of Quo Warranto that Barack Hussein Obama, II, is usurping the office of President, per the attached relation.

Relator requests that as Attorney General, you institute a Quo Warranto proceeding against Obama under the United States Constitution, Wyoming Constitution and pursuant to DC Code § 16-3502, and demand that Obama show clear title, proving, with clear and convincing evidence, that he had qualified for his name to be placed on the Wyoming State ballot for President and Commander-in-Chief of members of the Wyoming National Guard when guard members are called into service under Title 10 USC.

By Relator’s constitutional Oath of Office, to both the state and federal governments and interest above other citizens and taxpayers, Relator submits that he has standing.

Relator relates this information in the form of draft motions to the Georgia States Attorney General for appropriate disposition in a Wyoming State Court. This includes bringing quo warranto and request for a jury trial to establish the facts.

In arguendo of Respondent Obama’s burden of proof, motions are submitted requesting mandamus on Hawaii Gov. Linda Lingle for evidence, and on Sec. State Hillary Rodham Clinton for evidence and to request evidence from Britain and the Republics of Kenya, Indonesia and Pakistan.

Quo warranto focuses on the foundational issue of enforcing and preserving both state and federal Constitution’s vital safeguards provided to preserve our Republic from tyranny.

There's more at the site including a quo warranto request to the Governors of Georgia and Wyoming.
13 posted on 05/06/2009 7:59:42 PM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
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To: Frantzie
To the committed left, the Constitution is a cheap whore. They use her frequently for their own ends, and care nothing for what she really is about. Her own will and intentions are to be totally subserviant to their own will and intentions.

For the Left, protections for political speech are not there to protect people critizing left wing idealogy--for they call such "hate speech". Rather for the Left such protections are to protect the tax payer funding of vulgar art which is hateful to those they dislike.

Why should we expect that they treat her with respect now?

14 posted on 05/06/2009 7:59:55 PM PDT by AndyTheBear
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Why doesn't the mainstream press cover these lawsuits?

Because they are a well intergrated part of the Propaganda Ministry.

15 posted on 05/06/2009 8:00:14 PM PDT by GingisK
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To: valkyry1
How could anyone in good conscious even run for POTUS knowing they did not meet constitutional requirements?

Simply by not having a conscience. Just like any dictator, crook, Marxist, or leftist-extremist.

16 posted on 05/06/2009 8:02:04 PM PDT by GingisK
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Vice President Joe Biden would, obviously, become President Biden.

One nightmare would end and another would begin.

OH the huge manatees!

17 posted on 05/06/2009 8:02:05 PM PDT by Pontiac (Your message here.)
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To: atomicweeder
Why would anyone give a flying fig about that?
18 posted on 05/06/2009 8:03:07 PM PDT by yldstrk (My heros have always been cowboys--Reagan and Bush)
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To: Frantzie

If he was born in Kenya he will keep his Records locked up tight until well beyond his natural life. My guess is our great great grand children might be able to see these records. But no one will care as “The Great Leader” will be enshrined in myth and legends by then...


19 posted on 05/06/2009 8:03:40 PM PDT by jakerobins
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To: knarf

Thanks.


20 posted on 05/06/2009 8:05:28 PM PDT by Frantzie (Remember when Bush was President and Americans had jobs (and ammo)?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Geeeeez, the thought of having Biden as President is enough to leave Obama alone.


21 posted on 05/06/2009 8:07:19 PM PDT by Bringbackthedraft (tagline under renovation, will return soon.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

What “IF?” We ARE in a constitutional crisis. Which part of “Forgery” does Peter NOT understand?


22 posted on 05/06/2009 8:07:52 PM PDT by Polarik (Forgeries are forever)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I think the reason Obama is hiding the birth certificate is that Obama is really a girl.

He's scrawny enough, he throws like a girl -- or wait, am I confusing him with John Kerry?

Cheers!

23 posted on 05/06/2009 8:09:45 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I sincerely hope that Barack Obama was born in Honolulu, Hawaii, in 1961 and therefore meets the constitutional requirements to be president.

If not we could demand the resignation of every judge who refused to allow these lawsuits any merit for refusing to abide by their oath to uphold the Constitution.
It would also mean that Barry would be asked to leave the White House and he would be afforded none of the perks of a former president.

