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Editorial: Targeting illegal immigrants
LA Times ^ | May 9, 2009 | Editorial

Posted on 05/09/2009 7:12:49 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer

What is it about illegal immigration that unhinges otherwise reasonable people, leading them to propose inhumane and unworkable remedies to the problem?

But that's no excuse for legalizing discrimination, which is precisely what would happen under a state ballot initiative now in the signature-gathering stage and targeted for next year's June election. If passed, it would require all parents of newborns in California to prove U.S. citizenship or legal residency in order to receive their baby's birth certificate. Those who could not would have to pay a $75 fee for a certificate noting the child's "Birth to a Foreign Parent." The U.S. Department of Homeland Security would be alerted to the discrepancy. And finally, in willful ignorance of previous California Supreme Court rulings, the measure would attempt to deny health benefits to illegal immigrants. Those are federally mandated benefits, beyond the reach of state law.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; bhoillegals; illegals; immigrantlist

1 posted on 05/09/2009 7:12:49 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
This measure doesn't consider the weight of law, custom and the complex social ramifications involved in bestowing and withdrawing citizenship. It's just simplistic and mean.

He said with a lisp.

Let's turn the tables. What is it about illegal immigration that turns otherwise reasonable Americans into Quislings?

2 posted on 05/09/2009 7:16:22 AM PDT by raybbr (It's going to get a lot worse now that the anchor babies are voting!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

They should try Mexicos policies on illegal aliens! What a bunch of crap.


3 posted on 05/09/2009 7:17:47 AM PDT by FromLori (FromLori)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Amnesty Pushers Concoct Six Straw Men
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2247520/posts


4 posted on 05/09/2009 7:18:09 AM PDT by The Spirit Of Allegiance (Public Employees: Honor Your Oaths! Defend the Constitution from Enemies--Foreign and Domestic!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Sounds like a winner to me, but it will never be enacted — even if passed by the people — in California. It’s a non starter..


5 posted on 05/09/2009 7:19:33 AM PDT by devane617 (Republicans first strategy should be taking over the MSM. Without it we are doomed.)
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To: raybbr
He said with a lisp.

Lord help me, that was funny!

6 posted on 05/09/2009 7:20:12 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

The will of the people (REAL U.S. CITIZENS) means nothing to the government of California. Why waste the time??


7 posted on 05/09/2009 7:23:02 AM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Once again the LA Times displays its true loyalties: not to Americans, and Americans’ best interests, but to people from other countries who break our laws and become parasites on the taxpayers. I hope enough people in California have the guts to get this passed. It should have been the law long ago, and had it been, perhaps California wouldn’t have gone broke as fast and as deeply as it has. This is yet another exhibit of why the LA Times, like so many other newspapers, is circling the drain.


8 posted on 05/09/2009 7:23:16 AM PDT by La Lydia
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

“What is it about illegal immigration that unhinges otherwise reasonable people”

It is about race. No one would be mad if they were white russian or irish illegals (oh that’s right, no one is mad about the russian or irish illegals).


9 posted on 05/09/2009 7:24:57 AM PDT by staytrue
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
And the truly despicable thing is that not a single member of the LA Times’ editorial board lives within 3 miles of a criminal alien and only has contact with such individuals when they need yard work or their tie-died T shirts dry cleaned.

No doubt they'd have no problem with every one of them being replaced on the board by these criminals....at one-twentieth the salary.

10 posted on 05/09/2009 7:25:21 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Christian+Veteran=Terrorist)
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To: staytrue
It is about race. No one would be mad if they were white russian or irish illegals....

What are you talking about.I want *everyone* violating our immigration laws/regulations expelled....no ifs,ands or buts about it.In my neck of the woods there are lots of Irish illegals (I'm of Irish blood myself!) and I want them *all* out.Same with any Canadians,Brits,Germans,Italians,Australians,Nigerians,etc,etc who are here illegally.

11 posted on 05/09/2009 7:30:39 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Christian+Veteran=Terrorist)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
legalizing discrimination

Ok if this is legalizing discrimination against illegals then are laws against bank robbery discriminating against bank robbers? Idiots!! Illegal immigration is illegal and attempting to pass laws do deal with it are not discrimination; it is an attempt to regulate an illegal activity.

