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Shotgun Reducers
Little Skeeters ^ | May 12, 2009 | Ron H.

Posted on 05/12/2009 11:27:05 AM PDT by Ron H.

Anyone have any direct experience with Shotgun reducers. I've never seen them used and am interested to know if they are worth the time and money.

Reducers


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1 posted on 05/12/2009 11:27:05 AM PDT by Ron H.
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To: Ron H.

WTF is the purpose?


2 posted on 05/12/2009 11:31:00 AM PDT by KayEyeDoubleDee
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To: Ron H.

I cant imagine that the wad will seal gases or keep shot together much past those little inserts....but they might be good for training young or small individuals to shoot that big old 10 or 12 gauge...


3 posted on 05/12/2009 11:32:01 AM PDT by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Ron H.
I can see where it'd be handy to have one shotgun and the ability to shoot damned near any shotshell made in it, but shotgun ammo has never been that tough to come by. Also, the smaller gauge shells can be considerably more expensive (especially the 28-ga. stuff).

I imagine that the things tend to mangle shot patterns, at least to some degree. Don't know for sure, never tried 'em.

4 posted on 05/12/2009 11:32:21 AM PDT by Charles Martel ("Endeavor to persevere...")
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To: KayEyeDoubleDee

You could put a 20 ga. shell in a 12 ga. shotgun, I guess.


5 posted on 05/12/2009 11:32:38 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: KayEyeDoubleDee

WTF is the purpose?

Allows one to shoot subcalibers out of a shotgun.

I say, Man Up and shoot the 12 gauge!


6 posted on 05/12/2009 11:33:07 AM PDT by TC Rider (The United States Constitution - 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
You could put a 20 ga. shell in a 12 ga. shotgun, I guess.

You can do it once anyway.

7 posted on 05/12/2009 11:33:57 AM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: KayEyeDoubleDee

Multiplies the amount of available ammunition.

Allows target practice with cheaper ammo.


8 posted on 05/12/2009 11:34:18 AM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 113 of our national holiday from reality.)
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To: Ron H.

If you only step down a gauge they are OK at shorter ranges.

12 to 20, 20 to 28... but to drop from 12 to .410, you’ll have a pretty blown pattern.


9 posted on 05/12/2009 11:35:15 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim (When I leave this planet, it's gonna know I was here.)
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To: Ron H.

About as useful as light beer.


10 posted on 05/12/2009 11:35:49 AM PDT by ryan71 (Time to buy guns and ammo, People.)
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To: Ron H.

Reducers allow you to shoot 20 gauge, 28 gauge or .410 gauge shells in a 12 gauge over/under shot gun. They are primarily used in skeet shooting, not trap. A good skeet shooter competes in all 4 gauge competitions. The smaller the shell, the less pellets, the harder it is to break the bird. If you are serious about skeet shooting, plan on spending $1000 or more to buy tubes, such as brilleys. A set allows you to have a full length tube in your barrel for each caliber.


11 posted on 05/12/2009 11:36:12 AM PDT by Harley (Life is Tough, But It's a Lot Tougher When You're a Liberal.)
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To: Lurker

I’ve never needed to do his since I have more shotguns than I need (but not as many as I want.)


12 posted on 05/12/2009 11:36:35 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Ron H.

Guessing it would cause a much bigger pattern, shooting the smaller shells out of a 12 ga. shotgun.


13 posted on 05/12/2009 11:36:59 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: Ron H.
The only ones that I have used were the full length tubes on a Kriegoff model 32 12 gauge with 3 tube sets, 20, 28 & 410.

I personally would not use a short insert for fear of chamber erosion ahead of the case.

14 posted on 05/12/2009 11:39:20 AM PDT by Big_Harry ( Thank God I am an "Infidel"!)
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To: TC Rider

Well, I do own several different types of 12g already and also a number of 20g and .410 guns. I’ve been toying with the idea of a 10g but have about decided against it. It seems that a 3 1/2” 12g can do as well or better than a 10g from what I’ve been reading. All my current 12g are either 3” or smaller. I was just curious what others had to say about the reducers. I’m not convinced of its practicalness.


