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Soda Tax Weighed to Pay for Health Care
Wall Street Journal ^ | May 11 | Janet Adamy

Posted on 05/12/2009 2:35:48 AM PDT by PghBaldy

Senate leaders are considering new federal taxes on soda and other sugary drinks to help pay for an overhaul of the nation's health-care system.

The taxes would pay for only a fraction of the cost to expand health-insurance coverage to all Americans and would face strong opposition from the beverage industry. They also could spark a backlash from consumers who would have to pay several cents more for a soft drink.

On Tuesday, the Senate Finance Committee is set to hear proposals from about a dozen experts about how to pay for the comprehensive health-care overhaul that President Barack Obama wants to enact this year. Early estimates put the cost of the plan at around $1.2 trillion. The administration has so far only earmarked funds for about half of that amount.

The Center for Science in the Public Interest, a Washington-based watchdog group that pressures food companies to make healthier products, plans to propose a federal excise tax on soda, certain fruit drinks, energy drinks, sports drinks and ready-to-drink teas. It would not include most diet beverages. Excise taxes are levied on goods and manufacturers typically pass them on to consumers.

Senior staff members for some Democratic senators at the center of the effort to craft health-care legislation are weighing the idea behind closed doors, Senate aides said.

The Congressional Budget Office, which is providing lawmakers with cost estimates for each potential change in the health overhaul, included the option in a broad report on health-system financing in December. The office estimated that adding a tax of three cents per 12-ounce serving to these types of sweetened drinks would generate $24 billion over the next four years. So far, lawmakers have not indicated how big a tax they are considering.

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So far Obama got me on the cig tax. I also drink regular Pepsi...
1 posted on 05/12/2009 2:35:48 AM PDT by PghBaldy
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To: PghBaldy

Quit buying any sodas & kick their butts!


2 posted on 05/12/2009 2:38:43 AM PDT by DooDahhhh (AMEN)
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To: PghBaldy

Why not just tax our couches since parking our fat tuckuses on them is harming our health?


3 posted on 05/12/2009 2:44:36 AM PDT by Dahoser (The missus and I joined the NRA. Who says Obama can't inspire conservatives?)
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To: DooDahhhh

I quit cigs in 1978 and just last week terminated my addiction to Diet Coke. So when the rest of the population gives them up and drives yet another set of businesses out of the country, they will finally get around to breathing. But they are working on that as well with the personal carbon emission tax. King George would be proud.


4 posted on 05/12/2009 2:46:05 AM PDT by mazda77
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To: PghBaldy
As they once said on All In The Family...(paraphrase)

"Just put up a sign on the country, 'Closed-Owner Gone Nuts!'"

Washington is a place of lunatics, and Obama's coronation has finally given them permission to be their true selves.

Maybe when they start taxing sitting on your fat ass, watching TV and being sheeple, the voters will finally feel threatened enough to rise up and throw them all out.

5 posted on 05/12/2009 2:46:56 AM PDT by Darkwolf377
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To: PghBaldy

Time to Push Back Until! We have to limit the amount of money we will allow Congress to spend. It is our money, not theirs.

http://pushbackuntil.com


6 posted on 05/12/2009 2:49:19 AM PDT by DennisR (Look around - God gives countless, indisputable clues that He does, indeed, exist.)
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To: PghBaldy

When they talk about socialism in the abstract, the population gets behind them and say “Right On Brother!” And why not? Tax the anonymous “rich man” and give the money to ME!!!

But pretty soon the truth outs. There aren’t enough “rich men” to squeeze to get all they want.

So they come after “you and me”. Tax your gas, tax your electricity, tax your beer, cigs and sodas. Tax every nickel you earn, every nickel you save, every nickel you spend.

If the Stupid Party (that would be the R’s) has the brains and guts to remind the populus of these “populist issues” and start a steady drumbeat of reminders to the populus that OBAMA is the reason everything including the air you breathe is more expensive — it could go well for them.

