Skip to comments.Editorial: Targeting illegal immigrants
Posted on 05/09/2009 7:12:49 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
What is it about illegal immigration that unhinges otherwise reasonable people, leading them to propose inhumane and unworkable remedies to the problem?
But that's no excuse for legalizing discrimination, which is precisely what would happen under a state ballot initiative now in the signature-gathering stage and targeted for next year's June election. If passed, it would require all parents of newborns in California to prove U.S. citizenship or legal residency in order to receive their baby's birth certificate. Those who could not would have to pay a $75 fee for a certificate noting the child's "Birth to a Foreign Parent." The U.S. Department of Homeland Security would be alerted to the discrepancy. And finally, in willful ignorance of previous California Supreme Court rulings, the measure would attempt to deny health benefits to illegal immigrants. Those are federally mandated benefits, beyond the reach of state law.
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Let's turn the tables. What is it about illegal immigration that turns otherwise reasonable Americans into Quislings?
They should try Mexicos policies on illegal aliens! What a bunch of crap.
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Sounds like a winner to me, but it will never be enacted — even if passed by the people — in California. It’s a non starter..
Lord help me, that was funny!
The will of the people (REAL U.S. CITIZENS) means nothing to the government of California. Why waste the time??
Once again the LA Times displays its true loyalties: not to Americans, and Americans’ best interests, but to people from other countries who break our laws and become parasites on the taxpayers. I hope enough people in California have the guts to get this passed. It should have been the law long ago, and had it been, perhaps California wouldn’t have gone broke as fast and as deeply as it has. This is yet another exhibit of why the LA Times, like so many other newspapers, is circling the drain.
“What is it about illegal immigration that unhinges otherwise reasonable people”
It is about race. No one would be mad if they were white russian or irish illegals (oh that’s right, no one is mad about the russian or irish illegals).
No doubt they'd have no problem with every one of them being replaced on the board by these criminals....at one-twentieth the salary.
What are you talking about.I want *everyone* violating our immigration laws/regulations expelled....no ifs,ands or buts about it.In my neck of the woods there are lots of Irish illegals (I'm of Irish blood myself!) and I want them *all* out.Same with any Canadians,Brits,Germans,Italians,Australians,Nigerians,etc,etc who are here illegally.
Ok if this is legalizing discrimination against illegals then are laws against bank robbery discriminating against bank robbers? Idiots!! Illegal immigration is illegal and attempting to pass laws do deal with it are not discrimination; it is an attempt to regulate an illegal activity.
Some are so stupid they swallow this crap- but what makes me angry are people who know it has nothing to do with discrimination and use that to gain support for illegal immigration issues. Why don't these people just tell the truth- they are for illegal immigration. Talking around the bush is just a ploy to keep the support of the people who aren't that smart. Just as the Pro-Choice people will not say they are pro-abortion...pro-choice surely isn't about what flavor of ice cream to buy so why don't they admit what it is they are supporting. The double speak is annoying.
What is it about the water they drink in Southern Californa that makes LA Times editors so moronic?
“It” is about sheer numbers and associated costs. Are Mexican illegal immigrants more visible? Yes, they are more visible outside of the southwest, Pacific coast and Florida. There is a problem even there, where they aren’t so visible too, though, so the old racist slur isn’t going to wash. You’re really reaching, in order to taint people who merely want the law upheld, in the face of how many tens of millions? Nobody appears to really know, and why is that? Public services are being sorely strained, at a time when many states no longer have the ability to fund the basics, let alone liberal pipedreams like free healthcare and schooling for every foreign national who wants to crash the gate.
You don’t speak for me. Militarize the border (including ports) and throw every mick and Ivan out of the country. I am an American of Irish decent from Boston. My family emigrated legally, paid taxes, served their nation in time of war and integrated with this country. They didn’t see America as one big free lunch when you walk over the border. They saw it as the opportunity it still is.
1) It is fitting and proper that we "discriminate" against criminals. By definition, criminals put themselves outside the law and thus cannot claim all the sympathies a society accords its more just members.
2) It is also no excuse for legalizing illegality. These immigrants are in the country illegally and are not legal beneficiaries of our largesse.
3) The assistance provided these illegals robs legitimate citizens, who then absorb the suffering while doing nothing to earn it. It is grossly unfair that law-abiding citizens be burdened with the care of lawbreakers.
If there were 20-30 million Caucasians from any Country living here illegally, I would still be mad.
Police at all ERs and medical clinics with orders to check citizenship. Same results for illegals.
Do that for a month and you would see the illegals flee on their own and you could reduce and then eliminate the police presence at medical facilities.
Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)
LonePalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)
At least the citizens are trying. The initiative wouldn’t be necessary if the legislature were responsive to the public.
I fail to see how this is "discrimination", much less how it legalizes such. I do know the difference between "to be discriminate" and "discrimination", though. To be discriminate is to be selective based on experience and knowledge; discrimination is stereo-typing based on race, etc. and having no provable substance to it.
