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Scientists May Have Found How Life Began
Fox News ^ | May 14, 2009 | Fox News

Posted on 05/14/2009 8:19:44 PM PDT by AngieGal

British scientists said on Wednesday that they had figured out key steps in the process by which life on Earth may have emerged from a seething soup of simple chemicals, according to Agence France-Presse.

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KEYWORDS: abiogenesis; creation; evolution; immaculateconception
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The last primordial soup didn't work. This one won't either.

The more they find out about the complexity of life, the more they can't explain it without the Creator.

1 posted on 05/14/2009 8:19:44 PM PDT by AngieGal
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To: AngieGal

mega dittoes


2 posted on 05/14/2009 8:21:36 PM PDT by LiteKeeper (When do the impeachment proceedings begin?)
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To: AngieGal; DaveLoneRanger; demshateGod; doc1019; ClearCase_guy; CottShop; El Cid; ...
"The more they find out about the complexity of life, the more they can't explain it without the Creator."

Absolutely right, but they'll never stop trying.

3 posted on 05/14/2009 8:22:12 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: AngieGal

The scientists are wasting their time; this question has been answered. The just need the correct textbook:

“Genesis 1
The Beginning
1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. “


4 posted on 05/14/2009 8:23:19 PM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (I agree with Rick..)
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To: AngieGal

God must have a good laugh everyday at the folly and importance we give ourselves.


5 posted on 05/14/2009 8:23:55 PM PDT by madinmadtown (It is good to be right.)
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To: AngieGal

When God returns they’ll regret not checking His Word for the Truth.


6 posted on 05/14/2009 8:23:59 PM PDT by BipolarBob (Liberals wouldn't just free Barrabas, they would elect him to represent them.)
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To: editor-surveyor

the fact that they have continually tried the ‘pre biotic’ soup, THAT HAS NVR BEEN SHOWN TO EXIST...all in order to keep the house of cards from tumbling...

sad really...

Thank God for God.


7 posted on 05/14/2009 8:24:25 PM PDT by raygunfan
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To: raygunfan
"But DNA is too sophisticated to have popped up in an instant, and one avenue of thought says its single-stranded cousin, ribonucleic acid, or RNA, came first."

As though RNA could just pop into existance. They make fools of themselves daily.

8 posted on 05/14/2009 8:26:51 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: AngieGal

>>The more they find out about the complexity of life, the more they can’t explain it without the Creator.

Science is silent on the Creator.

But as secrets of His Universe unfolds, many scientists become believers.

Any child can comprehend “*POOF* and many of limited knowledge leave it at that.

When one sees just enough to know there is so much more to be seen, one appreciates the magnificence of the Universe and the idea that there is indeed Someone who started it all.


9 posted on 05/14/2009 8:27:52 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: AngieGal

I believe in the Holy trinity, however, creationism is not science, it’s a belief system. Yes, God created all. I am not disputing that.

However, God put in motion the process in which man was created. God doesn’t play dice with the universe, but as Job learned, God’s actions are beyond our understanding.


10 posted on 05/14/2009 8:28:56 PM PDT by Perdogg (0bama - America's Elegabalus and Commodus combined)
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To: editor-surveyor
As though RNA could just pop into existance. They make fools of themselves daily.

The irony... the irony...

11 posted on 05/14/2009 8:29:04 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: AngieGal

Well, if you want to look at it that way who made the soup? It wasn’t the Barefoot Contessa.


12 posted on 05/14/2009 8:30:20 PM PDT by Beowulf9
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To: GodGunsGuts

Psst, over here!


13 posted on 05/14/2009 8:30:47 PM PDT by AZ .44 MAG (A society that doesn't protect its children doesn't deserve to survive.)
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To: AngieGal

Hmmm...just think how red-faced they will be when they finally realize that God created the heavens and the earth and everything in it!


14 posted on 05/14/2009 8:31:06 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: AZ .44 MAG

I think we must have passed each other by when we hit send :o)


15 posted on 05/14/2009 8:32:53 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: AngieGal

“British scientists said on Wednesday that they had figured out key steps in the process by which life on Earth may have emerged from a seething soup of simple chemicals, according to Agence France-Presse.”

Big deal,,,

My Sunday School teacher explained it to me when I was five....


16 posted on 05/14/2009 8:33:10 PM PDT by babygene
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To: editor-surveyor

If life could just pop up out of a primordial soup then every time a septic tank takes a lighting strike we should have a new lifeform.

It’s full of all the necessary stuff required for life and the electrical jolt should provide the necessary impetus for kicking replication off.


17 posted on 05/14/2009 8:37:23 PM PDT by AZ .44 MAG (A society that doesn't protect its children doesn't deserve to survive.)
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To: AngieGal

Here’s one for you.

Begin with a single cell life form. Then consider billions of mutations (which are mistakes) occur that create more sophisticated and higher order life forms, where cells decide to do various functions, form limbs or wings, arms, legs until eventually a man is born. I don’t believe things mutate to superior life forms - but if we assume they did, can some one give me a probability of it occurring in the incredible spectrum of various species that now exist. They do not teach the probability associated with this theory because it would point to infeasibility. The odds don’t work. It is the backward analysis - that points to the human being and says ‘this is the only way he could have gotten here.’