Unfortunately, the (R)s are every bit as addicted to the peoples’ money as are the Rats. So I’m pessimistic it’ll ever happen.


7 posted on 05/12/2009 2:51:19 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Party? I don't have one anymore.)
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To: PghBaldy

I think we may have been separated at birth!


8 posted on 05/12/2009 2:52:32 AM PDT by pnut22
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To: Darkwolf377

>> Maybe when they start taxing sitting on your fat ass, watching TV and being sheeple

heh... now there’s an idea. The BBC has mastered taxing television. Why not the ‘Rats?


9 posted on 05/12/2009 2:53:10 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Party? I don't have one anymore.)
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To: PghBaldy

I bet he’s chicken to increase the tax on alcohol.


10 posted on 05/12/2009 2:55:01 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault ( Obama, you're off the island!)
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To: Nervous Tick
The BBC has mastered taxing television.

I didn't know that.

The other day I borrowed a BBC doc from the public library, and it began with a glaring piece of accepted-wisdom malarkey. It reminded me of all the liberal twits I know who quote the Beeb like it's gospel.

11 posted on 05/12/2009 2:55:07 AM PDT by Darkwolf377
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To: PghBaldy

[clueless on] Relax. This will only affect the 5% who make over $250,000/year. The rest of us won’t have out taxes raised a cent. Obama said so. [clueless off]


12 posted on 05/12/2009 2:55:37 AM PDT by DJ Frisat (Where's my bailout, Obama?)
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To: PghBaldy

Out of control spending! The Sugar Tax affects minorities, woman and children most of all. Recalibrate those vending machines... pay for health care by using sugar, or ingest Acesulfame-K, Aspartame, Saccharin, Stevia, and Sucralose. Bring back Cyclamates.


13 posted on 05/12/2009 2:56:05 AM PDT by NautiNurse (Blagojevich: a mediocre megalomaniac)
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To: DooDahhhh

OK so we now will nationalize Coke and Pepsi. Next target, Beef and pork...(You think I am KIDDING? The great Bacon Ban of 2010?)


14 posted on 05/12/2009 2:58:01 AM PDT by Shady (The Fairness Doctrine is ANYTHING but fair!!!!)
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To: PghBaldy

It’s for the childrunz.


15 posted on 05/12/2009 3:00:07 AM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Right Wing Assault
I bet he’s chicken to increase the tax on alcohol.

I think he did that at the same time he increased cigarette tax. It just didn't get as much coverage.

16 posted on 05/12/2009 3:02:50 AM PDT by muggs (If Obama is the answer, it must have been a stupid question)
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To: Darkwolf377

>> It reminded me of all the liberal twits I know who quote the Beeb like it’s gospel.

Yeah, we know a few of them too. Astonishing. The liberal venom of the BBC is impossible to disguise — it drips from essentially every faux news piece they do.

Check this out. It’s one of many (just google “british TV tax”):

http://www.turnoffyourtv.com/international/bbc.html


17 posted on 05/12/2009 3:04:31 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Party? I don't have one anymore.)
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To: PghBaldy

I drink regular soft drinks, about one daily. The day they pass such a tax, is the day I have bought my last one and will still with water, lemonaide, tea. And, sigh, I guess I’ll have to sell my stock in Pepsi...


18 posted on 05/12/2009 3:07:18 AM PDT by rigelkentaurus
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To: PghBaldy

Well....it’s about time something other than cigarettes was taxed! Cigarettes have been taxed to death to cover everything from sports arenas to SCHIP.

I’ve long said something like sugar or toilet paper should be taxed to pay for these things....the costs shouldn’t be saddled on just ONE consumer product...spread the burden.


19 posted on 05/12/2009 3:08:02 AM PDT by Kimberly GG (SARAH PALIN - Supports a "path to citizenship" for ILLEGAL ALIENS.)
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To: NautiNurse

>> pay for health care by using sugar, or ingest Acesulfame-K, Aspartame, Saccharin, Stevia, and Sucralose.

