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Cop Arrests Girl for Swearing During 911 Call
YouTube ^ | 07 May 2009 | Steve Wilson

Posted on 05/08/2009 9:59:47 AM PDT by BGHater

Action News 7 | Lincoln Park, Michigan, cop hangs up on girl while father has convulsions.

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Cop Arrests Girl for Swearing During 911 Call[Video]


TOPICS: Government; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: 911; 911rage; abuseofpower; donutwatch; michigan; police; swearing
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1 posted on 05/08/2009 9:59:47 AM PDT by BGHater
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To: BGHater

Short answer, if you are ever being attacked and want police response immediately. Say “officer down!”.


2 posted on 05/08/2009 10:01:03 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (If Liberals are so upset over torture, why did they mock John McCains stiff arms during the campaign)
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To: BGHater

Wow. I hope that jackass get fired before he gets sued.


4 posted on 05/08/2009 10:02:43 AM PDT by LongElegantLegs (not restricting a freedom, but punishing those who abuse their freedom to the detriment of others.)
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To: BGHater

I read the transcripts on this.

If you are calling for help, keep your language clean. This girl was verbally abusive, and the 911 operator simply doesn’t have to take this kind of abuse; no one should.


5 posted on 05/08/2009 10:03:16 AM PDT by Hodar (Who needs laws .... when this "feels" so right?)
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To: BGHater

Vulgar or not, swearing is considered free speech. Supreme Court case Cohen Vs. California.


6 posted on 05/08/2009 10:05:43 AM PDT by Travis T. OJustice (I can spell just fine, thanks, it's my typing that sucks.)
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To: Hodar

The servant gets paid to take the abuse. They are simply words, it’s not his job to play word smith, but to serve and place 911 information.

If the servant cant handle a potty mouth, he needs to quit.


7 posted on 05/08/2009 10:06:53 AM PDT by BGHater (It's easy to be a Conservative now.)
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To: BGHater

I learned the hard way a long time ago you take you chances anytime you call 911. If the cops dont try to blame you or suspect you of something then the perpetrator will come after you when he/she beats the rap. I will never call 911 again unless it is to report a fire or a car accident.


8 posted on 05/08/2009 10:07:02 AM PDT by DogBarkTree (Support The American Tea Party)
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To: BGHater

Cop needs to be disciplined.

Girl needs her mouth washed out.


9 posted on 05/08/2009 10:09:11 AM PDT by PAR35
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To: Hodar

The first priority for a 911 operator must always be saving lives. All the rest can be dealt with later. Callers (such as the girl in question) are understandably stressed, and often panicking. A professional 911 operator would understand that.

The operator was wrong, wrong, wrong!


10 posted on 05/08/2009 10:09:32 AM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: BGHater

I don’t care what she said on the phone, that ignorant [expletive] needs to do his job and take it seriously. Sometimes people with emergencies might panic and overreact. Just brush it off and do your job. Instead he puts a human life possibly at risk by delaying help because of his personal views. I hope he’s “dispatched” from his job. Oh, and then sued.


11 posted on 05/08/2009 10:09:50 AM PDT by AbeKrieger (If global warming didn't exist, Al Gore would have had to invent it.)
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To: Hodar

Whoa! You watched that video, including the taped calls, and you are siding with the paid, trained professional rather than with the frantic girl? Unbelievable!


12 posted on 05/08/2009 10:09:55 AM PDT by rogue yam
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To: Hodar

The girl, only 17, was frustrated and upset. I’m sure she would have calmed, had he provided immediate assistance.


13 posted on 05/08/2009 10:10:32 AM PDT by Tx Angel
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To: a fool in paradise

As a 20 year retired LEO, I am embarrassed by stories such as this. I always thought of law enforcement as a career not a job. I’ve made mistakes, but I don’t think they were egregious as those I’ve been reading about on FR lately.

I can think of many reasons why we are in this position today and all of them deal with pushing promotions of low-experienced officers into the command ranks.

In my own department,you needed 5 years experience as a patrol officer in order to take a promotional exam. Now you can be promoted in only 2 years. These young command officers then leave the streets and work in bureaus and become the Chiefs that make decisions that impact all.

