Skip to comments.Intel fined record $1.45 billion in AMD antitrust case
Posted on 05/13/2009 4:26:12 AM PDT by paudio
The verdict is in and it's huge. As expected, the EU is fining Intel a record 1.06 billion or $1.45 billion (Billion!) dollars due to violations of antitrust rules in Europe. The record fine surpasses that of the 497 million fine originally levied against Microsoft. The EU ruled that Intel illegally used hidden rebates to squeeze rivals out of the marketplace for CPUs. In a statement issued by European Union Competition Commissioner Neelie Kroes, the EC said,
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Heck Intel stole technology from Digital and got away with it. I doubt they’ll actually pay any of this $$. Paying the EU isn’t a good thing IMO anyway.
These EU pirates are shaking down U.S. companies for billions, while the Somali pirates only get millions. Our companies should boycott Europe.
A non-crime. Intel made prices lower to consumers and that is bad?
the messiah will tell companies who they can and cannot boycott....Obama is europe’s b!tch, and american business's super CEO(or so he believes).
Being successful is a crime now apparently.
Intel was one of the true innovators, always ahead of the game.
I haven't knowingly bought an Intel product in years.
We bemoan the lack of job creation at our largest firms, but it wasn't always the case. Big business could be the job creation engine that small business is. They are ideally suited for divisional experimentation and small business innovation (through funding/merging/etc.).
Why doesn't this happen?
Onerous taxes, regulations and a legal environment that rewards massively trivial harm and legal leechings.
The EU is little different from any other organized crime syndicate - they run their “protection rackets” on a massive scale...
That is how the free market works. I am not a computer chip expert. I rely on them, someone like you possibly, to keep me on my guard. I am now on guard against Intel products. I will ask all my geek friends about it and assess the risk based on my feelings/the facts.
Look up “market mavens”. They are a tiny minority with an incredibly myopic focus, but they act as market makers/informants to protect the rest of us.
My point is individual liberty, of which a free market is fundamental (free as in you/your choice), works!
I don’t remember Intel ever on the “brink of going belly up” and any “personal information” security issues lie with software not the processor hardware even with the embedded hardware ID. Any number of hardware devices in your computer have a unique ID number from the flash BIOS storage devices on up.
AMD has not kept up with technology changes. Intel has significantly superior CPU’s these days even for gaming. You are welcome to pay more for less but I choose otherwise.
Post-Neolithic is not correct.
I have an AMD (Quad Core, 687GB - or something really geeky) in this pc and could have had the latest Intel (Pentium IX or something) for the same price. It was my choice -- click 'a' or 'b', have it made, then shipped.
Facts are wonderful things don't ya know.
Another thread yesterday was on 0bama's quote to investigate and punish companies that "improperly" control "too much" of the market for their product or service.
Of course, he and his bureaucrats will decide what is improper and too much, and it will heavily depend on how much they contribute to Democrat re-election.
Happened to Microsoft in the 90's too, and millions of people lost a ton of money because Clinton went after Microsoft.
Well that was so ‘nineties’, Intel eventually caved on the PSN.
A History of Privacy Issues Intel Pentium III Processor Serial Number
CPUID - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Querying the PSN does not give a hacker direct access to your personal information, but it can be used to make it easier for a hacker to individually identify your computer.
The looting continues ...
Intel stole their current design for their microprocessor. They are crooks and it is catching up with them. This is no surprise to me.
You don’t like Intel so that makes it okay for the EU to shake them down??? Whatever Intel’s putative sins, that only issues that matter here are whether they behaved in an illegal manner that harmed consumers. The fact that their chips had a math problem is entirely irrelevant.
The Euros are still P.O.d that our computer industry left them in the dust decades ago. Next they’ll find a way to shake down AMD.
AMD won’t see a cent. Every penny of this will go into federal coffers to fund Chairman Obama’s utopia. He is in deep doo-doo in terms of paying for everything since it looks like cap and trade has been deep-sixed.
Do you have some examples of things that haven’t been fixed / eliminated since say 1994 and 2000 respectively?
I think we’re well past Pentium I, II, and III.
Heck, my 6+ year old PentiumIV still works just fine, but I can’t say that about the one and only AMD based system I ever built. I used that system for less than 2 years and had nothing but problems with it.
Please, provide some recent examples, perhaps more direct info on the IP stealing of Digital’s info.
Thanks to you all. You've made my day and reminded me that a free people can be trusted - to at the very least disagree. ;-]
I will do my research and again much thanks to you all.
My current AMD box has been up and running since 2003. I haven’t had the issues you seem to be implying.
What chip are you running?
This is what the US will look like soon if the Zero gets his way.
