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Amnesty Pushers Concoct Six Straw Men
Human Events ^ | 05/06/2009 | Rep. Lamar Smith

Posted on 05/09/2009 6:40:33 AM PDT by Delacon

It’s an old device in politics: Set up a straw man to criticize when you can’t win an argument on your own. Such tactics, unfortunately, are standard fare when it comes to efforts by a handful of special interest groups to bring about amnesty for illegal immigrants.

Organizations such as the National Council of La Raza, the Mexican-American Legal Defense and Educational Fund (MALDEF), the League of United Latin American Citizens (LULAC) and the Migration Policy Institute know that most Americans disagree with their desire for amnesty. Most Americans want to see immigration laws enforced. So these groups create straw men. They use them as diversionary tactics to criticize the way in which immigration laws are enforced without ever admitting to their true amnesty goals.

Who are these Straw Men? Let’s take a look:

1. The Civil Rights Abuses Straw Man

One of the most popular with the amnesty movement is the Civil Rights Abuses Straw Man. He is the one on whom the open-borders crowd call when they want to undercut successful efforts of state and local police and sheriffs to enforce immigration laws through a federal program known as 287(g).

The 287(g) program was created in the “Illegal Immigration Control and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996.” It allows states or localities to enter into an agreement with the federal government to assist in the investigation, apprehension and detention of illegal aliens. It is purely voluntary on behalf of local law enforcement officials.

But the Civil Rights Abuses Straw Man suggests that allowing state and local law enforcement officers to enforce immigration laws increases the risk of racial profiling and leads to civil rights violations.

This claim, however, fails on several fronts:

First, 287(g) is authority given to police and sheriffs, sworn to uphold our laws. Those officers regularly interact with the public to enforce a huge range of criminal statutes -- day in and day out. It is absurd to suggest that granting additional authorities to police officers and sheriffs’ deputies will somehow cause them to take leave of their senses and start violating people’s civil rights.

Moreover, as the Supreme Court made clear in the 1996 case of Bush v. Vera, mere “racial disproportions in the level of [law enforcement activity] for a particular crime may be unobjectionable if they merely reflect racial disproportions in the commission of that crime.” In other words, the fact that many illegal immigrants fall into specific racial categories, and arrests of illegal immigrants reflect those categories, does not mean that civil rights violations have occurred.

2. The Strained Resources Straw Man

A close friend of the Civil Rights Abuses Straw Man, the Strained Resources Straw Man is also often called upon to undercut 287(g). This one suggests that police and sheriffs shouldn’t be given 287(g) authority because enforcing immigration laws will strain their ability to carry out other law enforcement functions.

But 287(g) is entirely voluntary.

The reality is that the annual number of jurisdictions that choose to voluntarily participate in 287(g) has risen dramatically -- from one in 2002 to 67 currently -- and DHS cannot keep up with the increased demand. In fiscal 2007, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), which administers the program, received 69 new applications, the vast majority of which had to be rejected because of limited funding.

Does the Strained Resources Straw Man really believe that if police chiefs and sheriffs thought that 287(g) authority would detract from their other public safety responsibilities, they would ask for it anyway?

3. The Serious Criminals Straw Man

Another of the men of the amnesty movement is the Serious Criminals Straw Man. He rightly recognizes that some illegal immigrants commit heinous crimes, and that they pose serious threats to public safety in American communities.

But the suggested response is flawed.

The Serious Criminals Straw Man wants ICE to focus on finding and deporting serious criminal aliens only after they have committed their crimes and to the exclusion of other immigration enforcement. He suggests that federal agents should not arrest illegal immigrants for a whole array of crimes like identity theft, Social Security fraud, vandalism, public intoxication and even driving under the influence. His argument is that these “minor” offenses should be ignored.

A better approach is to comprehensively identify and work to deport illegal immigrants for their violations of immigration law, rather than waiting to identify them until after they have committed a more “serious” crime.

4. The Family Separation Straw Man

One of the newest men in the amnesty movement is the Family Separation Straw Man. He’s traveling around the country with amnesty advocates on a so-called “Family Unity Tour.” His goal is to focus on what happens to families when immigration laws are enforced.

This man acts as if the only option for illegal immigrant parents who are caught breaking the law is separation from their children. But he forgets that children can travel to their parents’ home countries with them. And the federal government may even cover the cost if the family cannot afford it.

