Skip to comments.[Twoface] Romney joins the Obama bashing [but flip flops on gun control, health care]
Posted on 05/15/2009 4:51:44 PM PDT by rabscuttle385
PHOENIX Former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney joined Bush administration officials, including former Vice President Dick Cheney, in arguing today that President Obamas approach to combating terrorism had left the country less safe.
"It's the very kind of thinking that left America vulnerable to the attacks of September 11th," Romney told the National Rifle Association's annual gathering. And the approval of left-wing law professors and editorial boards wont be worth much if this country lets down its guard and suffers an attack."
Even while declaring an end to past interrogation practices he calls torture, Obama has alienated many in his own party with a cautious approach to the issue. He has rebuffed calls to investigate Bush administration policymakers and release photographs of in that military leaders have said would be unnecessarily provocative. Today, the White House announced it would resume the use of military commissions to try those in American custody, a practice that Obama had criticized as a candidate.
"I'm glad he's continuing to hold military tribunals for terrorists," said Romney, who also said he approved of Obamas hawkish approach to ongoing wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. "In fact, whenever he adopts the policies of John McCain and George W. Bush like this, Im glad."
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Yes he would and rightfully so if he supported the Brady Bill/assault weapons ban. Probably the single biggest reason GHW Bush lost to Clinton was his betrayal of the gun lobby. If his former boss, RR, was out there lobbying for the BB (first time I have ever heard that) that must have added to GHW's defeat.
Whatsa matta, boopsy? Can’t refute any of it?
Oh yeah....right. Spare the phony outrage, as if you're really all broken up these supposed attack on Reagan by Romney followers. As if it would make any difference to you whether any Romney follower had ever even mentioned Reagan or not. If Ronaldus Maximus came down from heaven right in his glory, and proclaimed: "Well, that Romney is all right by me", you'd not be joining Reagan, rather you'd be saying--"Reagan's been stuck in heaven, what does he know?"
Pay attention to all of Romney's words, not just the generic platitudes like this one from his CPAC speech: "We believe in Democracy. We respect the will of the people." (Except when it comes to public and cultural rejection of open homosexuality, eh, Mitt?). Or, "We will have to fight to make sure American stays America." (Except when it comes to the "worldwide solution, not an American one," to "any carbon plan," eh, Mitt?)
Maybe if you actually pay attention to Mitt Romney, you will see that with him "leading" the GOP, conservatives will get 75 or 80 percent of what they oppose.
Reagan's not the guy trying to take over the GOP. Romney is. With Reagan, we'd get that 75 to 80 percent, his position on assault weapons notwithstanding. With Romney, we FORFEIT 75 to 80 percent of conservative principle.
That's why I agree with Jim Robinson when he says, "If Mitt Romney is in, I'm out."
I didn’t know if you realized that it wasn’t part of the title.
Personally I don’t want any candidate from the 2008 primary running for President. If you cannot beat John McCain in the primary, then you should find something else to do. Our Party needs fresh young blood to run for President who we know where they stand on the issues. Time to retire the candidates from the 2008 Republican primary.
It is just as pointless to respond to the spam on these threads, as it is to respond to the spam in your Inbox.
It would be pointless to refute a direct quote of Mitt’s.
What you need to come to terms with is that it’s now 20% we get, even with our folks. At 50%, your guy is implementing the other side’s policy as much as he is your own. I won’t support that. Call me any names you like, denigrate my intelligence. You still won’t get my vote.
And frankly, if you’re too stupid to understand why not, then you’re your own worst enemy.
Couldn’t agree more. Thank you.
It’s kind of an academic argument here at FR. If Romney runs again his supporters will not be allowed to promote him here.
I don’t understand your take that the taxpayers should pay for all the uninsured. That is the current policy and I think it should be changed. Why don’t you?
“If Ronaldus Maximus came down from heaven right in his glory, and proclaimed: “Well, that Romney is all right by me”, you’d not be joining Reagan, rather you’d be saying—”Reagan’s been stuck in heaven, what does he know?”
Not really, I would be posting quotes and video like these.
“And you know what? I’m following in some pretty good footsteps. It’s exactly what Ronald Reagan did. As governor, he was adamantly pro-choice. He became pro-life as he experienced life.”
“I was an independent during the time of Reagan-Bush. I’m not trying to return to Reagan-Bush.”
And, so what is the point of these threads, save to have each poster vie to (re-)post their favorite Romney calumny?
Isn't that going to get really boring?
If Romney fizzles out in the next few years, well then FR will have been proven right. But what if Romney somehow manages to becomes the GOP nominee in 2012? Does FR continue to be a no-go zone for Romney support?
