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Radio Rage (Seething Conservatives update)
Salon ^ | May 13, 2009 | Camille Paglia

Posted on 05/13/2009 6:41:17 AM PDT by MuttTheHoople

May 13, 2009 | In John Frankenheimer's taut 1964 film, "Seven Days in May," the Joint Chiefs of Staff, appalled at a disarmament treaty with the Soviet Union, plot a coup d'état to remove the president whom they regard as too soft and naive about the evil of America's enemies. The screenplay by Rod Serling (based on a 1962 novel by Fletcher Knebel and Charles W. Bailey II) is filled with passionate lines that seem right out of today's talk radio -- "intellectual dilettantes" versus patriotism; America's loss of "greatness"; the superiority of military experience to civilian judgment and governance.


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I find it funny that so-called "liberals" admit Conservatives have a much higher standard than them:

[QUOTE]As a longtime fan of talk radio, I don't think this bodes well for the long-term broad appeal of the medium. I want stimulation and expansion of my thinking -- not shrill, numbing hectoring and partisan undermining of the authority and dignity of the presidency. Rabidly Bush-bashing Democrats shouldn't have done it to the last president either, but that's no excuse for conservatives, who claim to revere our institutions, to play schoolyard tit for tat.

The fact that the Left has NO standards, yet expect us to live up to unreasonably high standards, is the ultimate hypocrisy.

1 posted on 05/13/2009 6:41:17 AM PDT by MuttTheHoople
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To: MuttTheHoople

Liberals, who are now in power in Washington, hate America and want to dismantle its foundational institutions and liberties, including capitalism and private property. Liberals are rootless internationalists who cravenly appease those who want to kill us.

I think she sums it up neatly.

2 posted on 05/13/2009 6:43:19 AM PDT by NativeNewYorker (Freepin' Jew Boy)
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To: MuttTheHoople

Methinks the left is worried.

They should be.


3 posted on 05/13/2009 6:43:28 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: Da Coyote

If you want to see a lib’s head spin around in spittle flinging anger,

mention “secession”.

This move trumps ALL of their control fantasies.


4 posted on 05/13/2009 6:44:22 AM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, Bowman later)
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To: MuttTheHoople

Y’know, I hate to admit it but I’m 90% on board with the old dyke Paglia on this one. Talk radio HAS gotten repetitive not to mention shrill - I can only take so much constant, repetitive bitching about 0. I GET IT!!! Now let’s do something PRODUCTIVE for the conservative cause, for a change.

Flame away.


5 posted on 05/13/2009 6:46:13 AM PDT by tgusa (Gun control: deep breath, sight alignment, squeeze the trigger ....)
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To: MuttTheHoople
In John Frankenheimer's taut 1964 film, "Seven Days in May,"

ANYTIME someone uses a fictitious event to draw parallels to, that makes me highly suspicious.

Although I respect Paglia's intellect (if not her views), this is far beneath her. It's along the lines of "You should watch Syriana because it will tell you all about the CIA."

6 posted on 05/13/2009 6:47:17 AM PDT by South Hawthorne (In Memory of my Dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: Owl_Eagle

“Mandrake, do you remember what Clemenceau once said about war ?”


7 posted on 05/13/2009 6:53:50 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: MuttTheHoople

I think there’s two reasons that you hear talk radio getting the shrill edge it has these days. First, there’s a significant amount of truth in it. Obama IS a stealth socialist, just look at what he’s done with Chrysler, with TARP, with bank nationalization. Look at what he’s talking about doing with cap and trade. To a conservative, this massive, sudden grab of government control over the private sector is something that needs to be shouted against at full volume.

Which leads into the second reason...we turn to “shrill” talk radio because we know that the mainstream media WILL NOT do their jobs and report on any of this. They are 100% in the bag for The One and his socialist liberal agenda and will not even give us the objective facts about what he’s doing, much less any commentary against it. They are a paid propaganda arm of the Democratic Party, for the most part, and thus we have to turn to Limbaugh, and Hannity, and Savage, and Ingraham, and Levin, and dozens of other conservative talk radio hosts, to find truth.

