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London suffering from shocking rise in rare 'Victorian' diseases
UK Daily Mail ^

Posted on 05/14/2009 1:47:58 PM PDT by mnehring

London is suffering a startling rise in diseases associated with Victorian times, official figures reveal today.

Rare infectious illnesses including typhoid, whooping cough and scarlet fever have soared by 166 per cent in the past two years, with the number of cases of mumps - a disease easily prevented with vaccine - rising from 125 in 2007 to 393 last year - an increase of 214 per cent.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Government; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: disease; uk; vaccination
I thought people vaccinated their kids against these things? Oh wait.. never mind...
The rise could be a result of parents refusing the MMR jab after now-debunked claims in 2001 that it might be linked to autism.
1 posted on 05/14/2009 1:47:58 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: mnehring

bookmark


2 posted on 05/14/2009 1:51:21 PM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: mnehring

You got THAT right on both counts. We nearly eradicated these diseases and now because some people and other nations never did, we all get to enjoy them again.


3 posted on 05/14/2009 1:51:28 PM PDT by Netizen
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To: mnehring
Pak-pak-pak .. Pak-pak-eee-stan
Lon-lon-lon .. Lon-don-eee-tan
4 posted on 05/14/2009 1:51:58 PM PDT by BigEdLB (Now there ARE 1,000,000 regrets - but it may be too late.)
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To: BigEdLB

That’s what I thought until I realized it is really Bush’s fault.


5 posted on 05/14/2009 1:54:35 PM PDT by ducdriver (judica me, Deus, et discerne causam meam de gente non sancta. (Ps. 42))
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To: mnehring
With their outstanding healtcare system I thought that nobody in the UK even got sick...let alone died.Our increase in TB and other medieval diseases is due pretty much entirely from denizens of the Fourth World illegally crossing our southern border.

I wonder what could be causing it in the UK?

Anyone have any guesses?

6 posted on 05/14/2009 1:55:25 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Christian+Veteran=Terrorist)
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To: mnehring

Muslims believe the vaccinations are made with pigs


7 posted on 05/14/2009 1:56:07 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: mnehring

Moslem nurses won’t roll up their dirty sleeves.


8 posted on 05/14/2009 1:57:26 PM PDT by donna (Required experience for the next Republican President: Military Service!)
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To: donna

Nah, see they make the vaccine out of pigs and stick Muslims with it so they can’t get into Paradise.

No shit. Infidels suck like that.


9 posted on 05/14/2009 1:58:54 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: mnehring

Where’s Cholora Joe?


10 posted on 05/14/2009 1:59:34 PM PDT by WOBBLY BOB (ACORN:American Corruption for Obama Right Now)
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To: mnehring

Consumption?


11 posted on 05/14/2009 2:04:24 PM PDT by fleagle ( An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last. -Winston Churchill)
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To: mnehring
The rise could be a result of parents refusing the MMR jab after now-debunked claims in 2001 that it might be linked to autism.

Now you've done it, you've offended a whole raft of Freepers.

Not that they will post to this thread. They'll wait until it's a theoretic subject.

12 posted on 05/14/2009 2:09:56 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Willful ignorance is a dangerous attitude.)
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To: mnehring

bump


13 posted on 05/14/2009 2:15:44 PM PDT by dangerdoc (dangerdoc (not actually dangerous any more))
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To: Balding_Eagle
If you're inoculated, you're fine. Your fellows, and their children, are entitled to take it or not. It is of no consequence to you. So why do you prate on so?

The argument that “it endangers us all...” is illogical. So what is it that makes you wish to compel others to get the inoculations?

14 posted on 05/14/2009 2:39:46 PM PDT by dasboot
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To: dasboot

Preventative medicine? The inoculations are probably cheaper than having to treat the full blown illness.


15 posted on 05/14/2009 2:41:48 PM PDT by Netizen
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To: mnehring

16 posted on 05/14/2009 2:48:05 PM PDT by traumer
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To: traumer

Rev. 16:2
And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.


17 posted on 05/14/2009 2:53:09 PM PDT by traumer
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To: Netizen
Hmmm.

