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Deputy Shoots Teen Carrying Toy Gun In Palmdale
CBS News ^ | 5/11/2009 | AP

Posted on 05/11/2009 12:48:00 PM PDT by RLM

Authorities said a 15-year-old boy playing "cops and robbers" with a toy gun was shot and wounded by a Los Angeles County sheriff's deputy who mistook it for the real thing.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: banglist; donutwatch; guns; police; shooting; teens; toyguns
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An unfortunate incident, both for the kid and for the deputy. Fortunately the kid will live to see another day. I can't blame the cop since cops that hesitate when faced with a gun, sometimes end up dead. I blame the parents for not teaching the kid to avoid an aggressive act toward a cop, even while playing.
1 posted on 05/11/2009 12:48:00 PM PDT by RLM
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To: RLM
POW! POW! POW!

Stop or I'll shoot!

2 posted on 05/11/2009 12:50:25 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Muslims reserve the right to kill anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: RLM

but instead he pointed it at deputies.

Or turned to look at whoever shouted.


3 posted on 05/11/2009 12:51:05 PM PDT by DeLaine (Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter. (MLK))
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To: RLM

As I read this I am thinking of how the grunts on the ground dubbed the “new” M-16 a “Matty Matel” back in the day.


4 posted on 05/11/2009 12:52:00 PM PDT by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: RLM
I blame the parents for not teaching the kid to avoid an aggressive act toward a cop, even while playing.

I'm as anti-gun as the Brady Bunch when it comes to toy guns. My kids are not allowed to play with toy guns, not even allowed to touch them. [Real guns are a different story - my kids are allowed to shoot for real any time they want to, although they need my permission and supervision each time they shoot. The penalty for a safety violation? A one year "time out" from all shooting, to wait for them to mature enough that they can handle firearms safely.]

5 posted on 05/11/2009 12:56:24 PM PDT by TurtleUp (Turtle up: cancel optional spending until 2012, and boycott TARP/stimulus companies forever!)
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To: RLM

Where in the human anatomy is the Palmdale located, LOL? The CBS headline writer needs some basic grammar lessons.


6 posted on 05/11/2009 12:56:25 PM PDT by Bernard Marx ("Civilizations die by suicide, not from murder" Toynbee)
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To: RLM

I thought those toy guns are supposed to have a neon orange “plug” at the end of the barrel so cops could know it was a toy. Maybe the kid took it out.

My twin grandsons have a few of these guns that they’re only allowed to use on my 33 acres. They love them, but they can’t take them back home to Santa Clara for exactly this reason.

Sure glad the kid will recover.


7 posted on 05/11/2009 12:56:53 PM PDT by EggsAckley ("There's an Ethiopian in the fuel supply." W.C Fields)
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To: RLM

Wow. As someone that played “cops and robbers” or simply “guns” as we called it when I was a kid, I recall it being decidedly less lethal even with more realistic looking toy guns.

The cops always say they were drawn on first. Hmm..


8 posted on 05/11/2009 1:00:12 PM PDT by Smogger
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To: EggsAckley

Maybe it was an older heirloom toy, although those are not difficult to retrofit with orange plugs.


9 posted on 05/11/2009 1:01:13 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Beat a better path, and the world will build a mousetrap at your door.)
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To: RLM

“15-year-old boy playing “cops and robbers”

My 12 year old son does not play that anymore.


10 posted on 05/11/2009 1:01:20 PM PDT by edcoil (Taxes only help an evil government)
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To: RLM

In my day our toy guns were shiny and fit in frilled holsters that matched our cowboy hats and absurd gloves we were convinced every cowboy wore on the range.


11 posted on 05/11/2009 1:01:36 PM PDT by yazoo (was)
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To: Bernard Marx

Right below the Isles of Langerhans?


12 posted on 05/11/2009 1:03:40 PM PDT by Sudetenland (Partial-birth abortions are state sanctioned torture.)
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To: edcoil

Could have been airsoft. I have an MP5k that you’d swear was real from anything beyond arms length distance.


