Posted on 05/08/2009 7:53:51 PM PDT by Melissa 24
A student at a fundamentalist Baptist school that forbids dancing, rock music, hand-holding and kissing will be suspended if he takes his girlfriend to her public high school prom, his principal said.
Despite the warning, 17-year-old Tyler Frost, who has never been to a dance before, said he plans to attend Findlay High School's prom Saturday.
Frost, a senior at Heritage Christian School in northwest Ohio, agreed to the school's rules when he signed a statement of cooperation at the beginning of the year, principal Tim England said.
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Why is this news?
I think I saw this movie 20 years ago.
Why does “Footloose” soundtrack keep playing in my head?
"Frost, a senior at Heritage Christian School in northwest Ohio, agreed to the school's rules when he signed a statement of cooperation at the beginning of the year, principal Tim England said."
why is he even associating with public school students in the first place?
“He can always transfer to a public school.”
The school could also pull their heads out of their rear ends and not suspend this kid. Both parties could come to a reasonable comprimise here. Some rules are just ridiculous, but on the other hand he and his parents signed the cooperation document.
Why is a public school student associating with one of his kind in the first place?
Your comment isn't so cute when it is reversed at you, is it?
“Why is this news?”
Good question. He knew the rules, which are typical for any Baptist school. Not news.
Sex.
If they don't it sends a message that the other kids can do as they please.
Rules are rules. If the parents don't want their kid to go to a strict school, then don't send him there.
How old was she when she signed the contract? Can a minor sign an enforceable contract? Was she a minor when she signed it? What does local contract law have to say on this matter?
I can write up a piece of paper with all sorts of terms on it and get someone to sign it. If the contract has unenforceable terms, there you go.
A private school can discriminate pretty much however it wants. And rightly so, I say.
One needn’t be an adult to be required to mind the school’s rules, whether you agree with them or not.
I don’t think rock’n’roll is sinful, but apparently they do. As part of their belief they don’t allow their students to indulge in it. The students can go to school elsewhere if they like.
He knew the rules, and chose to break them. I say suspend his rear end, and let him do the year over in a publik skool.
Freedom of association ring a bell? The kid agreed to the rules and that’s that. If he doesn’t like it, he can hit the road.
This is a BAPTIST School. When you go to a BAPTIST School, you have to live by BAPTIST Rules. This kid is flaunting the rules and going back on his own commitment to the Church and to God that he would not go to a public dance event. The school would be violating its own charter by ignoring this matter.
This kid should not only be suspended, he should be expelled. This kind of flaunting of school rules is the kind of crap that has made public schools a cesspool of irresponsibility.
A private school can’t enforce unenforceable terms of a contract.
I am assuming the rules state clearly he is not allowed to dance at home, or at another school......or do they simply state that his school would not allow dancing on it’s premises?
How did we all know that you were going to tyr and figure out a way to sneak around the boundries the school set up?
Very Leftist of you.
So, what’s the problem? If he breaks the rules, he pays the penalty.
I’ve been at lunches with professors from Evangelical colleges, and they also sign pledges not to drink alcohol or dance in public.
We generally had a glass of wine at such academic lunches, to ease the good fellowship, but the faculty from those colleges refrained from drinking with the rest of us.
I once was invited to do an external review of a department at Wheaton College in Illinois. Again, the faculty refrained from having any drinks at dinner. As a Catholic, it seems to me that there’s nothing wrong with drinking in moderation, but the rules are the rules, and if you make a pledge, you keep it.
Not leftist. Just my training as a lawyer.
Whether the contract is enforceable is not a matter of conservative or liberal politics.
If they expel him, he should thank his lucky stars to be out of that loony bin.
Bunch of nutters.
Whatever they were, the kid knew he was violating the rules.
Should the school look the other way whenever a student flaunts the school rules? Doesn't that teach anarchy?
Or should they enforce the contract that this kid and his parents signed when he decided to go to school there?
That may be true. But this kid wants to violate the school rules and go to school where they have those rules.
Bunch of nutters.
That very well might include the kid.
I am saying that I hope the contract clearly states what the principal is implying it does. If it does, fine. I just wonder about the actual wording of the contract, I hope he hasn’t opened the school up to a law suit.
Did you pass the bar?
Which provision of this contract would be "unenforceable" and why?
I would defend them pro-bono.
“A student at a fundamentalist Baptist school that forbids...”
Somehow I don’t think that’s quite accurate.
I don’t think it is the fundamentalist Baptist school that does the forbidding on its own account.
I think its the fundamentalist Baptist religion that does the forbidding and the school reflects the religious principles on which it was founded.
Yes, I passed the bar and was admitted to practice law.
To answer your question, perhaps a contract signed by a minor is unenforceable because the minor lacks the legal capacity to enter a valid, enforceable contract.
Depends on the state’s law.
Alternately, the term forbidding dancing could be worded in a way that’s against public policy.
There could be more reasons.
Some Baptist churches are very strict about what they do. I tried one for a short while many years ago and remember one of the pastor’s sons being our paperboy. I caught him with a small radio and listening to rock and he begged me not to tell his Dad. I was kind of shocked and had no idea it was a bad thing?
I hope you would read the contract he signed very, very carefully first. Just sayin.....
Did you read the article? Both the student and his parents signed off on the rules. And if this kid is a senior, I would bet he is now 18 and ratified the contract on his own by continuing to go to the school up until 2 weeks before his graduation.
Alternately, the term forbidding dancing could be worded in a way that’s against public policy.
And you actually passed the bar?
Depends when the minor signed the contract. And depends on state law on the matter. A contract signed by a minor isn’t automatically valid when they reach maturity.
And yes, you can’t sign away terms that violate public policy.
Yes, I passed the bar.
What bar did you pass?
Joe's.
That explains your legal analysis.
Tell you what, you sue the school and I'll defend them and we'll see who ends up paying the court costs.
You guys are making this kid out to be like Hitler reincarnate. He’s a kid wanting to go with his girlfriend to the prom.
All that evil rock and roll music has already made this kid a rebellious soul I guess.
I don’t think the kid is nuts for wanting to go to the prom with his girlfriend. I don’t think he’s evil if he drinks a beer there- or two, or three. I don’t think he’s bad if he kisses her or manages to get to second base and then steal third.
He’s just an American kid. That’s all.
How would public policy in this case be violated?
He has a constitutional right to go to the prom. The Church has a constitutional right to expell his ass if he does it.
Isn't freedom great?
If the student wants to sue, they will have no shortage of lawyers willing to take this case.
He may not be bad, but since when do kids get to break the rules of the school they go to?
Depends on the wording of the contract, and since we don’t have it, we just have questions.
If the contract completely forbids dancing, even at home, or on summer break, maybe a court will find that term unenforceable.
Which is why we need tort reform.
Tell you what, you take it.
Do your pleading and I'll file the answer.
They can call me.
He should name his first son Jack.
WOW, there are some extreme opposites in schools these days. On one hand the school will basically throw condoms at you, and the other forbid a certain genre of music.
HOMESCHOOL!!!
When I went to school we had dress codes and hair codes and behavior codes and if you didn’t want to live by those rules, you could submit yourself to corporal punishment or you could choose to go to continuation schools where all you had to do was show up and flunk until you were old enough to drop out on your own. And this was public school.
It’s like I said- he’d be better off out of the religious nutjob school he’s in.
So, if they expel him, they’re actually doing him a favor.
And aye, freedom is great. Freedom to not obey is a great thing. If I were him, I’d take my girl to the prom and light a paper bag full of dogsh!t on the religious school’s principal’s doorstep.
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