I look back on my own career and think about the “crusty” sergeants I worked for and am thankful for their years of experience that I was the beneficiary of.

It’s a shame the way the profession is headed.

Just one opinion.


15 posted on 05/08/2009 10:11:18 AM PDT by offduty (Joe Biden is still looking for the video tape of FDR's address to the nation.)
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To: Hodar

She was intemperate, but not abusive. He was the same to her and didn’t do his job. He wasn’t so tender, with such delicate sensibilities that he could not have found out what was wrong. you don’t call 911 to get a lesson in etiquette.


16 posted on 05/08/2009 10:13:33 AM PDT by DeLaine (Youth frequently stands ready to demand their inexperience be heard.)
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To: a fool in paradise

or tell them that there has been a fire arm discharge - that gets them to the place real quick. (lots of them) - I wont ever call 911 unless my house is on fire or I’m having a severe medical issue


17 posted on 05/08/2009 10:13:58 AM PDT by ezoeni
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To: BGHater

My $.02? The cop should be reprimanded. He appears to have made no attempt to calm the caller down. When someone’s calling 911 and cursing you have to assume it’s because the situation is dire not that they simply have a foul mouth. He didn’t seem to make any attempt to get the information he simply hung up on her.


18 posted on 05/08/2009 10:16:41 AM PDT by Glock19C
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To: BGHater
The thing is, the girl didn't even know she was connected when she first started saying 'F--!'. The number was dialling and she was just muttering it under her breath in frustration while she waited for someone to get on the line. She didn't realise anyone could already hear her. The cop got on the line and started admonishing her before she ever knowingly said 'F---' to him.

And I am certain he hears his colleagues say 'F---' all day long and it doesn't bother him at all.

Incidently, on that same Youtube page you can link to another video where a motorist just goes completely nuts at the cop and the cop just remains really stoical. It's hilarious in a way. If I had been the cop I don't know if I could have been that calm.

Crazy motorist shouting at cop

19 posted on 05/08/2009 10:22:29 AM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: Hodar

Indeed no one should have to take this abuse, however, it is her father who is suffering the consequences. He was the one having convulsions, right? And he wasn’t abusing anybody.


20 posted on 05/08/2009 10:23:52 AM PDT by Marie2 (The second mouse gets the cheese.)
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To: a fool in paradise
Short answer, if you are ever being attacked and want police response immediately. Say “officer down!”.

Yeah! Then you get arrested for false reporting and have to pay a lawyer a couple grand to keep your clever @$$ out of jail!

Sure sounds like fun to me...

21 posted on 05/08/2009 10:24:43 AM PDT by TChris (There is no freedom without the possibility of failure.)
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To: Hodar
  Good grief, this girl wasn't abusive at all.  I shoot with a dozen LEOs multiple times a week and have dinner with them afterwards.  There isn't a one of them that would consider this girl's language abusive, but I'm quite sure they would all like to run this type out of the ranks. 

On the other hand, unfortunately there is an enormous amount of information we don't know about.  If I worked with this officer daily for years and he was a very good and professional cop, I'd give him a break.
22 posted on 05/08/2009 10:24:43 AM PDT by HawaiianGecko (Obama: "I didn't authorize attacks on those pirates." I authorized a tax on those pirates!")
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To: BGHater

If your a 911 operator/cop and can’t take the heat....you know you the rest.


23 posted on 05/08/2009 10:25:03 AM PDT by Dallas59 ("You know the one with the big ears? He might be yours, but he ain't my president.")
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To: Hodar
If you are calling for help, keep your language clean. This girl was verbally abusive, and the 911 operator simply doesn’t have to take this kind of abuse; no one should.

Actually if you work for the government I can't imagine what abuse you don't deserve. . .
24 posted on 05/08/2009 10:26:09 AM PDT by Filo (Darwin was right!)
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To: offduty

Thanks for your service and for sharing your observations. There is much to be said for the concept of time-in-grade.


