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THE POPE STANDS UP (and walks out on Palestinian leader Sheikh Taysir al-Tamimi)
NY Post ^ | May 12, 2009

Posted on 05/12/2009 11:09:18 AM PDT by presidio9

In an action that spoke far louder than words, Pope Benedict yesterday walked out of an interfaith meeting in Jerusalem after the chief Islamic judge of the Palestinian Authority launched into an anti-Israeli diatribe.

The pontiff, on his first day in Jerusalem, did not realize at first that Sheikh Taysir al-Tamimi, speaking in Arabic, was condemning the "crimes of the Jewish state" and accusing Israel of having "slaughtered women, children and senior citizens."

But as soon as he was told the nature of the sheikh's tirade, he stood and left the meeting, which took place at Notre Dame church, before it had concluded.

It's not as if the organizers shouldn't have seen this coming: Back in 2000, Tamimi did the same thing during a visit by the late Pope John Paul II.

A spokesman for the Holy See later condemned the remarks, saying that

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Very telling that the Pope has no problem ofending people for what he stands for and our own President apparently does.
1 posted on 05/12/2009 11:09:19 AM PDT by presidio9
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To: presidio9

Good for Pope Benedict.

God bless him. The guy’s a rock.


2 posted on 05/12/2009 11:12:36 AM PDT by RexBeach ("Do your duty in all things." Robert E. Lee)
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To: presidio9

Now there is a leader


3 posted on 05/12/2009 11:15:34 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: presidio9

People need to start walking out on Obama BS Conferences, laughing all the way. That’s a double-whammy on The First Thug: he can’t stand being ignored and/or laughed at.


4 posted on 05/12/2009 11:16:01 AM PDT by kromike
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To: presidio9

Contrast this with Barry sitting silently while some South American Commie thug bashed America.


5 posted on 05/12/2009 11:16:43 AM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, Bowman later)
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6 posted on 05/12/2009 11:19:28 AM PDT by SJackson (right of the mortgagee to insist upon full payment ... the essence of a mortgage, Justice Brandeis)
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To: presidio9

At Notre Dame Church? Interesting...


7 posted on 05/12/2009 11:22:15 AM PDT by DPMD (~)
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To: presidio9

What did Ratzinger expect? Especially since the article says the doofus did the same thing to John Paul.


8 posted on 05/12/2009 11:23:52 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: presidio9

Pope Benedict was just following my favorite Bible verse, 1 John 3:18, “Let us love not in word or speech, but in truth and action.”


9 posted on 05/12/2009 11:26:03 AM PDT by Night Hides Not (If Dick Cheney = Darth Vader, then Joe Biden = Dark Helmet)
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To: presidio9

There’s a major difference between the pope and the president - the Pope SERVES God, the President thinks he IS god.


10 posted on 05/12/2009 11:26:34 AM PDT by knittnmom (FReeper formerly known as 80 Square Miles)
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To: presidio9

Excellent.


11 posted on 05/12/2009 11:29:46 AM PDT by Egon (The difference between Theory and Practice: In Theory, there is no difference.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
What did Ratzinger expect?

Tamini wasn't "scheduled" as a speaker for the event.

12 posted on 05/12/2009 11:30:42 AM PDT by sockmonkey
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To: theKid51

ping


13 posted on 05/12/2009 11:30:50 AM PDT by bmwcyle (American voters can fix this world if they would just wake up.)
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To: DPMD
At Notre Dame Church? Interesting...

I somehow missed that the first time, but you know the editorial staff at the Post were overjoyed to inclue the name of the Church where this happed.

On a Catholic note, I never knew that there was a Notre Dame Church in Jerusalem (though it doesn't suprise me). But it is a pleasant thought that there is a Church named for the Blessed Mother at the heart of the city that tortured, humiliated, and murdered her Son 2000 years ago. And I think its great that the most followed man on the planet took a stand for that which her Son has taught him in that place named for her.

