Planetary Quandaries Solved: Saturn Is Young

ICR ^ | May 7, 2009 | Brian Thomas, M.S.

[GodGunsGuts]

Planetary Quandaries Solved: Saturn Is Young

by Brian Thomas, M.S.*

NASA’s Cassini spacecraft has been on a mission to gather information on the structure and composition of Saturn, its rings, and its moons. Conventional cosmology holds that the planets of the solar system are billions of years old. But the more that scientists learn about Saturn’s systems, the more they uncover evidence of a young planet...

[GodGunsGuts]

Ping!

[Anitius Severinus Boethius]

Was it the Phish CD spotted on Saturn’s coffee table? If so, Saturn just thinks it’s young.

[Beelzebubba]

Sounds like maybe the rings are just construction debris that hasn’t yet been cleaned up.

[GodGunsGuts]

LOL :o)

[Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus]

Jeff Cuzzi added that if the gravity difference indicated by the simulations was real, it would have propelled some of Saturn’s moons much farther out and certain rings would have comingled by now. Clearly, “the origin and age of Saturn’s rings has been a riddle for decades,” and its riddles remain to be deciphered.

Riddles are much more difficult to solve when you begin from the completely wrong conceptual starting point.

[staytrue]

I have a friend at NASA who says the Casini spacecraft photographed a temple and a man and a woman living there.

It could be the next Adam and Eve.

NASA is covering this up because of the uproar it would cause.

[dmz]

The youthful features of Saturn and its rings are not puzzling at all, considering they were hung in the heavens about 6,000 years ago by the direct action of a Creator.

Is this an example of the creation research that is being done? I guess I was under the impression (from you) that creation research involved science.

Creation research, in this case, appears to be more like 'Houston, we have a problem, let's research the answer in the Bible." And then, voila, the very first words "God created the heavens and earth."

Research done and problem solved.

[MortMan]

Saturn may be young, but with a ring that size, she’s not available...

[LRS]

But, but, I thought this science was settled also...

[stormer]

Wow. Too bad the article mentioned nothing about the age of Saturn, but only its rings. And was I the only on to catch that Brian Thomas M.S.* cites an article named Saturn's rings may not be as young as they look?

[ZX12R]

I have a friend at NASA who says the Casini spacecraft photographed a temple and a man and a woman living there. It could be the next Adam and Eve. NASA is covering this up because of the uproar it would cause.

We need a mission to confirm.

[spodefly]

Saturn is Number 1 on this weeks list of hot, sexy, young planets!

[dead]

The youthful features of Saturn and its rings are not puzzling at all, considering they were hung in the heavens about 6,000 years ago by the direct action of a Creator.

God as an exterior decorator.

It's also possible that the planet is a few billion years old and the youngish rings and moons are the result of a relatively recent collision of larger moons a few hundred million years ago.

[Scythian]

Houston, we have pictures coming in now. There is major Cougar on Saturn, repeat, major Cougar on Saturn ...

[SengirV]

Seems to me that the only ones saying things are settled are the 6Kers. Looks like the scientists are still perplexed and investigating possible scenarios to explain the apparent young appearance of the rings/moons.

[ZX12R]

LOL!

[<1/1,000,000th%]

So according to Brian Thomas, Saturn formed must have formed recently because he doesn’t understand why the rings aren’t shiny?

At least he didn’t major in journalism.

[spodefly]

The youthful features of Saturn and its rings are not puzzling at all, considering they were hung in the heavens about 6,000 years ago by the direct action of a Creator.

Oh dear. I should have read the article before posting my cutesy 'hot young Saturn' photo. I didn't realize what we were dealing with here ...

If everything in the universe is only 6k years old, then why did God try to fool all of us into thinking things are much older? Why were we robbed of that new universe smell?

[GodGunsGuts]

Of course, creation scientists predict that Saturn is young, just as its rings are young. And as more evidence comes in, I’m quite confident that the entire planet of Saturn will tell us she is young, just as Mercury is telling us she is young!!! For more, see the following:

Mercury’s Magnetic Field is Young! (Yet another creationist prediction confirmed by the evidence)

by D. Russell Humphreys

http://creation.com/mercury-s-magnetic-field-is-young

[DTogo]

The youthful features of Saturn and its rings are not puzzling at all, considering they were hung in the heavens about 6,000 years ago by the direct action of a Creator.

Oh, well, if Brian Thomas at the Institute for Creation Research says so, then it must be so...

[Caramelgal]

Wow. Too bad the article mentioned nothing about the age of Saturn, but only its rings. And was I the only on to catch that Brian Thomas M.S.* cites an article named Saturn's rings may not be as young as they look?

That’s because Brian Thomas M.S.* (Science Writer) surfs the worldwideinterweb for science articles, reads them but doesn’t understand them or misinterprets them and then selectively quote mines whatever he thinks might support his 6,000 year old Earth belief.

