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IS NATURE ONE MEAN MOTHER? (the Medea Hypothesis)
MSNBC ^ | May 06, 2009 | Alan Boyle

Posted on 05/07/2009 11:36:22 AM PDT by presidio9

Swine flu? Global warming? Toxic oceans? Why does Mother Nature sometimes seem to be on the attack? According to the decades-old "Gaia hypothesis," it's because Earth is a self-regulating system that is responding to our own excesses. In a new book titled "The Vanishing Face of Gaia," British biologist James Lovelock says humanity is "Earth's infection."

"Individuals occasionally suffer a disease called polycythaemia, an overpopulation of red blood cells. By analogy, Gaia's illness could be called polyanthroponemia, where humans overpopulate until they do more harm than good," Lovelock writes. He says the cure won't come until the human tribe is trimmed back from its current 6.8 billion to, say, 1 billion people.

-SNIP-

"I hypothesize that life and its processes, together often referred to as 'Mother Nature,' was, is, and will be anything but a good mother to her many evolved and evolving species," Ward contends in his new book, "The Medea Hypothesis."

Gaia vs. Medea ... that sounds like the start of a philosophical catfight.

-SNIP-

The way Ward sees it, we're the solution, not the problem. "In the short term, we are responsible for 'Medean' effects, but it's going to be our long-term stewardship and engineering that makes things work," he said. "I view humans as the only Gaians on the planet. Everything else is Medean."

While Lovelock uses "Gaia" to refer to Earth's biosphere as a kindly mother goddess, Ward uses "Medea" as a reference to the mother in Greek myth who killed her own children. Ward says life, like Medea, eventually sows the seeds of its own near-destruction - over and over again. "Life boils up and bubbles up, and through its own waste products and activities makes the planet no longer inhabitable,"

(Excerpt) Read more at cosmiclog.msnbc.msn.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: gaia; godsgravesglyphs; medea

1 posted on 05/07/2009 11:36:22 AM PDT by presidio9
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To: presidio9
British biologist James Lovelock says humanity is "Earth's infection."

If Mr. Lovelock were sincere, he would commit suicide immediately.

But he doesn't want to commit suicide.

He wants OTHER PEOPLE to commit suicide.

For their own good, of course.

2 posted on 05/07/2009 11:38:33 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Muslims reserve the right to kill anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: presidio9

The ninety-year old Lovelock had some stark comments in his “NewScientist” interview.

“Most of the ‘green’ stuff is verging on a gigantic scam. Carbon trading..is just what finance and industry wanted. It’s not going to do a damn thing about climate change, but it’ll make a lot of money for a lot of people..”


3 posted on 05/07/2009 11:41:30 AM PDT by WOBBLY BOB (ACORN:American Corruption for Obama Right Now)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I can come up with a fairy lengthy list of folks that could do with ‘trimming’.


4 posted on 05/07/2009 11:41:36 AM PDT by rjsimmon (1-20-2013)
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To: presidio9
leftard sells crappy newage book, leftarded media pushes aforementioned crappy newage book, making it into a "story".

Global warming? No.

Toxic oceans? No.

Swine flu? Damp squib.

Do you think maybe if we get a dude dressed like Obama to jump off a cliff they'll all follow him?
5 posted on 05/07/2009 11:41:38 AM PDT by chuck_the_tv_out (click my name)
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To: presidio9

“I hypothesize...”

I.e. “I imagined it and liked what I imagined, so I’m going to fancy it to be true, without a shred of evidence.”


6 posted on 05/07/2009 11:41:58 AM PDT by rightwingcrazy
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To: presidio9

7 posted on 05/07/2009 11:42:07 AM PDT by jakerobins
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To: presidio9
the cure won't come until the human tribe is trimmed back

Fine. Democrats first.

8 posted on 05/07/2009 11:42:27 AM PDT by Free State Four
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To: presidio9

Oh wait, I thought he said, "Madea."