Then again, Obama has said that he is a Christian...despite his refusal to personally help "the least of these" through his own donations to charity and his support for abortion at any time for any reason.... he wouldn't lie.
Of course any money he has spent over the $10.00 required to make a copy of his birth certificate available would illustrate his total disregard for "the least of these" who donated $1.00 and $2.00 to his campaign...

If President Obama lied to get into office, the truth will come out. The stain he will have left on the presidency may not.

24 posted on 05/06/2009 8:10:57 PM PDT by The Brush
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To: atomicweeder

The reason that Obama is hiding his birth certificate is that he is son of Frank Marshall Davis.
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Who is Frank Marshall Davis?

Some commie?


25 posted on 05/06/2009 8:11:17 PM PDT by unkus
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To: atomicweeder; Blado

Who the heck is Frank Marshall Davis?

I guess I am out of the loop. :D


26 posted on 05/06/2009 8:11:20 PM PDT by LUV W (Zero is dumb as a rock (dangerously so))
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To: Secret Agent Man

Given that very conflict—between the potus and the military—do you think the CIA would do their best to produce the forgery the affirmative action potus figure would need to stop the conflict between orders and authority? I don’t even doubt it, given the specious video they produced to verify a lie to help sinkEmperor Clinton avoid dealing directly with terrorists who downed a 747 jet off the East Coast.


27 posted on 05/06/2009 8:12:28 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: unkus

GMTA?


28 posted on 05/06/2009 8:12:59 PM PDT by LUV W (Zero is dumb as a rock (dangerously so))
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To: unkus

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Marshall_Davis


29 posted on 05/06/2009 8:13:33 PM PDT by atomicweeder
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To: Bringbackthedraft

Geeeeez, the thought of having Biden as President is enough to leave Obama alone.
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I’d take Biden over this evil imposter.


30 posted on 05/06/2009 8:13:44 PM PDT by unkus
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To: LUV W

Marshall is on top, Obama on bottom .....which one is the father......

31 posted on 05/06/2009 8:14:04 PM PDT by tioga
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To: Bringbackthedraft

I don’t think Biden automatically becomes the President. He serves as acting President if the existing President is found ineligible.

Then a new President is chosen.

From the 20th Amendment:

3. If, at the time fixed for the beginning of the term of the President, the President elect shall have died, the Vice President elect shall become President. If a President shall not have been chosen before the time fixed for the beginning of his term, or if the President elect shall have failed to qualify, then the Vice President elect shall act as President until a President shall have qualified; and the Congress may by law provide for the case wherein neither a President elect nor a Vice President elect shall have qualified, declaring who shall then act as President, or the manner in which one who is to act shall be selected, and such person shall act accordingly until a President or Vice President shall have qualified.

I think the case may be made that if Zero was NEVER qualified to serve,it was as if the President did not qualify by the beginning of his appointed time to begin serving as President, and the Congress will have to determine how a new President will be deemed to be qualified to serve.


32 posted on 05/06/2009 8:14:58 PM PDT by exit82 (The Obama Cabinet: There was more brainpower on Gilligan's Island.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

IMHO there is a 95% chance that his genuine Hawaii birth certificate is in a vault somewhere in Hawaii. By witholding it, Obama is making the Right go nuts, and get distracted from his dangerous policies and plan for socializing America.

Then Obama can point to the Right as wackos and nutjobs.

He may be evil, but he is not stupid.


33 posted on 05/06/2009 8:15:26 PM PDT by Cincinna (OBAMA "OH YES! I'M THE GREAT PRETENDER")
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To: penelopesire; BulletBobCo; seekthetruth; television is just wrong; jcsjcm; BP2; Pablo Mac; ...

~~ The subject won’t die ......... PING!


34 posted on 05/06/2009 8:17:11 PM PDT by STARWISE (They (LIBS-STILL) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war- Richard Miniter)
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To: The Brush

“Obama has said that he is a Christian”

IMHO he is not a Christian, he is an Atheist, raised by an Atheist Commie mother, and Atheist Commie grandparents.


35 posted on 05/06/2009 8:17:16 PM PDT by Cincinna (OBAMA "OH YES! I'M THE GREAT PRETENDER")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
...it would throw this country into a constitutional crisis.
No it wouldn't, and her next statement proves it.