15 posted on 05/12/2009 11:40:39 AM PDT by Ron H. (I believe in and practice the 4 Gs : God, gold, guns and a garden)
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To: Ron H.

Another good use of this little device is to turn a flare gun into a hand held shot gun. I used to sail in the Pacific NW and the Canadians didn’t allow firearms so I would always have one of these little devices on board when I left Washingto waters so I could in a matter of seconds turn my flare gun into a very leathal weapon.


16 posted on 05/12/2009 11:41:17 AM PDT by BubbaBobTX ("The problem with socialism is you eventually run out of other peoples money." Margaret Thatcher)
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To: KayEyeDoubleDee
They're commonly used for trap/skeet/sporting clays so that you can shoot in the different divisions without having to have 3 or 4 different gauge shotguns. Briley was one of the 1st companies to come out with tubes.
17 posted on 05/12/2009 11:41:41 AM PDT by 2nd amendment mama ( www.2asisters.org | Self defense is a basic human right!)
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To: Lurker
You could put a 20 ga. shell in a 12 ga. shotgun, I guess.

You can do it once anyway.

I've heard stories about people doing this WITHOUT a reducer, where the smaller shell falls down into the barrel, then a larger, full size shell gets inserted right after it and fired. I hear it's real ugly when that happens.

18 posted on 05/12/2009 11:41:56 AM PDT by Hardastarboard (I long for the days when advertisers didn't constantly ask about the health of my genital organs.)
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To: Ron H.
I've never seen them used and am interested to know if they are worth the time and money.
From reading the links, they're for over-under, side-by-side and single shot shotguns (Skeet & Trap shotguns).

No good for a pump action or an auto-loader.

19 posted on 05/12/2009 11:42:00 AM PDT by Condor51 (The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits)
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To: Ron H.

Yes, I’ve used them and depending on the manufacturer, they work very well.


20 posted on 05/12/2009 11:42:20 AM PDT by 2nd amendment mama ( www.2asisters.org | Self defense is a basic human right!)
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To: TC Rider

First shotgun, as a 12 yr old:

Ithaca 12 guage single shot breachload. No buttpad.

Ouch.

You didn’t shoot unless you KNEW you were going to hit your target.


21 posted on 05/12/2009 11:43:13 AM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, Bowman later)
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To: Hardastarboard
I hear it's real ugly when that happens.

Oh it is. I saw it happen once to a very, very nice Browning O/U. Why on Earth my idiot boss had a 20 gauge shell in his pocket I'll never know.

Why he didn't notice that it was a different color, bright yellow instead of red, I'll never know.

What I do know is that doing it will completely destroy a very nice shotgun along with a significant portion of the person firing it.

L

22 posted on 05/12/2009 11:45:19 AM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Ron H.

They are used mainly by skeet shooters so they can use the same gun for each guage class. There are some noticable velocity and pattern changes when you skip more than one guage but it is consistent and can be adapted to. There are also models that are essentially slip in barrels, so the pattern and velocity changes aren’t so pronounced as these chamber only models.


23 posted on 05/12/2009 11:46:00 AM PDT by spodefly (This is my tag line. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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To: BubbaBobTX
” I could in a matter of seconds turn my flare gun into a very leathal weapon.”

I would think the flare itself would lethal enough at close range. If it didn't kill em, it would make em sicker than hell.

24 posted on 05/12/2009 11:46:27 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: Ron H.

Just buy a shotgun in the guage you want, and forget about those things. They’re a hassle, expensive, and potentially dangerous.


25 posted on 05/12/2009 11:48:33 AM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: MrB

At 12? DAMN, dad wanted to raise one tough kid, eh?


26 posted on 05/12/2009 11:48:37 AM PDT by Travis T. OJustice (I can spell just fine, thanks, it's my typing that sucks.)
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To: MrB
I had the same experience and avoid the 12 gauge due to my memories of throbbing pain, except I was 38, not 12 at the time. Still, it makes me sad that I'm such a wimp.