That's hilarious coming from someone who wanted to foist Rudy Giuliani on the party.
James Carville (DNC): "It's a feel-good story, this Romney thing. Romney is an ascendant guy."
Typical Romney falsehood: "I told you what my position was, and what I, what I did as governor; the fact that I received the endorsement of the NRA."
Romney: "Thats not going to make me the hero of the NRA
Boston Herald (1994)
Romney: " I dont line up with the NRA.
Boston Globe, January 14, 2007
More Truth about Romney faking endorsements:
"Behind the empty gestures and deceptive rhetoric, Romney was not pro-life
or a defender of marriage by any stretch of the imagination.
He was a disaster," said O'Gorman, of the board for Massachusetts Citizens for Life.
He said Romney "deceptively" claims to have been awarded
a pro-life award from the group.
"The award Romney arranged for himself with the local Pioneer Valley Chapter
was the Mullins Award for Political Leadership, not a pro-life award
and not approved by MCFL's state board of directors," he said.
"We're blowing the whistle to warn voters "
[Family leaders call Romney 'disaster' - Letter criticizes 'deceptive rhetoric' around candidate]
The RomneyBOTs cannot rebut that Romney was a poor
governor, a dictator, a socialist even before Obama,
and was involved in coverups and backstabbings and
fake endorsements and fake LEO badges.
The RomneyBOTs, like Mitt Romney (an occasional FReeper)
have assented. So they claim he is immune to these
episodes because he is special, and to bring them up
Poor sport spoiler Romney attacks other GOP candidatesn:
"Despite outspending his rivals by huge margins throughout the primaries,
(Mitt Romney, Carpetbagger UT,CA,MA,NH,Mexico) lost Iowa, South Carolina, Florida and California.
The only primaries he won were in Michigan, where Dad was governor; LDS states;
and a few states on Super Tuesday in which his California-obsessed rivals
couldn't spare the cash to advertise.
Only John Connolly in 1968 had a worse cash-to-delegates ratio.
And John McCain rightly did not like Romney's tactics during the primaries.
(W)hen (Romney's early leads) started slipping away, he resorted to unfair,
distorted, scorched-earth negative ads, betting that his opponents couldn't
afford to spend enough for the truth to catch up to his charges."
[Romney: A Mistake for McCain, 7/23/2008, Dick Morris]
I call them like I see them. Rudy was conservative on all issues but social issues. At least he was honest where he stood and didn’t flip flop to suit the audience. You would never see Romneycare out of Rudy.
I have a hard time figuring out why anyone would want someone who ran in 2008 and couldn’t even beat McCain. It is like I am missing a piece of the puzzle. Sometimes I wonder if DemocRAT moles are pushing some of these candidates while pretending to be Conservatives.
That means he isn't conservative, but yes he was no compulsive liar like Romney.
Ignore the Romney bot's focus on the 2008 primary, you aren't still supporting Giuliani for the future but they are still pushing Romney like it is 2007 forever.
That’s what I noticed as well. I don’t want any of the 2008 primary candidates to run for President again and that includes ones I still like. It would be suicide for the GOP.
My favorite going in was George Allen who the RATs took out in the Senate race. I was already on my 2nd choice when the race started.
A continuing education program.
Isn't that going to get really boring?
How will that be a problem? People who are bored won't click on the threads.
But what if Romney somehow manages to becomes the GOP nominee in 2012? Does FR continue to be a no-go zone for Romney support?
I think that was exactly what JimRob had in mind with his thread about it. You would have to ask him if you need clarification on it.
Good post, I like the last part the best.
Thanks. I can’t read JimRob’s mind but I think I understood what he said. :-)
Check these out, then you tell me...
RINOs Surface in California
RINOs Surface in Michigan
Thanks. Couple that with his record in office, the guy is toast.
“heavy fines that hit employers and the self-employed for not knuckling under to the Massachusetts plan, “free choice” is a fantasy and a LIE”
That wasn’t part of the original plan and he vetoed the employer fines when they were proposed by the dims. Not sure if facts matter though. The NRA crowd who welcomed him must obviously be misguided.
Barney with all of the BS that you have tried to spread here at FR since you signed up to promote Romney, you have zero credibility.
Follow the money.
Anyway, I was hoping one of you guys would make that argument that the only reason Romney's Mass health insurance mandate is a failure is because they didn't implement it the way Romney wanted. The minute government presumes to interfere and meddle, punishing with fines and fees and invading all kinds of privacies by trying to take control of personal, business, and private decisions such as health care and insurance and the relationships regarding them between employee, employer, ensurer, and doctor, it is guaranteed that the consequences will be negative and loss of individual freedom, choice, and responsibility will follow.