25 posted on 05/08/2009 10:28:19 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (May God save America from its government; this is no time for Obamateurs. Emmanuel = Haldeman?)
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To: TChris

It’d be under false pretense but it’d get the response that could save your life.

Police were on the scene WATCHING when the man in Texas shot the home invaders who were approaching his property.

911 operator instructed him not to shoot.

Officers were waiting for backup while the man was instructed not to protect himself.

You are on your own in this world if you want to follow all of the procedures.

Why should they give a faster response time to one of their own men down rather than a civilian? A dead man is still a dead man. The violent act is the reason for the needed response team, not the job of the person who’s been attacked.


26 posted on 05/08/2009 10:28:35 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (If Liberals are so upset over torture, why did they mock John McCains stiff arms during the campaign)
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To: a fool in paradise
It’d be under false pretense but it’d get the response that could save your life.

It could. Then you could spend a few months of that life in jail, and get no response at all the next time you call 911.

Ever hear the story "The Boy Who Cried 'Wolf!'"?

There's a reason why it has lasted for so many generations.

27 posted on 05/08/2009 10:31:33 AM PDT by TChris (There is no freedom without the possibility of failure.)
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To: offduty
Just one opinion.

OTOH, it was news because the other hundreds of thousands of officers did their job perfectly, but you won't hear about that...

28 posted on 05/08/2009 10:31:48 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Dallas59
If your a 911 operator/cop and can’t take the heat....you know you the rest.

I'd wager that quite a few 911 calls contain profanity. Stress and fear tend to have that effect on people.

Epileptic seizures are especially effective at scaring the hell out of people, too - even if you've seen it before.

29 posted on 05/08/2009 10:33:05 AM PDT by Charles Martel ("Endeavor to persevere...")
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To: DeLaine

911 Operators deal with a lot. A lot of prank calls, a lot of bogus calls, picking up the phone and getting an earful of profanity is not something that anyone has to tolerate.

Call your doctor, and drop the F-bomb on the nurse that answers. Insult her, threaten her and see where that gets you.

Call your fire dept and swear at them, or maybe your insurance agent. Walk into Walmart and let loose with a string of profanity at the Returns Desk, what will that get you?

Why do you expect a $9/hr civil servant to take the abuse that you wouldn’t dream of dumping on anyone else. They are there to help you, not to be abused by you.


30 posted on 05/08/2009 10:33:47 AM PDT by Hodar (Who needs laws .... when this "feels" so right?)
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To: DogBarkTree

I will call 911 after I have dealt with the problem.


31 posted on 05/08/2009 10:35:23 AM PDT by Sender (It's never too late to be who you could have been.)
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To: Filo
Actually if you work for the government I can't imagine what abuse you don't deserve. . .

What an interesting point of view. Let's verbally abuse our police force, the emergency responders, firemen, the people working in our hospitals, teachers, utility workers, and all those people who fight for our country too. They are all Gov't workers, even those soldiers fighting to keep you safe.

Must be a horrible existance for you, feeling that you have the need to verbally abuse people who's only purpose in life is to help others.

32 posted on 05/08/2009 10:38:28 AM PDT by Hodar (Who needs laws .... when this "feels" so right?)
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To: DogBarkTree
Years ago I saw some guys drag another guy out of a bar, knock him down, kick him, and stomp on him. It was scary. I called the cops and got a female. She asked if I was in the bar. I said no. She said, "Well, if they need help, they'll call." I said, "No, this is outside the bar and the guy who needs help is unconscious. They are stomping on his head." She repeated what she had said, so I hung up. I called back and got here again. She gave me the runaround again. I called back the third time and asked for her badge number. "Sir, we'll send an ambulance right away." What a dick chick.

The ambulance arrives, takes one look at the guy, puts him on a stretcher, and away they go.

Other times I've called I've felt like they are trying to blame me.

I've got relatives that are great cops, but a few just seem to have their own agenda, and it's not helpful.

BTW, this guy didn't have to call her a stupid ass, either.

33 posted on 05/08/2009 10:42:22 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault ( Obama, you're off the island!)
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To: Marie2
Indeed no one should have to take this abuse, however, it is her father who is suffering the consequences.