My friend has a cool Saiga assault shotgun, and while it is fun to pose with for photo ops, I will most likely never fire it due to the pain it inflicts upon me.

27 posted on 05/12/2009 11:49:14 AM PDT by I Buried My Guns (I just hope CW2 comes before my creaky knees give out completely!)
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To: Ron H.

I’d imagine they would render the ejector useless.


28 posted on 05/12/2009 11:49:43 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Travis T. OJustice

Nope, just had one mean-assed brother. And I say that with no fondness.


29 posted on 05/12/2009 11:49:50 AM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, Bowman later)
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To: Ron H.

or eject the reducer and shell together


30 posted on 05/12/2009 11:50:21 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Ron H.

I have a set in .410 for my Lanber 12 GA. Over/Under. They work great for what I use them. I train my kids without having to buy a separate youth model or shotgun in a dubious caliber. Plus, it’s fun to pop a few .410s every once in a while.

I haven’t formally measured the patterns, but they seem to group just fine.

Most of the complaints I’ve seen on the web concern people who bought them for shooting clays, and found that you can’t reload the shells fast enough for competition. You have to poke the husk out of each insert with a pencil or stick. Buying an insert for each shot wouldn’t make economic sense.

There are other limitations. They are clearly marked to use target loads only. Also, I have to be very careful breaking open, so the ejectors don’t send them flying. Hitting the ground too many times would probably ding the inserts, as they appear to be made from aluminum.


31 posted on 05/12/2009 11:52:33 AM PDT by Rinnwald (I am Soros.)
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To: ryan71

Bingo.


32 posted on 05/12/2009 11:54:00 AM PDT by Obadiah (Obama: Chains you can believe in!)
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To: MrB

Mine was an 870, about the same age. Ouch is an understatement.

First handgun was .44 Navy Colt that dad has from some ancestor in the Civil War. Fired two rounds from that black powdered ba$tard and realized that a lot of cowboy movies were lies.


33 posted on 05/12/2009 11:56:08 AM PDT by Tennessee_Bob (Save the Hispaniolan Solenodon!)
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To: Harley
If you are serious about skeet shooting, plan on spending $1000 or more to buy tubes, such as brilleys. A set allows you to have a full length tube in your barrel for each caliber.

Jeez, at a grand a pop, I'd rather just buy another gun in the different caliber.

34 posted on 05/12/2009 11:56:38 AM PDT by IYAS9YAS (Obama - what you get when you mix Affirmative Action with the Peter Principle.)
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To: Ron H.
Looks pretty slick. I'd give them a try.

But the best shotgun accessory in my opinion is the Knoxx SpecOps recoil reducing stock. It makes a 12 ga 3" magnum slug feel like a 2 3/4" light bird load.

35 posted on 05/12/2009 11:59:50 AM PDT by Niteranger68 (I am an extremist that was created by Butch Napolitano.)
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To: IYAS9YAS
caliber (doh) guage
36 posted on 05/12/2009 11:59:54 AM PDT by IYAS9YAS (Obama - what you get when you mix Affirmative Action with the Peter Principle.)
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To: 2nd amendment mama; Eric in the Ozarks; TC Rider; null and void
They're commonly used for trap/skeet/sporting clays so that you can shoot in the different divisions without having to have 3 or 4 different gauge shotguns. Briley was one of the 1st companies to come out with tubes.

So in other words this is some namby-pamby thingamabob for panty-waist country club RINOs?

While we're at it, why don't we talk about the market for polo ponies and gulfstreams and 19th Century Impressionist artwork?

[Just kidding.]

37 posted on 05/12/2009 12:00:25 PM PDT by KayEyeDoubleDee
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To: IYAS9YAS

The tube sets are $1000-1500 for a set of 3 (20, 28, .410) to fit in a set of 12 gauge barrels (usually fitted to the specific gun). If you’ve dropped $12K on a Kreighoff or Kolar, and had it custom fitted to you, the tubes are a deal.