}:-)4


8 posted on 05/13/2009 6:53:57 AM PDT by Moose4 (Hey RNC. Don't move toward the middle. MOVE THE MIDDLE TOWARD YOU.)
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To: Moose4

Oh, I forgot a third reason—because we conservatives are frustrated that our alleged leadership in Washington is doing NOTHING to counter Obama’s socialism. Yes, he’s got majorities in both Houses and the news media in his pocket. That’s no excuse not to fight! Instead of fighting tooth and nail for the conservative principles they mouthed to us during their election campaigns, most of them roll over and let themselves be steamrolled when the chips are down. That makes us angry, and that’s reflected in talk radio.

}:-)4


9 posted on 05/13/2009 6:56:16 AM PDT by Moose4 (Hey RNC. Don't move toward the middle. MOVE THE MIDDLE TOWARD YOU.)
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To: tgusa
Talk radio HAS gotten repetitive not to mention shrill - I can only take so much constant, repetitive bitching about 0. I GET IT!!! Now let’s do something PRODUCTIVE for the conservative cause, for a change.

I dunno, I guess some talk radio is that way. Certainly The Savage Weiner, and, unfortunately, Mark Levin, could be described that way.

I'm a Salem guy, and Bill Bennett certainly doesn't correlate to that description. Candor, intelligence, and good-will.

Mike Gallagher, yeah, that would cover him.

Dennis Prager talks about all sorts of things, and is insightful and compelling.

Michael Medved is smart as a whip and I enjoy listening to his strategy as he takes apart liberal arguments.

So, I guess my point is, some of the shows may be that way, but if you look around, there's some very intelligent, compelling radio to be had out there.

10 posted on 05/13/2009 6:56:34 AM PDT by South Hawthorne (In Memory of my Dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: tgusa
I have to admit that I can't listen to too many of the talk radio shows anymore....a lot of them like Laura Ingraham and Sean Hannity sound like they're whining too much (plus Sean kissing butt with RINO's). Rush is still good, if only because he's offering solutions to how to combat Obama.

The bedwetting flagburners are correct to try to attack Limbaugh, because he's showing the GOP just how to defeat Obama and the radical Left in the 2010 election. democrats linking Limbaugh with the GOP has gotten the RINO's shaking in their pumps. Ironically, the only time Limbaugh had any REAL influence with the Republican Party, they swept into power in 1994.

11 posted on 05/13/2009 6:58:01 AM PDT by MuttTheHoople
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To: tgusa

“Now let’s do something PRODUCTIVE for the conservative cause, for a change.”

Conservative Talk Radio IS PRODUCTIVE.....and INSTRUCTIVE. How do you think our message can get out to millions of people any better way? How will Obama and the democrat’s culture of corruption, graft and greed be known at all, if not for talk radio? Who will hold our conservative and republican reps and senators feet to the fire for sitting around and watching Obama turn our country into a communist/fascist state? It is a beyond foolish to undermine talk radio...it is suicidal.


12 posted on 05/13/2009 7:01:06 AM PDT by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: Moose4

The shouting against at full volume shoud be done in the House and Senate by the opposition, where it might make a difference. I respectfully submit that some folks like me who have listened to talk radio since its inception are being turned off by the shrillness. The talk radio hosts are all about keeping their numbers up to maximize their advertising revenue, which is fine, believe me. I get to listen to Limbaugh for a few minutes and then Hannity for as much as I can stand during my commute home - usually no more than 15 minutes, which is sad. You’re correct in that we have few outlets to turn to for balanced news and reasoned discourse, which is in short supply these days. I get my news almost exclusively from Fox News and some selective websites.


13 posted on 05/13/2009 7:03:39 AM PDT by tgusa (Gun control: deep breath, sight alignment, squeeze the trigger ....)
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To: Moose4

Agreed.


14 posted on 05/13/2009 7:04:18 AM PDT by tgusa (Gun control: deep breath, sight alignment, squeeze the trigger ....)
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To: MuttTheHoople

This article is the perfect example of liberal, elitist thinking.

Any rabid display of Bush hatred, conservative putdowns, taking away of speech freedoms is ok, wonderful, ignored as nothing (because, of course, it is justified or right).

But, one anti-Obama, anti-liberal statement or movement is cause for any manner of outrage.

So, what we see is that she sees nothing to worry about as America loses its protection from nuclear assault, the theft of the treasury by corrupt, out-of-control anti-American liberals, the continual daily assault on America’s wealth, social freedoms, health care, armies, world politics, nuclear arms - that is not worth worrying about.