I nearly lost my younger daughter to complications of the mmr shot. Cerebral cortex inflammation...and 24 hours of agonizing death-screams. The doc said "don't worry about it". He musta been praying. The has been mildly brain damaged since she was 2.5 yeas old as a result. Kinda like autism-lite. I and my kids and grandkids opt out forevermore, thank you very much.

But I still don't understand the need or desire to compel it for others.

My oldest daughter travels the world ...a merchant officer. Hasn't had an innoculation since she was four. She's jes fine. She knows the risks. Her body, her choice. {no fetus involved.} She is no risk to others protected by inoculation.

Socialized medicine brings the stain of "it's an expense to me." Do you know the value of my daughter...or grand-daughter? I'm betting the sensitivity is genetic. If you find out for sure, it's too late.

18 posted on 05/14/2009 2:58:38 PM PDT by dasboot
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To: mnehring

It is so sad that kids are getting sick because of the conspiracy theory thinking of their parents.


19 posted on 05/14/2009 3:05:14 PM PDT by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: dasboot
If the sensitivity is genetic, your doctor can find out for sure.

Children doe because they were not inoculated as well. Is the value on their lives any less?

20 posted on 05/14/2009 3:07:02 PM PDT by Netizen
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To: dasboot

“But I still don’t understand the need or desire to compel it for others.”

Innoculations are not 100% effective, on an individual-by-individual level. For best protection, everyone is vaccinated so as to break the “chain” of infection. It’s called “herd immunity.”


21 posted on 05/14/2009 3:14:12 PM PDT by Jewbacca (Yes, I am very hairy and good with small arms.)
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To: Straight Vermonter
Are you aware of the federal insurance fund to pay damages for the statistically-expected deaths of children receiving mandatory inoculations?

It's a very small number that die. But if you're the parent of the unfortunate child, it's 100%. The odds are better than any lottery that you'll 'win'. And the numbers are fudged to make the possibility seem remote, I believe. The medical and governmental health orgs, and pharmaceutical interests will work hard to prove that the inoculation was in no way responsible for the dead or damaged kid. Parents often know better. A lot of them. Including me. And we all have the same story to tell: "they said it wasn't...could not have been the shot". It happens a lot. A lot more often than you think.

I'm reminded of the miracle of Ritalin.

"If it doesn't do any good...it'll do no harm."

Not what any PDR has to say about it.

22 posted on 05/14/2009 3:22:48 PM PDT by dasboot
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To: Netizen

It takes a village?


23 posted on 05/14/2009 3:24:09 PM PDT by dasboot
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To: Jewbacca
I and mine are a link that you shall never close in that chain. Sorry.

And I do not believe that a physician can tell with certitude that a given child is, or is not, sensitive. I have been lied to. If it is a reliable test, why not give it universally? Expensive? If it saves one kid....

24 posted on 05/14/2009 3:32:14 PM PDT by dasboot
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To: dasboot

And you (probably) live free of disease because of the good will of your neighbors who have taken the small risk of a vaccine to keep your safe.

In short, you are a freeloader. You should be proud.


25 posted on 05/14/2009 3:40:48 PM PDT by Jewbacca (Yes, I am very hairy and good with small arms.)
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To: dasboot

“My oldest daughter travels the world ...a merchant officer. Hasn’t had an innoculation since she was four. She’s jes fine. She knows the risks. Her body, her choice. {no fetus involved.} She is no risk to others protected by inoculation.”

I find it suprising that she can find work in the merchant marines without taking her immunizations.


26 posted on 05/14/2009 4:22:47 PM PDT by dangerdoc (dangerdoc (not actually dangerous any more))
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To: mnehring

The French malady?


27 posted on 05/14/2009 4:29:04 PM PDT by Oratam
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To: Jewbacca
And you (probably) live free of disease because of the good will of your neighbors who have taken the small risk of a vaccine to keep your safe

I owe nothing to anyone who protects himself.

And none owe me for what I do to protect myself....from which they may benefit. That persons are free to do what is in their own self-interest benefits all. It goes both ways. Your statement betrays an unhealthy...for everyone...demand to conform to your will.