Euro Commies can pound sand. Intel should just refuse to pay. What will the Euroweenies use for computers, counting on their fingers? They can get to 20 if they take their shoes off. We should boycott ALL Euro products. Hear that Beemer owners?
In dire need of an upgrade on the whole system. This one runs so good though that I may just upgrade the video to an ATI 3850 AGP and let my kids have it for a gamer box.
My next box will more than likely be a Phenom quad-core with a pair of SLI something or others. I'm waiting to see what the dogfight between AMD/ATI and nVidia tosses at us next.
Computers and computer chips produce ozone during operation.
Ozone has therapeutic uses.
Therefore, computers and computer chips can be classified as a drug.
The FDA should simply settle this by taking over all of the computer industry like it is going after cherrios.
Don’t give your kids an old box for gaming. That would be very frustrating for them. It’d be best to build one or two cheap (Intel) Wolfdale CPU-based systems (CPU, board, video and RAM). Look for a board with integrated video to save a few dollars. The Wolfdale systems (CPU + board) are inexpensive and can be aggressively overclocked. I have mine running at 4.9Ghz on 1150Mhz DDR2 RAM.
No wonder I’m so hungry after surfing the web... Munchies and MIPS.
Oh, that's an old wives tale ;)
It's only a problem if you're doing silly things like:
- building skyscrapers that must be precisely balanced
- simulating aircraft aerodynamics
- balancing monetary systems (sadly, it can't be scapegoated to explain where all of our tax dollars have been going...)
Though a much different principle is taught, this analogy connotes a similar theme to that in "the fallacy of the broken window" (Bastiat). Namely, that some economists speak of economic benefit being derived via the actions of a young boy who breaks a window (because the owner of the window must then pay the glazier for a repair, which presumably has a "stimulative" effect upon the local economy - neglecting the potential uses the owner would have put that money toward in the absence of the accident), but most universally identify it to be a crime if the glazier had in turn paid the young boy a small fee to break the window in the first place.
No, but underhanded efforts to squeeze out any competition ARE illegal.
Read the article, FRiend.
No, not always. Just recently.
AMD was longevity / performance king for many many years and I’m sure after the retool they are working on now they can beat out Intel again. (with a integrated gpu/cpu combo if done right)
Its just a back and forth - with the noted observance that this gen round however - Intel pulled way far ahead horsepower wise in the cpu market.
Heck Intel stole technology from Digital and got away with it Can you tell me what the heck you are talking about?
Intel was accused by Bill Palmer, the then CEO of Digital and now a director at AMD, of stealing Digital technology at a time that when Digital was running out of money going broke. Digital obviously couldnt prove their claim and they settled and Digital did not receive anything for their claim that Intel stole their secrets and Intel ended up the buying Digitals losing money fab in Hudson, Mass. The fab is still one of Intel fabs and apparently operated at a profit. Digital at its demise was carved up into pieces, some went here and some went there. Digital engineers went to both Intel and AMD.
AMD two fabs are in the EU and are heavily subsidized by the EU. However on March 2, 2009 AMD in a spin off transferred the fabs to GlobalFoundries which is a company 65% owned by the government of Abu Dhabi and 35% owned by AMD.
For more recent examples:
I got one of the Wolfdales with the bad temp sensor in it.
Doesn’t matter much though - running 4ghz+ without a temp increase anyway so it was a moot point - but still: their fault for crappy quality control. I could probably push this thing up high enough to degrade it because of the volt increase without a temp increase even: but any way you want to slice it the cpu is still “defective” because of that temp sensor. As it is, I wish I had some more accurate readings from the onboard instead of having to use a secondary sensor to read the temp.
I can’t complain about the raw performance however as it rocks socks. My point is just that your right - they have a history of shipping bad cpu’s.
However in fairness - AMD has had its own issues as well - just not anywhere near as many as Intel.
This sort of shakedown of large companies is in America’s future, too.
0bama has recently promised to strengthen “anti-trust” laws and use them to go after big corporations and technology leaders like Intel.
The Dark Ages are approaching.
I guess Moore’s Law will finally be broken.
In this example, why should Toyohonda be in any way able to use the force of government to interfere with the contractual terms between other private entities? Interference at defacto gunpoint in such matters is an assault against freedom of association (as are unions whose creation is based on votes instead of a sum of voluntary associations, but that is another matter).
Actually 22 or 23.
I’m not comletely familiar with the details of this case, but I’m kind of amazed that the EU can take money from a US company so easily. Where will it stop? The US should find BMW in violation of our laws and order them to pay 2Billion.
And so the games begin.
They are ages 5 and 2. By the time they are old enough to step up to a real system, I’ll have something else built. ;-)
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