In most cases, the children will be welcomed abroad as citizens of their parents’ home countries -- so they won’t be “stateless” as Family Separation Straw Man suggests. In fact, the 10 countries that are estimated to have sent the most illegal immigrants to the U.S. are Brazil, China, Ecuador, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, India, Mexico, the Philippines and South Korea. In all of these countries except China, the country’s law is clear that children born in the U.S. who have at least one parent who was a citizen of their country (and born in the country) are either automatically citizens of the country or can easily seek citizenship. In China, the law is unclear, but the practice of the Chinese embassy is to allow children born in the U.S. to illegal immigrant Chinese parents to return to China as Chinese nationals.

The Family Separation Straw Man also fails to account for the number of illegal immigrants who come to the U.S. alone, leaving family behind in their native countries. These individuals knowingly broke our laws and entered our country illegally. They need to take responsibility for their actions.

5. The Detention Straw Man

As the American public and Congress increasingly pushed the Bush Administration to enforce the immigration laws on the books, the need to increase the capacity of immigration detention facilities became clear.

At the time, there were an estimated 12 million illegal immigrants in the country, including more than 600,000 who had already been ordered deported but stayed in the U.S. instead of going home. There were many thousands more who were arrested by the Border Patrol or ICE, but never even showed up for their day in court.

Catching and releasing these individuals clearly wasn’t working. In the old days, the Justice Department’s inspector general found that only 13% of non-detained aliens with final removal orders were returned home. What’s worse, only 6% of non-detained aliens from countries designated as state sponsors of terrorism who had final removal orders were deported.

But ICE had the capacity to hold only about 17,000 detained aliens. The bipartisan Congress worked with President Bush to roughly double that number.

The Detention Straw Man, however, doesn’t like detention because it is effective: It ensures that those ordered deported actually leave.

His solution is to use so-called “alternatives to detention” such as electronic monitoring or telephone reporting. He forgets, however, that these programs do not work in most cases. Even under ICE’s intensive monitoring program, one third of the “supervised” aliens who are ordered deported ignore their deportation orders.

The Detention Straw Man also suggests that detained illegal immigrants should have more rights, including the right to comprehensive medical and dental care and an array of comforts. While he is correct that basic medical screening should be provided to individuals, he overlooks the fact that most illegal immigrants are in ICE custody for just 31 days and therefore do not require that level of care. More important, in many cases, illegal immigrants remain in custody only while they continue to fight their deportation cases in U.S. courts. They could in fact go home at any time if they chose to.

At the core of the Detention Straw Man’s philosophy is the erroneous proposition that individuals who broke our laws to come here illegally in the first place will automatically comply with our laws after they are caught and ordered to leave.

6. The Flawed Verification System Straw Man

The final straw man is the Flawed Verification System Straw Man. Although he doesn’t insert himself into many of the day-to-day debates about immigration enforcement, he works quietly to be sure that individuals who illegally enter the U.S. can continue to find jobs when they arrive.

His presence among the Straw Men of the Amnesty Movement is particularly troublesome now: Currently, nearly 13 million citizens and legal immigrants are looking for jobs. Almost eight million illegal immigrants hold them.

The Flawed Verification System Straw Man consistently claims that he understands the link between illegal immigration and the ability of illegal immigrants to gain employment, yet he opposes efforts to help employers comply with the law.

Notably, he claims that E-Verify, the federal government’s system that enables companies to hire legal workers, is fatally flawed. He forgets that there are currently more than 115,000 companies that voluntarily use the E-Verify system. And he fails to recognize that it immediately confirms 99.6% of work-eligible employees, the kind of success rate that any company would be happy to have.

Those who use the straw men politically never admit knowing them. If they did, the truth might come out: These straw men exist to divert attention from their true goal: amnesty for all illegal aliens.



TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: 111th; 287g; agenda; aliens; amnesty; bho44; bhoillegals; digg; everify; ice; illegalaliens; immigrantlist; immigration; lamarsmith; laraza; lulac; maldef; strawman; strawmen
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1 posted on 05/09/2009 6:40:33 AM PDT by Delacon
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To: neverdem

ping


2 posted on 05/09/2009 6:40:51 AM PDT by Delacon ("The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." H. L. Mencken)
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To: Delacon

Lets not forget the “We need a guest worker program”.