BTW, there is also a gaudy Notre Dame hotel in Jerusalem, which doesn't suprise me.

14 posted on 05/12/2009 11:32:01 AM PDT by presidio9 ("a stable once had something inside it that was bigger than our whole world," -Lucy Pevensie)
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To: sockmonkey

Easy to say now. How did he get past security?


15 posted on 05/12/2009 11:32:39 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: MrB
Contrast this with Barry sitting silently while some South American Commie thug bashed America.

Barry is the Anti-John Wayne.

16 posted on 05/12/2009 11:37:10 AM PDT by Max in Utah (A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within.)
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To: kromike

That’s a double-whammy on The First Thug: he can’t stand being ignored and/or laughed at.”

The Messaiah also cannot stand NOT to be the total spotlight focus.


17 posted on 05/12/2009 11:39:27 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

>>What did Ratzinger expect? Especially since the article says the doofus did the same thing to John Paul.<<

He didn’t expect the speaker to be there. He wasn’t on the schedule. So no translation either.

I guess you attribute ESP to the Pope.


18 posted on 05/12/2009 11:40:39 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: presidio9

He’s lucky Taysir didn’t shoot him in the back (God forbid).


19 posted on 05/12/2009 11:40:39 AM PDT by DManA
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To: Max in Utah

Barry is the Anti-John Wayne.”

That is the perfect size for a bumper sticker.


20 posted on 05/12/2009 11:41:41 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: DPMD

Let’s hope the entire audience gets up and walks out when the liar in chief speaks at OUR Notre Dame.

I’m sure some will, at least.


21 posted on 05/12/2009 11:42:44 AM PDT by Veto! (Opinions freely dispensed as advice)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

>>He said Tamimi, a familiar and fiery figure in Palestinian public life, had pressured the Catholic organisers to be allowed to speak and that the Jewish members would no longer take part in a long-standing, three-way interfaith dialogue until the sheikh was barred from attending.<<

From here
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArtStEng.jhtml?itemNo=1084738&contrassID=1&subContrassID=1&title=%27Pope+walks+out+after+Muslim+cleric+accuses+Israel+of+%27slaughter%27%27&dyn_server=172.20.5.5

Best to give “the devil” his due. Although by past posts, that might be difficult.


22 posted on 05/12/2009 11:45:37 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: knittnmom

“To Serve God”,...isn’t that a cookbook?


23 posted on 05/12/2009 11:46:31 AM PDT by shredderman (Living in a Blue State, with a Blue Wife, But I'm Red to the bone.....)
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To: netmilsmom

Some would have the Pope suffer the fool. For me, I’m glad he walked out.


24 posted on 05/12/2009 11:47:51 AM PDT by reagandemocrat (proud footsoldier in a discredited army of oppression)
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To: presidio9
What no Italian Salute?

Just kidding, but as much crap as the Pope got the other day, this speak volumes.

25 posted on 05/12/2009 11:48:17 AM PDT by taildragger (Palin / Mulally 2012)
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To: netmilsmom
Thanks for the link. From it we learn that Ratzinger shook hands with the guy after his speech, after sitting through the entire speech during which the muslim clerics cheered.

The speech was delivered in Arabic, without simultaneous translation, but after the pope was informed of the political nature of al-Tamimi's speech, he left the conference.

And somehow we're supposed to believe there was no simultaneous translation? Do you think that's logical in this day and age? You don't think someone was standing next to the pope translating for him, as is the norm in these types of situations if headphones aren't provided with translators?

Do you honestly think the pope would put himself in such a vulnerable position unknowingly? The guy could have said "death to all Christians" and Ratzinger would have nodded and shook his hand, just like he did.

Thanks again for the information.

26 posted on 05/12/2009 11:59:02 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: knittnmom

Right on. And what a difference between the one that Is and the one that thinks he is.


