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GOP tone-deaf to generation that will shape politics
AJC ^ | 5/14/09 | Morley Winograd and Michael D. Hais

Posted on 05/13/2009 4:37:52 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun

If the Republican Party thinks it has problems now, just wait. The party’s poor performance among young voters in the 2008 election raises questions about the long-term competitiveness of the GOP.

The “millennials” — the generation of Americans born between 1982 and 2003 — now identify as Democrats by a ratio of 2-to-1. They are the first in four generations to contain more self-perceived liberals than conservatives.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: generationy; gop; millenials; politics; voters; youthvote
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1 posted on 05/13/2009 4:37:53 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: anniegetyourgun

“If the Republican Party thinks it has problems now, just wait. The party’s poor performance among young voters in the 2008 election raises questions about the long-term competitiveness of the GOP.”

Hmmmmmmm...I think I’ve heard this before...


2 posted on 05/13/2009 4:40:05 PM PDT by jessduntno (July 4th, 2009. Washington DC. Gadsden Flags. Be There.)
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To: jessduntno

I don’t know if I would have ever considered myself to be a liberal but when I was 20something I was certainly more liberal than I am now.

No point in taking the party to the youngsters if it turns them off when they grow up.


3 posted on 05/13/2009 4:42:29 PM PDT by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: anniegetyourgun

“the generation of Americans born between 1982 and 2003”

We don’t appeal to 6 year olds? We didn’t promise them the right toys in their Christmas stocking?

More MSM drivel!


4 posted on 05/13/2009 4:43:24 PM PDT by devere
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To: anniegetyourgun
And a recent Daily Kos tracking poll should send shudders down the spine of any Republican who understands how powerful a voting bloc this generation could become over the next decade.

Daily Kos poll? LOL

Only 9 percent of millennials polled expressed a favorable opinion of the Republican Party

I don't have a favorable opinion of the Republican Party, but it doesn't mean I want it to become more liberal. Sheesh!

Morley Winograd and Michael Hais are co-authors of “Millennial Makeover: MySpace, YouTube, and the Future of American Politics.”

ROFL. I should have read that first.

5 posted on 05/13/2009 4:43:40 PM PDT by calcowgirl (RECALL Abel Maldonado! - NO on Props 1A 1B 1C 1D 1E 1F)
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To: anniegetyourgun

To quote Margaret Thatcher - “the facts of life are conservative.”


7 posted on 05/13/2009 4:46:01 PM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: cripplecreek

“I was certainly more liberal than I was now”

Me too. When I “matured” and started paying taxes, I realized how much money the government was demanding of me and wasting.


8 posted on 05/13/2009 4:46:17 PM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like what you say))
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To: anniegetyourgun

Younger people are more liberal, you say? Surprise, surprise. After decades of government schooling, television, and immoral popular music, what do you expect?


9 posted on 05/13/2009 4:47:36 PM PDT by SandWMan (Even if you can't legislate morality, you can legislate morally.)
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To: anniegetyourgun

Well Duh. They go to schools that teach liberal horsecrap by liberal Union teachers . What else can be expected.?


10 posted on 05/13/2009 4:53:07 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: anniegetyourgun
Not surprising. This was the first generation totally poisoned by rap, wiggers, and boy band faggotry.

This all happened after MTV became a defacto Black Entertainment Television (BET) network.

11 posted on 05/13/2009 4:54:24 PM PDT by MGMSwordsman
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To: anniegetyourgun

There is absolutely no way that conservative values can or will be embedded in younger voters or minority populations. You cannot create an immediate comprehension of American history or politics in a voting cohort completely ignorant of our past and the American Constitution. Anarchy will come, but not because of a ideological struggle, rahter it will be over identity politics and every man for him (or her) self.


12 posted on 05/13/2009 4:56:16 PM PDT by yetidog
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To: freeangel
Exactly. After a few years of paying off student loans (many $100,000 plus) and paying the taxes for

1. Baby boomer SS

2. Obama's deficits

I'm thinking that some of the brighter ones might become receptive to a conservative message.

The not-so-bright ones are probably liberals forever.