This one insinuates that there aren’t already dozens of other guest worker programs that aren’t doing anything to slow the flood of illegals.


3 posted on 05/09/2009 6:51:36 AM PDT by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: null and void; sthguard

ping


4 posted on 05/09/2009 6:51:43 AM PDT by DeLaine
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To: cripplecreek

We are bringing in over 120,000 LEGAL FOREIGN WORKERS A MONTH right now in the middle of the highest unemployment rates in a quarter of a century.


5 posted on 05/09/2009 6:58:45 AM PDT by kabar
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To: cripplecreek

All of these straw men are used to commit politics in general ... “We need to raise taxes because ..... “


6 posted on 05/09/2009 6:59:19 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
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To: Delacon
Obama budget nixes aid for jailing illegal immigrants
7 posted on 05/09/2009 7:01:46 AM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 110 of our national holiday from reality.)
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To: Delacon

This one is a keeper. The congressman knocks down all the BS arguments against immigration enforcement in one fell swoop. This article should appear in major newspapers, but yeah, the chances of that happening are slim to 0.


8 posted on 05/09/2009 7:11:53 AM PDT by La Lydia
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To: Delacon

Good article.


9 posted on 05/09/2009 7:16:23 AM PDT by Sister_T (The Obama Administration = EPIC FAIL!)
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To: Delacon
The Family Separation Straw Man

IMO this straw man 'argument' is the easiest to dispute and is a real laugher. By this 'logic' then we should never ever put any criminal in Prison as it 'separates him, or her, from the family'.

And last I checked, being separated from your family is not an argument for acquittal or never included in a judge's instructions to a jury.

Remember jurors, if you find Tyrone (or Juan) guilty of Armed Robbery he'll be in Prison for Ten Years and separated from his family.
And being deported is surely a much lesser 'penalty' than going to $#$*ing PRISON!

and, like it states the kids can go back to México with su madre o padre

10 posted on 05/09/2009 7:17:42 AM PDT by Condor51 (The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits)
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To: Condor51

Yes, I’ve made that point myself on other threads. We seperate criminals from their children all the time. Now the constitution grants children citizenship when born here so they are protected but ultimate jurisdiction lies with the parent and the country of the parent where he/she is a legal citizen. So the parent has the right/obligation to take the child back with them to their country of origin. However what the parent is doing is hiding behind their child’s citizenship in order to stay.


11 posted on 05/09/2009 7:27:36 AM PDT by Delacon ("The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." H. L. Mencken)
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To: Delacon
LOL! Rep. Smith builds in a few straw-men himself...

For example, his "flawed verification system" strawman says, "Currently, nearly 13 million citizens and legal immigrants are looking for jobs. Almost eight million illegal immigrants hold them."

Strawmam #1: Somehow the illegals are in the driver's seat over who gets to do the hiring, and who gets to be the employee. American employers are apparently helpless to prevent themselves from hiring illegals in preference to Americans....

The Flawed Verification System Straw Man consistently claims that he understands the link between illegal immigration and the ability of illegal immigrants to gain employment, yet he opposes efforts to help employers comply with the law.

Strawman #2 says "gaining employment" is somehow the illegals' fault, and that American employers want to hire legals, but somehow just can't seem to figure out how to comply with the law....

Sorry, Mr. Smith -- you need to think a little more deeply about the nature of the illegal immigration problem. First hint: Americans are the ones handing out the money....

12 posted on 05/09/2009 7:28:18 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: Delacon; kristinn; Jim Robinson; trooprally; The Mayor; Baynative; Brad's Gramma; gubamyster; ...

A Must-Read! Amnesty of illegal aliens and their usurping of voting rights as Democrat payola is one of the biggest threats to our U.S. Sovereignty. Most of the other threats can be undone with the stroke of a pen—fixing the damage of crimigration requires that plus moving vans.

REQUEST: I’d appreciate a ping to good resources to help educate/inform the general, apathetic public on exactly how illegal immigration hurts them, their career opportunities and their children’s future. Looking for short, concise articles, good graphics etc....thanks in advance.


This is the Sovereignty USA ping list.

This is a low-volume list reserved for urgent/important pings.

On/off the list—FREEPmail me privately.