Don’t worry, it won’t be either/or. They’ll tax artificial sweeteners too! Bad for your kidneys you know. :-)


20 posted on 05/12/2009 3:08:11 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Party? I don't have one anymore.)
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To: DJ Frisat

>> The rest of us won’t have out taxes raised a cent.

Bambi loves me, this I know
For Tim Geithner told me so
To “the rich” the bill belongs,
We are poor but they are strong!

Yes, Bambi loves me,
Yes, Bambi loves me.
Yes, Bambi loves me,
Tim Geithner told me so.


21 posted on 05/12/2009 3:11:30 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Party? I don't have one anymore.)
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To: PghBaldy

I thought cigarette taxes were going to take care of that jiffy...


22 posted on 05/12/2009 3:14:57 AM PDT by Ancient Drive (will)
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To: rigelkentaurus
water, lemonaide, tea

Be prepared to sweeten your own lemonade and tea, or pay the Sugar Tax for pre-sweetened tea and lemonade. This tax proposal includes Gatorade as well.

$.03 tax per 12oz translates to more than $.15 per two-liter bottle.

23 posted on 05/12/2009 3:15:56 AM PDT by NautiNurse (Blagojevich: a mediocre megalomaniac)
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To: PghBaldy
help pay for an overhaul of the nation's health-care system.

How about stopping the idiots who go to the emergency rooms for a pin prick, hangover,head lice,..etc.

Sheesh! Home remedies for that.

I come from a long line of family members if you went to a doctor it was serious. If you went to a hospital,chances are , you die.

Great grandparents lived to in their 90s.

24 posted on 05/12/2009 3:16:05 AM PDT by lysie
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To: PghBaldy

I disagree completely with the Rats’ plan, but I understand why they would tax something considered unhealthy and high calorie. They figure unhealthy and/or high calorie foods/beverages add more weight which may lead to obesity and problems associated with that. That in turn means the government will have to pay more for health care.


25 posted on 05/12/2009 3:19:23 AM PDT by Pinkbell
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To: Nervous Tick
Good to know, thank you very much.

I use my TV for DVDs, it doesn't get any reception right now. I'd like the libs to try to tax me for its use--I'd dump the thing on the White House lawn.

26 posted on 05/12/2009 3:20:05 AM PDT by Darkwolf377
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To: NautiNurse
Homer: "In this country, first you get the sugar, then you get the money...then.. you get the women..."


27 posted on 05/12/2009 3:22:19 AM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Nervous Tick

LMAO!


28 posted on 05/12/2009 3:22:35 AM PDT by Pinkbell
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To: Nervous Tick
They’ll tax artificial sweeteners too! Bad for your kidneys you know. :-)

Salt. Milk, Meat & Butter Tax to cover the fat.

You can eat oatmeal guilt free--but you'll pay dearly if you want it to taste different than cardboard.

29 posted on 05/12/2009 3:23:34 AM PDT by NautiNurse (Blagojevich: a mediocre megalomaniac)
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To: PghBaldy
The Democrats have always liked taxes.

Expect more new federal taxes on common retail items, and heavier taxation of existing ones --- tobacco taxes have already been raised, and you can expect gasoline to soon follow.

30 posted on 05/12/2009 3:28:10 AM PDT by snowsislander (NRA -- join today! 1-877-NRA-2000)
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To: Kimberly GG
I’ve long said something like sugar or toilet paper should be taxed...

Hey! Don't 'squeeze' the Charmin!

Seriously, what Constitutional authority does the FedGov have to be doing the things they claim are the reason for levying these taxes, anyway?

That is the question, not "what should they tax?", but "Why in the heck is there a tax in the first place?"

31 posted on 05/12/2009 3:28:19 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Darkwolf377

>> I’d dump the [teevee] on the White House lawn.

I’ll join you. The only monitor I watch is my ‘puter screen.