As for mutating up, the sun provides the third party energy intro to a closed system. I still do not understand how things can systematically organize themselves to get better. Things tend to tear down, wear down and break down, like a home, which constantly needs repair or it is ultimately destroyed by the elements. Homes don’t build themselves. You cannot take rock, sand, water and metal and put it into a bingo drum and turn it for one billion years under sunlight and expect an apple computer to pop out. Yet - that is what they expect you to believe is the origin of life. Matter, defying the laws of physics, arranges itself in better and better ways, first as a single celled life form then in greater mutations to eventually becoming something that looks like a Michael Dukakis.

Improbable if not impossible.


18 posted on 05/14/2009 8:39:52 PM PDT by Titus-Maximus (Joe Biden: Once you get past the lead taste, paint chips are pretty good.)
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To: babygene; All

Amen!


19 posted on 05/14/2009 8:40:55 PM PDT by Bag (Impeach the Obozo! No Birth Certificate - No US Citizen!!)
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To: babygene

Primeordial soup?..........yeah right.

And the sound that was heard a split second before the big bang was ...........UH OH!


20 posted on 05/14/2009 8:41:37 PM PDT by Slimey
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To: editor-surveyor
Well it is about time they started theorizing on the origin of their fairy tale. Now I will attempt to make a visual mental adjustment from a ‘hot’ steaming primordial pond scum to a bubbling toxic chemical dump. Chances are that with bubbling chemicals billions of cells were produced in a flash that then started attaching themselves to one another to start this wild mythical claim they attribute to natural physical ‘living’.
21 posted on 05/14/2009 8:41:49 PM PDT by Just mythoughts (Bama and Company are reenacting the Pharaoh as told by Moses in Genesis!!!!!)
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To: GodGunsGuts
I think we must have passed each other by when we hit send :o)

OK, then. Belated high five!

22 posted on 05/14/2009 8:43:24 PM PDT by AZ .44 MAG (A society that doesn't protect its children doesn't deserve to survive.)
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To: AngieGal
...key steps in the process by which life on Earth may have emerged from a seething soup of simple chemicals

Bullion cubes?

23 posted on 05/14/2009 8:44:38 PM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: AngieGal
may have emerged from a seething soup

From vegetable soup they found the letters "B-I-B-L-E.

24 posted on 05/14/2009 8:45:13 PM PDT by taxesareforever (Quick justice for the senseless killing of Marine Lance Cpl. Robert Crutchfield.)
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To: Titus-Maximus
Begin with a single cell life form. Then consider billions of mutations (which are mistakes) occur that create more sophisticated and higher order life forms, where cells decide to do various functions, form limbs or wings, arms, legs until eventually a man is born. I don’t believe things mutate to superior life forms - but if we assume they did, can some one give me a probability of it occurring in the incredible spectrum of various species that now exist. They do not teach the probability associated with this theory because it would point to infeasibility. The odds don’t work. It is the backward analysis - that points to the human being and says ‘this is the only way he could have gotten here.’

Yawn. Come back when you understand the term "stochastic."

As for mutating up, the sun provides the third party energy intro to a closed system. I still do not understand how things can systematically organize themselves to get better. Things tend to tear down, wear down and break down, like a home, which constantly needs repair or it is ultimately destroyed by the elements. Homes don’t build themselves. You cannot take rock, sand, water and metal and put it into a bingo drum and turn it for one billion years under sunlight and expect an apple computer to pop out. Yet - that is what they expect you to believe is the origin of life. Matter, defying the laws of physics, arranges itself in better and better ways, first as a single celled life form then in greater mutations to eventually becoming something that looks like a Michael Dukakis.

Yawn. Your strawman, although cute as a bugs ear, doesn't even fall to the level of "oversimplification." The fact you don't understand stochastic processes and how entropy (that is the word you were looking for) does not really come into play, doesn't mean they don't happen.

Improbable if not impossible.

No, quite probable.

25 posted on 05/14/2009 8:45:16 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: AZ .44 MAG

HE is alive!


26 posted on 05/14/2009 8:45:26 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: DTogo
Bullion cubes?

Mmm... Primordial chicken soup.

27 posted on 05/14/2009 8:46:04 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: AngieGal

“Scientists May Have Found How Life Began”

They’ve discovered copulation?


28 posted on 05/14/2009 8:48:55 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: freedumb2003

I see a Far Side cartoon: God’s in the kitchen standing over a “seething” pot of primordial soup looking at some ingredients next to the stove top, scratching His beard and wondering what to put in next...


29 posted on 05/14/2009 8:51:18 PM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: AngieGal

Now when they figure out where the soup came from, they’ll really be on to something......


30 posted on 05/14/2009 8:51:59 PM PDT by Intolerant in NJ
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To: PetroniusMaximus
They’ve discovered copulation?

LOL!

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31 posted on 05/14/2009 8:52:17 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass (When you put Democrats in charge, stupid / deadly things happen... :^)
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To: freedumb2003

You still bleeding?