13 posted on 05/13/2009 4:57:17 PM PDT by willgolfforfood
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To: anniegetyourgun

The GOP also needs a hearing aid to hear the sucking sound of conservative Reagan Democrats who see their jobs exported. GOP leadership only has ears to hear liberal moderates.


14 posted on 05/13/2009 4:57:35 PM PDT by ex-snook ("Above all things, truth beareth away the victory.")
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To: anniegetyourgun

4 years of unemplyment under barry will fix that!


15 posted on 05/13/2009 5:01:13 PM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: anniegetyourgun

2003? So six year old kids identify themselves as Democrats?

Wait’ll this bunch get older, start paying taxes and having to find decent schools for their own kids. We’ll see how liberal they are then.

My daughters, born 1984 and 86, do not identify as Democrats, or liberals, I assure you.


16 posted on 05/13/2009 5:03:10 PM PDT by Argus (We've gone downtown to Clown Town, and that's where we'll be living from now on..)
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To: ex-snook
1. The Reagan Democrats were a) not really conservative (just hated having blacks bussed into their neighborhoods and upset with crime) b) did NOT turn out in large numbers (the percentage of blue collar folks in the midwest and NE who voted for Reagan was inflated by lower voter turnout in their districts, especially in '84) c) continued to vote for socialists on the congressional and state levels and d) are, for the most part, either collecting social security or six feet under ground.

Could we stop talking like its 1980 folks?

17 posted on 05/13/2009 5:03:46 PM PDT by Clemenza (Remember our Korean War Veterans)
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To: anniegetyourgun

Although i think this poll is BS, I do think it is time to stop letting ourselves be defined by others in an extremely negative way. Hillary was right when she talked about the ‘politics of meaning’. She just had the wrong meaning in mind.

Freedom, self-determination, the opportunity to follow your dreams and shape your own life based on your efforts and abilities, rewarding innovators whose ideas shape the future, etc. These are all fresh ideals that are consistent with, and best represented by the middle and right. They are not new ideals, but they remain fresh because they are inspiring and appeal to the spirit within people that makes them want to reach out and be more than they could imagine.

That’s what we need to sell. The left is pushing a very stale platform based on the idea that we are better off living like the Borg. They are only being successful at this point because they have a good propaganda machine, and we have let them define us as many things that we are not.


18 posted on 05/13/2009 5:05:48 PM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: cripplecreek

I’m in my 30s now, but when I was in my early 20s, I was fairly liberal in some ways. I guess that Churchill saying has some merit. I wouldn’t stress too much.


19 posted on 05/13/2009 5:19:57 PM PDT by thecabal (Hey Obama, when you gonna start sharin' the sacrifice?)
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To: Venturer
that those youngster do the reverse of what we did in the 60s, and revel against their liberal parents.
20 posted on 05/13/2009 5:20:09 PM PDT by pennboricua
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To: anniegetyourgun

So what? Even if true, the Republican Party should stick to conservative principles and be a voice for them. If they have value, they will find an audience. Moreover, as youngsters grow older and start to have families, some may grow out of liberalism.


21 posted on 05/13/2009 5:24:49 PM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: anniegetyourgun

I was a Democrat when I was in my early 20s, too. When I started working for a living, and saw how much the government took out of my paycheck, and saw how many leeches there were out there who didn’t work, I became a conservative independent. Only later did I become a Republican.


22 posted on 05/13/2009 5:27:53 PM PDT by attiladhun2 (Obama is the anti-Reagan, he believes government is the solution, rather than the problem)
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To: anniegetyourgun

Baby boomers and Gen X were also liberal too. Guess where the core of the GOP lies. ;)


23 posted on 05/13/2009 5:34:34 PM PDT by TypeZoNegative (Pro life & Vegan because I respect all life, Republican because our enemies don't respect ours.)
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To: anniegetyourgun

The irony is their generation(s)are gettign screwed the worst.