She prefers mental stimulation rather than listening to those smart enough to see America being destroyed by her party. A typical nazi in action.

Utterly disgusting. Let her look at her own party’s doings, corruptions, destruction of the American economoy, military, education, and standing as a super power. Such utter ignorance and robot thinking.

But, gee, she did manage to criticize one, Wanda, as totally embarrassing, ignorant, hateful. But, in the same breath chastises Cheney and Mark Davis for a mere statement - not actions of destruction as is being done by her dictator - Obama.

She is right - revolution and emotional seething is going on and she is dealing with Americans - not a third world country led by a dictator.

How ignorant does she think the Americans are? We are not as blind as she is.


15 posted on 05/13/2009 7:05:14 AM PDT by ClancyJ
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To: Moose4

Exactly. I thank the good Lord everyday for Rush, Mark, Laura etc. I would just be a mind-controlled drone like the rest, if not for them.


16 posted on 05/13/2009 7:05:30 AM PDT by gibsosa
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To: Owl_Eagle

Unfortunately I can’t get streaming audio at work so am limited to a little of Rush and as much Hannity as I can stand during my commute home.


17 posted on 05/13/2009 7:05:40 AM PDT by tgusa (Gun control: deep breath, sight alignment, squeeze the trigger ....)
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To: penelopesire

“How will Obama and the democrat’s culture of corruption, graft and greed be known at all, if not for talk radio?”

Fox News?

I would submit that talk radio is undermining itself. IMHO.


18 posted on 05/13/2009 7:09:04 AM PDT by tgusa (Gun control: deep breath, sight alignment, squeeze the trigger ....)
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To: tgusa

Can’t stand Vanity either.

I listen to Glenn Beck. Well worth it. He’s saying stuff nobody else is saying.


19 posted on 05/13/2009 7:09:52 AM PDT by sauropod (People who do things are people that get things done.)
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To: sauropod

5 to 6 PM EDT on Fox News. I wouldn’t miss him either.


20 posted on 05/13/2009 7:11:49 AM PDT by tgusa (Gun control: deep breath, sight alignment, squeeze the trigger ....)
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To: MuttTheHoople

It is funny because liberals can take to the streets with ridiculously extremist (shrill) signs and no one in the MSM would characterize them this way. Paglia makes one small reference to how those on the left (including many in the media) treated President Bush but it obviously doesn’t concern her very much yet she claims that one instance of a talk-show whereas Mark Davis, subbing for Rush Limbaugh laughs while talking about comments by CBS sportscaster David Feherty all of sudden constitute a danger when combined with a fictional novel.

The fact is that her column on this issue is pure fiction. She is inventing the danger in order to smear conservative talk radio. She gives no quote at all from Mark Davis to back up her claims which says a lot about her tactics here.


21 posted on 05/13/2009 7:14:29 AM PDT by TheBigIf
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To: MrB

I am for secession over losing my life savings, being unprotected against radicals developing nuclear weapons as we dismantle ours, over sending my children to serve as brownshirts to march against fellow Americans, over giving away the freedoms our soldiers died for.

Secession yes - over allowing a president and his minions to steal the funds of the American treasury and redistribute or not to his fellow radicals, thugs, foreign allies who seek to mine the wealth of America and the American taxpayer.

Who says I have to pay for abortion worldwide, pay to give Obama a checkbook to utterly undermine America. Pay to allow him to destroy the healthcare of America and instill euthansia as a means to lower costs?

And she thinks the American public is so dumb as not to see what the left and Obama are doing to this country? How many of his “changes” are being voted on?


22 posted on 05/13/2009 7:14:53 AM PDT by ClancyJ
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To: MuttTheHoople

Poor Paglia, she must have gotten plenty of blowback from her article defending the right.

This is her lame attempt at atonement.

Blech.


23 posted on 05/13/2009 7:15:00 AM PDT by Carley (OBAMA IS A MALEVOLENT FORCE IN THE WORLD)
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To: gibsosa

What will you do when 0 succeeds in censoring talk radio? Do you have a social support network? Have you gotten involved with Glen Beck’s 912 project or the Tea Parties?


24 posted on 05/13/2009 7:18:05 AM PDT by tgusa (Gun control: deep breath, sight alignment, squeeze the trigger ....)
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To: MuttTheHoople
Yawn, the left (and its friends on the supposed right) did this to Rush when Clinton took office.