So, instead of blaming the abuser, we translate the blame upon the victim of the abuse. If this were your daughter, would you curse the 911 responder, or would you council your daughter to watch her foul mouth?

I'd say something along the lines of "Your mouth could have resulted in my death, if this had been a life threatening situation. No one has to put up with profanity, and you took what should have been a routine 911 call, and turned it into something that should have never happened".

No one has to deal with profanity. Some of us are less sensitive than others, but no one should be forced to be the recipient of verbal abuse. Instead of getting into a fight with the abuser, the operator simply hung up, and kept hanging up. Eventually, the message got through.

34 posted on 05/08/2009 10:43:23 AM PDT by Hodar (Who needs laws .... when this "feels" so right?)
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To: Hodar
This girl was verbally abusive

No she wasn't.

She said "What the F@#K" as an expletive to no-one in particular on a line that was still ringing. When she said it there wasn't anybody answering (which is why she said it).

She then asked for a ambulance in a measured tone, the response to which was to be given a lecture on her behavior.

She was agitated and frightened and used a swear word but that's not "abusive" she did not abuse 911 operator, at least not until he had had wasted more precious time to abuse her, calling her an "ass" - which he did before ever asking what the problem was.

Meanwhile her Dad is lying on the floor having a seizure for SIX MINUTES and nothing is being done to dispatch assistance!

I'd be abusive after that!

35 posted on 05/08/2009 10:46:48 AM PDT by Wil H (The most destructive act of Muslim terrorism against the US was paying for 0bama's Harvard education)
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To: Hodar
$9/hr civil servant

I think 20-year-veteran Sergeant McFarland makes a BIT more than $9 an hour.

36 posted on 05/08/2009 10:48:57 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault ( Obama, you're off the island!)
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To: Hodar

Makes me wonder what else was wrong with the cop if they have an experienced sergeant sitting on the 911 desk routing the calls.


37 posted on 05/08/2009 10:55:13 AM PDT by PAR35
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To: Hodar
Why do you expect a $9/hr civil servant to take the abuse that you wouldn’t dream of dumping on anyone else. They are there to help you, not to be abused by you.

This is a $60K/year police sergeant, according to the video. Did you actually watch the video? Initially, she was just an upset girl saying "I need an f---- ambulance". She was swearing, but not directing abusive language AT the officer. At least not until after the overpaid civil servant HUNG UP on her 911 call without dispatching an ambulance!

Subsequent calls were a bit more heated, but I would be plenty upset too at this point.

38 posted on 05/08/2009 10:55:56 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money -- Thatcher)
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To: ezoeni

I don’t condone what the calltaker did but for you to suggest people make false reports of crime is wrong.


39 posted on 05/08/2009 10:59:32 AM PDT by dznutz
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To: Hodar

A $9/hour civil servant?? Don’t you mean a $62,000/year LEO?
And if he can’t take some hysterical call from an overwrought person, afraid for a life, then he’s too darn sensitive!! There’s a time and a place for reprimand and BEFORE he helps the desperate victim is not the time nor the place.
Even his boss says this, and the “law enforcement” officer has been suspended.

So. Can you admit that your position doesn’t hold water or must you hold onto it merely because that’s the first thing you thought of?


40 posted on 05/08/2009 11:04:29 AM PDT by DeLaine (Youth frequently stands ready to demand their inexperience be heard.)
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To: BGHater

This bully needs to lose his job,his pension,his health care..everything..Let him go be a Mall cap so he can act on his fantasies of bullying reenagers


41 posted on 05/08/2009 11:07:13 AM PDT by Paddyboy
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To: PAR35

It is standard practice to have a command officer in communications. Depending on how the office is set up with either civilian operators or sworn personnel.

If you have civilian operators they may not have the level of experience to ask the “right” questions to pass to the dispatcher while the crew is enroute.

In any event, a “street” cop has heard the language before, talks like a sailor when necessary and has the capacity to cut through all of it to do his job.

While I normally don’t pass judgement on other officers actions...this guy screwed up in the way he handled the call. There is no justification to hang-up on ANY 911 call. You talk to the person to get the necessary information and then act accordingly.


