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Here comes California's May 19 Rebellion
Examiner ^ | 5/10/09 | Hugh Hewitt

Posted on 05/11/2009 7:16:43 PM PDT by pissant

California voters head to the polls next week with predictions of doom echoing in their ears if they decline to endorse the massive tax hikes prescribed for them by big Democratic majorities in the statehouse, Arnold and a handful of now ruined-politically Republican legislators.

"Shrill" doesn't begin to describe the campaign designed to stampede the Golden State electorate. The latest ad has a weary, soot-covered fire-fighter urging a yes vote on the tax hike. The message is clear: Vote no and your homes will burn down.

Not even this sort of fear-mongering is moving the needle towards "yes" on the massive tax surge on next week's ballot as poll after poll shows all the key measures put forward by the tax-and-spend-and tax-again crowd failing badly.

Arnold is doing his best to summon up the old magic but his appeal long ago hit Gray Davis-levels. Arnold was elected to slash taxes and spending, and somehow he confused that mandate with orders to throw in with the public employee unions. Too bad. He could have been a contender.

The GOP "leaders" who signed on to this roadmap to ruin have been dumped by their caucuses, and go down in California history as the biggest marks to have ever had a seat at the poker game known as the "Big Five" negotiations wherein the governor and the top Republicans and Democrats in the State Assembly and Senate hash out budget matters.

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Lets hope CA has enough sense left
1 posted on 05/11/2009 7:16:43 PM PDT by pissant
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To: pissant

If the taxes proposals fail, what does CA do next? Backdoor the taxes? Beg for more federal money?


2 posted on 05/11/2009 7:20:37 PM PDT by CriticalJ
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To: CriticalJ
If the taxes proposals fail, what does CA do next? Backdoor the taxes? Beg for more federal money?

Declare bankruptcy and tell the union thugs to go pound sand.

3 posted on 05/11/2009 7:22:50 PM PDT by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order.)
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To: CriticalJ

They will get a judge to impose it.


4 posted on 05/11/2009 7:24:29 PM PDT by HapaxLegamenon
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To: pissant
If not....the state / federal black robes (judges) have "gone wild",
for far too long
.....bad laws / bad judges.
5 posted on 05/11/2009 7:25:57 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass (make no mistake...If you run a war by lawyers, you'll lose practically every time. :^)
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To: pissant

The voters will deliver the message. The corrupt rulers, the special interests and the unions, reinforced by the courts, will find a way to ignore it or overturn it. Then we will see what the voters will do.


6 posted on 05/11/2009 7:26:08 PM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget (July 4, 2009 see you there))
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To: HapaxLegamenon

Probably.


7 posted on 05/11/2009 7:26:19 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: pissant

They can pass resolutions out their ears but can’t do squat about those Rats in Sacramento. Sickening.


8 posted on 05/11/2009 7:27:25 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Beat a better path, and the world will build a mousetrap at your door.)
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To: CriticalJ

I prefer a pitchfork revolution to oust the worthless bastards in Sacramento and start over.


9 posted on 05/11/2009 7:29:29 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: pissant
The first logical step would indeed be massive downsizing in the state government outside of public safety and education.

See, this is what I dislike about Hewitt. This is an excellent article but it completely ignores the elephant in the room. Hewitt has a habit of doing this. C'mon Hugh - get to the root cause of why CA is bankrupt. I can name four off the top of my head:

(1) Illegals
(2) Children of Illegals
(3) state public unions
(4) Bloated state government

10 posted on 05/11/2009 7:29:35 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist ("President Obama, your agenda is not new, it's not change, and it's not hope" - Rush Limbaugh 02/28)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Hugh was an illegal alien coddler ala Medved before Mitt started talking tough on illegals in the primary. Then he did a 180 so fast I got whiplash. Maybe he can revise A Mormon in the Whitehouse for 2012. LOL


11 posted on 05/11/2009 7:31:41 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

I love Hugh’s show, but he’s got a tin ear for Politics and doesn’t know squat about football.


12 posted on 05/11/2009 7:35:05 PM PDT by Hoosier-Daddy ("It does no good to be a super power if you have to worry what the neighbors think." BuffaloJack)
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To: ccmay

“Declare bankruptcy and tell the union thugs to go pound sand. “

Somehow I don’t see that happening. They aren’t even allowed to lower union wagers without losing their porkulus money. Breaking the union by bankruptcy would probably mean losing all federal money.


13 posted on 05/11/2009 7:40:08 PM PDT by CriticalJ
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To: CriticalJ
If the taxes proposals fail, what does CA do next? Backdoor the taxes? Beg for more federal money?

Well they could cut spending or sell assets.

14 posted on 05/11/2009 7:40:41 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

“This is an excellent article but it completely ignores the elephant in the room. “

This is common in all media now.

Last week, I saw article after article about 0bama going after the companies “benefiting” from offshoring. I didn’t see any talking about why companies offshored in the first place. Fix that problem and the others would fall into line.