His writing is more akin to a middle school kid trying to write a term paper for the first time – Wow! I have foot notes! Teacher will be so impressed.

Answers in Genesis and Saturn's Rings

[dmz]

Of course, creation scientists predict that Saturn is young,
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LOL. It would be extremely remarkable if an ICR writer posited an old Saturn. Given that everything they believe centers on a 6000 year old heaven/earth combo, creation scientists believe everything is young by definition.

[GodGunsGuts]

Actually, as a number of creation cosmologists have demonstrated, gravitational time dilation makes it possible for the Earth to be young, and distant stars to be billions of years old, and yet both owe their existence to the SAME creation event. For more, see the following:

http://creation.com/images/pdfs/cabook/chapter5.pdf

[GodGunsGuts]

See reply #20 and #24, if you would like to know more.

[COBOL2Java]

Sounds like maybe the rings are just construction debris that hasn’t yet been cleaned up.

Were't the rings Slartibartfast's idea?

[Sawdring]

Whoops, thought this was a scientific article.

[mikrofon]

Saturn’s are indeed “young”, but the Lord of GM* has decreed that no more are to be created...

[Boogieman]

I think he was mainly in charge of fjords.

[DTogo]

Does a 5+ billion year-old universe somehow disprove the existence of God? If not, what’s the big deal?

[GodGunsGuts]

He has a Master’s degree in biotchnology from an approved Temple of Darwin university. So I’m pretty sure that he understands evo-science a tad better than a middle school kid.

[Caramelgal]

Actually, as a number of creation cosmologists have demonstrated, gravitational time dilation makes it possible for the Earth to be young, and distant stars to be billions of years old, and yet both owe their existence to the SAME creation event.

Now if “creation cosmetologists” could find a way to use gravitational time dilation to make me to appear much younger than the DOB on my driver’s license, then I’ll be impressed.

For more, see the following:

Gravitational time dilation

And

The speed of light was faster in the past

[itsahoot]

But, but, I thought this science was settled also...

Science is always settled, until it becomes unsettled, but soon it is settled again, until it becomes unsettled.............

[GodGunsGuts]

Not at all. As creation cosmologists have been pointing out for years now, gravitational time dilation makes it possible for the Earth to be thousands of years old, and the outer reaches of the Universe to be billions of years old, and yet both owe their existence to the SAME creation event. See the following for a good layman’s overview:

http://creation.com/images/pdfs/cabook/chapter5.pdf

[dmz]

Actually, as a number of creation cosmologists have demonstrated
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Have they demonstrated it (empirical) or suggested that it could be possible?

[Alamo-Girl]

Thanks for the ping!

[GodGunsGuts]

Your links prove nothing except your own ignorance. Yes, creation cosmologists flirted with the idea of light speed decay, but abandoned it long ago. But what your source fails to mention is that the Evo Big Bangers have proposed light speed decay to solve their own horizon problem. And as for your garvitational time dilation link, it asks us to accept the Evo-argument on authority. You’re really batting a thousand there, Caramelgal...LOL!

[Nipplemancer]

he won an award for the fjords of norway! the mice especially liked them.

[varmintman]

Three or four of our planets including Earth, Mars, Saturn, and possibly one other have axial tilts set at around 25 degrees off the planet of the system; that’s what you’d expect when a larger system captures a smaller one, rare in the universe but not impossible. The ancient name “El” meant Saturn. All of the myriad biblical names and place names ending in ‘el’ meant something-or-other-Saturn: Isra-el, Rapha-el, Gabra-el, Dani-el... “Babel” meant “Saturn Gate” or something like that.

[Caramelgal]

He has a Master’s degree in biotchnology from an approved Temple of Darwin university. So I’m pretty sure that he understands evo-science a tad better than a middle school kid.

I presume you mean “biotechnology”. That could apply to a wide range of areas of focus including Pharmacogenomics and Agricultural applications.

I’d really be interested to know more about Mr. Thomas’s credentials, what school he graduated from and aside from writing articles for ICR and AIG, what is his professional background, where has he worked and what has he accomplished as even Creationwiki has no biography on him. And one would think that the Institute for Creation Research would use something more impressive behind his name than “Science Writer”.

Doing a web search on Brian Thomas M.S brings up only articles he’s written for creationist websites and some dentist in Florida (who also has an M.S behind his name).

That being said, while getting a Master’s degree is not easy, it’s also not indicative of a person’s creditability to write authoritatively on subjects outside of his area of expertise – in this case – someone with a degree in biotechnology writing about astronomy for instance or an MBA writing an article on auto mechanics.

It’s also been my experience that there are some people with a Masters degree that obviously did very well in school but who in real life applications of that degree were complete idiots. I’ve worked with several MBA’s with CPA’s who had difficulty grasping even basic accounting.