Some are so stupid they swallow this crap- but what makes me angry are people who know it has nothing to do with discrimination and use that to gain support for illegal immigration issues. Why don't these people just tell the truth- they are for illegal immigration. Talking around the bush is just a ploy to keep the support of the people who aren't that smart. Just as the Pro-Choice people will not say they are pro-abortion...pro-choice surely isn't about what flavor of ice cream to buy so why don't they admit what it is they are supporting. The double speak is annoying.

12 posted on 05/09/2009 7:35:15 AM PDT by Tammy8 (Please Support & pray for our Troops; they serve us every day. Veterans are heroes not terrorists!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

What is it about the water they drink in Southern Californa that makes LA Times editors so moronic?


13 posted on 05/09/2009 7:42:33 AM PDT by Zathras
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To: staytrue

“It” is about sheer numbers and associated costs. Are Mexican illegal immigrants more visible? Yes, they are more visible outside of the southwest, Pacific coast and Florida. There is a problem even there, where they aren’t so visible too, though, so the old racist slur isn’t going to wash. You’re really reaching, in order to taint people who merely want the law upheld, in the face of how many tens of millions? Nobody appears to really know, and why is that? Public services are being sorely strained, at a time when many states no longer have the ability to fund the basics, let alone liberal pipedreams like free healthcare and schooling for every foreign national who wants to crash the gate.


14 posted on 05/09/2009 7:44:13 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: staytrue

You don’t speak for me. Militarize the border (including ports) and throw every mick and Ivan out of the country. I am an American of Irish decent from Boston. My family emigrated legally, paid taxes, served their nation in time of war and integrated with this country. They didn’t see America as one big free lunch when you walk over the border. They saw it as the opportunity it still is.


15 posted on 05/09/2009 7:45:28 AM PDT by When do we get liberated?
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
that's no excuse for legalizing discrimination

1) It is fitting and proper that we "discriminate" against criminals. By definition, criminals put themselves outside the law and thus cannot claim all the sympathies a society accords its more just members.

2) It is also no excuse for legalizing illegality. These immigrants are in the country illegally and are not legal beneficiaries of our largesse.

3) The assistance provided these illegals robs legitimate citizens, who then absorb the suffering while doing nothing to earn it. It is grossly unfair that law-abiding citizens be burdened with the care of lawbreakers.

16 posted on 05/09/2009 7:47:41 AM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: staytrue
It is about race. No one would be mad if they were white russian or irish illegals

If there were 20-30 million Caucasians from any Country living here illegally, I would still be mad.

17 posted on 05/09/2009 7:48:32 AM PDT by OCC
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
How about illegal immigrant mothers deported with children within 24 hours?

Police at all ERs and medical clinics with orders to check citizenship. Same results for illegals.

Do that for a month and you would see the illegals flee on their own and you could reduce and then eliminate the police presence at medical facilities.

Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)

LonePalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)

18 posted on 05/09/2009 7:53:57 AM PDT by LonePalm (Commander and Chef)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

At least the citizens are trying. The initiative wouldn’t be necessary if the legislature were responsive to the public.


19 posted on 05/09/2009 8:05:13 AM PDT by Birch T. Barlow (Go Mariners! Certain 2009 AL West champions!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
But that's no excuse for legalizing discrimination, which is precisely what would happen under a state ballot initiative now in the signature-gathering stage and targeted for next year's June election. If passed, it would require all parents of newborns in California to prove U.S. citizenship or legal residency in order to receive their baby's birth certificate. Those who could not would have to pay a $75 fee for a certificate noting the child's "Birth to a Foreign Parent."

I fail to see how this is "discrimination", much less how it legalizes such. I do know the difference between "to be discriminate" and "discrimination", though. To be discriminate is to be selective based on experience and knowledge; discrimination is stereo-typing based on race, etc. and having no provable substance to it.

And finally, in willful ignorance of previous California Supreme Court rulings, the measure would attempt to deny health benefits to illegal immigrants.

This statement is quite laughable, as the the LAT itself calls for the wanton disregard of the people's will and laws they pass (Prop. 8, for example). For the LAT and their ilk, the people are above the government, not the other way around.

Funny, how the LAT will call for the people to disregard what the government says when it suits them, but attempt to tell them they must obey the law when they (the LAT) agrees with it.