15 posted on 05/11/2009 7:43:25 PM PDT by CriticalJ
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To: HapaxLegamenon

Is that possible? State or federal judge(s)? What are the mechanism(s) to do this?


16 posted on 05/11/2009 7:43:41 PM PDT by GOPsterinMA (Where can I take 'Austrian' lessons?)
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To: Vince Ferrer

“Well they could cut spending or sell assets.”

Common sense dictates that this is a good move, therefore I don’t think it will happen.

I have noticed that no one has mentioned sending the illegals home.

A side question on the topic of CA. I read Liberty and Tyranny recently. It seems like the illegals are destroying the health care system of CA, in a large part due to the ease of entry through emergency rooms. Can hospitals close ER’s or is that dictated by the state?


17 posted on 05/11/2009 7:46:46 PM PDT by CriticalJ
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To: GOPsterinMA

Tax Revolt. If the public votes it down and a judge shoves it down the voters throat, no way in Hell should the people pay.


18 posted on 05/11/2009 7:52:08 PM PDT by Hoosier-Daddy ("It does no good to be a super power if you have to worry what the neighbors think." BuffaloJack)
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To: pissant

Getting rid of those boards, commissions, and such that pay unemployed political hacks and stalwarts six-figure incomes could easily save enough to hire 1,700 firefighters. IMO.


19 posted on 05/11/2009 7:52:14 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: HapaxLegamenon

Don’t think so...they remember Rose bird.


20 posted on 05/11/2009 7:55:18 PM PDT by achilles2000 (Shouting "fire" in a burning building is doing everyone a favor...whether they like it or not)
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To: pissant

This California voter will hit the poll early next Tuesday, and vote no across the board.


21 posted on 05/11/2009 7:55:53 PM PDT by norge
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To: CriticalJ

Illegals are costing CA billions a year.

From social services, crime, etc.

Yes it would be nice to send the illegals home.
With around 20 million + rounding them up and shipping them back. Do you think the tens of millions of Liberals and the MSM will let that happen. Think not.

I blame the people in other states who hire them.


22 posted on 05/11/2009 8:01:57 PM PDT by SoCalPol (Reagan Republican for Palin 2012)
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To: Hoosier-Daddy

But how can this be done? Do judges have the power to raise taxes?


23 posted on 05/11/2009 8:04:16 PM PDT by GOPsterinMA (Where can I take 'Austrian' lessons?)
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To: GOPsterinMA
Some judge will simply decide it. It happen to us in Kansas City twenty years ago.

Check this out:

click here

24 posted on 05/11/2009 8:09:35 PM PDT by HapaxLegamenon
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To: HapaxLegamenon

Holy Sh$t! I had never heard of this before. That cannot be constitutional. Wow...I’m speechless...


25 posted on 05/11/2009 8:20:52 PM PDT by GOPsterinMA (Where can I take 'Austrian' lessons?)
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To: HapaxLegamenon

The legislature and gov should have said no.


26 posted on 05/11/2009 8:22:04 PM PDT by nufsed (Release the birth certificate, school and passport records.)
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To: SoCalPol

I know it is not a simple as putting them on a bus and shipping them back. Would that it were. Just wondering if the state could start curtailing the benefits that are (IMO) illegally received by the illegals.

Hell, that probably wouldn’t work. It might help CA, but the illegals would just flee north and east.


27 posted on 05/11/2009 8:27:25 PM PDT by CriticalJ
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To: pissant

Conservatives were never fooled by Arnold. Look at our posts back when he first got elected. We knew who and what Arnold was. He married a Kennedy who is a devoted liberal, for cryin out loud.

He was a moderate at best starting out. He was always to the left on social issues. He shifted to the left fiscally and socially ever since then.

It should not surprise anyone. We saw it coming.


28 posted on 05/11/2009 8:31:28 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: pissant

It’ll be our own personal “May Day.”


29 posted on 05/11/2009 8:32:12 PM PDT by Marie2 (The second mouse gets the cheese.)
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To: nufsed

They tried. It took years before the US Supreme Court allowed their “no” to overrule the judge’s “yes”


30 posted on 05/11/2009 8:32:35 PM PDT by HapaxLegamenon
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To: HapaxLegamenon
Not my recollection. The ninth circuit said no toProp187 and Gay Davis, as one of his first major decisions, decided not to appeal it to the USSC.

No matter waht happened do it again.

31 posted on 05/11/2009 8:37:06 PM PDT by nufsed (Release the birth certificate, school and passport records.)
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To: HapaxLegamenon

PS: Arizona’s law has been upheld in court. Let’s copy their paper.


32 posted on 05/11/2009 8:37:46 PM PDT by nufsed (Release the birth certificate, school and passport records.)
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To: CriticalJ

When the Mexican gals are ready to have their kid, they come across and hit the ER.
When the illegals have their kids in the U.S. that kid is an automatic American Citizen. They get welfare, foodstamps, MediCal, etc.