9 posted on 05/07/2009 11:43:34 AM PDT by dfwgator (1996 2006 2008 - Good Things Come in Threes)
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To: presidio9

Crack meet Pot. These guys fit the definition of an “expert” that I recently heard - a person that knows more and more about less and less until he knows everything about nothing. And of course the “defects” in the earth are explained in Genesis, but I doubt either of these children of “mother earth” have bothered with the explanation provided by the Creator. Anyway their musing are good for a laugh.


10 posted on 05/07/2009 11:45:15 AM PDT by BienHoa69-70 RVN
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To: presidio9
British biologist James Lovelock says humanity is "Earth's infection."

That's original, I wonder where he came up with that idea?

11 posted on 05/07/2009 11:46:55 AM PDT by Brett66 (Where government advances, and it advances relentlessly , freedom is imperiled -Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: BienHoa69-70 RVN

A groaning creation...


12 posted on 05/07/2009 11:48:17 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Beat a better path, and the world will build a mousetrap at your door.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I think that about sums it up.


13 posted on 05/07/2009 11:49:29 AM PDT by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: WOBBLY BOB

ie AL Gore.


14 posted on 05/07/2009 11:50:01 AM PDT by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: presidio9
"Individuals occasionally suffer a disease called polycythaemia, an overpopulation of red blood cells.

Individuals also occasionally suffer a disease called self-loathing hysteria, an overamplification of pomposity mixed with idiocy.

15 posted on 05/07/2009 11:52:18 AM PDT by Flycatcher (God speaks to us, through the supernal lightness of birds, in a special type of poetry.)
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To: presidio9

It isn’t the happiest analogy, actually. The Earth’s population at the time of the Black Death was only about 400 million. Maybe 250 million at the time of the Plague of Justinian. Disease may be a lot of things but Mother Gaia throwing a snit probably isn’t one of them. IMHO.


16 posted on 05/07/2009 11:54:02 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: presidio9
From Genesis 3:17 "To Adam he said, "Because you listened to your wife and ate from the tree about which I commanded you, 'You must not eat of it,' "Cursed is the ground because of you;

It is part of the Curse.

17 posted on 05/07/2009 11:57:35 AM PDT by sr4402
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To: presidio9

An entire article on the medean effect, and they never define it.

Mass extinctions due to meteor stikes means Earth is set up to prevent over population? Stupidity. How does a supposedly intelligent person mistake chance for intent?


18 posted on 05/07/2009 12:16:08 PM PDT by Hacklehead (Liberalism is the art of taking what works, breaking it, and then blaming conservatives.)
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To: presidio9
He says the cure won't come until the human tribe is trimmed back from its current 6.8 billion to, say, 1 billion people.

He is the earth doctor, and he's found a cure! All we need to do is "trim" 5.8 billion people, and Gaia will be happy once again!

In previous times guys like this were called witch doctors.

19 posted on 05/07/2009 12:21:23 PM PDT by spodefly (This is my tag line. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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To: Hacklehead
Mass extinctions due to meteor stikes means Earth is set up to prevent over population? Stupidity. How does a supposedly intelligent person mistake chance for intent?

Incidently, if I'm willing to accept that "Mother Earth" controls everything that takes place on the planet, how does that translate into sunspots or ateroids tens of millions of miles from earth, which set out on orbits 5 billion years ago which would eventually cross paths with Gia, and send the asteroids crashing into us?

20 posted on 05/07/2009 12:40:15 PM PDT by presidio9 ("a stable once had something inside it that was bigger than our whole world," -Lucy Pevensie)
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To: presidio9

“British biologist James Lovelock says humanity is “Earth’s infection.”

I’m sure the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost appreciate that, Doc.


21 posted on 05/07/2009 1:00:12 PM PDT by wolfcreek ("unnamed "right-wing extremist")
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To: WOBBLY BOB

Lovelock is ninety? Using his own logic, he should have killed himself years ago.