And finally, in willful ignorance of previous California Supreme Court rulings, the measure would attempt to deny health benefits to illegal immigrants.
This statement is quite laughable, as the the LAT itself calls for the wanton disregard of the people's will and laws they pass (Prop. 8, for example). For the LAT and their ilk, the people are above the government, not the other way around.
Funny, how the LAT will call for the people to disregard what the government says when it suits them, but attempt to tell them they must obey the law when they (the LAT) agrees with it.
Cutting off a whole lot of future presidential candidates I assume.
I'm for it way to go!!!I didn't knock you up and you are not my problem.
What a surprise that a sane, survival oriented, will of the people ballot initiative that should have been the law of the land throughout, is seen as “mean” by the culture of death pansies at the LA Times.
“We are broke, and everyone that pays taxes is fleeing the state, so let’s not do anything to upset the applecart.”
BS, if you came here illegally, if you are a visa overstay, get the hell out and stop all guest worker BS. However, the farm worker programs can remain as long as they spend six months a year in their own country.
Oh, and one last thing — if everything else was exactly the same, but Mexico was populated by white, Christian families instead of noble protected brown people, there would be no issues whatsoever with enforcing existing laws, “breaking up families”, and sealing the border ... the LA Times would be completely mute on the subject.
Sounds good to me.
Well, sure, for states that are run by cowards and weaklings.
My wife is a native-born citizen who is Latina. And she is more opposed to illegal immigration than I am.
So take your race card and shove it.
The opening question in the LA Times editorial is interesting for its open admission that there is such a phenomenon as illegal immigration. Normally, liberals of this bent don’t believe in borders and, therefore, reject the notion of making it a crime to penetrate something that doesn’t exist.
Well, there you go. We are not a nation of laws. We're a nation of assumptions.
And in the next sentence, the LA Times calls for debate if there are "genuine doubts" that the assumption is wrong.
LOL. It's been reported 80% of US citizens want our border secure and D.C. is swamped with calls against amnesty every time the policretins attempt to pass another one over on US.
And the LA Times still wants proof that there are genuine doubts about the non-interpretation of the 14th Amendment?
I wonder if these open border advocates will ever get past their love and compassion for their slave labor supporters in the U.S. chamber of commerce and consider that some day, they or their family members may be in need of oh, say a medical device implant manufactured in oh say, Abbott Vascular in Temecula CA?
Abbott contracts with a janitorial service, UBS, whose workers didn't always understand what was being said when they were asked to provide ID for a temporary pass needed to access the property on Ynez.
The UBS people clean everywhere in the manufactory.
Political gangstas and their chamber of commerce advisors might want to keep in mind that stints and whatnot leaving the property bound for operating rooms around the world could eventually be used on them or their family or friends.
Would they be willing to risk asuming the device is as sterile as it is implied to be by their surgeon?
How much time is spent esplaining to the patient the origins of the device or the health of the people who clean the clean rooms?
Yeah. We are a nation of ASSumptors.
For maybe one or two percent, maybe. But, for the rest of us, it is nothing whatsoever to with race.
Your assertion is itself, in fact, quite racist. It accuses whites (and only whites) of harboring selective outrage. How, then, do you explain my friends and neighbors of Mexican extraction who are also vehemently anti-illegal?
You have a lot to learn.
White Russian and Irish Illegals don’t think America should be Russia or Ireland. They believe in and support America.
Illegals from Mexico believe this is their land and are doing everything they can to get it back........and trashing it up all along the way so it will look just like Mexico does.....full of garbage, sewage, and trash.........
Ireland and not even Russia look like that.........
Nice shot. These liberals around here are maddening.
One obvious explanation for the editorial slant of the LA Times: Its parent corporation (Tribune Co.) also owns 50% of the largest Spanish-language newspaper in Los Angeles (”LA Opinion”).
And as we all know, more Hispanics in the region (legal or not) means more business for Tribune Co. there too.
"Ms Fincham said this meant that undocumented Irish who were caught up in routine traffic stops and were asked for ID were forced to use their passports for identification, which would show they were in the country illegally.
"Even though a violation of immigration laws is a civil rather than a criminal offence, those who await deportation are often held with common criminals. The standard waiting time in the New York consular area is four to six weeks."
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More news on this follows provided by WoC Ersatz News Service:
"When confronted all a white undocumented immigrant has to do is say, 'It's about the race, dummy! I'm white!' The indignant immigrant usually receives a personal apology from the local authorities within a week.
"We could not verify that this is true but it sure is accepted by a lot of people so we'll go with it. We're PC, too!"
Ted Hilton is on Terry Anderson show right now...
I like minefields. They don’t discriminate by race, sex,creed,relgion...or gender preference.
A mine doesn’t need a union or pension plan either.
Bull crap! And you know better than that.