The hospitals have to take care of the people who come into the ERs and the illegals use them as you would use
your regular Dr.

When the illegals commit crimes, they go through our justice system and into our prison system. Major costs.
If they were shipped back to Mexico, they just come back again to commit more crimes.


33 posted on 05/11/2009 8:46:04 PM PDT by SoCalPol (Reagan Republican for Palin 2012)
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To: paul51
The voters of California have given the Donks a strong majority in both houses. I'm not sure why anyone shoudl expect them to vote against more taxes. A microcosm of the USA, California has probably passed the point where 50+% of the voters are net consumers of government, rather than net taxpayers.

Of course there may be enough who are so stupid they don't realize this and want their goodies for free. "NO! I don't want to pay $X more a month to keep my goodies worth $XX rolling in." It's possible, but a thin hope to run an election on.

I predict the taxes will pass.

Will the last productive person leaving California please turn the lights out. (Oh, wait. The environmentalists are already covering that task.)

34 posted on 05/11/2009 8:50:59 PM PDT by Jack Black
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To: paul51

It’s already happening. Schwarzenegger cut $74 million from SEIU wages. They went to Obama and he told Schwarzegger to reinstate their wages or face the loss of $6.8 BILLION of stimulus money.

So Obama is shilling for the unions in CA, forcing labor cutbacks to be cancelled, destroying federalism. Obama the Chicao thug is strongarming the states to payback the unions. It is wrong and despicable. We are governed by a thugocracy.


35 posted on 05/11/2009 9:05:41 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: pissant

I have reached out for family and friends to vote NO across the board. Some have already done so by absentee ballot.


36 posted on 05/11/2009 11:12:36 PM PDT by karnage
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To: pissant

Tar - check.
Feathers - check.


37 posted on 05/11/2009 11:13:11 PM PDT by karnage
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To: Hoosier-Daddy

That’s right.


38 posted on 05/11/2009 11:14:56 PM PDT by karnage
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To: norge

I’m witchoo.


39 posted on 05/11/2009 11:15:14 PM PDT by karnage
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To: Secret Agent Man

Yep. I was a McClintock man. Arnold is full of himself and guano.


40 posted on 05/11/2009 11:16:03 PM PDT by karnage
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To: Jack Black

The taxes will not pass.


41 posted on 05/11/2009 11:16:47 PM PDT by karnage
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

It’s the Chicago Way.


42 posted on 05/11/2009 11:17:34 PM PDT by karnage
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Lets hope CA has enough sense left

These are the people who elect and re-elect Barbara Boxer, and vote overwhelmingly Democrat.
Forget about it.

43 posted on 05/11/2009 11:19:45 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: CriticalJ

“Breaking the union by bankruptcy would probably mean losing all federal money.”

Bring it on, can’t happen quick enough!!!

No bailouts, fire 3/4 of civil service workers, close all public schools!!!!


44 posted on 05/11/2009 11:20:34 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: CriticalJ

How about enforcing heavy fines on ALL employers, from families who employ gardeners and nannies, to factories and sweatshops, to food service?

Self-deportation. Paying for ICE guys to go door to door in a few select cities would be all you’d need. A great investment for California.


45 posted on 05/11/2009 11:26:26 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: pissant
I find it utterly astounding that the LSM and many others cannot understand a simple fact.

If a legislative body can work to create spending programs as most spend 90% of their time diddling in, then, by all means, that same legislative body can uncreate spending programs and spending levels.

The taxpaying citizen that still loves his/her country needs to stand up and scream this until the media covers the fact.

Continued handouts to illegals and other giveaway programs need to be the first to go, not to mention all the bilingual public school crap and 'enviro - give a Berkley grad a job' departments in CA. Of course no one talks about that in the news.

46 posted on 05/12/2009 2:27:04 AM PDT by RSmithOpt (Liberalism: Highway to Hell)
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To: pissant

This one is going to be heard loudly, like Prop 13 was 30 years ago. Can’t wait for it to happen.

As far as the predictions for a ‘meltdown’ of Cali government, I say to them stop threatening.

Just do it.


47 posted on 05/12/2009 2:31:15 AM PDT by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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To: dalereed

“Bring it on, can’t happen quick enough!!!”

I certainly agree, but those in charge on both sides of the political aisle would never let that happen.


48 posted on 05/12/2009 5:55:57 AM PDT by CriticalJ
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To: SoCalPol

I’ve read about this destructive cycle many times. No one with any power seems to want to stop it even though the long and short term effects are obviously destructive.

Very depressing.


49 posted on 05/12/2009 6:00:16 AM PDT by CriticalJ
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To: pissant

Such a “start over” needs done nationally.


50 posted on 05/12/2009 6:01:23 AM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, Bowman later)
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