13 posted on 05/11/2009 1:04:53 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (III)
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To: Vaquero

I actually know one idiot who thinks M-16s were actually made by Mattel.

No sense trying to educate that mutt.


14 posted on 05/11/2009 1:05:02 PM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: Bernard Marx

“Where in the human anatomy is the Palmdale located, LOL? The CBS headline writer needs some basic grammar lessons.”

I parsed it. From what I can tell the sentence is correct, but I ain’t no grammarian. I think a better way would have been Palmdale Deputy shoots teen carrying toy gun.


15 posted on 05/11/2009 1:05:15 PM PDT by yazoo (was)
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To: SJSAMPLE
I actually know one idiot who thinks M-16s were actually made by Mattel.

If I recall correctly the reason it was called that was because when the rifle was first fielded Mattel actually produced the plastic components (like the butt stock). Of course that was before my time so perhaps someone could clear the air on that military rumor.

16 posted on 05/11/2009 1:14:51 PM PDT by chargers fan
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To: TurtleUp
I'll admit I played with them plenty when I was a kid. Being the ever history nerd I would imagine myself leading a charge across no man's land in World War I or leading the defense of a firebase in Vietnam... Yeah, I had an active imagination.

I don't think the harm itself comes from playing with toy guns, I think that it comes from doing so in an innapropriate place (ie somewhere other than the backyard).

17 posted on 05/11/2009 1:18:00 PM PDT by chargers fan
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To: edcoil

I was thinking the same thing,15 and still playing cops and robbers. I was thinking girls, fishing , girls,girls,


18 posted on 05/11/2009 1:18:10 PM PDT by bikerman (Free men do not ask permission to bear arms.)
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To: edcoil

I was thinking the same thing,15 and still playing cops and robbers. I was thinking girls, fishing , girls,girls,


19 posted on 05/11/2009 1:18:49 PM PDT by bikerman (Free men do not ask permission to bear arms.)
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To: Smogger
The cops always say they were drawn on first. Hmm..

You obviously don't know much about Palmdale. South Central Los Angeles mitigated their drug/gang problem by paying families of gang members to move to outlying cities like Palmdale. Palmdale now has one of the worse gang/drug problems in the state.

A 15-year old points a gun at you and you don't fire at your peril. Many of these 15-year olds are not children by any measure other than age. They are street wise and dangerous.

20 posted on 05/11/2009 1:20:53 PM PDT by Ben Mugged ("You cannot legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the wealthy out of freedom".)
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To: Sudetenland

LOL


21 posted on 05/11/2009 1:21:15 PM PDT by Bernard Marx ("Civilizations die by suicide, not from murder" Toynbee)
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To: chargers fan

No.
The original material was bakelite, and not made by mattel.
After that, the handguards were fiberglass and the pistol grip and stock were plastic, but not made my Mattel.

Only one thing true about this, though:
In the John Wayne film, “The Green Berets” (1968), John Wayne smashes the “M-16” of fallen Sergeant Kowalski (Mike Henry) against a tree. You can see that it isn’t a real M-16, but a toy rifle made by Mattel around that era. The rifle splinters into a number of plastic fragments and you can see the oversized waffle mag.

You can’t smash a real M-16 that easily.


22 posted on 05/11/2009 1:22:02 PM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: yazoo
Palmdale Deputy shoots teen carrying toy gun.

Now we're cookin'

23 posted on 05/11/2009 1:23:14 PM PDT by Bernard Marx ("Civilizations die by suicide, not from murder" Toynbee)
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To: RLM
About 10 years ago a friends son and a friend of his were in the back seat of his grandparents car. They were shooting water pistols out the window, not hitting anyone or anything but the road. Someone dialed 911, said there was shooting going on.

This ended with 2 12 year old boys handcuffed and slammed across the hood of a car, and the grandparents in shock.

The water pistols were lime green, obviously toys.

You best not expect me to take everything a cop says as true, without proof. Too many of them just look for excuses to show off their power.