27 posted on 05/12/2009 11:59:43 AM PDT by newhouse
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To: presidio9

Very misleading! They said the Pope actually SHOOK THE MAN’S HAND *before* leaving?! What kind of Obama stand is that?!? >:-(

Praying for Israel and the Peace of Jerusalem!!


28 posted on 05/12/2009 12:03:39 PM PDT by pillut48 (CJ in TX --"God help us all, and God help America!!" --my new mantra for the next 4 years)
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To: SJackson

Benedict BUMP!!


29 posted on 05/12/2009 12:13:04 PM PDT by bayouranger (The 1st victim of islam is the person who practices the lie.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

>>Do you honestly think the pope would put himself in such a vulnerable position unknowingly? The guy could have said “death to all Christians” and Ratzinger would have nodded and shook his hand, just like he did.<<

I think that your general dislike of The Pope and all things Catholic means that if The Holy Father walked up and socked the guy, it wouldn’t be good enough for you. The Holy Father could have whipped a Holy slipper at him and put him into a chokehold and you’d still find a problem.

If the Jews don’t have a problem, why do you?

Your posting history speaks for itself.


30 posted on 05/12/2009 12:14:12 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: netmilsmom

Bravissimo

Some snears are audible though they exist only in cyberspace.


31 posted on 05/12/2009 12:18:56 PM PDT by OpusatFR (Those embryos are little humans in progress. Using them for profit is slavery.)
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To: OpusatFR

*So are seers ( -;


32 posted on 05/12/2009 12:20:12 PM PDT by OpusatFR (Those embryos are little humans in progress. Using them for profit is slavery.)
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To: OpusatFR

*So are sneers!

(I’ve been inhaling Roundup today!)


33 posted on 05/12/2009 12:21:19 PM PDT by OpusatFR (Those embryos are little humans in progress. Using them for profit is slavery.)
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To: presidio9

“God Damn America”..... The President’s preacher’s words. Can you expect anything different from his number one disciple?


34 posted on 05/12/2009 12:22:33 PM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Crucify ! Crucify ! Crucify him!!)
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To: OpusatFR

Bet your lungs won’t have a single weed.


35 posted on 05/12/2009 12:23:00 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

There was no simultaneous translation because Tamimi was not a scheduled speaker. The Pope only has official translators, not people whispering in his ear. I work in the translation business, and translators at events like this do not “wing it.” They are given the prepared texts of the speeches, go over them so that they will provide quick and accurate translations, and do not leap up to provide a translation of somebody who is not on the list.

The Pope does not speak Arabic and had no way of knowing what was happening. He would have thought, obviously, that this was an approved speaker who somehow got left off the list, and since this was an ecumenical gathering with representatives of all the local religions present, there was no reason for him to suspect anything out of line.

Some Arabic-speaking clergy told the Pope the contents of the speech after Tamimi had finished and had gone over and shaken the Pope’s hand, and that was when the Pope left.


36 posted on 05/12/2009 12:24:30 PM PDT by livius
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To: netmilsmom

Or pine trees!

http://www.diaryofanadi.co.uk/?p=1036


37 posted on 05/12/2009 12:26:02 PM PDT by OpusatFR (Those embryos are little humans in progress. Using them for profit is slavery.)
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To: pillut48

Tamimi walked over and shook the Pope’s hand when he was finished speaking. Then the Pope was informed of the content of the sheik’s speech and he left.


38 posted on 05/12/2009 12:26:38 PM PDT by livius
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To: kromike

People need to start walking out on Obama BS Conferences, laughing all the way. That’s a double-whammy on The First Thug: he can’t stand being ignored and/or laughed at.

The personality traits of a psychopath.


39 posted on 05/12/2009 12:27:51 PM PDT by Seeing More Clearly Now
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

You’re an idiot.


40 posted on 05/12/2009 12:29:55 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (Happiness is a choice!)
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To: livius

Tamimi walked over and shook the Pope’s hand when he was finished speaking. Then the Pope was informed of the content of the sheik’s speech and he left.