42 posted on 05/08/2009 11:08:24 AM PDT by offduty (Joe Biden is still looking for the video tape of FDR's address to the nation.)
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To: Prodigal Son

In the discussion, most people seem to miss that fact.


43 posted on 05/08/2009 11:12:58 AM PDT by Nephi (Like the failed promise of Fascism, masquerading as Capitalism? You're gonna love Marxism.)
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To: DeLaine

It seems you hold 2 sets of standards. A 911 Operator must take whatever verbal abuse, whatever tone, or whatever profanity is offered - and be glad to have it. I guess he is your personal puppy that you get to kick whenever the mood arises.

Yet, try this at a resturant, a hospital, a service station, a fire department, or use that language directed to a soldier and see what happens.

Walk into your local Walmart, try using that language at the Returns desk, or to your cashier. Call your family physician, your dentist or your mailman a list of profanity. Good luck with that.

Actions have consequences, act like an abusive idiot; you should get treated like an abusive idiot (ie. ignored).


44 posted on 05/08/2009 11:13:32 AM PDT by Hodar (Who needs laws .... when this "feels" so right?)
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To: Caipirabob
OTOH, it was news because the other hundreds of thousands of officers did their job perfectly, but you won't hear about that...

Maybe it's because this thread is about this story. Just a thought.
45 posted on 05/08/2009 11:15:20 AM PDT by ZX12R
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To: PapaBear3625

Yesterday, an article was posted here; and I’m not finding any success in searching for it. The transcripts were all there. My workplace does not allow streaming video through - firewall thing. But, I did read the transcript - I hope you have better luck than I did in retrieving it.

Whether the person makes $9/hr or $100/hr is immaterial. Most children realize that swearing is wrong. If you call your MD, and say “I need an f—— appointment”, or your Fire Dept and say “I need an f—— Firetruck” - don’t be surprised if the recipient of your profanity is irritated by your language. Do you call Pizza Hut and say “I need an f—— pizza”?

The english language has thousands of words, the average person knows over 20,000 of them - yet only a very select few are considered vulger and offensive.

You tend to blame someone for refusing to listen to profanity - I blame the young girl for not being able to express herself better than what she did.

You see, I have called 911 to report a house fire, and to request an ambulance. The house had people trapped inside, whom I helped get out before the fire trucks came. The person I called 911 for was having a heart attack.

Guess what? I was fully able to convey the urgency, the location, the status and the needs accurately, clearly and without the single need to invoke profanity. It’s just not that hard.


46 posted on 05/08/2009 11:22:15 AM PDT by Hodar (Who needs laws .... when this "feels" so right?)
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To: BGHater

Not making any excuses for the cop, it appears he was out of line. However, she called once, hung up because she didn’t get a fast answer and called again. The first thing he then hears is her saying “What the *****”. Is it possible he thought this was some sort of prank call?
At any rate, he should be reprimanded, but the poster who suggested he lose everything over this is nuts.


47 posted on 05/08/2009 11:24:08 AM PDT by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: BGHater

Folks with a thin skin should not be in that type of work. Expletives are part of the job especially where 911 is concerned. If a situation escalates to the point of having to call 911 (for the most part), fear and/or anger will make some people say things they normally would not.
Call control is very important for obvious reasons.
JMO


48 posted on 05/08/2009 11:25:51 AM PDT by SealSeven (Moving at the speed of dark.... Even "nothing" takes up space.)
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To: BGHater

Kind of interesting that an incident from last fall would suddenly be getting all this publicity. You don’t suppose that if we checked around a little we’d find her lawyer just filed his compensation claim with the city do you?


49 posted on 05/08/2009 11:28:08 AM PDT by ArmstedFragg (hoaxy dopey changey)
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To: BGHater
A lack of proper communication skills on both sides. The cop must be firm but still try to find out what the actual situation is. The 17 YO will never be mistaken for a mensa member but the cop got three chances to ask the pertinent question. Attitude fails again.
50 posted on 05/08/2009 11:29:10 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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