How are you coming on your assault on the P.E.?


32 posted on 05/14/2009 8:52:23 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: DTogo
I see a Far Side cartoon: God’s in the kitchen standing over a “seething” pot of primordial soup looking at some ingredients next to the stove top, scratching His beard and wondering what to put in next...

I am seeing a shaker with little stick people in it with a label that says "just add soup"

33 posted on 05/14/2009 8:52:31 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: AngieGal

I hear the local propaganda factories known as public schools are teaching that in the beginning Obammy smiled and the sun was created...then he spouted some garbage about yes he could..and poof earth...and then on the 3rd day he created oprah..then on the 4th day they created KFC coupons...and people...and on the 5th day they realized they messed up with the coupons underestimating the lengths the sheeple would go to for free chikinz..so on the 6th day they issued rainchecks....7th day he took his shirt off so all creation could gaze upon his nipples..and rested

that’s what I hear they teach...I could be wrong though


34 posted on 05/14/2009 8:53:00 PM PDT by wheresmycheckbarry?
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To: editor-surveyor

>>How are you coming on your assault on the P.E.?

I took it this afternoon and passed with flying colors.

You still bleeding from your ears from the drubbing you keep taking? Must hurt like all get out.


35 posted on 05/14/2009 8:53:29 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: PetroniusMaximus

>>They’ve discovered copulation?

LOL!


36 posted on 05/14/2009 8:54:46 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Did you make a yummy sound?


37 posted on 05/14/2009 8:55:45 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: GodGunsGuts

And so are we. Thanks to Him and His Son.


38 posted on 05/14/2009 8:56:07 PM PDT by AZ .44 MAG (A society that doesn't protect its children doesn't deserve to survive.)
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To: editor-surveyor

Thanks for the ping!


39 posted on 05/14/2009 8:56:40 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Intolerant in NJ
Now when they figure out where the soup came from, they’ll really be on to something......Kroger...Mejiers...
40 posted on 05/14/2009 8:57:00 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass (When you put Democrats in charge, stupid / deadly things happen... :^)
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To: freedumb2003

The stuff you passed with flying colors is still in your panties.


41 posted on 05/14/2009 8:57:32 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: Titus-Maximus
I still do not understand how things can systematically organize themselves to get better.

You're missing a key ingredient. It's not: here are some cells, everything is hunky dory, and -- *POOF* -- there's ONE mutation which is exactly right, and things improve.

It's "here's a LOT of cells. Some copy exactly, some don't. Many of the cells which copy exactly die anyway. Many which don't copy exactly die anyway, or because of the miscopy. It's on the rare occasion that the miscopy provides a benefit, that the inheritor of the miscopy survives. It's a statistical process, and so a lot of the effort is wasted down blind alleys.

Cheers!

42 posted on 05/14/2009 8:58:00 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: HereInTheHeartland
Sure guys, but later on He went to his greenhouse to get starts for the garden He planted in Eden.

Right?

Now, where's that greenhouse?

43 posted on 05/14/2009 8:58:45 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: freedumb2003
I know we did the "dump in bucket and get Apple Computer" out of it in under 500 million years.

That's why I can go to the Mac store and buy one!

44 posted on 05/14/2009 9:01:29 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: AngieGal
The more they find out about the complexity of life, the more they can't explain it without the Creator.

From the article: "Now a paper published in the British journal Nature by University of Manchester chemists, led by Professor John Sutherland, ventures that an RNA-like synthesis took place through a series of chemical reactions and an important intermediate substance."

You seem to be correct.

45 posted on 05/14/2009 9:02:01 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The Last Boy Scout)
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To: editor-surveyor

>>The stuff you passed with flying colors is still in your panties.

Hey, believe me or not. You asked, I answered. Easy as can be.

Still pretending you understand the big words? because many of us get a big kick out of it.

You are so cute I could just *pinch* *your* *little* *cheeks*

*does the little boy want to sit with the grown ups?* *does he wuz he?*

You is sooo cute.


46 posted on 05/14/2009 9:02:05 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: AngieGal
The last primordial soup didn't work. This one won't either. The more they find out about the complexity of life, the more they can't explain it without the Creator.

But thank *God* there are lots of people with the curiosity to try to figure out how it all works. Without them we wouldn't have science or even basic medicine. Those advancements sure didn't come from the type of attitudes many on this thread are so proud of. :~)

47 posted on 05/14/2009 9:02:23 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HereInTheHeartland

Heaven is singular in Gen 1:1


48 posted on 05/14/2009 9:03:22 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: Alamo-Girl

I did my best,A/G.

But when met with no logic and all ad hominem, I decided it is appropriate to use parody to show people how they look to the real world.

You shall always get my straight answers, I promise. And if I joke, it will be straight up.


49 posted on 05/14/2009 9:05:06 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: raygunfan
the fact that they have continually tried the ‘pre biotic’ soup,

Reminds me of a joke.

Scientist says to God, "I can create life. First you take some pre-biotic soup and.."

God says, "Wait a minute. You got to make your own pre-biotic soup".

50 posted on 05/14/2009 9:05:34 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The Last Boy Scout)
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