Maybe yes, maybe no. It could be that a pontiff’s shaking hands upon exiting a gathering is an ingrained habit [pun not intended].


41 posted on 05/12/2009 12:31:23 PM PDT by Seeing More Clearly Now
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To: presidio9

yay Pope!


42 posted on 05/12/2009 12:33:27 PM PDT by yldstrk (My heros have always been cowboys--Reagan and Bush)
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To: presidio9

Actually, I watched the replay of the incident last night and what happened was even worse. The Latin Patriarch of Jerusalem leaned over and translated for the Holy Father. Then they both started chuckling while this buffoon droned on and on and on and on. (I think that this is called laughing in his face...)

Some Christian bishop went over to the “Sheikh”, got his attention, and whispered to him to sit down and stop embarrassing himself (no, I didn’t hear the words, but it was apparent that something approximating this is what happened). At that point, the “Sheikh” stopped talking and returned to his seat.

The Holy Father then stood up immediately after the speech and left.

A video of the entire meeting is here: http://ewtn.edgeboss.net/wmedia/ewtn/multicast/video/windowsmedia/papal/2009holyland/20090511_notredame_en_300k.wvx

The “sheikh” begins to speak at around 25:06. Pope laughing at around 28:55. People walking out on him throughout. Bishop coming to talk to him at around 30:05. Then he sits down at around 30:20.


43 posted on 05/12/2009 12:48:38 PM PDT by markomalley (Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
What did Ratzinger expect?

Um, his name's not Ratzinger any more. Sorry nobody told you.

44 posted on 05/12/2009 1:03:16 PM PDT by presidio9 ("a stable once had something inside it that was bigger than our whole world," -Lucy Pevensie)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
From it we learn that Ratzinger shook hands with the guy after his speech,

Again, there is no "Ratzinger." If it makes you uncomfortable to type the name Pope (I promise you won't get struck by lightning), you are free to refer to him as Benedict. That's what he's calling himself these days.

45 posted on 05/12/2009 1:08:20 PM PDT by presidio9 ("a stable once had something inside it that was bigger than our whole world," -Lucy Pevensie)
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To: netmilsmom

You are the wind beneath my wings.


46 posted on 05/12/2009 1:10:01 PM PDT by presidio9 ("a stable once had something inside it that was bigger than our whole world," -Lucy Pevensie)
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To: Seeing More Clearly Now
Maybe yes, maybe no. It could be that a pontiff’s shaking hands upon exiting a gathering is an ingrained habit [pun not intended].

Either way, the Palestinians took it as an insult. That's the only thing that really matters, as far as I'm concerned.

47 posted on 05/12/2009 1:12:24 PM PDT by presidio9 ("a stable once had something inside it that was bigger than our whole world," -Lucy Pevensie)
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To: presidio9

I think the best thing we could do is convince Obama that all terrorists are human fetuses. If we can do this, Obama will show them no mercy. He’ll stop the charade that they’re naive innocents entitled to the same rights as any American citizen.


48 posted on 05/12/2009 1:21:20 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Obama closes Gitmo to save terrorists and funds foreign abortions.)
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To: elhombrelibre

You can do the next-best thing and tell him that terrorists are anti-abortion and pro-gun ownership.


49 posted on 05/12/2009 1:34:26 PM PDT by Campion ("President Barack Obama" is an anagram for "An Arab-backed Imposter")
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Do you honestly think the pope would put himself in such a vulnerable position unknowingly?

Wow, yeah, he should know better than to avoid unscheduled speakers speaking in a language he doesn't understand.

That way, the "pope is guilty until proven innocent, and even then he's still completely guilty" crowd would have to look elsewhere for their minimum daily requirement of pope-trashing garbage.

50 posted on 05/12/2009 1:37:33 PM PDT by Campion ("President Barack Obama" is an anagram for "An Arab-backed Imposter")
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