It is a coordinated attack...to defang any criticism of Hussein.

Commie propaganda and its usful idiots.

25 posted on 05/13/2009 7:18:21 AM PDT by roses of sharon
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To: MuttTheHoople

There 18 days left in May. Who knows what will happen.


26 posted on 05/13/2009 7:21:45 AM PDT by BubbaBasher ("Liberty will not long survive the total extinction of morals" - Sam Adams)
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To: MuttTheHoople
"Rabidly Bush-bashing Democrats shouldn't have done it to the last president either, but that's no excuse for conservatives, who claim to revere our institutions, to play schoolyard tit for tat."

Minimally after the past eight years? For any single Leftist to point out what was said above, then try using "our Institutions" to run interference for them is beyond pathetic, it's contemptible. Again. Chutzpah beyond mere words.

Proves Leftist(s) deliberately knew what they were doing, to who and when of course. Only this time --& perhaps for the first time, ever-- they're acknowledging the twisted behavior with their own words.
How refreshing, as well as Pyrrhic.

Of course *now* since they'd like to hide behind those Institutions, they expect us to STF up while they revere 'em. LOL

27 posted on 05/13/2009 7:21:46 AM PDT by Landru (Arghh, Liberals are trapped in my colon like spackle or paste.)
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To: Moose4

After 8 years of Bush-bashing, it’s too late for Paglia to whine that conservatives should be above “schoolyard tit-for-tat”. Particularly since the Left is STILL attacking Republicans. It’s on.


28 posted on 05/13/2009 7:22:30 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money -- Thatcher)
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To: MuttTheHoople

I agree with Paglia — Mark Davis IS a “glib horse’s ass.” HOWEVER, she misrepresents his bit on CBS sportscaster David Feherty. Davis does NOT laugh and does NOT express any approval of the quote from Feherty.

Listen to the clip: Davis may be a horse’s ass, but Paglia is a lying POS.


29 posted on 05/13/2009 7:24:46 AM PDT by Poe White Trash
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To: tgusa

Hannity for one is like listening to a broken cd. I am told he appeals to the “younger set”. They must require massive repetition to get anything stuck into their young gords full of mush.


30 posted on 05/13/2009 7:28:16 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Nemo me impune lacessit)
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To: Owl_Eagle
Savage = shrill. Levin = good old fashioned rants. I love Levin on a tear. Savage not so much.
31 posted on 05/13/2009 7:29:59 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Nemo me impune lacessit)
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To: gibsosa
There's nothing easier than telling the guy you just beat that he should forget the depths you plumbed to do so.

If you have a few hours, scroll through Malkin’s “Bush Derangement Syndrome” archive.

The UnAmerican Democrat Party spent the last eight years engaged in a disgusting orgy of divisive political hatred and now they lecture Rush to play nice?

When we asked them to unite for the country it was in the course of a shooting war with an enemy who would like to kill us all. And they told us to stuff it.

Go Rush!

32 posted on 05/13/2009 7:29:59 AM PDT by roses of sharon
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To: Owl_Eagle
ANYTIME someone uses a fictitious event to draw parallels to, that makes me highly suspicious.

I suppose next you'll be disputing the validity of comparing the current political situation with the dilemma faced by Capt. Kirk in that classic Star Trek episode.

Regards,

33 posted on 05/13/2009 7:30:51 AM PDT by alexander_busek
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To: mad_as_he$$

Good point! Being an old phart myself, I forget about what is required to beat an idea into a thick young skull.


34 posted on 05/13/2009 7:30:56 AM PDT by tgusa (Gun control: deep breath, sight alignment, squeeze the trigger ....)
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To: tgusa

“The sepulchral, doom-obsessed and megalomaniacal Dick Cheney’s self-intrusion into the news last weekend was a nice demonstration of just what a fresh new breeze Obama represents in Washington.”

Is she not guilty of the same hyperbolic bomb-throwing that she accuses the right of ?!?!?


35 posted on 05/13/2009 7:31:56 AM PDT by ExpatGator (Extending logic since 1961.)
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To: Moose4

“stealth socialist”?

Wrong, he’s a blatant, anti-western socialist.


36 posted on 05/13/2009 7:34:06 AM PDT by ExpatGator (Extending logic since 1961.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

“Listen here Bat Guano, if that is your real name....”


