Skip to comments.Chris Matthews Portrays GOP as Anti-Science (Challenges Mike Pence about Evolution & Climate Change)
Posted on 05/07/2009 8:00:32 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
Chris Matthews apparently thinks the GOP is just one big bag of crazy.
MSNBC's "Hardball" host challenged Rep. Mike Pence (R-Indiana) on the Republican Party's commitment to addressing climate change during the May 5 broadcast. Matthews claimed to Pence that the GOP is not passionate about environmentalism because, "There are people that really are against science in your party who really do question not just the science behind the climate change but the science behind evolutionary fact, that we were taught - you and I - in our biology books. They don't accept the scientific method. They believe in belief itself."
Matthews prefaced his argument with, "There are people on your side of the argument who believe that all the prehistoric bones we've discovered in this world, all the dinosaur bones and all that stuff was somehow planted there by liberal scientists to make the case against the Bible."
Pence called Matthews' argument "an interesting straw man" and a "caricature."
Matthews then confronted Pence about evolution, "I think you believe in evolution but you're afraid to say so because your conservative constituency might find that offensive." Matthews continued harping on Pence's belief that "God created the heavens and the Earth, the seas and all that is in them" by saying, "you don't believe that, you don't, you don't take a fundamentalist view of, of the seven days of creation do you?"
Later Matthews offered unnamed "polls that show that a huge percentage of the American people don't believe in evolution ... don't believe in climate change" as proof that the GOP is not "passionately committed to science or to fighting global warming or to dealing with the scientific facts we live with."
And what would a "Hardball" broadcast be without the obligatory swipes at well-known conservatives? Matthew told Pence, "The troubled is that your, your Rush-, your Mt. Rushmore now includes Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck, Sarah Palin and these characters that don't share either your intellect or your honesty."
Wednesday's edition of "Hardball" featured another discussion of evolution, this time with former Republican presidential hopeful and representative Tom Tancredo. Matthews repeated his characterization of the Republican party as anti-science:
Let me talk to you about what I think are the extremes on this position. One extreme would be there is no God, it`s all sort of random, we all ended up here, we don`t even know why we`re here. Right? That would be a random totally secular view of everything. I don`t think you or I are at that end.
The other end would be, "It's like it's written down in the Bible, we don't have to figure out science, it's all there." And if you really get into the Bible and you're totally literal about it -- I don't want to knock anybody's belief -- you get to the point of having to deny all the fossils out there because they all pre-dated 4,000 years of written history in the Bible, back to Adam and Eve, through the prophets all the way back. And then you have -- then you get into that crazy idea, Well, there's a bunch of liberals that went around and buried all these bones in the ground to make it look like there was ancient history.
Matthews followed up this argument by saying, "Well, I don't think most people believe that. I think except the fact there were dinosaurs that were around here millions of years ago. It wasn't covered in the Bible, et cetera, et cetera."
So if Matthews doesn't think most people believe the ideas he put forth, why bring it up at all?
Right. Because it makes the GOP look crazy.
Colleen Raezler is a research assistant at the Culture and Media Institute
The Intelligent Design site, Uncommon Descent, had this to say :
“This may come as a surprise to many of you, but Science, at least according to Chris Matthews, is a Democrat thing. Personally, I was unaware that there was a deomcrat way to do science and a republican way to do science. Someone might explain to me how that works. Is there a left scientific method and a right scientific method? Matthews certainly seems to think so! How ignorant and disingenous of him! (But, were talking about Chris Matthews here, the most misinformed commentator on the networks as far as Im concerned)
Its worth noting how Matthews tries to build a straw man about Young Earth Creationism (YEC) and then claim that there a many in the Republican party who hold that view and who are anti-science. Matthews demonstrates admirably the lefts derision of anyone who would dare question evolution, stem cell research, global warming and who knows what else. Matthews appears clueless about the real debates in science about all these things, and ignores completely any of the moral questions involved, pretending, I guess, that they dont even exist!
Ill grant that Mike Pence is not exactly the best spokesperson for Science and scientific issues, but trying to tie him to YEC and Fundamentalism only shows how shallow guys like Matthew and those on the left really are. Matthews did a great job of making a fool of himself but then, he does that almost every night. Thats why MSNBC has the lowest rating of all the news networks.”
Chris Matthews uses the “tinglie leg” method of determination ... if his leg tingles then it must be right ...
Matthews couldnt win an argument with a shower curtain, let alone with anyone who has an IQ above room temperature.
Any conservative that goes on that show is a stupid putz.
People are being tested. One should not be embarrassed by the word of God. If you are, then have failed the test as a servant of God
Yep. And I just get a tingle up my leg knowing this :)
Why couldn’t Pence give a direct answer?
Yeah - we questioned the science behind The Population Bomb and the Club of Rome and the "science" behind the next ice age in the 70's. etc. etc. etc.
The global warming lie is about as anti-science as any fraud scheme to have come down the pike.
I second that sentiment.
Chris Matthews is an old Democratic political hack. Maybe he should discuss something important, like spending trillions of dollars we don’t have, insulting our friends, sucking up to our enemies, etc.