24 posted on 05/13/2009 5:36:58 PM PDT by 38special (I mean come on.)
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To: anniegetyourgun
Election results comparison
State Year = 2008 Year = 2004 Electoral Votes
Florida 27
Obama
4,282,074 Kerry 3,583,544
McCain 4,045,624 Bush 3,964,522
236,450 380,978
Ohio 20
Obama
2,933,388
Kerry 2,741,165
McCain
2,674,491
Bush 2,859,764
258,897 118,599
North Carolina 15
Obama
2,142,651
Kerry 1,525,849
McCain
2,128,474
Bush 1,961,166
14,177 435,317
New Mexico 5
Obama
472,422
Kerry 370,942
McCain
346,832
Bush 376,930
125,590 5,988
Colorado 9
Obama
1,288,576
Kerry 1,101,255
McCain
1,073,589
Bush 1,001,732
214,987 99,523
Pennsylvania 21
Obama
3,276,363
Kerry 2,938,095
McCain
2,655,885
Bush 2,793,847
620,478 144,248
Iowa 7
Obama
828,940 Kerry 741,898
McCain 682,379 Bush 751,957
146,561 10,059
Nevada 5
Obama
533,736
Kerry 397,190
McCain
412,827
Bush 418,690
120,909 21,500
Indiana 11
Obama
1,374,039 Kerry 969,011
McCain 1,345,648 Bush 1,479,438
28,391 510,427
Virginia 13
Obama
1,959,532 Kerry 1,454,742
McCain 1,725,005 Bush 1,716,959
234,527 262,217
TOTAL 106

25 posted on 05/13/2009 5:43:34 PM PDT by combat_boots (When the government controls the captial, all that is left is tyranny. Tagline by Redwarning.)
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I forgot to mention that the figure directly under the totals are differences in the vote totals.


26 posted on 05/13/2009 5:44:31 PM PDT by combat_boots (When the government controls the captial, all that is left is tyranny. Tagline by Redwarning.)
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To: vbmoneyspender

Why is it that so many in the media are soooo concerned about the Republican Party these days. Is it that they are really worried that the Radicals have stolen the Dems and that any steadying influence in the “center” would be welcome. For a group, the media, that so hates the Pubbies I just find it curious that they want to give advice.
Would the Steelers coach want to give advice to the Cardinals coach in this years’ Super Bowl. I doubt it.
Another thought. These milennials may start to change their minds in the next few years when they see what the programs the Dems pass soon are going to cost them. The Boomers will be retired and the millennials will be the ones working to support the society. It won’t be pretty, especially for a generation used to getting whatever they want. “What do you mean I have to work and only get to keep 30 cents of every dollar I earn?”


27 posted on 05/13/2009 6:00:07 PM PDT by bombthrower
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To: willgolfforfood
Fiscal conservatism will sell to the 28 year old who sees what is going on.

The jump to social conservative ideas will take a bit longer. They have not yet made the connection between social liberalism and the cultural decay (40% illegitimacy, drugs, disintegration of the family) that ends up driving the high cost of government and hence taxes.

But they will someday.

So for now sell the punitive taxes they will be paying, show that you are committed to shrinking the size of government and reducing taxes and they will vote you in.

schu

28 posted on 05/13/2009 6:12:40 PM PDT by schu
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To: jessduntno
Many of the young'ns swept away by Obamania are now taking their time and paying attention to what is happening. They are beginning to realize that "Hope and Change" is not a TV "reality show," and it's they who will have to make good on all those trillions Obama is pissing down the rat-hole. As they watch their parents and siblings and finally friends and themselves live the opening act of this nightmare, the balmy daze of 2008 will wither and die.
29 posted on 05/13/2009 6:16:40 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: SandWMan

I was born in 1982 and I was never a liberal, although I was pretty close until I wised up.


30 posted on 05/13/2009 6:17:34 PM PDT by darkangel82 (I don't have a superiority complex, I'm just better than you.)
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To: anniegetyourgun
"If you are not a liberal at 18, you have no heart. If you're not a conservative by age 40, you have no brain." --Don't know who said it but whoever it was is a genius

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These young idealistic poor bastard generation have no idea what they are getting themselves into.

Keep paying your FICA and FUTA taxes junior if you are lucky enough to get a job so that my parents and your elders can collect SS checks.

You won't see dime one back for the hundreds of thousands you spent. Dumbasses. Go back to school junior, you might learn something.

31 posted on 05/13/2009 6:24:20 PM PDT by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: Eric Blair 2084
"If you are not a liberal at 18, you have no heart. If you're not a conservative by age 40, you have no brain." --Don't know who said it but whoever it was is a genius"

Winston Churchill. And fortunately for me, I was VERY precocious, becoming one at 12.