13 posted on 05/09/2009 7:33:31 AM PDT by The Spirit Of Allegiance (Public Employees: Honor Your Oaths! Defend the Constitution from Enemies--Foreign and Domestic!)
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To: Delacon
Yes, I’ve made that point myself on other threads. We seperate criminals from their children all the time.
Exactly. I don't even understand how the Open Border Crowd can even bring up 'Family Separation' with a straight face. Anyone with ½ a brain should realize 'Separation' is a laughable argument.
14 posted on 05/09/2009 7:39:14 AM PDT by Condor51 (The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits)
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To: kabar

“We are bringing in”

Shouldn’t that read, “Our government is letting in”?


15 posted on 05/09/2009 7:40:37 AM PDT by wolfcreek ("unnamed "right-wing extremist")
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To: CedarDave; LegendHasIt; Rogle; leapfrog0202; Santa Fe_Conservative; DesertDreamer; ...

New Mexico ping


16 posted on 05/09/2009 7:53:06 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Obama....never saw a Bush molehill he couldn't make a mountain out of.......)
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To: The Spirit Of Allegiance
Go to the Center for Immigration Studies website. It provides a wealth of resources on the issues of both legal and illegal immigration. If we were to stop all illegal immigration tomorrow, our legal immigration policies remain the biggest threat to our national sovereignty and the source of the Balkanization of this country.
17 posted on 05/09/2009 7:55:03 AM PDT by kabar
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To: wolfcreek

Our government is elected by us.


18 posted on 05/09/2009 7:56:58 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Delacon
How about the "You swam the river in the middle of the night because you KNOW you are a criminal illegal alien" Straw Man?

Pizz on your damn excuses and "reasons." The Criminal illegal aliens KNOW what they are. The illegals are spewing BS and they KNOW it.

19 posted on 05/09/2009 7:59:41 AM PDT by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: kabar; The Spirit Of Allegiance
Go to the Center for Immigration Studies website. It provides a wealth of resources on the issues of both legal and illegal immigration. If we were to stop all illegal immigration tomorrow, our legal immigration policies remain the biggest threat to our national sovereignty and the source of the Balkanization of this country.
 
That is a good site. I'd like to recommend NumbersUSA at http://www.numbersusa.com/content/

20 posted on 05/09/2009 8:02:43 AM PDT by Delacon ("The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." H. L. Mencken)
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To: kabar
Are you sure about that?

Sorry, I'm NOT taking credit for illegals coming into this country. Nor will I be connected with an illegitimate government.

I have my own business and COULD hire plenty of illegals. I DON'T.

21 posted on 05/09/2009 8:08:30 AM PDT by wolfcreek ("unnamed "right-wing extremist")
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To: r9etb

If you are saying that we should be pointing the finger a businesses and indiviguals that hire illegals, then I think you are preaching to the choir here for most of the people who are for stricter boarder control and enforcement of our immigration laws. The biggest dissenters are the libertarian anti E-verify crowd on FR.


22 posted on 05/09/2009 8:10:14 AM PDT by Delacon ("The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." H. L. Mencken)
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To: The Spirit Of Allegiance; ExTexasRedhead

Thanks for the ping. This is one of the most informative I have read.


23 posted on 05/09/2009 8:11:35 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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To: r9etb
“Americans are the ones handing out the money....”

I'll admit American consumers are in the dark when it comes to knowing where, how and by whom their products and produce come from but, I'm an not going to take a fall for unscrupulous employers.

24 posted on 05/09/2009 8:15:23 AM PDT by wolfcreek ("unnamed "right-wing extremist")
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To: TLI; Delacon; r9etb
“Americans are the ones handing out the money....”

Add this to the Straw man argument list.

Maybe Obama will apologize for it.

25 posted on 05/09/2009 8:34:24 AM PDT by wolfcreek ("unnamed "right-wing extremist")
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To: The Spirit Of Allegiance

Thanks for the ping!


26 posted on 05/09/2009 8:47:02 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Delacon
An army of strawmen fall before the law.

Enforce the law, as written, and strawmen by the score fall before the eyes.

We need no strawmen, we merely need to insist the existing law(s) be enforced; and, if they're not?
Those we pay who're responsible for enforcing the laws are held strictly accountable. [read: They're terminated and another's found who can *&* will do the job.]

27 posted on 05/09/2009 8:47:36 AM PDT by Landru (Arghh, Liberals are trapped in my colon like spackle or paste.)
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To: The Spirit Of Allegiance

Following is an article sent by NAFBPO this morning. It is a MUST read!