But with or without Mr. Thomas’s degree, the articles you post by him are poorly written and demonstrate a lack of any understanding of the topic he’s writing about and I would expect someone with a Masters degree to do better.

[GodGunsGuts]

Brian Thomas earned his Master of Science in Biotechnology from Stephen F. Austin State University, TX, in December of 1999. He taught Principles of Biology I and II, and General Chemistry I at Navarro College in Waxahachie, TX from 2003-2005. He also taught Undergraduate Biology, Chemistry, Microbiology and Anatomy Lab at Dallas Baptist University from 2005-2008. Here is his thesis paper:

http://devo.sfasu.edu/ipac20/ipac.jsp?session=U2Y6729B43491.129567&profile=sfa&source=~!marquis&view=subscriptionsummary&uri=full=3100001~!846125~!0&ri=1&aspect=basic_search&menu=search&ipp=20&spp=20&staffonly=&term=preparation+of+ligands&index=.GW&uindex=&aspect=basic_search&menu=search&ri=1#focus

[Hot Tabasco]

Sounds like maybe the rings are just construction debris that hasn’t yet been cleaned up.

Send it here to Michigan, we're currently taking Canada's trash, might as well accept Saturn's too..........

[GodGunsGuts]

PS I think his writing is awesome, as good or better than the layman’s articles I read in Discover, New Scientist, PhysOrg, etc.

[Caramelgal]

Your links prove nothing except your own ignorance. Yes, creation cosmologists flirted with the idea of light speed decay, but abandoned it long ago. But what your source fails to mention is that the Evo Big Bangers have proposed light speed decay to solve their own horizon problem. And as for your garvitational time dilation link, it asks us to accept the Evo-argument on authority. You’re really batting a thousand there, Caramelgal...LOL!

Excuse me but it was your posts #24 and #34 both contained the following:

As creation cosmologists have been pointing out for years now, gravitational time dilation makes it possible for the Earth to be thousands of years old, and the outer reaches of the Universe to be billions of years old, and yet both owe their existence to the SAME creation event. See the following for a good layman’s overview:

http://creation.com/images/pdfs/cabook/chapter5.pdf

The first link I provided was a refutation of those false assumptions. Sorry you didn’t like them.

[GodGunsGuts]

I think what I said went over your head. Evo Big Bangers have proposed light speed decay to solve their own horizon problem. Do you understand what I mean by this. Would you like me to explain it to you?

And again, your source supposedly debunking the gravitational time dilation in various creationist cosmologies relies on authority, not science. Surely you can do better than that?

[MrB]

Just like the opposing conclusions that conservatives vs liberals reach on every topic,

when you start from an invalid premise (ie, a lie),

you’ll always come to an errant conclusion.

“man is basically good” gets you liberalism, ie, error.
“Man is a fallen sinner” gets you the correct conclusions.

Both sets of conclusions are logically arrived at, but from different starting assumptions.

[MrB]

The Truth is there...
we’re just curious about the “how”.

[dmz]

I don’t see any real interest in the how with this article when it clearly states: “The youthful features of Saturn and its rings are not puzzling at all, considering they were hung in the heavens about 6,000 years ago by the direct action of a Creator.”

How was it done? by the direct action of the Creator.

[Caramelgal]

Brian Thomas earned his Master of Science in Biotechnology from Stephen F. Austin State University, TX, in December of 1999. He taught Principles of Biology I and II, and General Chemistry I at Navarro College in Waxahachie, TX from 2003-2005. He also taught Undergraduate Biology, Chemistry, Microbiology and Anatomy Lab at Dallas Baptist University from 2005-2008. Here is his thesis paper:

Sorry GGG but your link doesn’t work.

FYI - Stephen F. Austin State University is primarily a teacher’s and agricultural college and not exactly on the forefront of cutting edge scientific research. It is also ranked as a Tier 4 school, so color me very unimpressed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_F._Austin_State_University

So he graduated with his MS in 1999 but didn’t get a teaching job until 2003? No recorded of what he did in between?

And got a teaching job at Navarro College? A small two year Tier 4 school? But hey,“ Navarro College was recently named “The Fastest-Growing Public Two-Year College in the Nation” by Community College Week.”

http://www.navarrocollege.edu/about.php?id=12&bizgroup=About%20NC

Dallas Baptist University?

“Dallas Baptist University (DBU), formerly known as Dallas Baptist College, is a Christian liberal arts university located in Dallas, Texas…. The university is known for its commitment to a Christ-centered education, focusing on integrating Biblical faith and learning.”

Thank you very much for posting Brian Thomas’s esteemed credentials. :),

[Ole Okie]

Sounds like maybe the rings are just construction debris that hasn’t yet been cleaned up.

Yeah, there's probably a punch list a mile long waiting for the contractor.