32 posted on 05/13/2009 7:37:51 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: schu
The jump to social conservative ideas will take a bit longer.

If social conservatism is defined as it is on FR, don't hold your breath waiting for it to happen; they'll never jump.

Particularly issues like gay marriage.

33 posted on 05/13/2009 7:51:44 PM PDT by Strategerist
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To: anniegetyourgun; Eric Blair 2084; fieldmarshaldj; Clintonfatigued; BillyBoy

Guess I’m heartless. Unless they mean the original meaning of liberal, now called “classical liberal” rather than the current American usage “socialist”.

I was born in 1983, I prefer the term Generation Y.

“The “millennials” — the generation of Americans born between 1982 and 2003 — now identify as Democrats by a ratio of 2-to-1. They are the first in four generations to contain more self-perceived liberals than conservatives.

And a recent Daily Kos tracking poll should send shudders down the spine of any Republican who understands how powerful a voting bloc this generation could become over the next decade.

Only 9 percent of millennials polled expressed a favorable opinion of the Republican Party. Only 7 percent were positive about the GOP’s congressional leaders. By contrast, 65 percent of millennials had a favorable opinion of the Democratic Party, and a majority also approved of congressional Democrats.”

Those #s look inflated (Daily Kos lol) but anything close to that is not good.

CF I think you posited once that we’ll win in the long term.


34 posted on 05/14/2009 1:42:11 AM PDT by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN)
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To: rabscuttle385

Ping to #34


35 posted on 05/14/2009 1:43:56 AM PDT by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN)
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To: Impy

That poll is bull$hit. And I’m sure it was real cute seeing them ask a question of a 5-year old in that “millenials” poll about their opinion of the Republican party. Besides, a large percent of REPUBLICANS of all ages don’t have a positive opinion of their own party.


36 posted on 05/14/2009 2:05:05 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: fieldmarshaldj
"That poll is bull$hit. And I’m sure it was real cute seeing them ask a question of a 5-year old in that “millenials” poll about their opinion of the Republican party."

Dems could buy those votes easy. Ice cream would do the trick. If only. That reminds me of the Green Party leader in Canada who said if children could vote she'd have won in a landslide. LMAO.

"Besides, a large percent of REPUBLICANS of all ages don’t have a positive opinion of their own party."

Yes, I could hardly say I do if by "party" one means it's most recent "leaders" and their "stupid party" politics and dem-lite policies.

But rat approval #s anything close to that are horrendous. I'd to need see a more reliable poll than Daily Kos though.

I have the feeling amongst the young, they may like Obama but the rat party itself would be less popular and Pelosi and Reid I'm certain hardly more liked by them (those few than even know who they are I mean) than are our Congressional leaders. Congress' approval is consistently in the toilet.

37 posted on 05/14/2009 2:26:35 AM PDT by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN)
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To: Impy
Here on FR we frequently poo-poo information (regardless of its source) that we don't want to acknowledge. We do that at our peril.

The reality is that a majority of Americans are deluded.

38 posted on 05/14/2009 4:54:55 AM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: jessduntno
Young voters are, mostly, lazy and ignorant voters. They want everybody to “have enough,” “ to get along,” “to save the world,” “have free medical care,” etc. Daddy and Mommy have been paying the bills so long that they really DO think that money grows on trees.

Eventually, they have the real nature of the world shoved down their throats. After that, if they are still voting like Democrats, its because they're stupid or evil.

Besides, if this advice was worth anything, why would she be sharing it with Republicans?

39 posted on 05/14/2009 5:07:01 AM PDT by Little Ray (Do we have a Plan B?)
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To: Impy
I was born in 1983, I prefer the term Generation Y.

I graduated high school in 1984. I now feel old! ;-P

40 posted on 05/14/2009 5:10:06 AM PDT by MortMan (Power without responsibility-the prerogative of the harlot throughout the ages. - Rudyard Kipling)
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To: anniegetyourgun

Swing voters whom I talked to voted non-Bush ... ie. change. McCain was more of the same, in their opinion.