The idea is that your gun always fits the same in each gauge, since it is the same gun. Almost all top level skeet shooters use them.


38 posted on 05/12/2009 12:00:40 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim (When I leave this planet, it's gonna know I was here.)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

Years ago you could purchase full length tubes to turn a shotgun into a “rifle”. You could get them for .45LC and .30-30 and other low pressure shells. I believe they were smooth bore so accuracy was limited to distance. I have not seen them for a number of years. They inserted in break action shotguns and were centered in the bore with “O” rings.


39 posted on 05/12/2009 12:10:03 PM PDT by Concho ( No Birth Certificate-No Census!)
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To: I Buried My Guns

Start young kids with a 28 gauge or a 410. The recoil is mild and they can learn to shoot at moving targets. A .30 calibre carbine is also excellent for children when the have moved past a 22 and want to shoot something that makes more noise with little recoil.


40 posted on 05/12/2009 12:11:37 PM PDT by Citizen Tom Paine
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To: Concho

Could be something that went away once lawyers became the dominant species in business.


41 posted on 05/12/2009 12:11:39 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim (When I leave this planet, it's gonna know I was here.)
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To: Citizen Tom Paine

The problem with that approach is that 28 and .410 ammo is getting prohibitively expensive. As a high volume shooter of both, reloading is a must.


42 posted on 05/12/2009 12:13:14 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim (When I leave this planet, it's gonna know I was here.)
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To: ryan71
About as useful as light beer.

LOL! Post Of The Day.

Cheers!

43 posted on 05/12/2009 12:16:16 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (I'd rather be hated for who I am than loved for something I ain't.)
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To: Lurker

Reminds me of the story my buddy told me that happened while he was a Marine stationed at Camp David during the Reagan years.

One day VP Bush and his sons showed up and wanted to go out to the range to shoot. My buddy was charged with assembling the presidential shotguns and ammo and they proceeded to shoot.

Well, one of the sons (I can’t remember which one but IT WAS NOT our latest President), placed a different gauge shot shell into the 12 gauge and squeezed off. According to Mike, he could have been killed but apparently got dusted up a bit.

Well, the CO wanted to throw the book at Mike for somehow getting different shells mixed with the guns but Old man Bush stepped in and said to forget the whole matter.

True story.. I have been in Mike’s house and have seen all the photos with him and Ron/Nancy.


44 posted on 05/12/2009 12:21:27 PM PDT by Man from Oz
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To: Ron H.

Where can you buy a Government Reducer??


45 posted on 05/12/2009 12:54:40 PM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: IYAS9YAS

Double d’oh. Guage - Gauge...


46 posted on 05/12/2009 1:01:21 PM PDT by IYAS9YAS (Obama - what you get when you mix Affirmative Action with the Peter Principle.)
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To: Tijeras_Slim
Well, in the case of a $12K shooter, okay. I just spent $207.99 plus tax on a 12-gauge Mossberg. Champagne dreams - beer near-beer budget.
47 posted on 05/12/2009 1:04:40 PM PDT by IYAS9YAS (Obama - what you get when you mix Affirmative Action with the Peter Principle.)
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To: IYAS9YAS

That will bust targets just fine. I don’t do the tube thing myself, probably because I like having a variety of guns.

There’s a definite advantage to an O/U in skeet, but I shoot with several people who routinely run 100’s with pumps.


48 posted on 05/12/2009 1:08:05 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim (When I leave this planet, it's gonna know I was here.)
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To: Ron H.

The larger the barrel bore and the smaller the reducer gauge, the worse the shot pattern and shorter the effective range.


49 posted on 05/12/2009 1:35:04 PM PDT by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: Tennessee_Bob
First handgun was .44 Navy Colt that dad has from some ancestor in the Civil War. Fired two rounds from that black powdered ba$tard and realized that a lot of cowboy movies were lies.

In .44, that would be an ARMY Colt... Navy class Colts were .36 caliber.

50 posted on 05/12/2009 1:43:38 PM PDT by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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