But be sure to purchase and affix your “Electronics Disposal Tax Stamp” prior to dumping. :-)


32 posted on 05/12/2009 3:32:03 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Stop dissing drunken sailors! At least they spend their OWN money.)
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To: PghBaldy

THey’re going after fruit juices now too... sugar is sugar, they say.


33 posted on 05/12/2009 3:33:21 AM PDT by ichabod1 (I am rolling over in my grave and I am not even dead yet (GOP Poet))
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To: lysie

>> How about stopping the idiots who go to the emergency rooms for a pin prick, hangover,head lice,..etc.

If you want to stop emergency room abuse, the first step is to learn to speak Spanish.


34 posted on 05/12/2009 3:34:45 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Stop dissing drunken sailors! At least they spend their OWN money.)
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To: DooDahhhh
Quit buying sodas...

Doesn't work that way. Once they start down this path, there's no end to what they'll tax to change your behavior and "pay" for health care. Bullets hurt people - tax them. Cars injure people in accidents - tax them. Necks get contorted from working on computers all day and keyboards cause carpal tunnel problems - tax them. Fireplaces cause pollution and asthma - tax them. You're not walking your government-required 5 miles per day - special assessment tax for you, buddy, because your ilk is ruining the healthcare of the nation. Burning fossil fuels causes CO2 which hurts our health - tax fossil fuels. Oh, wait, they've got that one already covered.

This will be a pretense to lard higher and higher taxes on all of us, but it's "for our health" so it'll be ok.

35 posted on 05/12/2009 3:36:29 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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>> You can eat oatmeal guilt free—but you’ll pay dearly if you want it to taste different than cardboard.

I bet yogurt will be okay, since it’s a “politically correct” food substance. Oprah and three quarters of the bimbos in Hollywood would have a cow if they taxed yogurt.


36 posted on 05/12/2009 3:38:17 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Stop dissing drunken sailors! At least they spend their OWN money.)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Government causes high blood pressure and strokes! TAX IT

(maybe I’m on to something, eh?)


37 posted on 05/12/2009 3:39:31 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Stop dissing drunken sailors! At least they spend their OWN money.)
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Heaven help this country.


38 posted on 05/12/2009 3:41:58 AM PDT by BagCamAddict ("Wolverines!!")
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To: PghBaldy

Why not just have everyone weighed on 15 April? Then tax all the fat people.

I haven’t drank soda in many years and I don’t smoke either.


39 posted on 05/12/2009 3:42:23 AM PDT by rfreedom4u (Diversity causes division and resentment.)
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To: PghBaldy
"The Sugar Act"

Seems to me I've heard that before. Maybe there's hope...

The Sugar Act: Titled The American Revenue Act of 1764

On April 5, 1764, Parliament passed a modified version of the Sugar and Molasses Act (1733), which was about to expire. Under the Molasses Act colonial merchants had been required to pay a tax of six pence per gallon on the importation of foreign molasses. But because of corruption, they mostly evaded the taxes and undercut the intention of the tax ... This act, and the Currency Act, set the stage for the revolt at the imposition of the Stamp Act.


40 posted on 05/12/2009 3:42:29 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: PghBaldy
What a nightmare for convenience stores... Most typically have a number of different drink sizes at their fountains. So they'd have to figure in a different tax for each size drink. And is this tax only going to be on "sugary drinks?" What about diet drinks. Or iced tea? Or juice, which often has as much sugar (or HFCS) as soda?

Would there be a "break point," or just $.03 for each 12oz? So would my 52oz iced tea (sweetened with Splenda, BTW) cost me an extra $.15? I typically get 2 of these a day, which is a pretty nice profit margin for Quik Trip. And I'll often pick up something else while I'm there as well. But knowing that I'm paying an extra tax on it will make me less likely to continue buying it there, instead brewing it myself, which will wind up hurting Quik Trip, as well as generating no dollars for the federal, state, or local governments. So, in effect, that tax will wind up costing EVERYONE (except me) money.