FWIW


41 posted on 05/14/2009 5:10:34 AM PDT by maggief
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To: anniegetyourgun

The reality is that half the population has no investment in this country. They vote for “free stuff.” After all, they’re not paying the taxes...
And nobody beats the Democrats for fronting “free stuff” to their constituents. I thought the ‘Pubbies had taken the crown as big spenders, until Obama’s Democrat Fantasy Spending (aka “Stimulus Package”) bill was rammed down our throats.

They will eventually find out how badly they’ve screwed up, but it might be too late.


42 posted on 05/14/2009 5:11:49 AM PDT by Little Ray (Do we have a Plan B?)
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To: anniegetyourgun
I find a lot of similarity to how it was back in the ‘60’s. Wars tend to radicalize young ‘uns. I remember news coverage of college kids in ‘67 saying that the average kid in college was saying things that he could be hit for just a year or two. By ‘68 we had a solid youth revolt. But by ‘76 the kids were voting for Ford and then Reagan in the ‘80’s.

The same thing is happening now. Just Few years ago. PC commencement speakers were being booed down for their BS. Now they are not. The kids have become more liberal like they did in ‘68. I hope we end up with the same result.

43 posted on 05/14/2009 5:13:35 AM PDT by bilhosty (Tax payers for change)
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To: maggief

That message (more of the same) was a cornerstone of the Obama campaign. It worked, because it was true - McCain would have been more of the same. However, what our deluded electorate embraced instead was something completely different. Evil....but different. But, they are so deluded that they can’t see the evil.


44 posted on 05/14/2009 5:29:25 AM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: Little Ray

Yes, the libs own the majority via largess. And that will just continue to get worse under this administration.


45 posted on 05/14/2009 5:30:42 AM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: bilhosty

While you’re correct about youth, I don’t believe we’re simply “in a cycle.” With the election of B.O., all things have changed...nothing is the same.


46 posted on 05/14/2009 5:32:19 AM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: anniegetyourgun
So we're supposed to let the most poorly educated, most self-indulgent, most narcissistic, and least American generation in history rule America unchallenged. Got it!

Anytime a nation sets its priorities based on what “youth” are demanding, it has a very serious problem. It isn't just the long-term viability of the GOP that's at stake, but the whole country that's headed down the tubes.

Of course, this can all be traced back to the RINOs who told us that the demographic make-up of America doesn't matter, that leftist control of the educational system doesn't matter, that leftist control of the culture doesn't matter. All that matters is free trade and lower business taxes. Don't worry about the rest of that “divisive” stuff.

So we didn't worry, and now we've produced a “youth vote” that worships Obama like some kind of Socialist deity.

Thanks, RINOs!

47 posted on 05/14/2009 6:12:48 AM PDT by puroresu (Enjoy ASIAN CINEMA? See my Freeper page for recommendations (REALLY & TRULY updated!).)
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To: Strategerist

Then American liberty will die, because it cannot survive same-sex “marriage” and its attendant pathologies and restrictions on freedom.


48 posted on 05/14/2009 6:19:28 AM PDT by puroresu (Enjoy ASIAN CINEMA? See my Freeper page for recommendations (REALLY & TRULY updated!).)
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To: Impy

“CF I think you posited once that we’ll win in the long term.”

If we haven’t imploded by then, than I think we will eventually. But we’ll mostly lose in the short term.

When I was growing up, many people my age remembered the failed Jimmy Carter Presidency, and responded by supporting Reagan in large numbers. Young people now remember George W. Bush, the Republican Jimmy Carter, and responded accordingly.


49 posted on 05/14/2009 3:24:06 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (The McCain/Palin ticket was like a Kangaroo, stronger on the bottom than at the top)
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To: Clintonfatigued; Impy

With JFK inspiring young Catholics adn Goldwater’s flop of a campaign, the GOP was declared dead. 8 years later in 1972, with the South turning for Nixon, pundits declared an emerging conservative majority. The point is that political fortunates are not fixed. Democracies need an opposition party to the incumbent party to be healthy. That said its going to take a while for the taste of Bush to wash away. If the economy continues to stagnate for the next 6 years, I expect the public to finally wake up.


50 posted on 05/14/2009 6:36:48 PM PDT by yongin
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