Vice President Joe Biden would, obviously, become President Biden. The harrowing part of this taking place is that every appointment made, every piece of legislation signed, and every executive order issued by Barack Obama could, and should, be considered invalid.
There ya go! You boot him, sweep thoroughly and start over with The Gaffe with my tag line following him and the Democrats into perpetual infamy.
I don't get where the "harrowing" part comes from.

36 posted on 05/06/2009 8:17:37 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Doogle

Actually, the language of the 20th Amendment places the burden of proof on the President elect: “if the President elect shall have failed to qualify . . . “


37 posted on 05/06/2009 8:17:43 PM PDT by savedbygrace (You are only leading if someone follows. Otherwise, you just wandered off... [Smokin' Joe])
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

School teachers are not smart!

Those that can do, those that can’t teach!!!!

Arrest and deport the illegal alien from Kenya!!!


38 posted on 05/06/2009 8:18:33 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: tioga

Wow. Got a point there!

Who put this 2+2 together?


39 posted on 05/06/2009 8:19:22 PM PDT by LUV W (Zero is dumb as a rock (dangerously so))
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To: unkus

“The reason that Obama is hiding his birth certificate is that he is son of Frank Marshall Davis”

Frank Marshall Davis, his “mentor” was a Commie who took the nude pictures of Obama’s mother that have recently surfaced. She was 16 at the time.

If you look at videos of Obama speaking, he very much resembles Malcolm X.

Obama’s mother really got around, if you get my drift, and travelled in the same circles as Malcolm X....possible?


40 posted on 05/06/2009 8:20:44 PM PDT by Cincinna (OBAMA "OH YES! I'M THE GREAT PRETENDER")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I believe that obama is not eligible to be the President. I think you're right and that is exactly why he is fighting to keep his real birth certificate sealed. I also wonder if someone (person or persons) in Chicago know and have proof of this, and are "pulling his strings." Why the private blackberry? Who is on the other end of it?

Finally, I believe obama knows he is an illegal President. This is why he is moving so recklessly fast to attempt to implement his socialist agenda for the US. He may know that it is just a matter of time before he is thrown out of office...

41 posted on 05/06/2009 8:21:25 PM PDT by CodeMasterPhilzar (I'll keep my money, my guns, and my freedom. You can keep the "change.")
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To: Cincinna
By witholding it, Obama is making the Right go nuts, and get distracted from his dangerous policies and plan for socializing America.
I call BS! That shtick is as old as dinosaur dung.
The "Right" is hardly going nuts or the issue would be a more prominent one than it currently is. It doesn't even get mentioned any more and isn't even on the radar of the MSM. It's a "settled" issue in their book.
And the rest of the "Right" is all over his policies.
Your argument is BUNK, IMHO!
42 posted on 05/06/2009 8:24:02 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: The Brush

I do not think that the truth will come out, and if it does, it will be disbelieved by the American sheeple.


43 posted on 05/06/2009 8:24:05 PM PDT by Theodore R.
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To: tioga

it was everywhere during the election....I just googled frank marshall davis and found it.


44 posted on 05/06/2009 8:25:57 PM PDT by tioga
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To: Cincinna

Thanks. I figured it was some low life scum.


45 posted on 05/06/2009 8:26:11 PM PDT by unkus
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
her...he
46 posted on 05/06/2009 8:26:55 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: The Brush

I do not think that the truth will come out, and if it does, it will be disbelieved by the American sheeple.


47 posted on 05/06/2009 8:27:04 PM PDT by Theodore R.
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To: All
If the governor of Hawaii has seen the real BC wouldn't she be required by law to spill the beans? If the man in the white house is not legally qualified to be there then the constitution is being violated.
48 posted on 05/06/2009 8:27:42 PM PDT by warsaw44
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To: LUV W

BTW, there are sites showing davis lived in Hawaii at the time and knew the family.....interesting theory.


49 posted on 05/06/2009 8:28:15 PM PDT by tioga
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To: BenLurkin

“”Wishful thinking for those who love America — but Americans can dream I suppose””

...dreams of our fore-fathers....


50 posted on 05/06/2009 8:28:19 PM PDT by Voter62vb
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