24 posted on 05/11/2009 1:23:33 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT, A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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To: TurtleUp
My kids are not allowed to play with toy guns, not even allowed to touch them.

eh... why? Seems pointless. In my experiance kids without toy guns will turn leogs, sticks, brooms, hands, or just air into every manner of weapon system. Utterly pointless to deny them actual toys.
25 posted on 05/11/2009 1:26:33 PM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: SJSAMPLE

Snopes agrees with you
http://www.snopes.com/military/m16.asp


26 posted on 05/11/2009 1:27:23 PM PDT by chargers fan
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To: Bernard Marx
Yeah, except it should say "brandishing" not "carrying."

Sorry folks, but the kid deserved it. In this day and age anyone...even a 15 year old ought to know not to point a toy gun at a cop at night.

Won't make the cop feel any better about it, but it was a "good shooting."
27 posted on 05/11/2009 1:28:36 PM PDT by Sudetenland (Partial-birth abortions are state sanctioned torture.)
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To: Bernard Marx

Palmdale is in the California desert, north and east of LA.

Home of Lockheed and Boeing.


28 posted on 05/11/2009 1:28:49 PM PDT by School of Rational Thought (Somali want a cracker?)
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To: Bernard Marx

Palmdale is in the California desert, north and east of LA.

Home of Lockheed and Boeing operations.


29 posted on 05/11/2009 1:29:11 PM PDT by School of Rational Thought (Somali want a cracker?)
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To: EggsAckley

I have a “air soft” Baretta replica that is, to my eye, indistinguishable from the real thing. I bought it about 5 years ago, and it has no orange “plug”. I don’t think those are removable, so he might have had an older gun.

I realize how dangerous the “toy” that I have is, and it never leaves the house. I use it for gun safety training to test my kids.

“What do you do?”

“STOP. DON’T TOUCH. TELL AN ADULT!”


30 posted on 05/11/2009 1:35:11 PM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, Bowman later)
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To: School of Rational Thought

Been there many times. Thanks for the double “clarification” though.


31 posted on 05/11/2009 1:42:15 PM PDT by Bernard Marx ("Civilizations die by suicide, not from murder" Toynbee)
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To: edcoil
“15-year-old boy playing “cops and robbers” My 12 year old son does not play that anymore.

My first thought as well.

32 posted on 05/11/2009 1:44:41 PM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Joe Brower

BANG!!


33 posted on 05/11/2009 1:44:46 PM PDT by HotLead61 (Death as a Free Man is much preferred to "life" as a slave)
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To: SJSAMPLE

I had heard that the stocks were made by Mattel, but that’s it.


34 posted on 05/11/2009 1:46:41 PM PDT by HotLead61 (Death as a Free Man is much preferred to "life" as a slave)
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To: MrB

What really worries me are the pink and blue CCW guns. Is it a water pistol or a real gun?

It would be pretty easy for a kid to mistake a pink gun for a toy or a cop to hesitate, thinking he was facing a toy.

Guns should look like guns and toys should look like toys.


35 posted on 05/11/2009 1:51:22 PM PDT by MediaMole
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To: RLM

Are they color blind? Did the kid remove the bright red plastic at the tip of the barrel?


36 posted on 05/11/2009 1:53:04 PM PDT by SkyDancer ('Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not..' ~ Thomas Jefferson)
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To: edcoil

My first thought was that the upper age range for that type of game would be about 10-11.


37 posted on 05/11/2009 1:56:41 PM PDT by NEMDF
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To: RLM

Can’t blame the cop? Are you stupid or what? When I was a kid we all(the kids)owned .45 peace maker look alikes. They were cap guns but a cop could tell the difference and never shot any of us. This is excusable.


38 posted on 05/11/2009 1:59:05 PM PDT by calex59
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To: EggsAckley

While the article initially referred to it as a “toy” it later had “He said the teen apparently had been playing ‘cops and robbers’ using a replica gun that resembled a black semiautomatic pistol with brown grips.”
There’s a big difference between a toy gun and a replica gun.


39 posted on 05/11/2009 2:00:48 PM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink)
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To: edcoil

My though exactly. What 15 year old still plays cops and robbers? Unless he just got off the “short bus”.