37 posted on 05/13/2009 7:34:42 AM PDT by laotzu
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To: ExpatGator

I thought the discussion here was about talk radio. Of course I could have been wrong.


38 posted on 05/13/2009 7:35:34 AM PDT by tgusa (Gun control: deep breath, sight alignment, squeeze the trigger ....)
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To: mad_as_he$$
I can't listen to Hannity. If I do listen, within a half hour, I'm talking like a N’Yawker.
39 posted on 05/13/2009 7:38:12 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: tgusa

My post quotes Paglia’s article about radio, which is the article that was posted for discussion.

So, yes you were right, in that you were wrong.


40 posted on 05/13/2009 7:40:24 AM PDT by ExpatGator (Extending logic since 1961.)
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41 posted on 05/13/2009 7:41:19 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (What happened to the end of the politics of personal destruction that Obama claimed to be bringing?)
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To: MuttTheHoople
How have we come to this pass in America where the assassination of top government officials is fodder for snide jokes on national radio?

She must have slept through 8 years of the Bush Administration where persons like Randi Rhodes REPEATEDLY made death threats against the president on the radio (on Air America).

Recall the comedy program with the "snipers wanted" gag?

And here are more examples of Left Wing Hate Speech:

All the Rage--Wanda Sykes’ death wish is but the latest exhibit of leftist bloodlust. (FrontPageMagazine.com May 13, 2009 Ben Johnson)

And get this...

The gravity of this case was unfortunately overshadowed by feisty comedian Wanda Sykes' clumsy jibes at Rush Limbaugh the next night at the Washington Correspondents Dinner.

It was a "clumsy jibe" to say she'd like him to get kidney failure.

42 posted on 05/13/2009 7:46:23 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (What happened to the end of the politics of personal destruction that Obama claimed to be bringing?)
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To: MuttTheHoople

What she doesn’t touch on is that the “disgruntled demographics” include many of the most productive and “patriotic” citizens. They are they groups that Pew Typology classify as enterprisers: the most likely to be veterans, stock traders, gun owners, small business owners, etc. Also by the way, the wealthiest. They are disenchanting the backbone of the nation.


43 posted on 05/13/2009 7:46:41 AM PDT by MSF BU (++)
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To: tgusa

Which hosts do you listen to?


44 posted on 05/13/2009 7:47:40 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (What happened to the end of the politics of personal destruction that Obama claimed to be bringing?)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Is Hannity still plugging his book?


45 posted on 05/13/2009 7:48:24 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (What happened to the end of the politics of personal destruction that Obama claimed to be bringing?)
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To: mad_as_he$$
Levin = good old fashioned rants.

Don't get me wrong, him being a fellow Temple Owl, I have genuine affection for the man (not to mention his excellent books).

I'm just disappointed that he doesn't put his incredible knowledge and intellect on display more often on his radio show.

I may have a heightened sensitivity to the "loud mouth jerk" moniker being placed on people and I feel he's lining himself up for that with his rants.

46 posted on 05/13/2009 7:49:56 AM PDT by South Hawthorne (In Memory of my Dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: roses of sharon

We are told that we should let the President do whatever he wants now (as he put it, he doesn’t need consensus, he won) and that we need to “give him a chance” since he is different than the person who occupied the White House for 8 years. I don’t recall them having that attitude in 2001 when Bush came in after 8 years of Clinton-Clinton.


47 posted on 05/13/2009 7:50:38 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (What happened to the end of the politics of personal destruction that Obama claimed to be bringing?)
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To: a fool in paradise

Don’t know. Didn’t know he was published.


48 posted on 05/13/2009 7:51:26 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: PapaBear3625

See by tagline


49 posted on 05/13/2009 7:51:50 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (What happened to the end of the politics of personal destruction that Obama claimed to be bringing?)
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To: Moose4

Michael Medved has come out on air against trying to label Obama’s policies socialist. Then again Michael Medved is a struggling recovering liberal.

It isn’t that he doesn’t see them as “Socialist”. He just thinks it turns off moderates and uninformed persons.

There is a reason that Socialism is an uncomfortable word to Americans. And they need to be made aware when the Socialist policies of the government are being expanded.


50 posted on 05/13/2009 7:54:28 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (What happened to the end of the politics of personal destruction that Obama claimed to be bringing?)
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