President of Costa Rica: United States not to blame for past, present or future ills confronting Latin America

Posted: 08 May 2009

La Prensa (Managua, Nicaragua) 5/7/09

(Full translation of speech by Oscar Arias, President of Costa Rica, at the Summit of the Americas meeting in Trinidad & Tobago on April 18, 2009)

“I have the impression that every time Caribbean and Latin American countries get together with the president of the United States of America it is to ask for things or to demand something. Almost always it’s to blame the United States for our past, present and future ills. I don’t believe that is at all just. We cannot forget that Latin America had universities before the United States created Harvard and William & Mary, which are the first universities of that country. We cannot forget that in this continent, as in the whole world, at least until 1750 all Americans were more or less the same: all were poor.

When the industrial revolution came about in England, other countries hopped on that wagon: Germany, France, the United States, Canada, Australia, New Zealand…… and thus the Industrial Revolution passed over Latin America like a comet, and we didn’t realize it. Certainly, we lost the opportunity.

There’s also a very big difference. Reading the history of Latin America, compared with the history of the United States, one realizes that Latin America did not have a Spaniard John Winthrop, nor a Portuguese who might have come with a bible in hand, ready to build “a City on a Hill”, a city that would shine, as was the wish of the pilgrims who arrived in the United States.

Fifty years ago, Mexico was richer than Portugal. In 1950, a country such as Brazil had a higher per capita income than that of South Korea. Sixty years ago, Honduras had more riches per capita than Singapore, and today Singapore – in something like 35 or 40 years – is a country with $40,000 annual income per person. Well, we Latin Americans did something wrong.

What did we do wrong? I cannot list all the things we did wrong. To start, we have a seven-year schooling. That is the average length of schooling in Latin America and it’s not the case with the majority of Asian countries. It’s certainly not the case in countries such as the United States and Canada, with the best education in the world, similar to the Europeans’. For every 10 students who enter high school in Latin America, in some countries only one finishes. There are countries with an infant mortality of 50 children per thousand, when in the more advanced countries it is 8, 9 or 10. We have countries where the tax load is 12 percent of the gross national product, and it’s no one’s responsibility, except our own, that we don’t tax the richest people of our countries. No one is to blame for that, except we ourselves.

In 1950 each American citizen was four times richer than a Latin American citizen. Today, an American citizen is 10, 15 or 20 times richer than a Latin American. That is not the fault of the United States, it’s our fault.

The value system of the 20th century, which seems to be the one we are putting into practice in the 21st century, is a wrong value system. Because it cannot be that the rich world devotes 100 billion dollars to alleviate the poverty of 80 percent of the world’s population – in a planet that has 2.5 billion human beings with a $2 a day income – and that it spends 13 times more ($1,300,000,000,000) in weapons and soldiers.

It’s incredible that Latin America spends $50 billion in weapons and soldiers. I ask myself: who is our enemy? Our enemy, of that inequality which President Correa (of Ecuador) points out very correctly, is the lack of education; it is illiteracy; it’s that we don’t spend on the health of our people; that we don’t create the necessary infrastructure, the roads, the highways, the ports, the airports; it’s that we are not dedicating the necessary resources to stop the deterioration of the environment; it’s the lack of equality which we have, which really makes us ashamed; it is a product, among many things, of course, of the fact that we are not educating our sons and our daughters.

One goes to a Latin American university and it still seems we are in the sixties, seventies or eighties. It seems we forgot that something very important happened on November 9, 1989, when the Berlin Wall fell, and that the world changed. We have to accept that this is a different world, and about this I honestly believe that all thinking persons, all the economists, all the historians, almost agree that the 21st century is the century of the Asians, not of the Latin Americans. And I, unfortunately, agree with them. Because while we keep arguing about the “isms” (which is better? capitalism, socialism, communism, liberalism, neo-liberalism, social-christianism…) the Asians found a very realistic “ism” for the 21st and for the end of the 20th century, which is pragmatism. Just to mention an example, let us remember that when Deng Xiaoping visited Singapore and South Korea, after having realized that his own neighbors were quickly becoming richer, he returned to Peking and told the old comrades who had accompanied him on the Long March: “Well, the truth is, dear comrades, that I don’t care whether the cat is black or white, the only thing that matters to me is that it catch mice”. And if Mao would have been alive he would have died again when he said that “the truth is that becoming rich is glorious”. And while the Chinese do this, and from 79 until today they grow at some 11, 12 or 13 percent, and they have taken some 300 million out of poverty, we keep on arguing about ideologies which we should have buried a long time ago.