40 posted on 05/11/2009 2:03:15 PM PDT by stinkerpot65 (Global warming is a Marxist lie.)
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To: SkyDancer

Must be.
When a firearm is pointed at me, I’ll be sure to focus on the color of a 1/4” piece of plastic at the muzzle.


41 posted on 05/11/2009 2:04:45 PM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: SJSAMPLE
Either the bright orange tip is there or not. But this just in:

If you're going to take the orange tip off a toy gun that lets everybody know it's a fake, don't point it at a real cop. (LA Times)

42 posted on 05/11/2009 2:06:15 PM PDT by SkyDancer ('Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not..' ~ Thomas Jefferson)
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To: edcoil
edcoil said: "My 12 year old son does not play that anymore."

I recall being teased unmercifully when I was about 12 and was observed by a class mate playing "cops and robbers" with my two younger brothers. Big brothers do have to make sacrifices.

43 posted on 05/11/2009 2:17:00 PM PDT by William Tell
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To: RLM
A number of years ago I was approaching an intersection where I intended to turn right. A car pulled up on my left and a guy in the passenger seat pointed a gun at me. My instinct was to pull my big truck hard left into the car to mess up his shot. As my muscles were beginning to respond to that thought I realized that it was a silver toy space gun and I corrected and made my right turn.

I had about two seconds tops to take it all in and react. If I had crashed into those teenager's car I wouldn't have felt any remorse for it. When someone draws down on you with a gun you don't always have a lot of time to see who it is, what it is or how serious they are about it. What your mind first sees is someone pointing a gun at you.

I still feel fortunate that my mind sorted it out so fast because I only saw it for an instant. I didn't have time to keep watching him and drive the truck. I had just looked to my left briefly at the same moment he raised the gun and pointed it at me.

44 posted on 05/11/2009 2:39:12 PM PDT by TigersEye (Cloward-Piven Strategy)
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To: SkyDancer
But this just in:

If cops can be lulled into complacency by an orange tip on a gun then smart crooks should paint their gun tips orange.

45 posted on 05/11/2009 2:42:32 PM PDT by TigersEye (Cloward-Piven Strategy)
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To: RLM

Cops 1, Robbers 0.


46 posted on 05/11/2009 2:53:05 PM PDT by CGTRWK
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To: TigersEye

Saw that before ... it’s a quandary isn’t it? So what do cops do? In the dark they see a red tip and think it’s a fake gun and they get shot, or, they shoot anyway and find out it’s some kid ... can’t win for loosing ....


47 posted on 05/11/2009 2:54:31 PM PDT by SkyDancer ('Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not..' ~ Thomas Jefferson)
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To: SkyDancer

Actually they aren’t likely to see red in the dark. The human eye doesn’t detect red very well in low light. Perhaps you should ask yourself what you would do if someone suddenly pointed a gun at you. You can always take the “wait and see” approach I guess. Cops are responsible for more than their own lives so they might not want to do that.


48 posted on 05/11/2009 3:07:58 PM PDT by TigersEye (Cloward-Piven Strategy)
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To: TigersEye

So I guess the best thing to do is either remove that red thing or paint the whole gun red ....


49 posted on 05/11/2009 3:15:23 PM PDT by SkyDancer ('Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not..' ~ Thomas Jefferson)
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To: TalonDJ
eh... why? Seems pointless. In my experiance kids without toy guns will turn leogs, sticks, brooms, hands, or just air into every manner of weapon system. Utterly pointless to deny them actual toys.

Not quite pointless. They're allowed to play with stick guns, lego guns, broom guns, finger guns, ray guns, and all sorts of other non-standard guns. What they're not allowed to do is to point anything that looks like a gun in any direction except what would be a safe direction if they held a real gun. I don't want anyone to misunderstand their actions like this cop may have done. They don't have much interest in toy guns in any case; the real thing is much more fun.

50 posted on 05/11/2009 3:38:21 PM PDT by TurtleUp (Turtle up: cancel optional spending until 2012, and boycott TARP/stimulus companies forever!)
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