As long as there's "stuff," congress will always be able to figure out a new tax on that "stuff."

Mark

41 posted on 05/12/2009 3:51:39 AM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: PghBaldy

Good.

I’m sick of soda drinkers turning the office into a sticky mess with their little splashes and spills. And don’t get me started on “Coke Breath”. Sometimes I go home at night smelling like a bottling plant. It’s disgusting.

The women do those feminine little whisper burps, which are bad, but the men! Well they belch like the rest of us enjoy it as much as they do!

Then there’s the residue. Can pyramids are the worst. Running a close second are those styrofoam cups leaving sticky little rings on desks and conference tables that those soda drinkers can’t bother to wipe up when they leave.

I don’t drink sugared sodas, but I know many people who do. People I thought were fine, Christian, conservative people. Give the a Dr. Pepper, though, and they turn into filth purveyors.

Tax ‘em high!


42 posted on 05/12/2009 3:52:00 AM PDT by Glenn (Free Venezuela!)
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To: PghBaldy
So far Obama got me on the cig tax. I also drink regular Pepsi...

I quit smoking 9 months ago and I drink diet Coke. Raising tobacco taxes to their current levels is outrageous. Taxing sugared drinks is too.

43 posted on 05/12/2009 3:53:08 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (God's Riches At Christ's Expense.............Selah.)
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To: All

Everything was going great with the new tobacco tax until you weenies quit smoking !

Do your patriotic duty and light em up !! (it`s for the children )

Now Lord Obama has to find another new tax.

how about a huge tax on designer sneakers ?


44 posted on 05/12/2009 3:54:27 AM PDT by Einherjar (PEACE THROUGH SUPERIOR FIREPOWER)
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To: Right Wing Assault
I bet he’s chicken to increase the tax on alcohol.

I doubt that but a tax on chicken wouldn't directly affect me because I don't eat the vile stuff.

45 posted on 05/12/2009 3:56:12 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (God's Riches At Christ's Expense.............Selah.)
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To: Nervous Tick
While there's currently no tax on TVs themselves in the US, so over the air broadcast TV is still free and untaxed, if you have cable, you're definitely being taxed: Just look at your cable bill.

But yes, the Brits actually have an annual TV tax on the device itself.

Mark

46 posted on 05/12/2009 3:56:26 AM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: mylife

the version I heard was

“in America, first you get the sugar, then you get the power...then.. you get the women...”


47 posted on 05/12/2009 3:59:03 AM PDT by chuck_the_tv_out (click my name)
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To: Pinkbell
I disagree completely with the Rats’ plan, but I understand why they would tax something considered unhealthy and high calorie. They figure unhealthy and/or high calorie foods/beverages add more weight which may lead to obesity and problems associated with that. That in turn means the government will have to pay more for health care.

They are attacking the wrong end of the problem, if gov didn't have their nose in health care to begin with, no new taxes would be needed.

48 posted on 05/12/2009 4:00:52 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (God's Riches At Christ's Expense.............Selah.)
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To: PghBaldy

Well, why stop at sodas? I mean, there’s a whole universe of products that are BAD FOR US......just ask the food police.

Let’s start with transfats, saturated fats, nutrasweet, red meat, white meat, meat, meat, meat, cheese, anything that tastes good, and BUTTER........how could I forget my beloved BUTTER?

These f-ing Communists have gone too far this time. Maybe the sheople will wake-up?


49 posted on 05/12/2009 4:02:10 AM PDT by DivaDelMar (CRAm member-- (Conservative Republicans Against mcCain) Think you're entitled to my vote? CRAm It!!!)
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To: DooDahhhh

Fast food will be the next target. They are going to have to cast a wide net to pay for this. Women, children, and minorities will be hit harder by this, not that Zero gives a rats patoot.


50 posted on 05/12/2009 4:02:16 AM PDT by RU88
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