The good news is that Deng Xiaoping achieved this when he was 74 years old. Looking around, I don’t see (among the presidents who participated in the Summit) anyone who is close to 74 years of age. That’s why I ask you not to reach that age in order to make the changes which we have to make.”

http://m3report.wordpress.com/2009/05/08/president-of-costa-rica-united-states-not-to-blame-for-past-present-or-future-ills-confronting-latin-america/


28 posted on 05/09/2009 9:43:51 AM PDT by AuntB (The right to vote in America: Blacks 1870; Women 1920; Native Americans 1925; Foreigners 2008)
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To: Delacon
Worn out "straw man" used by OBL Rhino's ... "we can't round up 12 million and deport them ALL" [as if anyone is suggesting it, but then they avoid discussing attrition through enforcement!]

Perhaps not a "straw man", but my favorite red flag is the one used by Fred Thompson, who opposes "blanket" amnesty and Sarah Palin who opposes "total" amnesty. How many WILL get amnesty????

I'll get the usual STFU's from the Palin fans, but this is the EXACT type of RED FLAG conversation to watch out for:

UNIVISION: Governor, let me ask you about immigration. How many undocumented immigrants are there in Alaska?

PALIN: I don't know, I don't know. That's a good question.

UNIVISION: As governor, how do you deal with them? Do you think they all should be deported?

PALIN: There is no way that in the US we would roundup every illegal immigrant -there are about 12 million of the illegal immigrants- not only economically is that just an impossibility but that's not a humane way anyway to deal with the issue that we face with illegal immigration.

UNIVISION: Do you then favor an amnesty for the 12 or 13 million undocumented immigrants?

PALIN: No, I do not. I do not. Not total amnesty. You know, people have got to follow the rules. They've got to follow the bar, and we have got to make sure that there is equal opportunity and those who are here legally should be first in line for services being provided and those opportunities that this great country provides.

UNIVISION: To clarify, so you support a path to citizenship for undocumented immigrants?

PALIN: I do, because I understand why people would want to be in America. To seek the safety and prosperity, the opportunities, the health that is here. It is so important that yes, people follow the rules so that people can be treated equally and fairly in this country.
29 posted on 05/09/2009 10:03:45 AM PDT by Kimberly GG (SARAH PALIN - Supports a "path to citizenship" for ILLEGAL ALIENS.)
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To: Kimberly GG

It’s time Palin clarifies her position on Amnesty/illegal aliens. If she’s another open border Rino, we need to know it now.

A must read!
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2247614/posts?page=26#26


30 posted on 05/09/2009 10:11:10 AM PDT by AuntB (The right to vote in America: Blacks 1870; Women 1920; Native Americans 1925; Foreigners 2008)
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To: kabar

“We are bringing in over 120,000 LEGAL FOREIGN WORKERS A MONTH right now in the middle of the highest unemployment rates in a quarter of a century.”

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Actually more like 138,000 ...
http://www.numbersusa.com/content/nusablog/beckr/december-5-2008/533000-jobs-lost-nov-but-feds-imported-another-140000-foreign-workers

No doubt doing work Americans can’t/won’t do. /sarc


31 posted on 05/09/2009 10:40:32 AM PDT by algernonpj (He who pays the piper . . .)
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To: AuntB; Kimberly GG

Thanks for the info on Palin.


32 posted on 05/09/2009 10:45:01 AM PDT by algernonpj (He who pays the piper . . .)
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To: wolfcreek

It is not a matter of taking credit. One problem is that we are not enforcing the existing laws. Why not?


33 posted on 05/09/2009 11:31:40 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Kimberly GG

I spoke to one of Palin’s big supporters at CPAC. I told him that Palin must move away from the McCain position on amnesty. If she doesn’t, then she will be finished as far as most conservatives are concerned. He agreed and said he was trying to arrange a trip for her to the border for a briefing.