28 posted on 05/14/2009 7:43:56 PM PDT by dasboot
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I find it surprising that she can find work in the merchant marines without taking her immunizations

The only occupation I know of where compliance with immunization is mandatory, is the US military...under threat of courts-marshal, or prison.

Other nations may prohibit entry of un-immunized persons. She'd be quarantined to the ship at port. She has not had a problem that I know of.

Would that our nation exercised the same caution at our southern borders.

29 posted on 05/14/2009 7:56:18 PM PDT by dasboot
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To: dasboot
Are you aware of the federal insurance fund to pay damages for the statistically-expected deaths of children receiving mandatory inoculations?

Yes. Of course the death of any child from an inoculation is a tremendous tragedy. The death of a child from measles is tragic as well. The federal insurance pays for about 75 deaths per year. That is .0023% of the kids vaccinated in the US in a year. Even if the true rate of deaths is several times higher it is less than what a disease outbreak in a non-vaccinated population would cause. Measles alone still kills 250,000 kids around the world every year.

30 posted on 05/15/2009 5:24:44 AM PDT by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: Straight Vermonter
OK, SV,

btw....a large part of the resurgence in these viruses is strongly suspected to be the result of mutation, and immunity to available vaccines.

Health orgs will throw out 'facts' about how many people would die if vaccine X was not administered. When I was researching information about this 25 years ago, I came upon some authoritative published research that indicated that vaccines actually had a very limited role in the war against viral infections like polio, etc, and that the epidemics tended to ebb as the population's natural, collective body-defenses kicked in.

The fact is, that a lot of the conclusions and assertions taken as authoritative are, in fact, guesses.

My own experience with the medogovernmentopharmaceutical regime tells me the death rate from vaccination is a lot higher...along with the rate of brain damage that that bunch would never take the credit for. "Your kid was whack before the shot..it's natural for you to feel this way....but it's not the shot."

In other words, 'bug-off, pest...oh and don't make us call you an ignorant dufus by pressing the issue....'

I've just met too many people with stories like mine to believe that the procedure is safe...or as effective as commonly believed. And I've spoken, since, to medical professionals...including the president and CEO of a bio-tech firm: a military officer in charge of defending against biological-warfare threats ...who tell me my observations, and conclusions drawn therefrom, are not without merit.

31 posted on 05/15/2009 8:32:10 AM PDT by dasboot
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To: dasboot
I came upon some authoritative published research that indicated that vaccines actually had a very limited role in the war against viral infections like polio, etc, and that the epidemics tended to ebb as the population's natural, collective body-defenses kicked in.

Polio has existed since nearly the dawn of time, and has infected countless millions of people. You're telling me that it is a complete coincidence that polio has essentially been wiped out in the fifty years since Salk invented the vaccine?

32 posted on 05/15/2009 8:36:47 AM PDT by Publius Valerius
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To: Publius Valerius
Consider influenza. It, too, has been around for, probably, the same span of epochal time. It comes in waves...it survives by mutation...it is defeated by the process of natural immunization among human and other populations....then re-surges. It's a battle that is never won.

There was, in a book upon the subject which I read some decades ago, which postulated that Salk received accolades and emoluments for something he and his vaccine had little to do with...

I'm not saying that no one should get vaccinated. One should weigh the evidence, assess the risk, and decide for him/herself. In my case, I've determined that the risk exceeds the benefit. My children and their children? That's for them to decide.

Most off-putting is the way the 'establishment' ....with that same species of mind that tells us to give up our guns to curb 'violence', and insure our mutual prosperity through higher taxes......pours out dubious facts to encourage and mandate vaccination.

For example, in an article I just read, it is asserted that the best way to combat the mutated forms of these resurgent viruses is to command that everyone be inoculated with available stocks of old-model vaccines. The author states that it's our best shot. Maybe. Guesswork. Which program, if they could do it, would be rammed down your and my throat, under penalty for refusal, by the likes of the W.H.O. It's all they got. They have degrees, white lab coats, and authority: you can trust them. :^)

33 posted on 05/15/2009 9:02:02 AM PDT by dasboot
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To: dasboot

The post of a coward.


34 posted on 05/17/2009 3:26:12 PM PDT by Jewbacca (Yes, I am very hairy and good with small arms.)
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