The only way Romney could have prevented this from happening was to FIGHT THE IMPLEMENTATION OF SUCH A BILL IN THE FIRST PLACE, which would have been the conservative thing to do and would have promoted individual liberty and free enterprise. But Romney was (and still is) arrogant enough to think that he could come up with just the right "conservative" version, and of course it failed because it was oxymoronic to conservatism.
As for the folks at the NRA welcoming Romney (I think in an earlier post you said they welcomed Romney warmly or enthusiastically) -- well, you're the kind of guy who willfully misinterprets Rush Limbaugh and Michael Reagan's very lukewarm words about Romney as "support" and endorsement," so I know that all the NRA folks had to do was for half the folks in the audience to clap politely (the way the audience responded to Mitt's CPAC speech, in fact), and you'd call it a standing ovation.
Do you have the link for the,"Rush voted for Romney"?
I have the link for his claims that Governor Palin campaigned for Romney.
That massresistance is an Obama blog.
That the Romney family did have a male serve the United States in uniform.
Gee, that is convincing evidence, I may rethink my entire position here.
Perenial spoiler, eager carpetbagger, and GOP backstabber Mitt "Lying-Myth" Romney:
"When anyone brings up my poor history as Governor,"
or my failure to allow citizens to vote, or my usurpation of the Massachusetts Constitution
to impose my design for gay marriage and the rest, or my penchant for murderer-freeing judges,
the AIG kickbacks I received, my abuse of my dog, my taking 3 sides on every issue,
or my AIG kickbacks, or my fake endorsements, or my fake LEO badges,
or my BIG-DIG coverup, or my history of socialism by fiat, then
I and my servants and slaves will invoke my religion to protect me from any and all criticism. "
Disgusting as usual isn’t it.
Even more digusting...
He hides it well...
We had it here in OK when Coburn ran in 2004. DC elites wanted Humphreys and shut off Dr. Coburn’s fundraising chances in DC. Lott, Warner, et al did not want Dr. Tom so Toomey from Club for Growth gets some money into the race for Coburn plus the money he was getting from the grassroots. He ran a grassroots campaign through the primary and won outright in a 3-way race and defeated the DemocRAT pretending to be conservative in the general.
Hastert, Speaker of the House at the time, came out and said about three weeks before the election that Dr. Coburn would not win the seat and would lose to the DemocRAT. He basically stiffed the grassroots but we showed Hastert that he didn’t have a clue as Dr. Coburn won big.
These primary and general elections need to be much more grassroots. I have noticed that most conservatives will get behind the primary candidate but moderate to liberals tend to sit on their hands in the general if they lost the primary.
We need a turnaround in some states with the grassroots becoming much more active and not taking it lying down when the powers at be in DC pick a candidate in the primary and openly endorse him like NRSC Chair Cornyn and McConnell have done with Crist. That is flat out wrong!
I don’t want to ever here those two ever say we need any outreach into the Hispanic community because they just undercut the Cuban candidate in FL Marco Rubio who Crist is opposing. Then we have Sen Martinez backing Crist instead of a fellow Cuban. What a backstabbing person. I wouldn’t give you two cents for any of the three.
This is a perfect example of where the grassroots has to take over and support Rubio. A candidate can have a lot more money but if you get an active grassroots campaign, chances are that the grassroots candidate will win the primary.
And I just LOVE your catch on the Romney who served in the military! Now THAT Romney is a true hero, the one in the picture who is very probably not related to Mitt!
Romney is hopeless. His approval of Obama’s Afghan and Pakistan quagmires shows that he doesn’t have a clue.
Thanks for two more examples of the RINO shuffle.
I agree with your comments concerning the grass roots.
We need a lot of this next spring.
And right now, we need to be nailing down good Conservative candidates to run.
Governor Romney has indeed "flip-flopped" on gun control:
ORLANDO, Fla. -- Former governor Mitt Romney, who once described himself as a supporter of strong gun laws, is distancing himself from that rhetoric now as he attempts to court the gun owners who make up a significant force in Republican primary politics.
In his 1994 US Senate run, Romney backed two gun-control measures strongly opposed by the National Rifle Association and other gun-rights groups: the Brady Bill, which imposed a five-day waiting period on gun sales, and a ban on certain assault weapons.
"That's not going to make me the hero of the NRA," Romney told the Boston Herald in 1994.
At another campaign stop that year, he told reporters: "I don't line up with the NRA."
And as the GOP gubernatorial candidate in 2002, Romney lauded the state's strong laws during a debate against Democrat Shannon O'Brien. "We do have tough gun laws in Massachusetts; I support them," he said. "I won't chip away at them; I believe they protect us and provide for our safety."