22 posted on 05/07/2009 1:02:35 PM PDT by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
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To: presidio9

And yet mankind in any appreciable density only inhabits “maybe” 10% of the earth’s surface, and SIGNIFICANTLY LESS if we consider the entire volume of the planet.

And we’re the problem?

If you think for a second about the paragraph above, you will soon realize how ridiculous Al Gore’s “global warming” scare really is.

God told me to take dominion over His creation and that is what I am doing. And the earth is far better for man’s dominion.


23 posted on 05/07/2009 1:24:02 PM PDT by Kandy Atz ("Were we directed from Washington when to sow and when to reap, we should soon want for bread.")
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To: presidio9

If he believes his own theory then why is he advocating interference in “earth’s affairs”? Why not just sit back and let Mother Nature Resist Humans? Why doesn’t he meddle so much. If Earth’s immune system is fighting us all off, then LET IT!

“We shouldn’t interfere with Earth’s Natural processes”
“We should interfere with Earth’s Natural Processes when it comes to artificially culling the human herd down to 1 billion people!”

WTF????!!!!

If he believes in Gaia so damned much then let her work her magic and stop bitching about it!!!!

What an idiot, in his own mind we are evolved from apes, which are part of Nature, by the transitive property WE ARE AN EXTENSION OF THE EARTH!!!! By screwing with our population to limit is we are doing just as much messing around with it as anyone who invents a new medicine to prevent a plague.

Some consistency would be nice.


24 posted on 05/07/2009 1:31:27 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: Kandy Atz

Mankind does not occupy anywhere near 10% of the surface of the planet, 60% of which is covered by water. The entire human population of planet could fit in the state of Connecticut, our 48th largest state.


25 posted on 05/07/2009 1:36:04 PM PDT by presidio9 ("a stable once had something inside it that was bigger than our whole world," -Lucy Pevensie)
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He says the cure won't come until the human tribe is trimmed back from its current 6.8 billion to, say, 1 billion people.

The standard New Age high sacrament, although many times it is given as a total of only 500 million, so Mr. Lovelock is actually being quite generous...

Google "Georgia Guidestones"

The Godless, New Age 10 commandments are carved into this monument on American soil.

Here they are for you who don't want to search:

MAINTAIN HUMANITY UNDER 500,000,000 IN PERPETUAL BALANCE WITH NATURE

GUIDE REPRODUCTION WISELY — IMPROVING FITNESS AND DIVERSITY

UNITE HUMANITY WITH A LIVING NEW LANGUAGE

RULE PASSION — FAITH — TRADITION AND ALL THINGS WITH TEMPERED REASON

PROTECT PEOPLE AND NATIONS WITH FAIR LAWS AND JUST COURTS

LET ALL NATIONS RULE INTERNALLY RESOLVING EXTERNAL DISPUTES IN A WORLD COURT

AVOID PETTY LAWS AND USELESS OFFICIALS

BALANCE PERSONAL RIGHTS WITH SOCIAL DUTIES.

PRIZE TRUTH — BEAUTY — LOVE — SEEKING HARMONY WITH THE INFINITE

BE NOT A CANCER ON THE EARTH — LEAVE ROOM FOR NATURE — LEAVE ROOM FOR NATURE

Click

Looks like we're well on our way to Utopia.

26 posted on 05/07/2009 3:10:03 PM PDT by JOAT
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27 posted on 05/07/2009 6:44:21 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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28 posted on 05/07/2009 6:48:22 PM PDT by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: presidio9

Or perhaps, we live in a world that is cursed as a result of the Fall, and there is coming a New Heaven and New Earth when all will be made right again!


29 posted on 05/07/2009 9:18:31 PM PDT by LiteKeeper (When do the impeachment proceedings begin?)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Apparently Camus has fallen out of favor with the left. They no longer want to do anything significant with their lives.
30 posted on 05/07/2009 9:24:20 PM PDT by kitchen (One battle rifle for each person, and a spare for each pair.)
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