34 posted on 05/09/2009 11:34:55 AM PDT by kabar
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To: algernonpj
I am aware of the NumbersUSA figures. Rosemary Jenks addressed our group a couple of months ago. I am using the more conservative numbers from CIS that were developed from the FY-2008 numbers, i.e., 1.45 million. Trends in Immigrant and Native Employment
35 posted on 05/09/2009 11:38:41 AM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar

“Why not?”

1. Our elected representatives have forsaken us. They are mostly all the same and are loyal to outside powers.

2. IMO, no use enforcing immigration laws when amnesty is right around the corner.

3. IMO, no use enforcing border security when eventually they’ll be none.

4. Time to take our country back before 2 and 3 happen!


36 posted on 05/09/2009 11:43:40 AM PDT by wolfcreek ("unnamed "right-wing extremist")
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To: Delacon; 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; ...

Ping!


37 posted on 05/09/2009 12:51:15 PM PDT by HiJinx (~ Support Our Troops ~ www.AmericaSupportsYou.mil ~)
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To: Delacon
Excellent thread, 287G is the answer as well. The Feds don't have and never will have the manpower or desire to tackle the illegal problem which is more like 38 million than the purported 12-20 million that the DBM has successful fed into their brainwashing machine that feeds the left over and over.
38 posted on 05/09/2009 1:17:25 PM PDT by rodguy911 (HOME OF THE FREE BECAUSE OF THE BRAVE--GO SARAHCUDA !!)
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To: Delacon
Now the constitution grants children citizenship when born here...

No, judges do. The Constitution granted citizenship to former slaves born in the US.

People born here AND subject to the laws. It does not include visitors, foreign embassy staff, etc. It should not include children born here to people here illegally (i.e. Not subject to our immigration laws.)

39 posted on 05/09/2009 1:19:28 PM PDT by Onelifetogive (Check out Puppy News at www.buyingapuppy.com)
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To: AuntB

Great post AuntB.


40 posted on 05/09/2009 2:08:33 PM PDT by Delacon ("The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." H. L. Mencken)
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To: Delacon

Thanks, Delacon, also here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2247647/posts


41 posted on 05/09/2009 2:12:33 PM PDT by AuntB (The right to vote in America: Blacks 1870; Women 1920; Native Americans 1925; Foreigners 2008)
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; justiceseeker93; ..

Thanks The Spirit Of Allegiance.


42 posted on 05/09/2009 2:37:48 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: HiJinx

Not to worry, Janet “Nappin’-at-the-Alamo” is on it!

Haven’t you heard? Thousands are dying from narco terrorists in Victoria and Seattle is the largest kidnap capital of the world!!!!!

U.S. begins beefing up Canadian border security

by Bob Drogin - May. 9, 2009 11:37 AM
Los Angeles Times

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2009/05/09/20090509canadianborder-ON.html
[snip]Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano made the get-tough policy clear in recent comments.

“One of the things that we need to be sensitive to is the very real feeling among southern border states and in Mexico that if things are being done on the Mexican border, they should also be done on the Canadian border,” Napolitano told a conference in Washington.

“In other words, we shouldn’t go light on one and heavy on the other.”


43 posted on 05/09/2009 2:55:17 PM PDT by AuntB (The right to vote in America: Blacks 1870; Women 1920; Native Americans 1925; Foreigners 2008)
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To: AuntB

“Janet “Nappin’-at-the-Alamo””

I love it. Did you make that up?


44 posted on 05/09/2009 3:12:34 PM PDT by Delacon ("The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." H. L. Mencken)
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To: Delacon

““Janet “Nappin’-at-the-Alamo”””

No, can’t take the credit. That goes to Lars Larson.

http://www.larslarson.com/


45 posted on 05/09/2009 3:20:23 PM PDT by AuntB (The right to vote in America: Blacks 1870; Women 1920; Native Americans 1925; Foreigners 2008)
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To: AuntB

A great read...thank you for the link/posting!

“It’s time Palin clarifies her position on Amnesty/illegal aliens.”

She did clarify her position on Amnesty and I’m glad Univision asked her to clarify it so there is no uncertainty. She supports a “path to citizenship” for illegal aliens.

UNIVISION: To clarify, so you support a path to citizenship for undocumented immigrants?

PALIN: I do, because I understand why people would want to be in America. To seek the safety and prosperity, the opportunities, the health that is here. It is so important that yes, people follow the rules so that people can be treated equally and fairly in this country.