20 posted on 05/09/2009 8:05:19 AM PDT by jeffc (They're coming to take me away! Ha-ha, hey-hey, ho-ho!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
a certificate noting the child's "Birth to a Foreign Parent."

Cutting off a whole lot of future presidential candidates I assume.

21 posted on 05/09/2009 8:06:16 AM PDT by Don Corleone (Leave the gun..take the cannoli now reads "Oil the gun..eat the cannolis.")
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
If we're not supposed to discriminate as to who belongs on which side of our borders, they why did the Left make such a big deal of Bush invading other countries? Wasn't he just refusing to discriminate based on border?

-PJ

22 posted on 05/09/2009 8:21:41 AM PDT by Political Junkie Too (This just in... Voting Republican is a Terrorist act!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
If passed, it would require all parents of newborns in California to prove U.S. citizenship or legal residency in order to receive their baby's birth certificate. Those who could not would have to pay a $75 fee for a certificate noting the child's "Birth to a Foreign Parent."

I'm for it way to go!!!I didn't knock you up and you are not my problem.

23 posted on 05/09/2009 8:22:48 AM PDT by org.whodat (Auto unions bad: Machinists union good=Hypocrisy)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
What is it about libtard newspapers that make them constantly attack the very country that allows them to spew their endless evil. You guys are about done. What you are is on display for all to see. Libtards and commies came to power by fooling the American people. They are not fooled anymore.
24 posted on 05/09/2009 8:23:06 AM PDT by Nuc1 (NUC1 Sub pusher SSN 668 (Liberals Aren't Patriots))
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

What a surprise that a sane, survival oriented, will of the people ballot initiative that should have been the law of the land throughout, is seen as “mean” by the culture of death pansies at the LA Times.

“We are broke, and everyone that pays taxes is fleeing the state, so let’s not do anything to upset the applecart.”


25 posted on 05/09/2009 8:26:47 AM PDT by spodefly (This is my tag line. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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To: staytrue
It is about race. No one would be mad if they were white russian or irish illegals (oh that’s right, no one is mad about the russian or irish illegals).

BS, if you came here illegally, if you are a visa overstay, get the hell out and stop all guest worker BS. However, the farm worker programs can remain as long as they spend six months a year in their own country.

26 posted on 05/09/2009 8:26:56 AM PDT by org.whodat (Auto unions bad: Machinists union good=Hypocrisy)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Oh, and one last thing — if everything else was exactly the same, but Mexico was populated by white, Christian families instead of noble protected brown people, there would be no issues whatsoever with enforcing existing laws, “breaking up families”, and sealing the border ... the LA Times would be completely mute on the subject.


27 posted on 05/09/2009 8:31:35 AM PDT by spodefly (This is my tag line. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Sounds good to me.


28 posted on 05/09/2009 8:32:07 AM PDT by Uncle Hal
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Those are federally mandated benefits, beyond the reach of state law.

Well, sure, for states that are run by cowards and weaklings.

29 posted on 05/09/2009 8:34:33 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: staytrue
It is about race. No one would be mad if they were white russian or irish illegals (oh that’s right, no one is mad about the russian or irish illegals).

My wife is a native-born citizen who is Latina. And she is more opposed to illegal immigration than I am.

So take your race card and shove it.

30 posted on 05/09/2009 8:59:25 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: raybbr

The opening question in the LA Times editorial is interesting for its open admission that there is such a phenomenon as illegal immigration. Normally, liberals of this bent don’t believe in borders and, therefore, reject the notion of making it a crime to penetrate something that doesn’t exist.


31 posted on 05/09/2009 9:11:42 AM PDT by DPMD (~)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Although neither the U.S. Supreme Court nor Congress has ever explicitly ruled on whether the U.S.-born children of illegal immigrants are entitled to citizenship under the 14th Amendment, the assumption has long been that they are.

Well, there you go. We are not a nation of laws. We're a nation of assumptions.

And in the next sentence, the LA Times calls for debate if there are "genuine doubts" that the assumption is wrong.

LOL. It's been reported 80% of US citizens want our border secure and D.C. is swamped with calls against amnesty every time the policretins attempt to pass another one over on US.

And the LA Times still wants proof that there are genuine doubts about the non-interpretation of the 14th Amendment?