At this point, Hissy-fit and Olbermeister are paid to make complete fools of themselves, as there’s no other explanation.
Our hamster has more sense than these two put together.
I'm reminded of a passage in one of my favorite science books, by Timothy Ferris -- "Coming of Age in the Milky Way" -- whereby he posits about how an Atom-smasher is like taking a hammer to a Watch to see what might come flying out of it, and then asks: How did the Watch get put together in the first place?
Ferris doesn't actually say the exact word, but he alludes to it with the above question --- only God could put this intricate complex system together.
Anti-science democrats deny the scientific fact that human life begins at conception.
Now we’re getting it direct from the MSM... won’t the Evo’s on FR be proud?
Maybe they’ll get a tingle up there leg when they listen to Chris Matthews now.
But that’s not what he did. He tried to straddle the fence. Either he has faith it’s the fact or he says you know, it’s open for interpretation and further revelation.
“Chris let’s just focus on the Climate so I don’t overwhelm your intellect and to prevent you from changing subjects when your scientific knowledge fails to support your ideology.”
Chrissy Matthews portrays himself as just another little loudmouth trying to make a name for himself idiot..
“...to tie him to YEC and Fundamentalism...”
There’s nothing wrong with either of them!!..
Thanks for the ping!
Who watches MSNBC anyway?
This man and his church believe you cant have science without God.
Monsignor Georges Henri Joseph Édouard Lemaître (July 17, 1894 June 20, 1966) was a Belgian Roman Catholic priest, honorary prelate, professor of physics and astronomer at the Catholic University of Leuven. He sometimes used the title Abbé or Monseigneur.
Lemaître proposed what became known as the Big Bang theory of the origin of the Universe, which he called his hypothesis of the primeval atom.
It's not entirely implausible that the MSNBC hosts are closely related to
chimpanzees. Or that they would obsess on the hysteria of Darwinism, evolution,
and liberal metrosexual paranoid fears about mythical backwoods fundamentalists
interfering with their nocturnal "science" experiments... You just wonder how often this is a problem for him in Montgomery County. Do they wander in from
Mt. Airy and accost him in White Flint, demanding to renounce his infatuation
with prehistoric monkey bones and the imaginary big hairy rural swamp monsters
of his leg-thrilling fantasies?
Considering that a large faction of the liberal electorate and Obama's supporters
think that pregnancy can be prevented by copulating while standing up or
douching with Coca-Cola afterwards, this anti-science protest seems a little off just a tad.Let's get the Dems up to speed on basic science before casting stones here.
Did anyone see the South Park episode where religion is eliminated and in the future atheists say things like “Science damn it” and “Oh my science.”
Sometimes those cats are really ahead of the game.
Chrissie started getting that tiongli8ng feeling up his leg again..
Well, that’s what happens when you have pinheads who don’t know anything about “science”, who then proceed to confuse “evolution” and “science”.
Pris Mouthspews is a tingle leg idiot.
To say nothing of that Austrian monk, Gregor Mendel.
Mr. Mathews, have you made any sort of an in depth study of the theory of evolution, and the problems associated with it?
Are you aware of the studies which were carried out over a multi-decades period in the last century involving fruit flies and how miserably evolution failed that test? Are you aware that several top scientists publicly renounced evolution on account of those tests?
Are you aware of the immense problem which the fossil record presented for classical Darwinian gradualism and of the many statements which scientists have made describing evolution as incompatible with the fossil record?
Are you aware that Steve Gould and Nyles Eldredge tried to devise a new version of evolution, called 'punctuated equilibria' to patch up that problem, but that punctuated equilibria has problems just as big and is in fact a pure pseudoscience since it involves a claim of validation by lack of evidence instead of by evidence?
Are you aware of the Haldane dilemma and the gigantic time periods, greater than the assumed age of the universe in fact, whichevolution would take to create our present biosphere even if that were possible, which in actual fact it is not?
Are you aware that scientists and researchers are now finding blood, blood vessels, and other kinds of soft tissue inside dinosaur bones and of what that does to the time scales which evolution requires?
Mr. Mathews, you asked me if I believe in evolution; Do I look like an idiot to you? In actual fact only idiots believe in or defend evolution in today's world,people with brains and talent gave up on it decades ago.
Mr. Mathews, is there some reason why you didn't check any of this out before asking your arrogant question which seeks to frame Republicans as ignorant bible thumpers?
Matthews is hardly the man to be speaking of intellect,or honesty.
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Crissy Matthews and Barbara Walters are one in the same person
[[People are being tested. One should not be embarrassed by the word of God. If you are, then have failed the test as a servant of God]]
Dangit- then I want a do over
Let me get this straight. The only people that can have Science are Democrats, atheists, and blind followers of Evolution? I call your bluff Mr. Hardball. I call your bluff. Science is not yours, nor is it the liberals, nor is it the sheeple’s who follow the Evolutionists. Science is about finding the truth using tools of measurement and observations, it is not about: worshiping Darwin, finding alternatives to God and hoping, or your party of baby killers claiming it as their own and smearing its integrity across miles of cow dung.