46 posted on 05/09/2009 3:37:44 PM PDT by Kimberly GG (SARAH PALIN - Supports a "path to citizenship" for ILLEGAL ALIENS.)
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To: kabar

I wonder what kind of briefing he’s talking about?

In any event, for me, she MUST (EFFECTIVELY) secure our borders, she MUST take a position of attrition through enforcement of our current immigration laws, and she MUST OPPOSE...

-ANY amnesty (including “not total”, “not blanket”) of

-ANY kind (including ‘paths’, ‘earned’, touch back, etc.) for

-ANY/ALL illegal aliens. (no “criminal” vs. “non-criminal”...they’re ALL criminals).

I’d also like to see clarification and an end to birthright citizenships...one baby born in the US entitles ILLEGAL ALIENS families to LEGALLY receive federal & state benefits. It is just as much a magnet, if not more so, than jobs.


47 posted on 05/09/2009 3:50:15 PM PDT by Kimberly GG (SARAH PALIN - Supports a "path to citizenship" for ILLEGAL ALIENS.)
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To: Delacon
fixing the damage of crimigration

If outright Fascist Socialism is the damage?

The "fixings", of the last outright Fascist Socialism, cost US and the World a lot of lives.

Thank You Satan 1:50

48 posted on 05/09/2009 5:36:29 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist (<P><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajsov1M4h50"> Thank You Satan 1:50</a>)
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To: wolfcreek
>"They are mostly all the same and are loyal to outside powers."

Hey cut them some slack... It's what they're paid to do. ... .. .. .. .. by someone else .. .. .. .. What they "MAKE" on their side "BUSINESSES" makes what we pay them look like snot!

Until WE THE PEOPLE banish all extraneous income sources for elected officials, we will be governed by CROOKS!

Oddly enough this will create EQUALITY for the poor who wish to hold office, as the evil rich, or those seeking to become evil rich will AVOID public office for just this reason.

49 posted on 05/09/2009 5:47:29 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist (<P><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajsov1M4h50"> Thank You Satan 1:50</a>)
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PALIN ON UNIVISION: I support a path to citizenship for undocumented immigrants....."I understand why people would want to be in America. To seek the safety and prosperity, the opportunities, the health that is here."

Oh brother---Sarah better read this.

Quoting Tom Tancredo: “I’ll never forget a conversation I had with Juan Hernandez, who headed up the mrxican govt's "Ministry of Mexicans Living in the United States." Hernandez is a dual citizen of the United States and Mexico (was McC's Hiapanic outreach).

Hernandez said the purpose of the Mexican government agency he heads, is to increase the flow of Mexican nationals to the United States......to serve Mexico’s needs:

(1) to increase remittances to Mexico of $50 billion a year, (30% of Mexico's GDP).

(2) US employment for an exploding Mexican population,

(3) alleviate Mexico's social instability due to rising unemployment.

(4) suck up (tax-paid) training (and degrees) for Mexicans, who are expected to repatriate these skills back to Mexico.

Tancredo:‘’Then your government would oppose amnesty for Mexicans in the United States?’’

Hernandez cried, ‘’Oh no! We support amnesty totally. By Mexico populating the United States with millions of Hispanics who are tied economically, politically and linguistically to Mexico, we are able to exert enormous influence and pressure on US policy and its dealings with Mexico.’’

==================================

CONCLUSION Get ready for the looting and plundering----we're looking at a major transfer of wealth to Tijuana. The greedy Mexicans are salivating at the thought of getting their filthy hands on US treasure.

And to think the Barbarians, the Vandals, and the Huns used force-----here we have the US govt opening the gates, giving a blank check to invaders, even opening up US highways to facilitate hauling away US wealth.

================================

THE LATEST RIPOFF The bogus Mexican "drug war" is creating a new class of illegals pouring in, claiming "persecution" to gain entry. The Mexican gov't is coaching its citizens-----as a way to suckoff working class US taxpayers and collect US govt freebies. Social Security provides financial aid to these "refugees."

Keep in mind these people never paid a dime into the SS system; yet, they can collect seven years straight and get extended payments if they are politically well-connected. The SS checks to these "persecuted refugees" can amount to $1000 a month...... and more. Some are wealthy nationals whining about "persecution" in order to collect.

50 posted on 05/09/2009 5:57:13 PM PDT by Liz (Everything Obama says comes with an expiration date.)
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