I wonder if these open border advocates will ever get past their love and compassion for their slave labor supporters in the U.S. chamber of commerce and consider that some day, they or their family members may be in need of oh, say a medical device implant manufactured in oh say, Abbott Vascular in Temecula CA?

Abbott contracts with a janitorial service, UBS, whose workers didn't always understand what was being said when they were asked to provide ID for a temporary pass needed to access the property on Ynez.

The UBS people clean everywhere in the manufactory.

Political gangstas and their chamber of commerce advisors might want to keep in mind that stints and whatnot leaving the property bound for operating rooms around the world could eventually be used on them or their family or friends.

Would they be willing to risk asuming the device is as sterile as it is implied to be by their surgeon?

How much time is spent esplaining to the patient the origins of the device or the health of the people who clean the clean rooms?

Yeah. We are a nation of ASSumptors.

32 posted on 05/09/2009 9:23:06 AM PDT by MurrietaMadman (Luke 23:31)
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To: staytrue
It is about race. No one would be mad if they were white russian or irish illegals (oh that’s right, no one is mad about the russian or irish illegals).

For maybe one or two percent, maybe. But, for the rest of us, it is nothing whatsoever to with race.

Your assertion is itself, in fact, quite racist. It accuses whites (and only whites) of harboring selective outrage. How, then, do you explain my friends and neighbors of Mexican extraction who are also vehemently anti-illegal?

You have a lot to learn.

33 posted on 05/09/2009 9:25:52 AM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: OCC

White Russian and Irish Illegals don’t think America should be Russia or Ireland. They believe in and support America.

Illegals from Mexico believe this is their land and are doing everything they can to get it back........and trashing it up all along the way so it will look just like Mexico does.....full of garbage, sewage, and trash.........

Ireland and not even Russia look like that.........


34 posted on 05/09/2009 9:30:39 AM PDT by JNRoberts
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To: JNRoberts

Good point.


35 posted on 05/09/2009 11:18:32 AM PDT by OCC
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To: dirtboy

Nice shot. These liberals around here are maddening.


36 posted on 05/09/2009 1:21:29 PM PDT by Luke21
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

One obvious explanation for the editorial slant of the LA Times: Its parent corporation (Tribune Co.) also owns 50% of the largest Spanish-language newspaper in Los Angeles (”LA Opinion”).

And as we all know, more Hispanics in the region (legal or not) means more business for Tribune Co. there too.


37 posted on 05/09/2009 3:30:04 PM PDT by research99
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To: Oldeconomybuyer; 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; ...

Ping!


38 posted on 05/10/2009 11:48:43 AM PDT by HiJinx (~ Support Our Troops ~ www.AmericaSupportsYou.mil ~)
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To: The Spirit Of Allegiance
Great stuff! We had a thread on this the other day, 287G is the only answer.
39 posted on 05/10/2009 12:14:41 PM PDT by rodguy911 (HOME OF THE FREE BECAUSE OF THE BRAVE--GO SARAHCUDA !!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Rise in number of Irish deported from US

"Ms Fincham said this meant that undocumented Irish who were caught up in routine traffic stops and were asked for ID were forced to use their passports for identification, which would show they were in the country illegally.

"Even though a violation of immigration laws is a civil rather than a criminal offence, those who await deportation are often held with common criminals. The standard waiting time in the New York consular area is four to six weeks."

[End of quotes]

More news on this follows provided by WoC Ersatz News Service:

"When confronted all a white undocumented immigrant has to do is say, 'It's about the race, dummy! I'm white!' The indignant immigrant usually receives a personal apology from the local authorities within a week.

"We could not verify that this is true but it sure is accepted by a lot of people so we'll go with it. We're PC, too!"

40 posted on 05/10/2009 12:38:07 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Ted Hilton is on Terry Anderson show right now...


41 posted on 05/10/2009 9:23:04 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: When do we get liberated?

I like minefields. They don’t discriminate by race, sex,creed,relgion...or gender preference.

A mine doesn’t need a union or pension plan either.


42 posted on 05/12/2009 10:37:48 AM PDT by WOBBLY BOB (ACORN:American Corruption for Obama Right Now)
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To: staytrue
It is about race.

Bull crap! And you know better than that.

sw

43 posted on 05/12/2009 11:05:22 AM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife)
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